12 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

agreed.  For a building that was already in place and needed modifications, it's been a slow moving process.  At least 2 years already by my count.  I would also attribute some of the slowness to the client, City of Cleveland PD.  I'm sure they are slow to make decisions, give approvals, etc.

We thought it was moving fast given the giant task.  But does look like the delivery date has slipped from the original projection of FY25 Q2 to the end of the year:

... full-fledged construction commenced in early 2024, with an anticipated completion date in late 2025.

 

https://turndev.com/future-cleveland-division-of-police-headquarters/

 

On 4/17/2025 at 7:35 AM, KFM44107 said:

Nothing to do with that. The building has unexpected structural issues that needed massive remediation. Hence why the garage is done and the interior has barely started. 

Any insight as to why Turner is nolonger CM and Independence was moved in to run the project?

1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Any insight as to why Turner is nolonger CM and Independence was moved in to run the project?

The developer claims that Turner had completed its portion of the project and Independence is now taking over for its. Can someone help me verify/refute this?

4 hours ago, KJP said:

The developer claims that Turner had completed its portion of the project and Independence is now taking over for its. Can someone help me verify/refute this?

I have no info on the switch.

It is interesting the switch was made. Seems like you would want the same contractor doing the whole thing.

I've seen instances where one company handled the core and shell work while another did the interior fitout, but in the case of the police HQ the core, well more specifically the shell is clearly not completed given the area where the windows new not installed and shoring can be seen on the floors beyond, which is probably the structural issue.

Turner is obviously capable of doing those repairs, so interesting that they brought someone else in to do those repairs and everything else, including work (the windows), that was originally in Turner's scope.

I had preferred they move to the old Plain Dealer building. They would have been in there by now.

@Mov2Ohio Someone out there does. The comment about a different contractor overseeing a different part of the project is damage control.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

@Mov2Ohio Someone out there does. The comment about a different contractor overseeing a different part of the project is damage control.

Yeah, this makes way way way more sense. You really only see a change of CM for things like criteria documents to construction documents, not usually between phases of work. Something happened for sure, but we'll likely not get the full story. Turner either walked, or were shown the door.