March 25, 20223 yr Luxury car biz may park at Great Northern Mall By Ken Prendergast / March 25, 2022 A Canadian luxury auto dealer hopes to consolidate its local dealerships, service center, Ohio offices and hundreds of jobs at a new $60 million development at Great Northern Mall in North Olmsted. While there’s still a few steps to go through before the project is a reality, the dealer has already acquired the property in this western Cleveland suburb necessary to carry it out, according to public records and sources familiar with the project. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/25/luxury-car-biz-may-park-at-great-northern-mall/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20223 yr Luxury car biz may park at Great Northern Mall By Ken Prendergast / March 25, 2022 A Canadian luxury auto dealer hopes to consolidate its local dealerships, service center, Ohio offices and hundreds of jobs at a new $60 million development at Great Northern Mall in North Olmsted. While there’s still a few steps to go through before the project is a reality, the dealer has already acquired the property in this western Cleveland suburb necessary to carry it out, according to public records and sources familiar with the project. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/25/luxury-car-biz-may-park-at-great-northern-mall/Spoke to someone working at Porsche, their plan is to be moved in 3 years from now. They also mentioned demolition I didn’t clarify if they meant their old location or the old sears.
May 18, 20223 yr DEMOLITION DERBY: The decrepit structures at Geauga Lake are coming down to make way for a mixed-use district Home to the world's largest amusement park less than two decades ago, Geauga Lake is now a demolition landscape of dirt and machines as developers work to remove the last remnants of rides and attractions from the property to prepare for the creation of The Geauga Lake District. "I think everyone is excited to see the dirt flying out there," said Jeff Martin, vice president of development at developer Industrial Commercial Properties. The Geauga Lake District is planned to be a mixed-use development with offices, restaurants, entertainment, apartments and retail shopping. But before that vision can become reality, the developer has some excavating to do and is now being considered for a state grant to help with this stage of the project. Earlier this year, Geauga County's Board of Commissioners sought $4.1 million in grants from Ohio's Building Demolition and Site Revitalization Program to help ICP complete the project. Full article below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2022/05/18/geauga-lake-developers-state-cgrants.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 18, 20223 yr My eyes are burning!!! NOooooo "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20223 yr Local news overview of Geauga Lake redevelopment. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/heres-a-comprehensive-look-at-everything-in-the-works-at-the-old-geauga-lake-property?fbclid=IwAR1y4GvNdgApJSxMrimT9aH6LDI6jif_6EqYYZoth37LVqO_y6bpPR9AAMg Here's a comprehensive look at everything in the works at the old Geauga Lake property Clearing underway for apartments, big-box stores and homes ICP allowed News 5 to tour the property and capture drone video of the site, where we observed excavators working to clear the land, and remnants of the park's entrance still in place. "Right now, you’re going to see a lot of excavation and demo work of former sidewalks and footers for the roller coasters," Semarjian added. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 23, 20222 yr Cleveland, Lakewood rehabs corner historic credits By Ken Prendergast / June 22, 2022 Six other Northeast Ohio developments awarded historic tax credits today were: North Hall, 309 Beech St. in Berea, won $1,818,750 to help offset a total project cost of $18,400,026. North Hall is a residence hall on the campus of Baldwin Wallace University. Completed in 1958, the building helps to tell the story of increased college enrollment in the post-world War II era. The building, now vacant while it awaits rehabilitation, will house 65 residential units as well as common spaces. The university-led project will upgrade the building’s systems, ADA accessibility, and turn a cluster of rooms in North Hall into a living-learning community for students studying STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics). MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/06/22/cleveland-lakewood-rehabs-corner-historic-credits/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 20222 yr I saw some geotechnical drilling on this site as I drove by, so I looked into it some more. 70 townhomes are planned for the north end of Berea on a portion of the land the city has owned for a while now seeking a sort of transformative project.
June 23, 20222 yr Glad to see the suburbs getting density too. Not every suburban house needs to be a standalone McMansion on an acre of land in these sprawling neighborhoods. Some people don't want to maintain that landscaping or have a big enough family to justify 3,000sqft.
April 7, 20232 yr Haslams envision glitzy new Berea future By Ken Prendergast / April 7, 2023 The owners of the Cleveland Browns are trying to keep up with the Jones’. And the Kroenkes, Spanos’ and Wilfs, too. To do that means upgrading the Browns’ football facilities. But that isn’t limited to their downtown Cleveland stadium where the team plays games each Sunday in the Fall. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/04/07/haslams-envision-glitzy-new-berea-future/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Haslams envision glitzy new Berea future By Ken Prendergast / April 7, 2023 The owners of the Cleveland Browns are trying to keep up with the Jones’. And the Kroenkes, Spanos’ and Wilfs, too. To do that means upgrading the Browns’ football facilities. But that isn’t limited to their downtown Cleveland stadium where the team plays games each Sunday in the Fall. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/04/07/haslams-envision-glitzy-new-berea-future/ Just a note on the Serpentini Collision property. It’s relocating to Middleburg Heights on Engle Rd. Near Sheldon: https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/10/new-serpentini-collision-center-proposed-for-middleburg-heights.html I’d have to assume the Haslams would have the inside track on that property if they want it.
April 7, 20232 yr Still, I'm curious why their Berea property was just transferred to a new LLC under Serpentini. Perhaps the old LLC has too many legal claims attached to it and they wanted to sell it free and clear by selling the new LLC and not the property? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Still, I'm curious why their Berea property was just transferred to a new LLC under Serpentini. Perhaps the old LLC has too many legal claims attached to it and they wanted to sell it free and clear by selling the new LLC and not the property? I’m guessing there’s some tax benefit.
April 8, 20232 yr I can’t help but dream about a red line extension accompanying this kind of development if it’s as big as the Haslams are hoping. This is basically a big blank slate with another big blank slate across the bridge over the tracks. If everyone works together, it could be a great TOD. It would be a great selling point for conferences and meetings to be just a stop away from the airport by rail. Plus the practice facility complex could be directly connected by rail to the stadium (unless it moves somewhere inaccessible by rail).
April 8, 20232 yr Redirected from the FES thread 9 hours ago, Cleburger said: Berea is not Frisco. And to keep with this thread, if public money is being used, why not move the Browns offices, training facilities and spin off mixed use development all around the stadium. It would fit nicely on "The Pit" I also noted Minneapolis' Viking Village development which may be larger than the Star District in Frisco. And an international airport (albeit a much smaller one) is closer to the north end of Berea which should be enjoying more spin-off benefits from it than it is. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 8, 20232 yr While l would prefer this complex (if built) be constructed downtown l know that's not going to happen, so good for Berea. If it is built the good news is it would probably put the kibosh on any thoughts of having training camp moved to Columbus.
April 8, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, cadmen said: While l would prefer this complex (if built) be constructed downtown l know that's not going to happen, so good for Berea. If it is built the good news is it would probably put the kibosh on any thoughts of having training camp moved to Columbus. Alec Sheiner's much-deserved departure put the kibosh on the training camps going to Columbus. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 12, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Some infill on Detroit Rd in Rocky River: What’s this gonna be?
May 12, 20232 yr ^ Found it. Two-story dress shop: https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/12/rocky-rivers-radiant-bride-shop-expanding-and-moving-across-the-street.html
May 12, 20232 yr On 9/3/2021 at 1:57 PM, KJP said: Article on the above project..... FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2021 700 Lake tops off, and tops the metro area in condo sale price As 700 Lake's development and sales team celebrated the structural topping off of their $35 million lakefront development in Rocky River this week, they had another reason to smile. At the Sept. 1 topping-off event, the project's leading development principals Brickhaus Partners and the Carney family, plus real estate agent the Kim Crane Group at Howard Hanna announced they had sold a penthouse in the development for $3 million. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/09/700-lake-tops-off-is-tops-for-metro.html Also Rocky River - this new development is really filling in nicely along Lake Rd. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/22724-Lake-Rd_Rocky-River_OH_44116_M99256-31028 https://www.luxuryportfolio.com/property/rocky-river-properties-modern-luxury-living-in-700-lake-by-brickhaus/szcf Edited May 12, 20232 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
June 17, 20231 yr More Rocky River :) We went here today… feels like a complete hidden gem. Really cool. Bradstreet’s Landing Park pier in Rocky River finally ready to re-open Updated: Jun. 16, 2023, 5:24 p.m.| Published: Jun. 16, 2023, 5:09 p.m. By Peter Krouse, cleveland.com ROCKY RIVER, Ohio - The Bradstreet’s Landing Park pier, which was closed in 2017 for safety concerns, will finally re-open Saturday, according to an email from the city to its residents. The pier was closed as a result of deteriorating concrete and other infrastructure issues. The city announced in 2019 that work on a $3.4 million plan to reconstruct the pier and make other improvements to the popular lakefront park would begin the following spring. The improvements were to include an enhanced beach, a pedestrian bridge over Spencer Creek, a cabin or pavilion for parties and events, a revetment with steps for seating in a miniature version of Lakewood’s Solstice Steps, and more. But so far only the pier has been completed. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/06/bradstreets-landing-park-pier-in-rocky-river-finally-ready-to-re-open.html Edited June 17, 20231 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
June 26, 20231 yr Geauga Lake Story.https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/06/26/aurora-community-hopeful-about-plans-purchase-former-geauga-lake-seaworld-land/
July 3, 20231 yr On 8/19/2020 at 7:02 PM, Boomerang_Brian said: Fairview Park optimistic that mixed-use future of NASA buildings is about to blast off https://www.cleveland.com/community/2020/08/fairview-park-optimistic-mixed-use-future-of-nasa-buildings-about-to-blast-off.html FAIRVIEW PARK, Ohio -- For roughly a decade, Fairview Park has been patiently waiting for the next chapter of development regarding two former NASA buildings on Brookpark Road. Mayor Patrick Cooney said developer Ceres Enterprises’ $45 million plan to convert the three-story structures and their combined 200,000 square feet of space into a mixed-use facility -- including restaurants, retail, a boutique hotel and market-rate apartments -- appears close to coming to fruition, thanks to a series of recent developments. The plan includes a 50-room boutique hotel in the L-shaped building, as well as 85 apartments in the K-shaped building. Quoting this 3 year old post for context on the development across from NASA in Fairview Park... I believe both the hotel and apartments are finally complete and open: The Orbit Hotel by Wyndham The Centaur Apartments
July 3, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, acd said: Quoting this 3 year old post for context on the development across from NASA in Fairview Park... I believe both the hotel and apartments are finally complete and open: The Orbit Hotel by Wyndham The Centaur Apartments I was wondering about those buildings when I drove by a couple weeks ago. I didn't notice any signage nor did I see any activity outside.
July 24, 20231 yr Reynolds enters Midwest market with local buy By Ken Prendergast / July 24, 2023 In a move that expands its portfolio westward into a new market, East Coast-based Reynolds Asset Management, with financing provided in partnership with Northwest Bank, announced it has closed on the acquisition of a 125-unit multifamily apartment complex in the Greater Cleveland area. It is Reynolds’ first real estate asset acquisition in the Midwest and the first of more deals it is seeking in the Cleveland-area market. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/24/reynolds-enters-midwest-market-with-local-buy/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 24, 20231 yr Dipping their toe into the market with more to come. Always good to see an outside entity making a business decision to invest here. Beats the alternative.
July 24, 20231 yr ^ yep if you keep expectation low it does look like they can pull off that urban suburban thing: https://www.reynoldsasset.com
July 26, 20231 yr Progressive’s office spaces to be slashed By Ken Prendergast / July 26, 2023 All Progressive Insurance employees received a notice this morning announcing that, due to remote working, the company would be slashing the square footage of active office spaces and attempt to sell or lease those it will no longer occupy. As a result, about 850 employees who continue to work in the office will be consolidated into the company’s Campus 2, 300 North Commons Blvd. It will also move the corporate headquarters from Campus 1, 6300 Wilson Mills Rd., but remain in Mayfield Village. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/26/progressives-office-spaces-to-be-slashed/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 26, 20231 yr Residential conversions of a lot of this are gonna need to be part of the solution.
July 26, 20231 yr 29 minutes ago, marty15 said: Residential conversions of a lot of this are gonna need to be part of the solution. I'm sure the cost to convert would be insane but at least Campus 1 is in what feels like a desirable area - right next to a ton of restaurants and shopping, about 5 minutes from a Heinens, and walking/biking distance to the high school. Not to mention it's adjacent to the highway too.
July 26, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, bikemail said: I'm sure the cost to convert would be insane but at least Campus 1 is in what feels like a desirable area - right next to a ton of restaurants and shopping, about 5 minutes from a Heinens, and walking/biking distance to the high school. Not to mention it's adjacent to the highway too. If it follows suit with their other buildings a hospital buying it up seems more likely
July 26, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, bikemail said: I'm sure the cost to convert would be insane but at least Campus 1 is in what feels like a desirable area - right next to a ton of restaurants and shopping, about 5 minutes from a Heinens, and walking/biking distance to the high school. Not to mention it's adjacent to the highway too. I don’t see why the cost to convert would be insane. They're narrow buildings with tons of windows, wide open floors already, and no asbestos abatement needed. They’re pretty much ready made.
July 27, 20231 yr I don't know. There are just so many empty small, mid and large commercial properties in the city and suburbs alike. Everywhere really. Look at all the dead malls nationwide as an example. With their centralized locations you'd think they'd all be ripe for residential conversion, yet most sit empty endlessly or get bulldozed. Maybe the occasional collection of bulls**t churchs like in pre-demolition Euclid Mall or a half-ass repurpose like Parmatown and Severance. My hunch is Progressive will just wait for another tenant and the property will blight. Guess I'm a bit bearish tonight.
July 27, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, TBideon said: I don't know. There are just so many empty small, mid and large commercial properties in the city and suburbs alike. Everywhere really. Look at all the dead malls nationwide as an example. With their centralized locations you'd think they'd all be ripe for residential conversion, yet most sit empty endlessly or get bulldozed. Maybe the occasional collection of bulls**t churchs like in pre-demolition Euclid Mall or a half-ass repurpose like Parmatown and Severance. My hunch is Progressive will just wait for another tenant and the property will blight. Guess I'm a bit bearish tonight. Single story, windowless, concrete box malls are pretty impossible to convert to residential. Cleveland Heights actually converted an office building at Severance some years ago to residential. I don’t really see too many large vacant office buildings in the metro area (aside from DT) that are sitting completely vacant. Well, until today’s news.
July 27, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, marty15 said: Residential conversions of a lot of this are gonna need to be part of the solution. I can't for the life of me see why anyone would want to live in an apartment/condo setting in Progressives Mayfield Village HQ. What in the world is the appeal? If you're going to live in a sprawled, freeway and car dependent area, why would you choose an apartment out of Progressives HQ?
July 27, 20231 yr For the same reason that Beachwood apartments are hot: proximity to jobs, good schools and restaurants/shopping. Yes, it's car-dependent. But a large segment of the population likes that, or doesn't even ponder that. There's actually a way for the campus to be self-contained and more sustainable... According to Hines, Campus 1 has 37,460 square feet of retail space in it. It's also got a fitness center, healthcare facility and cafeteria. If it has an auditorium, it could be used for performing arts or converted into a movie theater or a dinner theater/lounge to watch TV shows. And here's a crazier idea -- turn one or both of the parking garages into hydroponic gardens. Turn the campus into something truly unique so that it carves out its own market. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 27, 20231 yr On 3/25/2022 at 4:49 PM, KJP said: Luxury car biz may park at Great Northern Mall By Ken Prendergast / March 25, 2022 A Canadian luxury auto dealer hopes to consolidate its local dealerships, service center, Ohio offices and hundreds of jobs at a new $60 million development at Great Northern Mall in North Olmsted. While there’s still a few steps to go through before the project is a reality, the dealer has already acquired the property in this western Cleveland suburb necessary to carry it out, according to public records and sources familiar with the project. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/25/luxury-car-biz-may-park-at-great-northern-mall/ Has anyone heard anything else about this? Is this still going to happen?
August 4, 20231 yr The suburban office market is getting decimated. Hyland seeks to shed two Westlake properties https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hyland-lists-two-westlake-office-buildings-sale-cbre?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=crain's+cleveland+business&utm_content=afce1040-8f6d-4c03-8903-277fc2acb405&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
August 5, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, Clefan98 said: The suburban office market is getting decimated. Hyland seeks to shed two Westlake properties https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hyland-lists-two-westlake-office-buildings-sale-cbre?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=crain's+cleveland+business&utm_content=afce1040-8f6d-4c03-8903-277fc2acb405&mibextid=Zxz2cZ and unlike downtown, many of those buildings won't have any great re-uses.
August 5, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: and unlike downtown, many of those buildings won't have any great re-uses. I think these buildings could be turned residential just as easy as those downtown, and maybe even easier. They have those huge parking lots, which could be turned into future phases, i.e. new construction or amenities. probably won't be easy to lease to an office user, but a smart owner/developer will turn the property into something marketable. These newer buildings are simply steel, concrete and gypsum and light gauge partition walls... much easier to renovate than asbestos and plaster walls, sitting tight in a city street grid. Edited August 5, 20231 yr by Mov2Ohio
August 5, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: I think these buildings could be turned residential just as easy as those downtown, and maybe even easier. They have those huge parking lots, which could be turned into future phases, i.e. new construction or amenities. probably won't be easy to lease to an office user, but a smart owner/developer will turn the property into something marketable. These newer buildings are simply steel, concrete and gypsum and light gauge partition walls... much easier to renovate than asbestos and plaster walls, sitting tight in a city street grid. We have a housing shortage at the same time these office buildings flood the market. They’re all essentially ready made for conversions. The floors were wide open to accommodate cubicles.
August 5, 20231 yr 10 hours ago, Cleburger said: and unlike downtown, many of those buildings won't have any great re-uses. Right, and I highly doubt many (if any) of these obsolete, auto-centric offices will ever turn residential. It’s not as easy and realistic as some on here think. The demand for apartments in areas such as Westlake, Mentor and Mayfield, etc., just isn’t what is in areas where new multi-families are already being constructed or converted. The future and fate of these suburban office parks will run similarly parallel to the dated indoor shopping malls we see getting mothballed across the country. My company ended our lease in Middleburg Hts Jan 1 of last year (40ksqft), those two floors still haven’t been filled and other tenants have left the building too. We’ve also cut our office space in Dublin and Kenwood, OH by over 50%.
August 5, 20231 yr Developing these suburban offices into residences is like apple and oranges when compared to dense urban areas. I am in the camp that believe it will be harder and perhaps even more expensive, especially those surrounded by tons of unappealing surface parking that are not close to other amenities that you can walk to or easily drive to. The reason I think it will be more expensive is that in order to make these very bland environments more attractive, new and interesting development will have to happen in the current parking lots, and if you don't do this, rents are going to have to be much lower due to the unattractiveness of the living environment. If I am a suburban multi-family developer, unless I can get these buildings for almost nothing, I am just going to find a greenfield and build new. All this is especially true in a slow to no growth area like Greater Cleveland.
August 5, 20231 yr The State and Feds offering tax incentives and other creative subsidies would be the solution to make it work. Unfortunately, US politicians are mostly reactive instead of proactive, hence my overall pessimism.
August 5, 20231 yr By the way, my skepticism revolving around the possible attractiveness of turning suburban offices into residences is bolstered by the approaching (or maybe it has already happened) demolition of the former TRW/Cleveland Clinic building in Lyndhurst. If there ever was a suburban building ripe for conversion if would be this one. It was a top notch design and quality built facility in a gorgeous natural setting, yet still close to tons of retail and other housing and high end amenities found on the far east side. In fact, if a path was built, residents would have just a short walk to Legacy Village not to mention a 4-5 minute car ride to Beachwood Place, LaPlace and all the surrounding convenience shopping on Mayfield and Cedar. A metro park is right across the street if all the nature surrounding the building was not enough and I-271 is a half mile away. Other high end multi family housing is in the neighborhood including many condos. Yet it is going to go Kaboom.
August 5, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said: One developer managed to convert the old NASAoffices north of Brook Park Rd. Obviously some developers will figure it out but you won't see it in the burbs, especially the sprawling burbs like Mayfield, at levels we have seen and will see in downtown and denser suburban areas. I just don't think the numbers will work in most cases...in other words high enough rents.
August 5, 20231 yr it may sit on the market for a few years, but I think someone is going to buy the Hyland campus, demo it and build new housing. it's a rich suburb where there is high-end housing demand.
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