18 minutes ago, musky said:

 

 

Related lol

Wondering if 45 Erieview is a candidate. I believe it has a large underground garage.

Just now, marty15 said:

Wondering if 45 Erieview is a candidate. I believe it has a large underground garage.

 

I'm also wondering if the Frangos-owned lots down by Prospect and East 14th might be a possibility for a new-construction CPD HQ?

Is a new building on city-owned property near the old HQ on Payne, still in the running?

1 minute ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Is a new building on city-owned property near the old HQ on Payne, still in the running?

 

I asked a source about it a few weeks ago and he said no. He didn't know where the new site would be, either. 

I still don;t understand why they backed out of the Plain Dealer Building deal.  That was a great location IMO.

I've heard from a very reputable High placed corporate relocation expert that Atlanta is in the running.

Also Columbus has put in a bid(see failed Amazon proposal)

4 minutes ago, freethink said:

I've heard from a very reputable High placed corporate relocation expert that Atlanta is in the running.

Also Columbus has put in a bid(see failed Amazon proposal)

 

BRILLIANTLY DONE SIR!! ?

10 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I still don;t understand why they backed out of the Plain Dealer Building deal.  That was a great location IMO.

 

There was a PD article, iirc, within the past week or 2, that said there were still several long leases (~2030) in the PD building to other companies that couldn't be broken or same companies/organizations wanted too much $ to break their leases.

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by skorasaurus

9 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I still don;t understand why they backed out of the Plain Dealer Building deal.  That was a great location IMO.

 

Maybe it was a security issue.   Perhaps they want a building that is more fortified.

27 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I asked a source about it a few weeks ago and he said no. He didn't know where the new site would be, either. 

I love the classic design of that building.  It was the HQ when I was a kid.

36 minutes ago, freethink said:

I've heard from a very reputable High placed corporate relocation expert that Atlanta is in the running.

Also Columbus has put in a bid(see failed Amazon proposal)

Sorry you got it all wrong.  Per the rumor in the Cleveland Clinic thread the police department is moving to Ft. Lauderdale and will be next door to the Clinic which is moving its headquarters there.

42 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Sorry you got it all wrong.  Per the rumor in the Cleveland Clinic thread the police department is moving to Ft. Lauderdale and will be next door to the Clinic which is moving its headquarters there.

They're already in Weston (Fort Lauderdale suburb) and recently purchased a health system in Martin County (north of Palm Beach).

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

It will be built on the opportunity corridor at East 79

Just now, CbusTransit said:

It will be built on the opportunity corridor at East 79

 

Interesting.... Hope it will be somewhat vertical rather than all spread-out in 1-2 story buildings with a ton of surface lots.

A “campus” that has multi story buildings

Thanks. Wonder if this also means that this site will be favored by the county for its new consolidated jail facility?

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

Sorry you got it all wrong.  Per the rumor in the Cleveland Clinic thread the police department is moving to Ft. Lauderdale and will be next door to the Clinic which is moving its headquarters there.

 

That last part isn't too far fetched after all.  Stay tuned.

 

10 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Interesting.... Hope it will be somewhat vertical rather than all spread-out in 1-2 story buildings with a ton of surface lots.

And lots of landscaping which the city will fail to maintain similar to the District HQ Building on Chester.

28 minutes ago, CbusTransit said:

It will be built on the opportunity corridor at East 79

 

@KJP's favorite reporter has the scoop:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2019/11/cleveland-looks-to-build-new-police-headquarters-along-opportunity-corridor-in-kinsman-neighborhood.html

 

So will New jail Buildings be part of this campus or will they be somewhere else?

Sounds like a good use of city-owned vacant lots and brownfields on the near east side.  These vacant parcels provide numerous development opportunities as the city rebuilds its housing stock/redevelops those areas that have seen the wrecking ball. 

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

Here's my own meager contribution....

 

 

 

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2019

New CPD HQ to rise on Opportunity Corridor; is new county jail far behind?

 

Starting in 2021, as many as 700 workers and hundreds of visitors will come each day to a newly built Cleveland Police Department (CPD) headquarters. Its location? Where the new $350 million Opportunity Corridor boulevard will soon be intersecting East 75th Street.

 

That location was announced publicly today at a hearing of Cleveland City Council's Safety Committee. Specifically the site will be at East 75th and Grand Avenue, just west of the Orlando Baking Co.

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/11/new-cpd-hq-to-rise-on-opportunity.html

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by KJP

This could be a big boon for Orlando Bakery.  Do they make donuts?   

I was hoping that it would remain downtown. It will take out of downtown

700 workers plus visitors.

 

I'm glad it will not consume the precious parcels in the CBD, leaving them instead for future office and residential development.  Furthermore, the city has an over abundance of vacant east-side parcels that need infill.

 

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

At first I was thinking that this isn't a good use for a new economic development corridor in the city. But as I think about it, perhaps the large police presence there could help with perception issues to help attract businesses investment.

Walking around that area near the red line station is so depressing and empty. I'm happy there at least will be some energy coming back to the area.

The good news is that the city has numerous empty parcels available to reinvent itself. It will however require appropriate strategic  planning.  Its an opportunity.

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 2019

Cleveland remembers, jump-starts the Forgotten Triangle

 

The 1970s weren't kind to America's older cities. The white middle class fled from them, taking their homes and jobs to the suburbs. Left behind were low-income minorities, shuttered factories and stores, hopelessness, drugs and crime.

Cleveland suffered greatly, losing more residents in the 1970s than any other decade. But Cleveland was far from alone.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/11/cleveland-remembers-jump-starts.html

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

Welp, opinions vary. 

12 minutes ago, Pugu said:

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

 

Chicago PD HQ isn't downtown.

2 hours ago, KJP said:

Welp, opinions vary. 

I thought you'd be bigger...

 

1 hour ago, cfdwarrior said:

I thought you'd be bigger...

 

 

Ha! Fooled you!?

I think we might wanna take the "downtown" out of the title.

7 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Ha! Fooled you!?

For those confused...those were quotes from Roadhouse...

 

7 minutes ago, cfdwarrior said:

For those confused...those were quotes from Roadhouse...

 

 

Yes, now I remember!

On 11/15/2019 at 2:22 PM, Pugu said:

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

I mean there are definitely officers who agree with you. They will definitely have to keep some sort of presence downtown. However, what they are trying to create is a headquarters and sprawling state of the art  training center. You unfortunately cannot accomplish that downtown for what I am hoping is obvious reasons. 

 

I'm in the academy right now, and though the instruction is top notch, the facilities are horrendous, and no one from top to bottom will disagree with that. It's no secret. We haven't had working water fountains on our floor for over twenty years. The gym is the mechanical floor and until they put up thin drywall up a few years ago (it still is the temperature of whatever it is outside there) you could literally look outside through cracks in the wall 

 

We have to go off site for building searches, the range, driving instruction, and multiple other things that make planning tough. 

 

A lot of the tech is a decade behind. This new building will give them the chance to bring their training and it's facilities up to the standard it should be and still make sure it's under the watchful eye of leadership. 

 

 

On 11/15/2019 at 2:22 PM, Pugu said:

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

"Belongs Downtown?" 
Are you a disaster management expert; or a traffic engineer; public safety efficiency guru; budget-minded land acquisition genius; - or do you simply want a pretty building where a pretty building ought to be?

From a strategic planning perspective, downtown is not the ideal place to park a bunch of cruisers, or for officers who need to be responsive for residents of the entire city, and it is multiple times more expensive as a place to acquire, construct, and set up shop.
Locating at the nexus of our local interstate system brings better access to the whole town at all times in an area with much less congestion.

Edited November 16, 20195 yr by ExPatClevGuy

Chicago's PD headquarters is 35 blocks south of downtown in Bronzeville, and the city is surviving.

 

And hey, at least the Opportunity Corridor will get a tenant. 

7 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

 

 

7 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

"Belongs Downtown?" 
Are you a disaster management expert; or a traffic engineer; public safety efficiency guru; budget-minded land acquisition genius; - or do you simply want a pretty building where a pretty building ought to be?

From a strategic planning perspective, downtown is not the ideal place to park a bunch of cruisers, or for officers who need to be responsive for residents of the entire city, and it is multiple times more expensive as a place to acquire, construct, and set up shop.
Locating at the nexus of our local interstate system brings better access to the whole town at all times in an area with much less congestion.

 

 

 

I AM a public safety expert, but that's besides the point.  "officers who need to be responsive for residents" do not come out of HQ---except in maybe movies. They come out precincts, and in Cleveland they come out of one of the five (formerly six) districts. But actually zone cars are on the streets ALREADY.  Except in movies where they get a phone call and jump out the station and into a vehicle.  In the Districts is where you need space for cruisers (zone cars in Cleveland). HQ is simply that--HQ. Yes, you need parking, but you do that underground like we do already. Regarding the Academy that does not have to be Downtown---Hiring yes, but the actual training facilities could be anywhere, and as stated elsewhere above, those  at the current HQ in the Justice Center are in bad shape and I agree. Put THAT anywhere else, with places to run (like a track), but OFFICE-based HQ functions belongs Downtown, not in the outer areas. Would you put the Mayor's office out of downtown too?  There are certain basic city functions that belong Downtown plain and simple.  The mayor's office, city council chambers, city hall, police HQ, and other departmental HQs. For secondary functions of city departments, like fire academy, policy academy, library storage space, yes, they could be out of Downtown, but HQs of Depts. belong Downtown---especially police.   And regarding your comment of "the nexus of our local interstate system", I'd say the junction of 71, 77, and 90 is a far better junction than driving 25 blocks to get to one highway entrance at E 55 and I-490.

 

 

 

On 11/15/2019 at 2:22 PM, Pugu said:

What a STUPID location. A police headquarters--for ANY city--belongs in its Downtown.  3rd District was already moved from E20 all the way out past E 36 and now the main HQ is also leaving Downtown.  What $hitty leadership and decision-making this city has.

 

Can you give us tell us why?  City and County services like Government and County office do belong downtown as its a place with the best access via multiple modes of transportation and located in close proximity to other business a person may need to handle while in the area.

 

Police business doesn't need to be downtown to be functional for all citizens. In NYC, 1PP is located in downtown Manhattan, not convenient to the rest of the borough, those in The Bronx or Queens. Dallas police HQ is not located downtown, but about as far away from the core of downtown as the proposed CPD HQ.

 

I think the Sheriff and marshall's offices should move along with the CPD headquarters.

 

^The other extreme is let everyone (or most) work from home as remote workers, like many tech firms do. There is a certain efficiency you get by aggregating workers together, esp where you need real time services--like pulling up a file, going to a police lab for results, dropping off lab samples, etc. That same agglomeration efficiency is not limited to one city department as the city is complex and must work across departments. Hence, for "HQ functions" it should be Downtown so that CPD can work with other city departments to have the operating efficiency.  

 

Regarding this piece, "Police business doesn't need to be downtown to be functional for all citizens".  Actually, a central location IS better than one on one part of town.  But again, we're ignoring the Districts.  When "citizens" need to go to the police PLACE and give a statement---its at their [kindof] local distrct and not at HQ. Most citizens don't need to go to Police HQ ever. and when they do, it should be centrally located for easy access from people from the west side as well as the east side.  Getting Downtown has pretty good transit access. People should have good access to the police HQ. THEY WONT AT  E. 75 St. try getting there in a reasonable time from West Park or even Mount Pleasant or Collinwood.

22 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^The other extreme is let everyone (or most) work from home as remote workers, like many tech firms do. There is a certain efficiency you get by aggregating workers together, esp where you need real time services--like pulling up a file, going to a police lab for results, dropping off lab samples, etc. That same agglomeration efficiency is not limited to one city department as the city is complex and must work across departments. Hence, for "HQ functions" it should be Downtown so that CPD can work with other city departments to have the operating efficiency.  

 

Regarding this piece, "Police business doesn't need to be downtown to be functional for all citizens".  Actually, a central location IS better than one on one part of town.  But again, we're ignoring the Districts.  When "citizens" need to go to the police PLACE and give a statement---its at their [kindof] local distrct and not at HQ. Most citizens don't need to go to Police HQ ever. and when they do, it should be centrally located for easy access from people from the west side as well as the east side.  Getting Downtown has pretty good transit access. People should have good access to the police HQ. THEY WONT AT  E. 75 St. try getting there in a reasonable time from West Park or even Mount Pleasant or Collinwood.

Well that's the point of putting it on the OC right? Currently, yes, you are 100% right. But the OC will make it a lot quicker to get there from all those places. It may take a bit longer from Collinwood though, since currently you can take 90 right down to West 3rd.

3 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Well that's the point of putting it on the OC right? Currently, yes, you are 100% right. But the OC will make it a lot quicker to get there from all those places. It may take a bit longer from Collinwood though, since currently you can take 90 right down to West 3rd.

 

I'm talking via transit in response to when people have to go to police HQ for something and that it should be easily located for citizens. E75 is not easy to get to even from most places on the east side. From Collinwood, it would probably take 3 buses/trains. At the horrible service levels of say, every 30 minutes, plus actual transport time, it could be a two-hour one way trip. But getting Downtown is a one-seat ride from almost anywhere in the city.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

I'm talking via transit in response to when people have to go to police HQ for something and that it should be easily located for citizens. E75 is not easy to get to even from most places on the east side. From Collinwood, it would probably take 3 buses/trains. At the horrible service levels of say, every 30 minutes, plus actual transport time, it could be a two-hour one way trip. But getting Downtown is a one-seat ride from almost anywhere in the city.

 

OK, then let's extend the Red Line to Euclid via Collinwood like RTA planned. ? 

So this location is just the mayor's recommendation.  It is not necessarily a done deal is it?

Edited November 19, 20195 yr by skiwest

17 minutes ago, skiwest said:

So this location is the just mayor's recommendation.  It is not necessarily a done deal is it?

Council has to sign off, but they’ve been Frank’s rubber stamp for a while now.