^The building with the little tower was the Channel 8 studios, before they moved out to the Shoreway

3 hours ago, bjk said:

^The building with the little tower was the Channel 8 studios, before they moved out to the Shoreway

What year did they move to the shoreway and when was this building torn down.

29 minutes ago, simplythis said:

What year did they move to the shoreway and when was this building torn down.

 

They moved to 5800 South Marginal Road in November 1975. SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WJW_(TV)

 

WJW's previous location was the Esquire Theater, 1630 Euclid Ave. The theater opened in 1928 as The Cinema, later became The Lake theater, closed in May 1951 as The Esquire and converted into the studios for WXEL radio and TV which later became WJW. After WJW moved out, the theater was used as the Center Repertory Theatre until 1980. It sat vacant until it was demolished in the mid-1980s. SOURCE: http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/8163

 

Here is some history written by those who worked there: https://neohiotvmemories.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/bulletin-board-5/copy-of-vlcsnap-41053/

What does all of this have to do with the Lumen project? Please stay on topic!

17 minutes ago, ctown60 said:

What does all of this have to do with the Lumen project? Please stay on topic!

 

Everything that exists and comes next is based on what has come before. I want to know what preceded the Lumen at this site.

From yesterday.

 

Agreed.  High density building like this in Playhouse will do wonders.  The Downtown Cleveland Alliance just published their report showing that occupancy rate is at 92%.  Clearly, the market can handle more buildings. 

Friday 8/30 from the Innerbelt.

Crane jump coming soon...

So how many more floors before they top off ?

They poured the 30th floor yesterday.  so 29 stories complete ..5 stories to go

Love the blue glass, hate the white stripes. The new Hilton is all glass and I haven't read any complaints about it. Feels like the review board thought the glass facade on this one was too monolithic so they slapped some stripes on it. Didn't know what else to do. Cheapens it in my opinion. 

25 minutes ago, cadmen said:

Love the blue glass, hate the white stripes. The new Hilton is all glass and I haven't read any complaints about it. Feels like the review board thought the glass facade on this one was too monolithic so they slapped some stripes on it. Didn't know what else to do. Cheapens it in my opinion. 

I agree...it seems like a negligent afterthought.

4 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

I agree...it seems like a negligent afterthought.

 

The support beams appear to be external on this construction, glass likely would have been covering concrete. I don't know much about skyscraper construction but it appears the white is aligned with the beams. 

Panoramic at the top from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/cxpizl/got_to_watch_the_air_show_practice_runs_at_work/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app 

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Love the blue glass, hate the white stripes. The new Hilton is all glass and I haven't read any complaints about it. Feels like the review board thought the glass facade on this one was too monolithic so they slapped some stripes on it. Didn't know what else to do. Cheapens it in my opinion. 

There are a few on these boards who find the Hilton architecturally unpleasant. I'm not one of them.  Cleveland needs more interesting glass wonders to brighten and enliven the city.

Edited August 31, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

There isn't even a pattern to the lines on the front of the building. If I were to see the building the first time, I know I would be distracted by the lines. Why? Because they don't make any sense and there is no pattern to them....making the building look like a 70's-inspired glass monolith.  

Edited August 31, 20195 yr by jbee1982

3 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

There isn't even a pattern to the lines on the front of the building. If I were to see the building the first time, I know I would be distracted by the lines. Why? Because they don't make any sense and there is no pattern to them....making the building look like a 70's-inspired glass monolith.  

I think the added verticle lines ruin the otherwise pristine look of the building. The original renderings had a classy, clean, pristine appearance.

Just now, Frmr CLEder said:

I think the added verticle lines ruin the otherwise pristine look of the building. The original renderings had a classy, clean, pristine appearance.

 

I don't get who thought adding the lines would add architectural detail to the design. It wouldn't be soo bad if there were maybe four vertical lines on all sides of the building to give it a cohesive look, but no. It's like they were like "hmmm lets put a line here.....here...this place looks ok...oh, and one here. Looks good enough. Resubmit it."

First off, all-glass designs are extremely common in modern architecture. The building would still be cool if it was all-glass, but it would have nothing to differentiate itself from other glass buildings. I prefer the lines.

Secondly, there is a pattern. The lines go 4, 3, 2 and 1. They aren't random.

24 minutes ago, CLE_Millennial said:

First off, all-glass designs are extremely common in modern architecture. The building would still be cool if it was all-glass, but it would have nothing to differentiate itself from other glass buildings. I prefer the lines.

Secondly, there is a pattern. The lines go 4, 3, 2 and 1. They aren't random.

 Where does it go 4,3,2,1? On the original render, yes, but not on what is actually being built.

5 hours ago, kevincle said:

Panoramic at the top from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/cxpizl/got_to_watch_the_air_show_practice_runs_at_work/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app 

 

I don’t think it looks bad. I just hope they put a digital screen/board on the front of the parking garage on Euclid!

29 minutes ago, NR said:

I don’t think it looks bad. I just hope they put a digital screen/board on the front of the parking garage on Euclid!

I think I saw a rendering that had a Wicked advertisement on the garage that I assume to be LED sign that can be changed easily.  It would really lighten up the square for sure!

1 minute ago, shack said:

I think I saw a rendering that had a Wicked advertisement on the garage that I assume to be LED sign that can be changed easily.  It would really lighten up the square for sure!

That would be awesome.  I hope it’s LED and not just a banner/billboard style.  With all the digital/LED signage they’ve been putting up I’d have to imagine this one will be as well. 

14 minutes ago, NR said:

That would be awesome.  I hope it’s LED and not just a banner/billboard style.  With all the digital/LED signage they’ve been putting up I’d have to imagine this one will be as well. 

Heer's the signage that I  was referring to  from the OP  of this thread when it was first announced: https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/playhouse_square_plans_34-stor.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home

 

Have to click on the photos to see it

 

Edited September 1, 20195 yr by shack

15 hours ago, jbee1982 said:

 Where does it go 4,3,2,1? On the original render, yes, but not on what is actually being built.

Good catch. I didn't realize they aren't going by the render. Yeah I have no idea what pattern they're going for now.

If I remember correctly, they said the sign would be projected onto the garage, but don’t quote me

Lumen crane (and the rest of downtown) making an appearance in this CNA FB post! ?

 

 

 

5 hours ago, CLE_Millennial said:

Good catch. I didn't realize they aren't going by the render. Yeah I have no idea what pattern they're going for now.

 

I had caught the 4, 3, 2, 1 pattern in the rendering, and that's why I took that upward looking photo (the last of my batch above), to try and figure out how it was going to match that. It now seems more random, which is disappointing.

 

7 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

 

I had caught the 4, 3, 2, 1 pattern in the rendering, and that's why I took that upward looking photo (the last of my batch above), to try and figure out how it was going to match that. It now seems more random, which is disappointing.

 

Honestly, I just wish that they left the original design alone. I will wait to make my own final decision when the building is complete. Maybe they have something up their sleeves...so there IS that??

 

Got this off the Playhouse Square website. The pattern (from left to right) is 1,2,3,2,"1" but the "1" is where the balconies are...so there technically isn't a "1"

I’ll reserve judgement on the buildings accents until completion.  I guess this is a good problem to have though if this is our debate.  At least the tower portion of the Lumen could rise on Miami Beach or the Vegas Strip and no one would bat an eye.

On 8/31/2019 at 11:37 AM, cadmen said:

Love the blue glass, hate the white stripes. The new Hilton is all glass and I haven't read any complaints about it. Feels like the review board thought the glass facade on this one was too monolithic so they slapped some stripes on it. Didn't know what else to do. Cheapens it in my opinion. 

The pin stripes of the Weston are even worse due to the width ... one of my least favorite buildings. Hopefully the the narrow width won't make it too bad. Seems distracting and unnecessary.

9 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said:

I’ll reserve judgement on the buildings accents until completion.  I guess this is a good problem to have though if this is our debate.  At least the tower portion of the Lumen could rise on Miami Beach or the Vegas Strip and no one would bat an eye.

Sorry, but the "new" design of the Lumen would not be approved to rise in Miami, nor Miami Beach. The original would.

Miami and Vegas are the tackiest places in America.  Why are we looking at them as standards for what we should want here?

10 hours ago, jbee1982 said:

 

Got this off the Playhouse Square website. The pattern (from left to right) is 1,2,3,2,"1" but the "1" is where the balconies are...so there technically isn't a "1"

It appears the stripes are being used to draw attention away from the balconies. Perhaps they would be too prominent without them, judding out the way they do. 

1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Sorry, but the "new" design of the Lumen would not be approved to rise in Miami, nor Miami Beach. The original would.

It doesn't have a 20 story parking garage.....it would never be approved period.

18 hours ago, CbusTransit said:

If I remember correctly, they said the sign would be projected onto the garage, but don’t quote me

You are correct that the signs will be projected onto the front facade of the three upper floors of the garage during the evening.

If I'm remembering correctly, There were people on the Design board who felt that the Hilton "disappears"  at times because of the glass and because it sits alone.  Thats why they asked for something to break that up.  Personally I think it was fine with the original design because all the building around it reflect off of the glass and really help it stand out.  Thankfully white stripes are only on two sides 

1 hour ago, mack34 said:

If I'm remembering correctly, There were people on the Design board who felt that the Hilton "disappears"  at times because of the glass and because it sits alone.  Thats why they asked for something to break that up.  Personally I think it was fine with the original design because all the building around it reflect off of the glass and really help it stand out.  Thankfully white stripes are only on two sides 

To the design approval board: No pink flamingos please!

2 hours ago, mack34 said:

If I'm remembering correctly, There were people on the Design board who felt that the Hilton "disappears"  at times because of the glass and because it sits alone.  Thats why they asked for something to break that up.  Personally I think it was fine with the original design because all the building around it reflect off of the glass and really help it stand out.  Thankfully white stripes are only on two sides 

It wouldn't be soo bad if the white strips where on opposite sides. Unfortunately, they aren't (which doesn't make sense to me, personally). I am disappointed in their lack of judgement this time and expect that they will make better design decisions in the future. 

Edited September 2, 20195 yr by jbee1982

2 hours ago, mack34 said:

There were people on the Design board who felt that the Hilton "disappears"  at times ...

 

I love the way the Hilton 'disappears'; it's a feature not a bug.  Lumen may be able to manage the disappearing act as well except for the white stripes. .

50 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

To the design approval board: No pink flamingos please!

I wonder what Playhouse Square executives and Cleveland Planning Commission are thinking about the design chose right now. 

Edited September 2, 20195 yr by jbee1982
Added for clarification

3 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

I wonder what Playhouse Square executives and Cleveland Planning Commission are thinking about the design chose right now. 

They've ruined what was originally a bright, beautiful, uncluttered, pristine design.

Morning views

That's an impressive angle. The gray skies actually make this angle even more impressive.

At lunch I saw a flatbed delivering new tower crane segments.  Looks like they'll be jumping the crane again soon.

On 9/2/2019 at 10:13 AM, Frmr CLEder said:

They've ruined what was originally a bright, beautiful, uncluttered, pristine design.

 

I'm not shedding any tears over "ruining" the design of an 80's Ray Ban Modernism Revival building.  It's ultimately an empty style.

5 hours ago, X said:

 

I'm not shedding any tears over "ruining" the design of an 80's Ray Ban Modernism Revival building.  It's ultimately an empty style.

The fact that it's even being built is amazing. Better to build something bright and reflective vs another drab brown or beige building. The days of the industrial valley soot and smoke turning all of the downtown buildings black are over. 

Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder