October 11, 20177 yr Still on track for end of the year (but probably early next year) groundbreaking I heard the same, which is great news. But just knowing what remains to be done, I honestly cannot see a groundbreaking any earlier than April. I feel like a 2017 groundbreaking would be a miracle.
October 12, 20177 yr Commercial Building Permit 1600 EUCLID AVE CLEVELAND OH 44115 Owner: PLAYHOUSE SQUARE 1501 EUCLID AVE. CLEVELAND Oh GILBANE BUILDING COMPANY 950 MAIN AVE. CLEVELAND, OH, 44113 Contact Phone 2167013928 [email protected] Job Value($): $2,680,000.00 COMMERCIAL Nature of Job Description.: Site Development
October 12, 20177 yr be on the lookout for TIF legislation. if construction will start this year, they'll need legislation this year.
November 2, 20177 yr A small step forward -- BZA agenda items for the tower: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2017/crr11-13-2017.pdf No. 17-308: 1600 Euclid Avenue Playhouse Square Foundation, owner, proposes to construct a new 318 unit residential apartment building and a 550 space parking lot in a G5 General Retail Business District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 357.08(b)(2) which states that a 193’ rear yard is required and 0’ proposed. 2. Section 357.09(b)(2)© which states that a 97’ interior side yard is required and no interior side yard is proposed. 3. Section 353.01 which states that 250’ height limit is permitted and a 385.5 foot tall building is proposed. 4. Section 355.04 which states that the maximum gross floor area of the proposed building cannot exceed 1 ½ lot area or in this case 65,500 square feet allowed and 597,321 square feet proposed. (Filed October 10, 2017)
November 13, 20177 yr I heard over the weekend that this project is AHEAD of schedule. What an unusual thing for our city; great to hear nonetheless.
November 13, 20177 yr I heard over the weekend that this project is AHEAD of schedule. What an unusual thing for our city; great to hear nonetheless. A result of their unique financing?
November 13, 20177 yr wow ahead of schedule -- it seems we should see something happening at the site next year!
November 13, 20177 yr I heard over the weekend that this project is AHEAD of schedule. What an unusual thing for our city; great to hear nonetheless. A result of their unique financing? Yeah, they still have some par-for-the-course zoning hurdles to overcome... but the financing is - or at least very much appears to be - well settled and ready to roll. In sum, the money will not be an issue and this project will move as fast as city bureaucracy lets it. In this case, I actually like the City slowing it down a bit to ensure that the street-level space is used properly.
November 13, 20177 yr In sum, the money will not be an issue and this project will move as fast as city bureaucracy lets it. In this case, I actually like the City slowing it down a bit to ensure that the street-level space is used properly. Agreed. Get the street right, that's the most important thing.
November 13, 20177 yr Is it a bit odd to anyone else that there's no official name for this tower yet? They're going to have to start marketing it at some point, and I would've thought they would have settled on a name at the same time as the design. Or maybe they're saving that for a future marketing push?
November 13, 20177 yr ^Haven't you ever seen a play? The big reveal comes at the climax - never during the buildup. Potential names: - Wicked Tower - Breakaleg East - Thespian Villa - Stage Left - Drama Heights - Residences at Globe Theater
November 13, 20177 yr Just call it Ray Shepardson Tower. Time to memorialize this guy who saved Playhouse Square from becoming a large parking lot. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 13, 20177 yr Just call it Ray Shepardson Tower. Time to memorialize this guy who saved Playhouse Square from becoming a large parking lot. I was talking about that this weekend... I went and saw Hamilton in Chicago and MY LORD does their theater district pale in comparison to ours. Not only the locations, but also the decor, seating, facilities, efficiency. It really made me realize I was taking PHS for granted. And compared with some of the major errors of judgment we've had as a city, holding onto Playhouse Square is something to memorialize. You're spot on KJP[/member]
November 13, 20177 yr ^ PS is so amazing as is, but what's really amazing is there's still room for much much more.
November 13, 20177 yr ^ PS is so amazing as is, but what's really amazing is there's still room for much much more. I've always wondered why PHS doesn't partner with CSU and have a world-class theater department, just blocks from each other. CSU could even contribute to the district by building a real theater on campus.
November 13, 20177 yr Like this - http://www.csuohio.edu/class/theatre-dance/csu-shows-tickets I went to CSU. Not sure about right now, but back then the theater department certainly wasn't world-class. There were always collaborations, but PHS should have the power to drop some top-notch faculty and students from around the world. I just think it's untapped potential.
November 13, 20177 yr It seems like a good grant writing exercise in getting a handsomely endowed chair for the department. That'd be good place to start "Endowed Chairs, Professors and Scholars: These named endowments recognize the academic and research excellence of faculty while providing funding to enhance salaries and support research endeavors. They also allow the College to recruit and retain the best and brightest faculty. Endowed Chairs and Professors raise the regional, national and international visibility of CSU." - (csuohio . edu) The department as it stands: https://www.csuohio.edu/class/theatre-dance/faculty-staff
November 14, 20177 yr In keeping with the theme of the chandelier representing the area why not name the tower The Prism.
November 14, 20177 yr In keeping with the theme of the chandelier representing the area why not name the tower The Prism. Sounds too much like Prison. Like, when my mother moved to Cleveland in the 1950s, she lived briefly at the Alcazar Hotel in Cleveland Heights. It wasn't very nice back then, so its residents called it The Alcatraz. It's best not to make it too easy to ridicule a name. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 14, 20177 yr I'd name it play-tower-square... but not really because the name doesn't ring...
November 14, 20177 yr As long as it doesn't have the words "The Residences at..." in the name I'm fine with whatever.
November 14, 20177 yr If it were up to me I wouldn't have named the new Parmatown 'The Shoppes at Parma' we just call it the shoppes...
November 14, 20177 yr If it were up to me I wouldn't have named the new Parmatown 'The Shoppes at Parma' we just call it the shoppes... I call it Parmatown, lol. Also, congrats on your 69th post #nice
November 15, 20177 yr Another small step forward: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/11172017/index.php ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS Ordinance No. 1304-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Authorizing the Director of Capital Projects to issue a permit to the Playhouse Square Foundation to encroach into the public rights-of-way of Euclid Avenue, East 17th Street, and Brownell Court by installing, using, and maintaining an entry canopy, apartment balconies, a building overhang at the northeast corner, and an earth retention system with tiebacks.
November 16, 20177 yr All the steps it takes to just build a canopy, and encroach on the public right of way... Small steps, but yet it is progress...
December 11, 20177 yr Design Review: *Final Design Development Approval 1. Project: DF2017-041: Playhouse Square Residential Tower Project Address: Euclid Avenue & East 17th Street Project Representative: Devon Patterson, Solomon Cordwell Buenz; Brad Soderwall, Hines; Art Falco, Playhouse Square http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/12152017/DRC-2017_12_14.pdf
December 11, 20177 yr ^ I heard this morning that we might very well see a groundbreaking BEFORE May. I really hope this is true. Two cranes in the air Downtown would be refreshing to say the least.
December 11, 20177 yr I'll believe it when I see it. I hate that in the back of my mind this is EXACTLY the thought I have every time I hear good news about the time-frame. I guess it's just the Clevelander in me.
December 11, 20177 yr ^ I'd love to be proven wrong. But from what I understand there is still a bit of a gap in the financing for this deal. This is second hand info from semi-reliable source so take it with a grain of salt.
December 12, 20177 yr Don’t anyone have any information on the stage development of this project? I thought they would have break ground on this project by now.
December 12, 20177 yr Don’t anyone have any information on the stage development of this project? I thought they would have break ground on this project by now. Why did you think that? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20177 yr Early articles stated that they were pushing for a late fall groundbreaking. I'd believe that it just may had been possible.
December 12, 20177 yr In this stagnant, low-rent market, I will be grateful for any new high-rise construction, regardless of when it happens. I'm just overjoyed they found a creative way to move past the development barriers, no matter when it starts. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20177 yr For those of us interested in the street presence of this building.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20177 yr In this stagnant, low-rent market, I will be grateful for any new high-rise construction, regardless of when it happens. I'm just overjoyed they found a creative way to move past the development barriers, no matter when it starts. I strongly agree with you. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
December 12, 20177 yr KJP,, Thanks for the new images......WE HAVE RETAIL!!!!! I can't wait! This tower will be spectacular !
December 12, 20177 yr In this stagnant, low-rent market, I will be grateful for any new high-rise construction, regardless of when it happens. I'm just overjoyed they found a creative way to move past the development barriers, no matter when it starts. In speaking with Columbus developers the average apartment rental price per SF is $2 for new construction, basically the same as Cleveland's. You would probably consider Columbus higher rent though wouldn't you. This downtrodden Cleveland attitude runs from this forum all the way up to banks and developers regardless of how true it is, or how other places that are seemingly growing compare favorably to our situation...
December 13, 20177 yr To piggy back on my comment above, we have landowners here in Cleveland with significant holdings in the central business district that are so afraid of doing anything other than sitting on their surface lots that it's limiting the growth we can actually attain. I am not talking about the Warehouse District parking lots by the way. Think in the areas SE and North of Playhouse Square along Prospect and Chester/Payne respectively. With the size of their holdings the risk is very low and out of pocket cash insignificant, yet due to skepticism and overall malaise of longtime property owners in this market, they're unwilling to make even the slightest efforts to create a more vibrant urban landscape, even when they could be shoveling mounds of cash into their coffers.
December 13, 20177 yr ^That is some great food for thought, seriously. About the renderings - I have a question. Is the "wicked" sign a billboard, or is it a projection seen at night?
December 13, 20177 yr ^That is some great food for thought, seriously. About the renderings - I have a question. Is the "wicked" sign a billboard, or is it a projection seen at night? To me it looks like some kind of lower-resolution LED screen. The daytime renderings show the building exposed, as if you can see through the screen.
December 13, 20177 yr To keep this thread on topic, I responded to w28th[/member] at: https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,24830.0.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 20177 yr ^That is some great food for thought, seriously. About the renderings - I have a question. Is the "wicked" sign a billboard, or is it a projection seen at night? To me it looks like some kind of lower-resolution LED screen. The daytime renderings show the building exposed, as if you can see through the screen. On the plus side, the upper three levels of the garage's Euclid Avenue side will be faced by perforated metal panels designed to evoke theater curtains. At night, Playhouse Square would flood light the metal curtain with images and graphics related to ongoing shows in the district. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/06/early_designs_show_playhouse_s.html
December 13, 20177 yr Retail is great, but it's that Euclid Ave garage entrance that really needs to go. That thing is going to be a serious pedestrian safety disaster.
December 13, 20177 yr Retail is great, but it's that Euclid Ave garage entrance that really needs to go. That thing is going to be a serious pedestrian safety disaster. Not only that, but it can cause quite the log jam. Euclid is only one lane there.
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