I don't care who you are, that's cool. 

Here’s the club’s official video. This thing is awesome! I can’t wait for the season. 

 

I think we are all upset to some extent of the historic fabric that was ripped for the new stadium (albeit not much in comparison to the interstate projects back in the day)...but you have to admit that this is beautiful looking stadium, especially when it’s lit up like that.

 

I’m sure time will tell, but I have a strong gut feeling this will be a catalyst to some degree for new development around the stadium and help lure in new businesses, that will hopefully take some of the remaining historic stock and convert into new places to gather.

20 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

I think we are all upset to some extent of the historic fabric that was ripped for the new stadium (albeit not much in comparison to the interstate projects back in the day)...but you have to admit that this is beautiful looking stadium, especially when it’s lit up like that.

 

I’m sure time will tell, but I have a strong gut feeling this will be a catalyst to some degree for new development around the stadium and help lure in new businesses, that will hopefully take some of the remaining historic stock and convert into new places to gather.

We've already seen the first development tied to the stadium with the pitch bar mentioned earlier.  There will surely be others that follow.  Not to mention the land FCC owns themselves that will get developed.  Hopefully that gets started in the next year or two.  Considering they own the land, and thus would profit from the developments, it surely should move quicker then the banks. 

It's cool, but as someone who lives in the area and has a view of the stadium, those lights are massive and jarring.  I am sure we will get used to it, though. 

 

12 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

We've already seen the first development tied to the stadium with the pitch bar mentioned earlier.  There will surely be others that follow.  Not to mention the land FCC owns themselves that will get developed.  Hopefully that gets started in the next year or two.  Considering they own the land, and thus would profit from the developments, it surely should move quicker then the banks. 

Agreed. I think once Covid restrictions are lifted in the future and the stadium is allowed to have full capacity again it will be interesting to see how the otr restaurants and bars handle the game day crowds.

 

Back before Covid, popular otr restaurants could easily have a 45min to 1 hour wait...bars packed to the brim with barely any standing room.

 

I imagine adding a tens of thousands of game day fans will be a ginormous capacity issue for these bars and restaurants..my hope is that the long restaurant owners who already own various concepts in otr and downtown see this demand and decide to take their excess revenue and invest in more concepts within the reaches of the stadium.

Edited March 19, 20214 yr by Troeros2

12 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

We've already seen the first development tied to the stadium with the pitch bar mentioned earlier.  There will surely be others that follow.  Not to mention the land FCC owns themselves that will get developed.  Hopefully that gets started in the next year or two.  Considering they own the land, and thus would profit from the developments, it surely should move quicker then the banks. 

I really hope they get to building something on the left and right sides of the massive staircase.  This stadium is an eyesore during the daytime as it stands now.  Obviously, the led fins are an incredible feature, but i wish they would have done some type of covering instead of the spaced out fins on the North, West, and South sides of the building, you're basically just looking at the underside of the bleachers/seating when approaching from those directions.

29 minutes ago, jdm00 said:

It's cool, but as someone who lives in the area and has a view of the stadium, those lights are massive and jarring.  I am sure we will get used to it, though. 

 

 

I don't think ~3 hours tops a week will be very massive or jarring.  But yes, it will be a small adjustment and if nearby residents have issues, lets hope FC Cincinnati listens. 

11 minutes ago, richNcincy said:

 

I don't think ~3 hours tops a week will be very massive or jarring.  But yes, it will be a small adjustment and if nearby residents have issues, lets hope FC Cincinnati listens. 

The PD gave them for permission for **glowing lights** (but not animated LED which leave a question mark) 365 days a year until 1 AM. So maybe a bit more than 3 hours a week tops in their wishes. Not sure how it will play out.

13 hours ago, richNcincy said:

I don't care who you are, that's cool. 

I have had my fair share of complaints about this design, mostly as it relates to the overly grey/concrete daytime view it presents to Central Parkway. But yes, at night and during games this is going to be the coolest looking soccer stadium in the US. 

4 minutes ago, breakground said:

365 days a year until 1 AM

 

😬   Now that's a problem!

26 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

I really hope they get to building something on the left and right sides of the massive staircase.  This stadium is an eyesore during the daytime as it stands now.  Obviously, the led fins are an incredible feature, but i wish they would have done some type of covering instead of the spaced out fins on the North, West, and South sides of the building, you're basically just looking at the underside of the bleachers/seating when approaching from those directions.

They don't own the land to the left of the staircase.  That's a cell town and a garage that apparently held out for more money then the team was offering.  I hope eventually the team gets control of that land because they're a weird eyesore next to a new stadium.  To the right they do own the land, but that small surface lot has to stay until the ballet moves.

 

Either way I don't think they'll ever put anything very tall next to the staircases.  They won't want to block the view of the lights they probably paid a ton for.  The land they own north of the stadium is where I think most of their developments will occur. 

32 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

Agreed. I think once Covid restrictions are lifted in the future and the stadium is allowed to have full capacity again it will be interesting to see how the otr restaurants and bars handle the game day crowds.

 

Back before Covid, popular otr restaurants could easily have a 45min to 1 hour wait...bars packed to the brim with barely any standing room.

 

I imagine adding a tens of thousands of game day fans will be a ginormous capacity issue for these bars and restaurants..my hope is that the long restaurant owners who already own various concepts in otr and downtown see this demand and decide to take their excess revenue and invest in more concepts within the reaches of the stadium.

The new permanent outdoor seating will help.  Some of those small restaurants and bars really increased their capacities with the addition of that outdoor seating.  But I'm also sure more new businesses will open in the coming years.

Why do people think that this small soccer stadium with 17-19 events per year will sustain its own horde of bars?  The Banks has struggled despite having well over 100 yearly events at Great American, Paul Brown, and the Coliseum. 

 

With sports stadiums and convention centers, hope springs eternal. 

2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Why do people think that this small soccer stadium with 17-19 events per year will sustain its own horde of bars?  The Banks has struggled despite having well over 100 yearly events at Great American, Paul Brown, and the Coliseum. 

 

With sports stadiums and convention centers, hope springs eternal. 

I'm not sure what exactly a horde is but the very western part of OTR is not very developed with businesses.  I don't think anyone thinks 50+ new bars will open, but I'm guessing closer to 10 new places will.  The team themselves are going to build some new places and then I bet a handful of others will pop up around the area like the Pitch. 

 

The banks has struggled to develop since the city and county are run by morons, but there are a bunch of restaurants and bars that do very well there.  FCCs stadium will just be another thing that brings people down to OTR.  All the bars and restaurants there do great (sans covid) because it's the most poplar entertainment area in the city.  

30 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Why do people think that this small soccer stadium with 17-19 events per year will sustain its own horde of bars?  The Banks has struggled despite having well over 100 yearly events at Great American, Paul Brown, and the Coliseum. 

 

With sports stadiums and convention centers, hope springs eternal. 

I believe the Linders have gone on record stating they will use the stadium for a variety of uses including

 

away game watch parties

 

potential professional women soccer team

 

concerts/other mass gathering events

 

So this stadium will definitely not just sit empty throughout the majority of the year. It will gets it use to some degree and that will definitely cause an uptick for businesses that are close in proximity to the stadium. 
 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

I believe the Linders have gone on record stating they will use the stadium for a variety of uses including

 

away game watch parties

 

potential professional women soccer team

 

concerts/other mass gathering events

 

So this stadium will definitely not just sit empty throughout the majority of the year. It will gets it use to some degree and that will definitely cause an uptick for businesses that are close in proximity to the stadium. 

 

They definitely should do all of that but I am doubtful that will bring 20k+ people to the stadium for over a 180 days a year. This is why the Central Parkway redesign is important. It will have the biggest impact on daily usage than any other single project. If done correctly it will induce residential construction along the corridor which gets us that daily fullness on the human scale that the area needs. The Banks has the same issue now since there is some residential but too many empty lots that make the place feel hostile and empty.

Pshhh, we don't need to redesign Central Parkway. Just put in some Skywalks! People love those.

11 minutes ago, Dev said:

If done correctly it will induce residential construction along the corridor which gets us that daily fullness on the human scale that the area needs.

Agreed - though I think adding office and hotel in addition to residential will help create the kind of daily activity we want. 

24 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

So this stadium will definitely not just sit empty throughout the majority of the year.

 

Yes it will.  Why would somebody stage a concert at Quibbi Field instead of Great American or Paul Brown or Nippert?  It costs the same to bring in 15 tractor trailers worth of gear and those stadiums are bigger. 

 

The NBA is huge.  The WNBA has been around for decades and is not.  MLS is a fraction of the size of the NBA, meaning women's soccer will be even smaller than women's basketball. 

 

6 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Yes it will.  Why would somebody stage a concert at Quibbi Field instead of Great American or Paul Brown or Nippert?  It costs the same to bring in 15 tractor trailers worth of gear and those stadiums are bigger. 

 

The NBA is huge.  The WNBA has been around for decades and is not.  MLS is a fraction of the size of the NBA, meaning women's soccer will be even smaller than women's basketball. 

 

 

Some NWSL teams regularly draw 9,000 a game. Ironically the 2nd most attended team just moved because the owner was forced to sell for being a bigot. Anyway. If there's an NWSL team playing there with Rose Lavell and some other US Women's National Team players you'll see at minimum 5,000 a game. There's also Music Hall, theaters and just the vicinity to an actual neighborhood that the West End location has that's far superior to what's at the Banks. 

20 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Yes it will.  Why would somebody stage a concert at Quibbi Field instead of Great American or Paul Brown or Nippert?  It costs the same to bring in 15 tractor trailers worth of gear and those stadiums are bigger. 

 

The NBA is huge.  The WNBA has been around for decades and is not.  MLS is a fraction of the size of the NBA, meaning women's soccer will be even smaller than women's basketball. 

 

 

Promoters and artists don't just go for the biggest stadium they can get. That's why Great American sees more concerts than Paul Brown. The economics don't work for most acts for an NFL stadium. I'd imagine this stadium will host more concerts than any of the other local stadiums. 

Also, are you saying people don't go to WNBA games? Because that's just not true. 

Please don't argue with Jake about soccer. He's a troll and will probably be banned from this topic in a few days. It isn't worth it.

35 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Yes it will.  Why would somebody stage a concert at Quibbi Field instead of Great American or Paul Brown or Nippert?  It costs the same to bring in 15 tractor trailers worth of gear and those stadiums are bigger. 

 

I think they'll have difficulty attracting concerts because they have a small niche to pull from - bands that can't fill GABP or Paul Brown, but are too big for Icon's capacity of 8000 and whatever the capacity of the Newport thing is. So they'll be targeting the same groups as Riverbend, but they'll have a worse setup because Riverbend is a concert-specific venue and this will be a soccer stadium rigged up for a concert. The OTR/West End location is a plus for certain groups, but a country band or a band old people like will probably opt for Riverbend's location for access, parking, etc.

Jake doesn't know what he's talking about the majority of the time on here.  But he certainly acts like he knows everything. 

3 hours ago, 10albersa said:

I really hope they get to building something on the left and right sides of the massive staircase.  This stadium is an eyesore during the daytime as it stands now.  Obviously, the led fins are an incredible feature, but i wish they would have done some type of covering instead of the spaced out fins on the North, West, and South sides of the building, you're basically just looking at the underside of the bleachers/seating when approaching from those directions.

I Disagree it’s not bad at all and definitely not an eyesore lol during the day. Also keep in mind there is still a lot of last minute signage and other things to be done to the grounds

The team has said they are not especially interested in concerts because they need to protect the field. There is some info in the PD about how many and what kinds of events they can do per year.

 

1 minute ago, Ram23 said:

 

I think they'll have difficulty attracting concerts because they have a small niche to pull from - bands that can't fill GABP or Paul Brown, but are too big for Icon's capacity of 8000 and whatever the capacity of the Newport thing is. So they'll be targeting the same groups as Riverbend, but they'll have a worse setup because Riverbend is a concert-specific venue and this will be a soccer stadium rigged up for a concert. The OTR/West End location is a plus for certain groups, but a country band or a band old people like will probably opt for Riverbend's location for access, parking, etc.

I think this is where people underestimate the allure of the new, and it brings me no joy to say because I'm a big fan of community benefits agreements, super cool architecture. Shows here would be very cool because artists' digital content folks can create epic lightshow/billboards on the exterior of the building. 

 

I think the video from FCC shows why they wanted this type of architecture... it looks hella cool from a helicopter. What a boon for digital content creation and looking hot on TV. I bet they build 3-4 stories directly in front of the stadium on Central Parkway. You would still be able to see plenty of the facade through the grand stair, and considering that I can only imagine office, retail, bars & restaurants going in there, it could be fairly transparent and offer views through. 3-4 stories would not obstruct any of the lightshow from the drone used to capture the video FCC shared on twitter. And it's a win win because it begins to shield the neighbors on the Elm Street blocks from the lightshow they did not buy a lifetime supply of season passes to see.

5 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

I think they'll have difficulty attracting concerts because they have a small niche to pull from - bands that can't fill GABP or Paul Brown, but are too big for Icon's capacity of 8000 and whatever the capacity of the Newport thing is. So they'll be targeting the same groups as Riverbend, but they'll have a worse setup because Riverbend is a concert-specific venue and this will be a soccer stadium rigged up for a concert. The OTR/West End location is a plus for certain groups, but a country band or a band old people like will probably opt for Riverbend's location for access, parking, etc.

I agree kinda but not totally, I’ve worked in this industry. WestEnd Stadium’s location crushes Riverbend. You have a point about parking but I don’t think it’s as big of an advantage as you think. FC Cincys stadium is also going to be much better in regards to restrooms and concessions as well. But the key point I want to mention is how important scheduling is for these music acts. Many times tours or other events want to do a city and a venue is simply not available due to another booking especially in the summer, yes they can try to rework a date but big tours move regionally and can at times lead a band to cancel a city (in the planning stages) and opt for a nearby city (Louisville for example in Cincinnati’s case) so I think this stadium will get its fair share but also this stadium is going to be the darling of MLS for years to come people around the league are freaking out from last nights show off. Also expect plenty of U.S Men’s team matches and such along with MLS All Star Game and such.

4 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I think this is where people underestimate the allure of the new

100%

42 minutes ago, 646empire said:

I Disagree it’s not bad at all and definitely not an eyesore lol during the day. Also keep in mind there is still a lot of last minute signage and other things to be done to the grounds

I would love to see some creative landscaping around the stadium.

44 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Jake doesn't know what he's talking about the majority of the time on here.  But he certainly acts like he knows everything. 

 

I owned vacant land adjacent to the stadium between Wade and Bauer.  I penciled out the numbers for building a bar and it came nowhere close to making sense so I sold the land in 2018 and now it's a parking garage.

 

We have an unused subway tunnel and station right in front of this stadium and y'all condoned demolitions for parking garages while they doubled down on the 1950s-era water main that keeps the tunnel from being used for transit.  Keep in mind that when you flush the toilet in this new stadium that water came from the big water main in the subway.  Keep in mind that Lindner and Berding absconded with tens of millions of public dollars to build this duplicative stadium. 

13 minutes ago, Yves Behar said:

I would love to see some creative landscaping around the stadium.

Yeah same, I’m curious to see the 3 murals Artworks is going to do at the stadium, it could turn out amazing 

1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

 

I think they'll have difficulty attracting concerts because they have a small niche to pull from - bands that can't fill GABP or Paul Brown, but are too big for Icon's capacity of 8000 and whatever the capacity of the Newport thing is. So they'll be targeting the same groups as Riverbend, but they'll have a worse setup because Riverbend is a concert-specific venue and this will be a soccer stadium rigged up for a concert. The OTR/West End location is a plus for certain groups, but a country band or a band old people like will probably opt for Riverbend's location for access, parking, etc.

 

A couple years ago I saw Zac Brown Band at GABP. It was a great show. But it was clear that GABP was too big for the crowd size. It was also clear that Riverbend would've been too small. To me, Zac Brown Band is exactly the type of act that would want to play at the West End Stadium. 

 

But alas, someone already pointed out that they don't really want to do concerts.

On 3/19/2021 at 11:55 AM, Chas Wiederhold said:

Shows here would be very cool because artists' digital content folks can create epic lightshow/billboards on the exterior of the building. 

I hadn’t thought much about this before, but you’re right. And the stadium’s light fins would be an amazing “canvas” for artists at the next Blink (whenever that happens), or whatever other one-off events are organized. 

That's what I thought as soon as I saw the video. They designed it with Blink in mind.

I read on Twitter from a “so-so”source that the club is finalizing a naming rights deal, the list of high interest parties include P&G and TQL. Also this photo a little bit ago. Seems large to be directional signage. Maybe just testing naming rights signage for design?

Tide Pod Park? Tampax Place?

 

In all honesty my guess is that it is the "t" in "FC Cincinnati"

 

It is hanging from the lift like it's a mockup - maybe to see how high it should be mounted, if the text is large enough, how it looks with the lights on behind it, etc. It's common to want to see something like that before you sign off on ordering the rest of the letters.

 

My money is on TQL. Not that I have any insight.

Major League Soccer did just ink a five-year corporate partnership with Procter & Gamble...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/major-league-soccer-lands-top-corporate-sponsorship-procter-gamble.html

• The company will sponsor top soccer events, including the MLS All-Star Game.
• The deal is worth $80 million to $100 million and will promote MLS content on P&G products such as Old Spice.

I'm hoping for Metamucil Stadium. Or even better The Bounce(TM) House.

2 hours ago, Cygnus said:

Major League Soccer did just ink a five-year corporate partnership with Procter & Gamble...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/major-league-soccer-lands-top-corporate-sponsorship-procter-gamble.html

• The company will sponsor top soccer events, including the MLS All-Star Game.
• The deal is worth $80 million to $100 million and will promote MLS content on P&G products such as Old Spice.

That seems to portend a P&G brand taking the name. I retract my dumb prediction from earlier.

3 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

That seems to portend a P&G brand taking the name. I retract my dumb prediction from earlier.

You think so? I hope so. But when I read about this deal my gut told me it’s less likely it’s P&G for naming rights not more likely. I would assume they wouldn’t do both Cincys soccer stadium and this league deal but we shall see. 

18 minutes ago, Yves Behar said:

I'm hoping for Metamucil Stadium. Or even better The Bounce(TM) House.

The Bounce (TM) House would be awesome. At least they could also refer to the Bailey as that. 

1 minute ago, 646empire said:

You think so? I hope so. But when I read about this deal my gut told me it’s less likely it’s P&G for naming rights not more likely. I would assume they wouldn’t do both Cincys soccer stadium and this league deal but we shall see. 

I agree, you would think if they wanted to get into the naming rights gig they would have by now, but they really haven't. I know Gillette Stadium in NE, but that was in place before P&G bought Gillette. I wonder how long the rights agreement goes and if they keep it much longer? 

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I agree, you would think if they wanted to get into the naming rights gig they would have by now, but they really haven't. I know Gillette Stadium in NE, but that was in place before P&G bought Gillette. I wonder how long the rights agreement goes and if they keep it much longer? 

Also a lot of people assume P&G would name the stadium after one of its big brands like Tide, Dawn or Crest, But I think they would just name it straight up after the company “P&G”. Now don’t get me wrong they would plaster product ads all over the place especially on the grand lighting display during games. But the stadium itself I think would be self named after the company 

20 hours ago, 646empire said:

Also a lot of people assume P&G would name the stadium after one of its big brands like Tide, Dawn or Crest, But I think they would just name it straight up after the company “P&G”. Now don’t get me wrong they would plaster product ads all over the place especially on the grand lighting display during games. But the stadium itself I think would be self named after the company 

It's hard to say. I haven't really chewed over the subject. The "P&G" thing would be interesting as you consider how PG has grown into a recognizable brand (as a house of brands) itself over the past 25 years. The Tide's and Crest's of the world stood on their own back in the day with no awareness by the average person that PG was behind it all. 

 

For the rights, I was thinking in the other direction that since they have invested so much in the league, it makes sense to tag their home turf. Not sure though...?

Twitter Reports are TQL has secured naming rights. As a matter of fact tqlstadium.com directs to the West End Stadium website so the reports seems credible we shall see if confirmed by team. I’m still skeptical about these rumors, domains/websites are purchased all the time in anticipation for things that never come to fruition 

Edited April 19, 20214 yr by 646empire

Rumors have been either TQL or P&G for a while. It wouldn't surprise me if P&G rumors were around because of their big sponsorship of MLS writ large, and TQL will be the sponsor of the West End Stadium.