August 19, 20213 yr Just noticed the following https://www.jmtarchitecture.com/2021/08/05/new-city-of-cleveland-police-headquarters/ I think I like this update. Edited August 19, 20213 yr by TR
August 19, 20213 yr 36 minutes ago, TR said: Just noticed the following https://www.jmtarchitecture.com/2021/08/05/new-city-of-cleveland-police-headquarters/ I think I like this update. wow i like it a lot. its pretty zippy looking for a city building. i see its 170k sqft. for a comparison just yesterday we walked by the newish los angeles police hq on a visit out there and i took a pic while we were on the way to the little tokyo neighborhood — it was built in 2009 i think and is 490k sqft:
August 19, 20213 yr Just noticed the following https://www.jmtarchitecture.com/2021/08/05/new-city-of-cleveland-police-headquarters/ I think I like this update. Looking at the original proposal it looks pretty similar except shorter and they got rid of the steel beam look in the front. Still an improvement. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
August 19, 20213 yr The glassy front section of the new version reminds me more of a performing arts center than a police station - and dominates the more institutional looking gray office section behind it. There is a feeling of openness created by the front section. Hopefully, that’s meant to be symbolic!
August 19, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, CleveFan said: There is a feeling of openness created by the front section. Hopefully, that’s meant to be symbolic! Well said. Even the pretty good looking LA example that mrnyc posted looks defensive.
August 20, 20213 yr On 8/18/2021 at 10:05 PM, TR said: Just noticed the following https://www.jmtarchitecture.com/2021/08/05/new-city-of-cleveland-police-headquarters/ I think I like this update. Also from their website:
August 20, 20213 yr I have posted about this before but to repeat...too much landscaping...not as a design element but for a city of Cleveland building. The city has proven time and time again that it cannot maintain the landscaping around city facilities, especially those in the neighborhoods.
August 20, 20213 yr 29 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Wow that's a lot of parking. They have a lot of police cars :) That's not public parking.
August 20, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, seicer said: They have a lot of police cars :) That's not public parking. Would be nice to see them parked in a well done garage. Even better, underground. I know.... but I can dream.
August 20, 20213 yr 17 minutes ago, seicer said: They have a lot of police cars :) That's not public parking. It's more so because it's exposed instead of hidden by the building or in a garage.
August 20, 20213 yr 38 minutes ago, seicer said: They have a lot of police cars :) That's not public parking. I think it's employee parking. They have a couple hundred employees, many of them civilians. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr The facade facing the Opportunity Corridor is hugely uninviting. I don't know why they oriented the building toward 79th. There is way too much parking fronting both streets, and probably too much in general. This is just sad: Edited August 20, 20213 yr by Mendo
August 20, 20213 yr I'm a little surprised they didn't orient the front of the building to the boulevard instead of the side street.
August 20, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, X said: I'm a little surprised they didn't orient the front of the building to the boulevard instead of the side street. Perhaps they figure traffic flow to/from the facility would be better with the main entrance on E 75th. Edited August 20, 20213 yr by LibertyBlvd
August 20, 20213 yr 31 minutes ago, bjk said: How does this orientation fit in with the Rapid station? Also my thinking - if they implement @KJP’s proposal for a connector to the rapid station along the rail right of way, having the building facing E75th will make it more inviting to use the rapid to get there. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 20, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, bjk said: How does this orientation fit in with the Rapid station? A very quick map (CORRECTED) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr Wait, this is on the southeast corner? I thought it was on the northwest corner. You can see what looks like rail RoW in the background of the one render and the back of the parking lot is angled, which I assumed was because it followed the rail RoW. Am I missing something @KJP? When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 20, 20213 yr @Boomerang_Brian You're right. It's on the NW corner. Map is corrected. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr 4 hours ago, Htsguy said: I have posted about this before but to repeat...too much landscaping...not as a design element but for a city of Cleveland building. The city has proven time and time again that it cannot maintain the landscaping around city facilities, especially those in the neighborhoods. Well, it is just a rendering. The artist might have gone a little overboard with the greenery. I assume there will be some fencing around the perimeter of the parking lot as well as security gates.
August 20, 20213 yr 52 minutes ago, KJP said: @Boomerang_Brian You're right. It's on the NW corner. Map is corrected. I looked around and couldn’t find your post with the proposal for a walkway along the RR RoW from the Red Line station to 75th. I thought that was a great idea and a good way to leverage the Police station investment. Would you please repost? When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 20, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: I looked around and couldn’t find your post with the proposal for a walkway along the RR RoW from the Red Line station to 75th. I thought that was a great idea and a good way to leverage the Police station investment. Would you please repost? I couldn't find it either so I made a new one. It would require GCRTA to get some easements from Orlando Baking Co. -- especially the last few feet to East 75th. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, seicer said: They have a lot of police cars :) That's not public parking. Yes, the city has lots of police cars. That's what happens when attrition exceeds hiring. It also gives them space to park the ones they don't have the time or resources to repair.
August 20, 20213 yr 7 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said: Yes, the city has lots of police cars. That's what happens when attrition exceeds hiring. It also gives them space to park the ones they don't have the time or resources to repair. We really don't have alot of cars at HQ. But if they're smart and do training at HQ. Maybe build a real academy facility the parking lot makes sense.
August 20, 20213 yr On 12/8/2019 at 9:18 AM, KJP said: On 12/12/2019 at 12:17 PM, KJP said: Here's an idea. Look at how much shorter the walk is between the RTA station and the CPD HQ with the addition of the pathway. The hitch is that NS would have to sell the land for it, and the walkway would have to be well-lighted and secure, not dark and lined with thick vegetation. I realize this would be next to the police headquarters, but there's probably more paper pushers there than patrolmen. On 12/12/2019 at 3:43 PM, KJP said: There's no shelter via the existing route, which is "sort of" existing because sections of the sidewalk are gone. EDIT: by the way, the distance via the existing path without a building next to the sidewalks and outside of the RTA station's grounds is 0.27 miles.... So the difference in distance from the middle of the RTA platform to the middle of the block on the west side of East 75th, between the tracks and Grand Avenue: + via the NW corner of East 79th and Grand Avenue is a 0.45-mile or 2,400-foot walk at 2 mph is 13 minutes, 30 seconds + via the proposed new walkway along and above the south side of the RTA Red Line is a 0.25-mile or 1,300-foot walk at 2 mph is 7 minutes, 30 seconds The view looking east along what remains of the sidewalk along the north side of Grand Avenue, looking west from East 79th Street: The view looking north along the west side of East 79th Street, looking north from Grand Avenue: Thanks @LibertyBlvd for finding these posts. Not sure why embedded images above aren't working, so I'm including it here: + via the NW corner of East 79th and Grand Avenue is a 0.45-mile or 2,400-foot walk at 2 mph is 13 minutes, 30 seconds + via the proposed new walkway along and above the south side of the RTA Red Line is a 0.25-mile or 1,300-foot walk at 2 mph is 7 minutes, 30 seconds When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 20, 20213 yr Interestingly, RTA acquired NS's land for the station reconstruction project. So NS is no longer a potential barrier to this walkway. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr I thought I'd do a little article on this. I also did a map of surrounding projects/owners.... FRIDAY, AUGUST 20, 2021 Plans are refined for new Cleveland Police HQ Architects designing the new $108 million Cleveland Police Department (CPD) headquarters have further refined the proposed plans including how the new office building would be placed on the site. The CPD HQ is proposed to be built on 10 acres of city-owned land at the northwest corner of the new Opportunity Corridor Boulevard and East 75th Street. Proposed is a building that would have a significant glassy façade opening up toward East 75th rather than face the Opportunity Corridor. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/08/plans-are-refined-for-new-cleveland.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20213 yr As noted by posters above- the redesign is a very nice upgrade. The head-scratcher is the welcoming, glassy open front of the building won’t be seen by most going by on the Opportunity Corridor. If there’s a good reason why it’s oriented to East 75th Street, somebody explain It please. I’d like to see the HQ rotated to face the Corridor.
August 21, 20213 yr Question of the week is, where are all of these people going to go to pick up breakfast on the way to work, get lunch, or get a dinner or coffee break? By my estimates, between the CPD HQ and the NEO Food Hub across the street, there's at least 1,000 jobs coming to this part of the Opportunity Corridor. That's on top of the hundreds of workers at the Orlando Baking Co. plant and the nearby McTech plant, too. There could be even more in the coming years, depending on how things develop. Perhaps the Orlando Baking Co. could set up a small restaurant/cafe at the southwest or southeast corner of their property? There will hopefully be some ground-floor restaurants/cafes in the UFO district along the west side of East 79th between the Blue/Green station and the OC Blvd. Where would you put a restaurant or café on this map to serve the new CPD HQ et al? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20213 yr 11 hours ago, KJP said: I thought I'd do a little article on this. I also did a map of surrounding projects/owners.... FRIDAY, AUGUST 20, 2021 Plans are refined for new Cleveland Police HQ Architects designing the new $108 million Cleveland Police Department (CPD) headquarters have further refined the proposed plans including how the new office building would be placed on the site. The CPD HQ is proposed to be built on 10 acres of city-owned land at the northwest corner of the new Opportunity Corridor Boulevard and East 75th Street. Proposed is a building that would have a significant glassy façade opening up toward East 75th rather than face the Opportunity Corridor. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/08/plans-are-refined-for-new-cleveland.html @KJPin reference to your last paragraph: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/08/cleveland-planning-commission-approves-plans-for-controversial-construction-institute-in-opportunity-corridor.html
August 23, 20213 yr What a turnaround for the area. I remembered exploring the Van Dorn Iron Works years ago when it was intact and the area around it was a war zone. Abandoned buildings galore, barren streets. It's now become a much easier accessed area that hopefully will be a catalyst for growth in that neighborhood.
October 15, 20213 yr https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/deal-for-new-cpd-hq-derailed-in-2018-continues-to-cost-taxpayers-millions
November 3, 20213 yr Proposed designs released for new Cleveland police headquarters along Opportunity Corridor Eric Heisig - Cleveland.com - Nov. 3, 2021 Design review committee presentation: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21097825/cdphq_dewberry-cleveland-arb-design-review.pdf
December 6, 20213 yr Wonder if Bibb will add some of his world to that class of signage? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20213 yr 8 hours ago, GISguy said: More signs! I was ASSURED by the Cleveland Scene that nothing would ever get built along the OC so this must be fake news ;)
December 6, 20213 yr 35 minutes ago, fuel1411 said: I was ASSURED by the Cleveland Scene that nothing would ever get built along the OC so this must be fake news ;) "This is clearly a result of the corrupted military-industrial complex perpetuating itself in Cuyahoga County." - Cleveland Scene (probably)
December 6, 20213 yr I'm not sure 800 public sector jobs moving from downtown to the Opportunity Corridor is the gotcha you guys are implying it is.
December 7, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Mendo said: I'm not sure 800 public sector jobs moving from downtown to the Opportunity Corridor is the gotcha you guys are implying it is. Nowhere near that many work down at HQ right now. The 700 figure given is a best case scenario if they can get staffing back up and consolidate HQ, Public Safety Central which is in the boonies of downtown, and other areas outside downtown. Even then, with our current staffing today that number is probably closer 400-500, with maybe 350 at downtown HQ.
December 7, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KFM44107 said: Nowhere near that many work down at HQ right now. The 700 figure given is a best case scenario if they can get staffing back up and consolidate HQ, Public Safety Central which is in the boonies of downtown, and other areas outside downtown. Even then, with our current staffing today that number is probably closer 400-500, with maybe 350 at downtown HQ. Okay, fair enough. But if I said the city is consolidating up to 700 jobs from in and near downtown to a new public facility on the OC, not sure that would change my point.
December 7, 20213 yr 13 hours ago, Mendo said: I'm not sure 800 public sector jobs moving from downtown to the Opportunity Corridor is the gotcha you guys are implying it is. I didn't mean it as a "gotcha" it was more just a commentary on Cleveland Scene's perpetual butt-hurtedness... Scene Bot: "Cleveland Clinic was just named the world's best heart hospital; here are 47 reasons why that's not true." "Cleveland wins the 2021 Tourism Award, here's why it's still a bad place to live." "Ohio City adds another restaurant, clearly in an attempt to displace the 2 homeless people that formerly resided in the basement." Anyways - I'm off topic and digress
December 17, 20213 yr The last few weeks have been quite hectic for the Honorable Frank Jackson with several groundbreakings and ribbon cutting ceremonies. https://www.ideastream.org/news/cleveland-breaks-ground-on-its-new-police-headquarters
December 18, 20213 yr ^ good news. i was wondering when this project was getting going. i dont think taking the hq jobs out of downtown to pimpstart this new highway is wise, but its nothing egregious either. cpd does deserve a modern hq instead of barney miller offices — and also to be fair it is more centrally located — so ok.
December 18, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, mrnyc said: ^ good news. i was wondering when this project was getting going. i dont think taking the hq jobs out of downtown to pimpstart this new highway is wise, but its nothing egregious either. cpd does deserve a modern hq instead of barney miller offices — and also to be fair it is more centrally located — so ok. Oh ya. Our water fountains in HQ haven't worked in decades. Lol.
December 18, 20213 yr I assume there will still be some kind of small police station somewhere downtown after the new HQ is completed.
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