October 24, 20195 yr It seems like several of you are getting some great shots from just outside the urban affairs building. Since my freshmen year at CSU in 2010, I'm amazed at the transformation that has happened along this stretch in just 9 years. Not only have so many impressive historic renovations have happened, but because so much has been restored, beautiful new infill is taking place today. One of my friends from Pennsylvania who started their freshmen year at CSU with me moved to Michgian for grad school, and found their way back to Cleveland getting a job at UH. It's not just all the New Yorkers moving in!
October 24, 20195 yr PlayHouse Square is one of the big reasons among many that I’m very proud to be from Cleveland. Different architectural tastes aside, this tower is going to be worthy of PlayHouse Square’s highly respected reputation. The juxtaposition with the Keith Building, though a striking contrast, works beautifully in a big- city sort of way. The Lumen is going to really take PHS to a higher level. In turn, this great theater district will do the same for the Lumen. The folks at Pleyhouse Square really did this right, from vision to execution. Edited October 24, 20195 yr by CleveFan
October 24, 20195 yr 16 hours ago, CleveFan said: PlayHouse Square is one of the big reasons among many that I’m very proud to be from Cleveland. Different architectural tastes aside, this tower is going to be worthy of PlayHouse Square’s highly respected reputation. The juxtaposition with the Keith Building, though a striking contrast, works beautifully in a big- city sort of way. The Lumen is going to really take PHS to a higher level. In turn, this great theater district will do the same for the Lumen. The folks at Pleyhouse Square really did this right, from vision to execution. This never would happen if the theaters were demolished rather than restored. Smart that they diversified into real estate. Great long term vision that is paying off with huge dividends now.
October 26, 20195 yr Just asking, is the patch work done on the garage? I would like some photos to see how they did that. Actually pretty cool thing structural repair is.
October 26, 20195 yr 59 minutes ago, tastybunns said: Just asking, is the patch work done on the garage? I would like some photos to see how they did that. Actually pretty cool thing structural repair is. It was not as of midday on Wednesday ...
October 28, 20195 yr This thing really make a big impact on the skyline / density of downtown. It’s hard to picture the the city without it already. From every vantage point, it significantly contributes to the view in some way. Take this view, for example. The density and building mass just used to fade away, but now thanks to the Lumen, it looks incredibly beefy and built up as far as you can see looking down Euclid. Stunning. Edited October 28, 20195 yr by urbanetics_
October 28, 20195 yr I totally agree with urbanetics_ ... and one other thing really impresses me about Lumen, now that we see its impact from different angles. Some people fretted that it was going to block views of the Keith Building, one of the city's loveliest structures. But I've found nearly the opposite — Lumen draws the eye toward that portion of downtown from so many angles. I think it helps draw attention to Keith, which was a bit overlooked, given it's outlier from the city core location. So a win-win in my book. ?? Edited October 28, 20195 yr by Paul in Cleveland
October 28, 20195 yr Also if you move slightly to the south from this perspective the Beacon looks really cool since it is slimmer on sides it looks taller than when viewed from the north or south. The two together add some nice height and modernism looking down Euclid.
October 28, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Also if you move slightly to the south from this perspective the Beacon looks really cool since it is slimmer on sides it looks taller than when viewed from the north or south. The two together add some nice height and modernism looking down Euclid. I love getting on 90w from the Innerbelt and seeing the Beacon in my rear view mirror. The almost digital look of it is something I’d expect to see in New York or Chicago (although in one of those cities it would be 2 or 3x taller).
October 28, 20195 yr Now the problem is after Lumen you have absolutely nothing to show a gradual decrease in height other than fenn tower. It just kind of drops off. All thoughts aside, it does paint a really great picture to see an entire corridor lined with multiple highrise buildings.
October 28, 20195 yr Two corridors; Euclid Avenue and East 9th Street Edited October 28, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
October 28, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, urbanetics_ said: This thing really make a big impact on the skyline / density of downtown. It’s hard to picture the the city without it already. From every vantage point, it significantly contributes to the view in some way. Take this view, for example. The density and building mass just used to fade away, but now thanks to the Lumen, it looks incredibly beefy and built up as far as you can see looking down Euclid. Stunning. The Lumen also complements The 9 in terms of height and being on the south side of Euclid. Creates a nice balance that wasn't there before.
October 28, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, tastybunns said: Now the problem is after Lumen you have absolutely nothing to show a gradual decrease in height other than fenn tower. It just kind of drops off. All thoughts aside, it does paint a really great picture to see an entire corridor lined with multiple highrise buildings. Might be a good problem to have. I recall @KJP suggesting downtown Cleveland could accommodate 20 Lumen sized residential buildings over the next 10-15 years. There’s definitely room to build on downtown’s eastern edge.
October 28, 20195 yr Actually, I think it's more like a dozen Lumen towers. But it's a lot. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Actually, I think it's more like a dozen Lumen towers. But it's a lot. Haha yes.. I’ll take it.
October 29, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said: Haha yes.. I’ll take it. Problem is most of these are rental properties which means that if the economy turns south the tenants can quickly give their 30 day notice and leave. With condos the property owner is pretty much stuck there because they can't sell until the economy rebounds again. Cities with more condos are a much more stable market. Here it will be more volatile, at least in the short term, because the general trend is for people to work and live in the city center.
October 29, 20195 yr Aren't most of those downtown apartments at least on annual leases? If so, I hope people aren't able to just give a 30 day notice and leave without any penalties.
October 29, 20195 yr ^If it's an annual lease both parties are married to it unless both parties decide to walk away. After the year is up, if the landlord doesnt give a new lease the previous lease would roll over into a month-to-month. Both landlord and tenant could then give a 30-day notice to leave for any reason if the lease is a month-to-month.
October 29, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, shack said: Problem is most of these are rental properties which means that if the economy turns south the tenants can quickly give their 30 day notice and leave. With condos the property owner is pretty much stuck there because they can't sell until the economy rebounds again. Cities with more condos are a much more stable market. Here it will be more volatile, at least in the short term, because the general trend is for people to work and live in the city center. This makes no sense to me. How can a person with a lease just walk away? this is why there are rental financial guidelines More condos does not mean your more city is more stable. That just mean you have more inventory. Just look at Manhattan and Philly, Miami/S. Florida for example. In Manhattan there are condos that are built with x promises and amenities that are empty. Miami has a glut of condos they built thinking S.American's would buy. As S.American spend their winters in Miami. One near me has converted the majority of units to rentals. Due to over building.
October 29, 20195 yr ^ Agree with this. Living in Miami during the Recession showed me just how unstable the condo market can be. Also, FWIW, you were able to buy out of your 12-month lease at my old downtown Cle apartment as long as you gave them 60 days and paid rent until they filled your space. That said, is there any market stability effect of having both rental and for-sale? Or is the for-sale market simply good from a equity/place-permanence perspective? And finally, to keep this on topic and abruptly changing the subject—did anyone ever hear a) cause of the garage mishap and b) impact on timeline?
October 29, 20195 yr I drove through this area the other day and wasn't able to stop and take pictures, but it looks like they have built some block walls a short distance in on the ground floor of the garage. Maybe 10 feet -- I assume this is going to be the promised street-fronting retail space -- can someone get pictures?
October 29, 20195 yr Took this yesterday but don't know if it shows what you're referring to? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 29, 20195 yr 47 minutes ago, MayDay said: Took this yesterday but don't know if it shows what you're referring to? Well, the lower level of the garage, yes. But that image is too dark to see the depth of the retail space (if that is going to be retail space).
October 29, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, Foraker said: Well, the lower level of the garage, yes. But that image is too dark to see the depth of the retail space (if that is going to be retail space). If I recall correctly there is only going to be 1500 square feet of retail total on the first floor of the garage so it is not going to be very deep.
October 29, 20195 yr On 10/29/2019 at 12:28 PM, Htsguy said: If I recall correctly there is only going to be 1500 square feet of retail total on the first floor of the garage so it is not going to be very deep. Good memory - from the final renderings, it'll be 1900 ft2 initial retail that will be 20' deep, with the option to expand in the future an additional 40ft deep for a 3400 ft2 total / 3400ft2. (Thanks for the correction @jam40jeff.) https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/08/city_wins_compromise_adding_re.html @Foraker Edited November 1, 20195 yr by Boomerang_Brian Added Foraker tag; correction When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
October 29, 20195 yr 34 minutes ago, Foraker said: Well, the lower level of the garage, yes. But that image is too dark to see the depth of the retail space (if that is going to be retail space). clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 29, 20195 yr 18 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Good memory - from the final renderings, it'll be 1900 ft2 initial retail that will be 20' deep, with the option to expand in the future an additional 40ft for a 3400 ft2 total. https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/08/city_wins_compromise_adding_re.html @Foraker I think this has been discussed before but is the parking entrance and exit on Euclid going to be strictly a right turn in and a right turn out?
October 29, 20195 yr 26 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Good memory - from the final renderings, it'll be 1900 ft2 initial retail that will be 20' deep, with the option to expand in the future an additional 40ft for a 3400 ft2 total. https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/08/city_wins_compromise_adding_re.html @Foraker I believe the potential area is 3400sqft by itself, which would bring the total to 5300sqft if it is used. What can fit in a 20ft deep retail space? That seems awfully shallow. Edited October 29, 20195 yr by jam40jeff
October 29, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I think this has been discussed before but is the parking entrance and exit on Euclid going to be strictly a right turn in and a right turn out? It would have to be to eliminate traffic jams but, a little traffic on Euclid might not be a bad thing. It will be like it was back in the day.
October 29, 20195 yr ^ The median on Euclid, plus not wanting to cut off the Heathline lanes, means that right in and right out is the only option. I agree it will be good to add a little traffic. All contributes to the vibrancy. It may also encourage some to think about alternatives to driving. OK, I’m getting silly now... My hovercraft is full of eels
October 29, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, tastybunns said: Looks like they've gotten that gash patched up already! Nope, still there.
October 31, 20195 yr Anyone wanna estimate the population growth along Euclid Avenue the past 10 years, and next year? 1. Euclid Commons (CSU) 2. The Edge 3. Lumen 4. Halle Building 5. Athlon (CAC) 6. The 9 complex 7. 629 Lofts (formerly Rosetta) 8. Euclid Grand (JHB) 9. Beacon 10. May Company 11. Park Building Next up: 1. 925 Building 2. City Club Tower And the 2 hotels we gained since then: 1. Metropolitan 2. The Schofield Total renovations: 1. The Statler 2. Crowne Plaza Hotel (formerly The Wyndham) 3. 5th Street Arcades All on ~EUCLID AVENUE~ Edited October 31, 20195 yr by marty15
October 31, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, marty15 said: Anyone wanna estimate the population growth along Euclid Avenue the past 10 years, and next year? 1. Euclid Commons (CSU) 2. The Edge 3. Lumen 4. Halle Building 5. Athlon (CAC) 6. The 9 complex 7. 629 Lofts (formerly Rosetta) 8. Euclid Grand (JHB) 9. Beacon 10. May Company Next up: 1. 925 Building 2. City Club Tower And that’s just downtown. It’s really impressive when you consider all of the development in UC (especially One University Circle) and MidTown (especially 3101 Euclid - unsure of the est. completion of this though). Edited October 31, 20195 yr by Sapper Daddy
October 31, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Sapper Daddy said: And that’s just downtown. It’s really impressive when you consider all of the development in UC (especially One University Circle) and MidTown (especially 3101 Euclid - unsure of the est. completion of this though). That’s just Euclid Ave downtown! Edited October 31, 20195 yr by marty15
October 31, 20195 yr ^^^If my math is correct, thats almost 2200 apartments.....Plus Hanna, and a few off of US Bank Plaza on Huron......Also Terminal Tower and East 4th apartments....Its awesome
October 31, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, marty15 said: A few short years difference. How bout a true TBT? Here's streetview from 2009
November 1, 20195 yr On 10/31/2019 at 8:54 AM, GISguy said: How bout a true TBT? Here's streetview from 2009 Even that view includes some improvements on the CSU side of the street. Progress is frustratingly slow, but Cleveland and PS are really looking good!
November 2, 20195 yr On 11/1/2019 at 9:49 AM, Foraker said: Even that view includes some improvements on the CSU side of the street. Progress is frustratingly slow, but Cleveland and PS are really looking good! Well as I've stated before, transformative development is a marathon, not a sprint.
November 7, 20195 yr Lumen Damage Nearly Repaired, Project On Schedule For Next Summer https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/lumen-damage-nearly-repaired-project-on-schedule-for-next-summer When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
November 7, 20195 yr On 11/2/2019 at 1:34 PM, MyTwoSense said: Well as I've stated before, transformative development is a marathon, not a sprint. I concur. Slow but steady growth is more sustainable in the long run.
November 7, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Lumen Damage Nearly Repaired, Project On Schedule For Next Summer https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/lumen-damage-nearly-repaired-project-on-schedule-for-next-summer i was just wondering about this -- thanks.
November 8, 20195 yr Great photo, MayDay! The Lumen really is a beautiful building- even at this early stage. Thanks
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