Was this up for bid besides Geis?

 

Did you read the press release or the links?  24 other sites were evaluated....

 

Also, this is not "Geis" as in Geis Construction/Development.  This is separate investment/development team led by Fred Geis, who is no longer part of Geis Construction...  http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2016/10/geis_cos_ownership_shifts_from.html

Was this up for bid besides Geis?

 

Did you read the press release or the links?  24 other sites were evaluated....

 

Also, this is not "Geis" as in Geis Construction/Development.  This is separate investment/development team led by Fred Geis, who is no longer part of Geis Construction...  http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2016/10/geis_cos_ownership_shifts_from.html

 

Exactly. People don't understand that Fred Geis and Hemingway Development are separate from The Geis Companies. Geis Construction does a lot of work for Hemingway, but is separate. And as mentioned above, Hemingway's offices are on East 61st street in Cleveland. Outside of this, what other deals has the city handed to Hemingway?

 

Sounds like a logical move. I knew all the discussion of a new skyscraper to house the police department was little more than a pipe dream fantasy.

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Well this should help clear up confusion when people say go over to the PD.  That certainly confused me in the movie about Danny Green when they kept saying heading over to talk to the PD.

So why didn't the city just buy the building outright instead of bringing in Geis as the middleman? I thought the bond issue approved by council earmarked a large sum for the move.

 

Even if they had the money to do it themselves, the City would still be burdened by their own baloney procurement processes for hiring architects, contractors, furniture, technology, etc....  no way.  Doing what they did was the only way to get the deal done

 

Thing is, those baloney procurement processes were implemented by reformers in the Progressive Era to try to curb corruption. Whether or not they've succeeded at that is up for debate, but I would say they have been at least partially successful if you go and read up on the Tammany Hall era. If you got rid of the red tape, the public officials now have the ability to buy whatever they want from whoever they want whenever they want. AKA - reward all their buddies. This is the way it used to be. Not to say that it doesn't happen at all today or that there aren't ways to game the process, but it certainly helps.

 

I think it's a common trope in our society to complain about government corruption and red tape, as if they are the same, but in fact they are opposite. Nobody wants to remember, or people were never educated in the first place, on why the red tape was put into place. All I'm really saying is that everything is a trade-off.

 

The way this building was done is definitely a good way to do it - this way there is only one burdensome procurement process instead of hundreds, but cost savings are still achieved through a competitive bid process between landlords.

Sounds like a logical move. I knew all the discussion of a new skyscraper to house the police department was little more than a pipe dream fantasy.

 

That's why there's a post by you from back then saying so, right?

 

Dreaming is not only allowed here, but welcomed. It's actually fun. Try it.

^ Right here, bud.

 

 

I also fail to see why Cleveland Police would need a 21 story building. LAPD recently built a beautiful new HQ and its only 10 stories, for a city that is more than 10x bigger.

Thanks, bud. Did LA's include parking? CPD's RFP did. Good thing there was building and parking available for CPD.

Was this up for bid besides Geis?

 

Did you read the press release or the links?  24 other sites were evaluated....

 

Also, this is not "Geis" as in Geis Construction/Development.  This is separate investment/development team led by Fred Geis, who is no longer part of Geis Construction...  http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2016/10/geis_cos_ownership_shifts_from.html

 

I did read the article posted on Cleveland.com  and also your reference from an article dated October of 2016.  My question was not about the other possible locations. It was regarding Mayor Jackson's choice as the middleman of  GLP Superior Ltd., led by Fred Geis,  to buy and renovate the property for Cleveland.  The article was not clear Mayor Jackson sought bids from other companies to act as the middleman.  That was my question.

Thanks, bud. Did LA's include parking? CPD's RFP did. Good thing there was building and parking available for CPD.

 

To answer your question KJP, LA's did not require parking, surface parking, at least.  I know because I just drove by LAPD HQ today.  There may be some underground, but I don't think so.

 

I think the choice of the PD building for CPD is a great use for that relatively new space and allows plenty of parking with nothing else having to be torn down and turned into lots.

So this moves out the CPD, what about the County portion of the current Jail/Court/Police Station? 

Thanks, bud. Did LA's include parking? CPD's RFP did. Good thing there was building and parking available for CPD.

 

To answer your question KJP, LA's did not require parking, surface parking, at least.  I know because I just drove by LAPD HQ today.  There may be some underground, but I don't think so.

 

I think the choice of the PD building for CPD is a great use for that relatively new space and allows plenty of parking with nothing else having to be torn down and turned into lots.

 

There are two levels of underground parking at the new HQ building.

Source: I walk by it almost daily and https://www.vanir.com/projects/los-angeles-police-administration-building/

 

Most of the cop car fleet is parked at a garage about 2 blocks south, though.

Thanks, bud. Did LA's include parking? CPD's RFP did. Good thing there was building and parking available for CPD.

 

To answer your question KJP, LA's did not require parking, surface parking, at least.  I know because I just drove by LAPD HQ today.  There may be some underground, but I don't think so.

 

I think the choice of the PD building for CPD is a great use for that relatively new space and allows plenty of parking with nothing else having to be torn down and turned into lots.

 

There are two levels of underground parking at the new HQ building.

Source: I walk by it almost daily and https://www.vanir.com/projects/los-angeles-police-administration-building/

 

Most of the cop car fleet is parked at a garage about 2 blocks south, though.

 

The LA building you keep mentioning is strictly public and administrative space.

Looks like the price for the former Plain Dealer building and garage (future #CLE police HQ) might have come down to roughly $18M, from a reported $19.5M earlier this year.

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2018/07/cleveland_city_council_set_to.html

What will ever become of the current police headquarters?

What will ever become of the current police headquarters?

 

I seem to recall the county is moving some of its offices out of a Weston-owned building on West 3rd to the CPD HQ.

Is this true? If so, what happened?

 

City of Cleveland "No Longer Desires" Cleveland.com's Building at 1801 Superior for Police HQ

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/09/24/city-of-cleveland-no-longer-desires-clevelandcoms-building-at-1801-superior-for-police-hq

Is it possible the City just doesn’t want to pursue the purchase WITH Geis, but still buy the building?

I don't think this is true.  Firstly, the "email" didn't look all that official.  Secondly, I know the guys who is in charge of city building maintenance and they were working on the transformation as of August...unless things have REALLY changed.

Cleveland dot com has the story now as well. With some details.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/cleveland_backs_out_of_deal_to.html#incart_river_index

the cleveland scene motto should be "just be negative"...  they were negative about the blockchain initiative in cleveland...  we do not understand, so obviously it's bad... 

So who are the building's tenants?? Why is it so hard for the reporter who works for the building's owner to get/share that information? Furthermore, why did a PD competitor break the story? If a newspaper has a conflict of interest in reporting a story, then perhaps the newspaper has to decide if it wants to be a real estate company or an information sharing company.

So who are the building's tenants?? Why is it so hard for the reporter who works for the building's owner to get/share that information? Furthermore, why did a PD competitor break the story? If a newspaper has a conflict of interest in reporting a story, then perhaps the newspaper has to decide if it wants to be a real estate company or an information sharing company.

They mentioned the building tenants, CEOGC, YMCA of Greater Cleveland and Cleveland.com

I heard it was YMCA that was mucking it up.

I heard it was YMCA that was mucking it up.

 

This.

But the YMCA already has a location at Erieview. What facilities are at the PD building? Just offices?

 

Considering how much the city was willing to put into this project, wouldn't it roughly equate building a new building?

 

Maybe GBX could build a nice new building for the CPD on one of their many underutilized properties along the north side of Superior in the East 20s?

But the YMCA already has a location at Erieview. What facilities are at the PD building? Just offices?

 

Considering how much the city was willing to put into this project, wouldn't it roughly equate building a new building?

 

Limited locations in the city to accommodate the surface parking needs that the PD has.  A parking structure could work for some of the cars but not for all the trailers, trucks, etc.  Also, the timeline is critical.  County is charging monthly overages as the CPD stays.  This 1801 Superior location really made a lot of sense.  Bizarre that it seems to be falling apart

If you remember correctly, the second highest ranked option for police headquarters was 2001 Payne avenue. Might be an attractive fall-back

If you remember correctly, the second highest ranked option for police headquarters was 2001 Payne avenue. Might be an attractive fall-back

 

Yes please. :)

But the YMCA already has a location at Erieview. What facilities are at the PD building? Just offices?

 

Considering how much the city was willing to put into this project, wouldn't it roughly equate building a new building?

 

 

 

Limited locations in the city to accommodate the surface parking needs that the PD has.  A parking structure could work for some of the cars but not for all the trailers, trucks, etc.  Also, the timeline is critical.  County is charging monthly overages as the CPD stays.  This 1801 Superior location really made a lot of sense.  Bizarre that it seems to be falling apart

 

Putting on my tin-foil conspiracy hat:  Is there a Gilbert property that can accommodate CPD headquarters?

Update. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-city-council-blindsided-after-mayor-s-office-backs-off-new-police-hq-property-purchase

That's really sad.  I feel bad for the police & staff that are stuck in outdated cramped space.  I feel bad for the folks that have been working diligently behind the scenes to pull this together.  It seems shocking they can't get this deal done after making it a priority for the last 18 months....  I hope it's just a smoke screen and they can get it back together quickly

That's really sad.  I feel bad for the police & staff that are stuck in outdated cramped space.  I feel bad for the folks that have been working diligently behind the scenes to pull this together.  It seems shocking they can't get this deal done after making it a priority for the last 18 months....  I hope it's just a smoke screen and they can get it back together quickly

 

Maybe if they didn’t waste tens of millions of dollars on police misconduct a $60 million investment wouldn’t be so risky. I’m not sure why they would want to invest in the police force if they’re going to keep beating and killing people.

 

“ “This was a $60 million project. That’s a lot of dough. A lot of money. [Mayor Frank Jackson’s office] needs to explain this us,” Polensek said. “There might be something very valid but until they tell us at the table, we’re all speculating.” ”

 

Maybe if they didn’t waste tens of millions of dollars on police misconduct a $60 million investment wouldn’t be so risky. I’m not sure why they would want to invest in the police force if they’re going to keep beating and killing people.

 

“ “This was a $60 million project. That’s a lot of dough. A lot of money. [Mayor Frank Jackson’s office] needs to explain this us,” Polensek said. “There might be something very valid but until they tell us at the table, we’re all speculating.” ”

 

 

Unrelated. Insurance pays for one cost. Capital/public works budget pays for the other. Intermingling fund accounts is illegal.

 

This project will move forward. YMCA was the problem. Not the city.

Plain Dealer Building move officially dead. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/city-still-surveying-new-police-hq-locations-as-initial-deal-no-longer-being-considered

Is there a list of the five finalist sites and what their projected costs are?

This story is not getting the public outcry it deserves.  The City is pay $7,845 per day to operate within the existing Justice Center, now owned by the County.  That's $240,000 per month.

 

On top of that, the City already pulled the necessary bonds to do this $60 million deal at the PD location and is paying on that.  

 

So they essentially have a mortgage on a house they haven't moved into and are paying rent at a high rate to a LL.

 

The PD location was selected over the others for a variety of reasons.  It is just a better location.  Having a tenant or two in the way is small potatoes.  Relocate them.  They can probably get better space for same money.

I'm confused about how these long-term tenants managed to sneak up on everybody. 

13 minutes ago, 327 said:

I'm confused about how these long-term tenants managed to sneak up on everybody. 

 

I"m only aware of the YMCA of Greater Cleveland.  Not sure what their lease language contained on being relocated but it's pretty common.  And given the relationship/dependence on the City for funding, I can't fathom why a deal wasn't struck.  It's not like this is some privately owned IT firm or something that had a lot of infrastructure and couldn't afford the downtime of a relocation....

1 minute ago, gottaplan said:

 

I"m only aware of the YMCA of Greater Cleveland.  Not sure what their lease language contained on being relocated but it's pretty common.  And given the relationship/dependence on the City for funding, I can't fathom why a deal wasn't struck.  It's not like this is some privately owned IT firm or something that had a lot of infrastructure and couldn't afford the downtime of a relocation....

Speaking of IT companies, is MCPC still located in that building or is it just YMCA?

MCPC is no longer in the building, they moved to 6001 Euclid. The remaining tenants are Advance Ohio, YMCA, and CEOGC (The Council for Economic Opportunities in Greater Cleveland).

Sounds like the YMCA offices would be a good fit for the Galleria with their brand new flagship facility there. In fact, before the CPD HQ was announced for the PD building, I thought YMCA had already moved their offices to the Galleria.

13 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

Sounds like the YMCA offices would be a good fit for the Galleria with their brand new flagship facility there. In fact, before the CPD HQ was announced for the PD building, I thought YMCA had already moved their offices to the Galleria.

 

That would make a LOT of sense.  And has been suggested by many folks involved in the deal.  They could probably get better space and cheaper rents too

“Mayor Frank Jackson’s administration has never detailed exactly what led to the decision”

 

This all seems weird ?

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/advance-ohio-puts-newspaper-building-sale-again

As promised...my third article in as many days. And all of them pretty major developments! So much is happening!!

 

 

SATURDAY, MAY 4, 2019

Old CPD station? New CPD station

 

Trying to repurpose an existing building in or near downtown Cleveland for the city's new police headquarters was a well-intentioned exercise with a cost-saving goal. Despite it not being fulfilled, the effort may still have a happy ending. The reason is the police department may go back to its old home.

After rejecting two existing buildings downtown, city officials are reportedly interested in locating the new Cleveland Police Department headquarters at the site of the 1937-built Central Police Station, 2001 Payne Ave., according to source who could not speak publicly about the project because he was not authorized to do so.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/old-cpd-station-new-cpd-station.html

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by KJP

^I really hope this happens and has been my preferred option all along. Brings some energy further east in downtown and also repurposes what I think is a beautiful old building. 

 

I'm trying to find out the location but all sources are still mum.