To be named Illumen- not sure on spelling.

 

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - The Ohio Theatre George Gund Foundation will be hosting a groundbreaking event for a new apartment tower on Thursday, April 5 called The Lumen at Playhouse Square.

 

There is an event at 4 p.m. in the Ohio Theatre Gund Foundation lobby. Then, weather permitting, leaders will move to the construction site.

 

The building has not yet been publicly named, but is expected to be a 34-story glass tower that will change not only the look of Playhouse Square, but will also add to the city's skyline.

 

http://m.cleveland19.com/story/37884686/groundbreaking-set-for-new-high-rise-apartment-building-in-playhouse-square

Its called "The Lumen"  as in theater lighting.....

^Thanks, was in the back of the lobby so couldn't quite hear it when they announced it:

 

 

 

To be named Illumen- not sure on spelling.

 

Sounds like illuminati.  It must be part of the deep state.

 

No, that's the one in the big city in the other corner of the state.  This is the Illumineveland.

Fun to read this as I ride Acela from Boston to Washington today and see multiple cranes in the sky of every city I pass through. Happy to see this activity in Cleveland.

Ground broken for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, billed as largest downtown residential project in 40 years

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Groundbreaking was held Thursday for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, a 34-story, 318-unit apartment building.

 

This Playhouse Square rising star is expected to make its grand entrance in the summer of 2020, according to officials for the nation's second largest performing arts center after Broadway. The 602,000-square-foot apartment building, which will stand 396 feet, is the focal point of the what Playhouse Square officials say is the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in 40 years.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/ground_broken_for_the_lumen_at.html#incart_target2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_

Ground broken for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, billed as largest downtown residential project in 40 years

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Groundbreaking was held Thursday for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, a 34-story, 318-unit apartment building.

 

This Playhouse Square rising star is expected to make its grand entrance in the summer of 2020, according to officials for the nation's second largest performing arts center after Broadway. The 602,000-square-foot apartment building, which will stand 396 feet, is the focal point of the what Playhouse Square officials say is the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in 40 years.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/ground_broken_for_the_lumen_at.html#incart_target2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_

Jump it up 4 feet, why not?

 

Lumen, Beacon...  Lighting seems to be a common theme

Light of a new Cleveland Era?

Oh lord. LOL!

I don't care for the name to be honest, but I'm still looking forward to living there!

Ground broken for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, billed as largest downtown residential project in 40 years

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Groundbreaking was held Thursday for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, a 34-story, 318-unit apartment building.

 

This Playhouse Square rising star is expected to make its grand entrance in the summer of 2020, according to officials for the nation's second largest performing arts center after Broadway. The 602,000-square-foot apartment building, which will stand 396 feet, is the focal point of the what Playhouse Square officials say is the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in 40 years.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/ground_broken_for_the_lumen_at.html#incart_target2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_

Jump it up 4 feet, why not?

 

 

Awesome development for Cleveland, 400' is a good sized tower to boot!!!

Lumen is going to frame the Eastern Edge of our skyline nicely.

I like Lumen. They actually did something different/unique/creative/symbolic. As opposed to "The Residences at Playhouse Square" or something like that.

The site before all hell brakes loose this next week.

fg that is an awesome memorial pic to bid good riddance to that parking lot!

Pulling up the pavement for the new Lumen apartment tower in downtown Cleveland. Nice to see another crane downtown too, to join with the one for the Beacon apartment tower 12 blocks west on Euclid Ave. It's a small crane for now, but a crane nonetheless. :)

 

 

 

luminous!

They already have some sheet piling on site:

 

Between this, the Beacon, and former Athletic Club Euclid Ave. is the place to be!!!

Between this, the Beacon, and former Athletic Club Euclid Ave. is the place to be!!!

 

 

About time!!!  A good part of this stretch of Euclid has been vacant for way too long!!!

^ JHB needs to be next. And it can't be apartments.

^ JHB needs to be next. And it can't be apartments.

 

What do you suggest? Office? Condos?

I'll take all the apartments we can get

I'll take all the apartments we can get

 

And then when we face an inevitable recession, there will be minimum equity downtown, thereby eliminating the motivation for retail to have any sizable presence and causing massive vacancy and loss to landlords.

 

WE. NEED. CONDOS. DOWNTOWN.

 

But offices would do just fine.

I'll take all the apartments we can get

 

And then when we face an inevitable recession, there will be minimum equity downtown, thereby eliminating the motivation for retail to have any sizable presence and causing massive vacancy and loss to landlords.

 

WE. NEED. CONDOS. DOWNTOWN.

 

But offices would do just fine.

 

You cannot force something that the market will not bare. Everybody wants condos but until developers are able to get the funding to do it it will not happen. I want a building with actual stuff in it instead of vacancy. If that’s more apartments, so be it.

I'll take all the apartments we can get

 

And then when we face an inevitable recession, there will be minimum equity downtown, thereby eliminating the motivation for retail to have any sizable presence and causing massive vacancy and loss to landlords.

 

WE. NEED. CONDOS. DOWNTOWN.

 

But offices would do just fine.

 

You cannot force something that the market will not bare. Everybody wants condos but until developers are able to get the funding to do it it will not happen. I want a building with actual stuff in it instead of vacancy. If that’s more apartments, so be it.

 

That and the seven years of waiting developers/owners of Historic Tax Credit Projects on the first of this new breed of downtown residential conversions is over halfway over. That means the owners of those buildings could offer the units as condos if they wanted to... in a few more years. But that is about the same amount of time it would take to build new/renovate buildings for condos.

^I'm not certain I follow the point you're making. Not at all being rude, I'm just not certain which way the comment is supposed to lead me

I'll take all the apartments we can get

 

And then when we face an inevitable recession, there will be minimum equity downtown, thereby eliminating the motivation for retail to have any sizable presence and causing massive vacancy and loss to landlords.

 

WE. NEED. CONDOS. DOWNTOWN.

 

But offices would do just fine.

 

You cannot force something that the market will not bare. Everybody wants condos but until developers are able to get the funding to do it it will not happen. I want a building with actual stuff in it instead of vacancy. If that’s more apartments, so be it.

 

There could be other, non-market reasons that we don't have condos though. Specifically, legal headaches, liability related to condos vs apartments drive up the cost artificially, developers don't want to mess with it, and hence, condo shortage.

^I'm not certain I follow the point you're making. Not at all being rude, I'm just not certain which way the comment is supposed to lead me

 

What mu2010 said. There are developers of some of the apartment projects we've had come online in the last 3-5 years that would go Condo, but since the project was built with partial funding using Historic tax credits they aren't allowed to alter the exterior of the building in a way that would take away from the historic nature of the building, OR sell units in the building as condos, until seven years after the project opens.

 

After that period the owners of the buildings can do what they want.

 

Most of the new apartment conversions we've had are less than seven years old. 668 is probably the oldest, maybe that building right on Public Square and Ontario across from the casino.

Most of the new apartment conversions we've had are less than seven years old. 668 is probably the oldest, maybe that building right on Public Square and Ontario across from the casino.

 

The Park Building http://theparkbuilding.com/ was started as condos. I toured it when the building was still under renovation and wrote an article about it for Sun in about 2006 or 07. I remembered being amazed that they were selling at $200,000+ (now that's a bargain!) -- of course that was before the recession and sales stopped cold and people couldn't get credit. So they added the rental angle to get the rest of the building occupied.

 

Unless you're referring to the The Lofts at Southworth which are still too new for a conversion from rentals to condos.

Most of the new apartment conversions we've had are less than seven years old. 668 is probably the oldest, maybe that building right on Public Square and Ontario across from the casino.

 

The Park Building http://theparkbuilding.com/ was started as condos. I toured it when the building was still under renovation and wrote an article about it for Sun in about 2006 or 07. I remembered being amazed that they were selling at $200,000+ (now that's a bargain!) -- of course that was before the recession and sales stopped cold and people couldn't get credit. So they added the rental angle to get the rest of the building occupied.

 

Unless you're referring to the The Lofts at Southworth which are still too new for a conversion from rentals to condos.

 

I was going to say The Park, but wasn't sure. That's the building I was describing. It opened back in 2007 I believe. It's kind of hard to believe I've been on this site posting about projects that have now happened over 10 years ago! You guys are getting old!

I was going to say The Park, but wasn't sure. That's the building I was describing. It opened back in 2007 I believe. It's kind of hard to believe I've been on this site posting about projects that have now happened over 10 years ago! You guys are getting old!

 

Um, mirror.... ;)

 

 

I saw this construction timing video yesterday on the Playhouse Square district Instagram account.  Interesting to see the crane appear in September.  I've been really hoping it shows up before the one at the Beacon comes down so I can get pictures with both in the sky at the same time.  At the current rate, I figure the Beacon will top out sometime in June.  Anyone know how long they need the crane after that for exterior cladding, etc., other than the structural steel?

Very interesting video and timeline.  It looks like it will be topped out in January 2020.

 

The Beacon seems to be going up at about 3 floors a month, so I don't think it will be topped out until August or September unless the construction is somehow speeded up.  There could be two cranes for a short period of time.

Cool video. Sadly it shows no real activity until August.

Cool video. Sadly it shows no real activity until August.

 

No vertical activity. But I'm sure lots of work will be happening below grade.

No vertical activity. But I'm sure lots of work will be happening below grade.

 

I'm just going off the video where the excavators show up in July.

 

(I realize using an Instragram video to judge construction activity is kind of silly.:P)

They were already pile driving this past Tuesday, unless they were sampling... I think we will have the majority of the foundations up before the beginning of June. Certainly an abrupt project.

They were already pile driving this past Tuesday, unless they were sampling... I think we will have the majority of the foundations up before the beginning of June. Certainly an abrupt project.

 

They're probably pile driving the shoring they'll need to dig the foundation pit to start the foundations. Without the shoring the ground/foundations under Euclid, East 17th, The Hanna Building and the alley to the south would all cave in.

 

Once the shoring is in, they will excavate the pit and start driving the piers that will hold the tower. We did a study on the soils there, and much like all the other taller towers in Cleveland this one I do believe needs to have foundations on bedrock.

 

 

They're probably pile driving the shoring they'll need to dig the foundation pit to start the foundations. Without the shoring the ground/foundations under Euclid, East 17th, The Hanna Building and the alley to the south would all cave in.

 

Once the shoring is in, they will excavate the pit and start driving the piers that will hold the tower. We did a study on the soils there, and much like all the other taller towers in Cleveland this one I do believe needs to have foundations on bedrock.

 

No fair adding actual expertise into this discussion!

^I'm not one that knows the process, so please excuse my ignorance... but I've read over the years about the "floating- pad" technique.  Would that be used instead of driving all the way down to the bedrock?  I would think that driving down to the bedrock would increase the cost of the building. 

^I'm not one that knows the process, so please excuse my ignorance... but I've read over the years about the "floating- pad" technique.  Would that be used instead of driving all the way down to the bedrock?  I would think that driving down to the bedrock would increase the cost of the building.

 

I think there are height limits to the floating pad technique.

I thought this building fit under that height limit, which I believe is right around 400 feet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)

 

Why risk it?  This one is 645 feet and it sounds like they used a hybrid approach but did not anchor to bedrock.

^I'm not one that knows the process, so please excuse my ignorance... but I've read over the years about the "floating- pad" technique.  Would that be used instead of driving all the way down to the bedrock?  I would think that driving down to the bedrock would increase the cost of the building. 

They are using a pad/matt foudnation for this, but they also opted to have 9 caissons drilled to bedrock beneath the pad.  That was an option as a pad probably could have been sufficient.  That said, I'm sure they could have thickened the pad some to take out the caissons too.

 

As far as a crane, the schedule shows assembly of that to start in September. 

The limitation is more a function of weight, then height. Residential buildings typically have more floors for a given height and concrete is heavier than steel construction. The Hilton for example was built with caissons and it's about 20 feet shorter than this is proposed to be.

Does anyone have an idea how deep bedrock generally is downtown? Or specifically in that area of downtown?

Does anyone have an idea how deep bedrock generally is downtown? Or specifically in that area of downtown?

 

A google search shows 200 feet.

IDK if I remember correctly but isn't Cleveland's bedrock pretty "shallow" as in it's relatively close to the street surface compared to other cities?