I believe they have said they want to create a mixed use destination type area around the stadium, but i fear that it will be garages and a stadium and all else an after thought. Hope i am wrong though.

 

I'm worried that this is going to end up looking like a casino. 

 

Maybe we will get a 'Unique' garage like The Bucks did next to their new stadium. All the cool urban arenas have one. Why drink in the neighborhood bars when you can pay to party nextdoor to the stadium (and your car) on the top level "Tailgate ZONE tm"!

 

 

Blech! https://fox6now.com/2017/10/31/pretty-unique-parking-garage-near-new-bucks-arena-could-someday-feature-top-level-tailgating/

I still don't understand why the ballet building can't be in Queensgate or West End. Same with WVXU.

 

I also hope the stadium development fronts Liberty well.

I get that the Ballet wants their facility to be close to the Aronoff and Music Hall (since that's where they perform). It's also important for image/prestige to be in a high visibility location, and near the other performing arts groups. My ideal would be if they could team up with a developer to do a mixed-use project at the CMHA site on Central Parkway.

I still don't understand why the ballet building can't be in Queensgate or West End. Same with WVXU.

 

I also hope the stadium development fronts Liberty well.

I get that the Ballet wants their facility to be close to the Aronoff and Music Hall (since that's where they perform). It's also important for image/prestige to be in a high visibility location, and near the other performing arts groups. My ideal would be if they could team up with a developer to do a mixed-use project at the CMHA site on Central Parkway.

 

That would be a great location for it jwulsin[/member]. Good idea!

Yeah they and the salvation army are really wasting some prime real estate on Central Pkwy with their 1-2 story buildings and surface parking lots. 

Both condos at 418 Wade, after having sat on the market for six months, are suddenly under contract, along with the multifamily across the street, 423 Wade. 

 

So fire up the bulldozers and let's get this strip of historic buildings turned into a parking lot ASAP:

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1574139/418-Wade-St-1-Cincinnati-OH-45214

Are those places occupied?

 

Both condos at 418 Wade, after having sat on the market for six months, are suddenly under contract, along with the multifamily across the street, 423 Wade. 

 

 

No, they were finished and put on the market in March or April.  There has been a price reduction on each.  So they and the rest of the project was vulnerable to someone coming from the outside and buying them both for a discount plus the other buildings that were planned to be redeveloped.  The only good sign is that it says they're under contract rather than them being completely removed from MLS, which would be a more odious development. 

 

I hope I'm wrong and someone is simply buying these two condos to airbnb them or something like that.  It's really going to suck if the Wade St. buildings are torn down because otherwise there is going to be nothing historic left around the stadium. 

Thx. What about the multifamily - same deal?

I have a feeling these buildings are goners, hope im wrong. I wish they could at least somehow incorporate the facades of the buildings into whatever the plan is so it still has some character and not big blank walls everywhere. Overall - i am glad they are investing in the core but need to do it with a sense of place in mind, which i am not hopeful for.

I hope I'm wrong and someone is simply buying these two condos to airbnb them or something like that.

 

That crossed my mind as well. Assuming that units weren't bought by FCC with the intention of tearing down the building, I would guess that the buyer wants to rent them out as AirBNBs. Because living across the street from a stadium doesn't sound very pleasant to me.

^What's weird is that the two condos only occupy floors 1 & 2.  The third floor was not renovated or is simply empty.  No doubt it was the plan of the developer to build a third condo in that space after the first two sold, and then roll the profits into doing the other buildings.  So if someone really is buying the two units to rent them, does the third one get built?  Or is that guy going to try to buy the building outright?

 

 

Reading this thread makes me depressed. Just so much speculation and unfounded negativity.

 

We don’t know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do. I say let’s hold off and be patient and be optimistic and hope for the best.

 

Regardless of what happens, I’m glad that fcc is in the West End rather than say Newport or Oakley. I’m sure it will benefit the area to some extent...it’s just so dooms day here without any actual evidence to discuss.

We dont know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do.

 

They have received a huge amount of public money.  We still don't have a site plan, 6 months after they announced the location.  You'd think that in exchange for tens of millions of public dollars that we could have negotiated to have them flip all of their cards up.  Instead, they're still engaging in shadowy real estate machinations. 

Reading this thread makes me depressed. Just so much speculation and unfounded negativity.

 

We don’t know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do. I say let’s hold off and be patient and be optimistic and hope for the best.

 

Regardless of what happens, I’m glad that fcc is in the West End rather than say Newport or Oakley. I’m sure it will benefit the area to some extent...it’s just so dooms day here without any actual evidence to discuss.

 

If they end up leveling everything in sight I do wish they would have gone to Oakley

Reading this thread makes me depressed. Just so much speculation and unfounded negativity.

 

We don’t know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do. I say let’s hold off and be patient and be optimistic and hope for the best.

 

Regardless of what happens, I’m glad that fcc is in the West End rather than say Newport or Oakley. I’m sure it will benefit the area to some extent...it’s just so dooms day here without any actual evidence to discuss.

 

If they end up leveling everything in sight I do wish they would have gone to Oakley

 

So essentially what was already occurring in the West End due to decades of neglect and lack of investment? The only narrative that would change if fcc chose Oakley is that these old historic buildings would’ve been razed due to emergency demo.

Reading this thread makes me depressed. Just so much speculation and unfounded negativity.

 

We don’t know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do. I say let’s hold off and be patient and be optimistic and hope for the best.

 

Regardless of what happens, I’m glad that fcc is in the West End rather than say Newport or Oakley. I’m sure it will benefit the area to some extent...it’s just so dooms day here without any actual evidence to discuss.

 

If they end up leveling everything in sight I do wish they would have gone to Oakley

There's barely anything in the area of the stadium to level. 

Reading this thread makes me depressed. Just so much speculation and unfounded negativity.

 

We don’t know what fcc is planning, but there is nothing but conspiracy theories about what they might do. I say let’s hold off and be patient and be optimistic and hope for the best.

 

Regardless of what happens, I’m glad that fcc is in the West End rather than say Newport or Oakley. I’m sure it will benefit the area to some extent...it’s just so dooms day here without any actual evidence to discuss.

 

 

 

If they end up leveling everything in sight I do wish they would have gone to Oakley

There's barely anything in the area of the stadium to level.

 

Right. Some are acting like fcc is plopping the stadium right in the smack of Pendleton and destroying every historic structure in a 1 mile radius.

 

That stretch of West End was wiped away from its historic stock decades ago.

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now. This enhances the market for people moving to the area, becoming Cincinnatians, and doing what people do. This babble about historic buildings is silly. If you wanted to keep the damnable buildings you should have bought them. Then hired a few old ladies to do historic building tours and speak like they were from the old country. I bet the tourists from Europe and Asia would flock to see a guided tour of an "OTR near" home built in 1855. i can hardly wait to be the first in line. Dick's has a sale on tents this week. Come, join me.

That stretch of West End was wiped away from its historic stock decades ago.

 

So we should be even more vigilant about saving what's left.  No need to just scrape everything clean if it's not really necessary. 

That stretch of West End was wiped away from its historic stock decades ago.

 

So we should be even more vigilant about saving what's left.  No need to just scrape everything clean if it's not really necessary.

 

Agree to disagree.

 

I find otr appealing because of its cohesiveness. It feels like entering a mini Europe with historic buildings every which way you look.

 

The buildings in the West End are literally islands, surrounded by parking lots, empty grassy lots filled with broken liquor bottles, and new structure like the cps school, Stargell stadium, the police station etc.

 

Again, I would fight tooth and nail against this stadium if it meant sacrificing the likes of otr/Pendleton even stretches of the old West End. But we are fighting for is a few historic gems surrounded by an oasis of trash.

 

Also, When the fcc stadium is built it will be the equivalent to Crosley Field in that 100 years, no matter how it looks it will be deemed historic and something that future generations will try to preserve.

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now.

 

MLS is a "major league" in name only.  It is a very distant #5 behind the NHL.  The NFL is 14x bigger than soccer.  Far more Americans (8 million) view a typical regular season Bengals game on TV than the average World Cup game (less than 2 million). 

http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/world-cup-us-ratings-fox-telemundo/

The buildings in the West End are literally islands, surrounded by parking lots,

 

Yeah, infill isn't possible in the West End because...why?  Wade/Bauer is the exact same situation as any number of OTR blocks.  Same with Poplar, Oliver, York, etc. north of Liberty. 

 

Except Crosley Field WASN'T preserved, nor the neighborhood that surrounds it.  In its place we have a major interstate highway and a low-density industrial park.  We lost out on our own Wrigleyville.  No new stadiums have spawned that sort of development, neither will this one.  The likelihood that this new stadium will be revered is remote, but I would love to be proven wrong because of great design and placemaking, the sorts of things that make people care about a building.  I don't have high hopes for that though. 

 

It's not the fault of the remaining buildings that their surroundings have been denuded, and it doesn't make them less deserving of care.  That's why I said they shouldn't be demolished "just because" and there should at least be an attempt to keep what they can.  If something just won't work, ok, but at least make the effort.  This "just tear it all down" mindset is why the scraps of the West End we have are all you'll find left in most cities.  That OTR remains so intact is a miracle, because it happened despite this attitude.  That doesn't make other neighborhoods less worthy. 

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now.

 

MLS is a "major league" in name only.  It is a very distant #5 behind the NHL.  The NFL is 14x bigger than soccer.  Far more Americans (8 million) view a typical regular season Bengals game on TV than the average World Cup game (less than 2 million). 

http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/world-cup-us-ratings-fox-telemundo/

Where was the MLS 10 years ago?  Where do you think it will be in 10 years?  No one is trying to compare it to the NFL but it is quickly gaining on the MLB and NHL which are not at all popular with millennials. 

Except Crosley Field WASN'T preserved, nor the neighborhood that surrounds it.  In its place we have a major interstate highway and a low-density industrial park.  We lost out on our own Wrigleyville.  No new stadiums have spawned that sort of development, neither will this one.  The likelihood that this new stadium will be revered is remote, but I would love to be proven wrong because of great design and placemaking, the sorts of things that make people care about a building.  I don't have high hopes for that though. 

 

It's not the fault of the remaining buildings that their surroundings have been denuded, and it doesn't make them less deserving of care.  That's why I said they shouldn't be demolished "just because" and there should at least be an attempt to keep what they can.  If something just won't work, ok, but at least make the effort.  This "just tear it all down" mindset is why the scraps of the West End we have are all you'll find left in most cities.  That OTR remains so intact is a miracle, because it happened despite this attitude.  That doesn't make other neighborhoods less worthy.

 

My point was that the  fcc stadium will be deemed historic simply because of age and partially design. Historic is relative right? A structure that existed 100 years ago is historic to us, but to those who lived 100 years ago it was just another structure that reflected the times.

 

The future generation of Cincinnati will see the fcc stadium as historic because it will reflect Cincinnati and what it was 100 years ago. Same goes for suburban strip malls. The beauty of history is not necessarily the architecture, but rather the ability to see a glimpse of the past.

 

It’s all relative. We are the future, we are the past. We are time. Time is one.

Where was the MLS 10 years ago?  Where do you think it will be in 10 years?  No one is trying to compare it to the NFL but it is quickly gaining on the MLB and NHL which are not at all popular with millennials. 

 

U.S. TV ratings for the World Cup went down significantly in 2018 as compared to 2014.  MLS TV ratings have actually gone down in some categories over the past 10+ years, despite the expansion of the league.  For example, 2 million people watched the MLS finals in 2001 but only 800,000 in 2017.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer_on_television#Ratings_and_viewers  MLS soccer is still dwarfed by wrestling, despite its downward trend since its peak 15-20 years ago.  If you compare growth of the NFL since the inception of MLS in 1996, the NFL has grown by much, much more. 

 

For my entire life I've been hearing what a big deal soccer is going to be.  It's still not.  It's still not even half as popular as wrestling.   

 

Where was the MLS 10 years ago?  Where do you think it will be in 10 years?  No one is trying to compare it to the NFL but it is quickly gaining on the MLB and NHL which are not at all popular with millennials. 

 

U.S. TV ratings for the World Cup went down significantly in 2018 as compared to 2014.  MLS TV ratings have actually gone down in some categories over the past 10+ years, despite the expansion of the league.  For example, 2 million people watched the MLS finals in 2001 but only 800,000 in 2017.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer_on_television#Ratings_and_viewers  MLS soccer is still dwarfed by wrestling, despite its downward trend since its peak 15-20 years ago.  If you compare growth of the NFL since the inception of MLS in 1996, the NFL has grown by much, much more. 

 

For my entire life I've been hearing what a big deal soccer is going to be.  It's still not.  It's still not even half as popular as wrestling.   

 

 

Breaking news: Jake hates soccer. Of course the Russia World Cup had low ratings in the US. 8 time zones away and the US wasn't playing. Meanwhile here in Cincinnati, FCC attendance is up 19% this year. FCC averaged 21,199 fans a game last year this year they're at 25,230 with 2 home games plus the playoffs still to be played. Look at the tickets available for Sunday's match...there are very few tickets remaining. They were able to renew 50% of the season ticket fan base within the first week renewals went up and will most likely pass 20,000 season tickets next season.

 

Also here are 3 articles for 3 major news outlets with more statistics showing that soccer is becoming a big time sport in this country.

 

USA TODAY: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2018/07/17/world-cup-could-soccer-surpass-baseball-popularity-2026-all-star-game/789223002/

 

FORBES: https://www.forbes.com/sites/filipbondy/2018/01/08/soccer-will-soon-be-americas-third-favorite-spectator-sport/#25ac70e3c537

 

WASHINGTON POST: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/06/07/feature/soccer-in-the-u-s-doesnt-need-a-team-in-the-world-cup-its-already-here-to-stay/

 

We are the future, we are the past. We are time. Time is one.

 

WHOA

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now. This enhances the market for people moving to the area, becoming Cincinnatians, and doing what people do. This babble about historic buildings is silly. If you wanted to keep the damnable buildings you should have bought them. Then hired a few old ladies to do historic building tours and speak like they were from the old country. I bet the tourists from Europe and Asia would flock to see a guided tour of an "OTR near" home built in 1855. i can hardly wait to be the first in line. Dick's has a sale on tents this week. Come, join me.

 

People wonder why Cincinnati is unknown on the national stage.... this is why in spite of you guys having a huge stock of historic housing that is on par with several major us tourist destinations.  This stuff is valuable believe it or not!

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now. This enhances the market for people moving to the area, becoming Cincinnatians, and doing what people do. This babble about historic buildings is silly. If you wanted to keep the damnable buildings you should have bought them. Then hired a few old ladies to do historic building tours and speak like they were from the old country. I bet the tourists from Europe and Asia would flock to see a guided tour of an "OTR near" home built in 1855. i can hardly wait to be the first in line. Dick's has a sale on tents this week. Come, join me.

 

People wonder why Cincinnati is unknown on the national stage.... this is why in spite of you guys having a huge stock of historic housing that is on par with several major us tourist destinations.  This stuff is valuable believe it or not!

 

Agreed - although I prefer Cleveland to Cincinnati (albeit a biased opinion ;) ) what Cincinnati has over Cleveland by leaps and bounds is preserved historic buildings. The rowhomes in Cincinnati are beautiful and allow for great density in up and coming areas like OTR.

 

Beyond that, high density neighborhoods allow for a more special, "English-style" soccer experience. What would be really cool would be if they could incorporate those homes into the facade of the stadium.

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now. This enhances the market for people moving to the area, becoming Cincinnatians, and doing what people do. This babble about historic buildings is silly. If you wanted to keep the damnable buildings you should have bought them. Then hired a few old ladies to do historic building tours and speak like they were from the old country. I bet the tourists from Europe and Asia would flock to see a guided tour of an "OTR near" home built in 1855. i can hardly wait to be the first in line. Dick's has a sale on tents this week. Come, join me.

 

People wonder why Cincinnati is unknown on the national stage.... this is why in spite of you guys having a huge stock of historic housing that is on par with several major us tourist destinations.  This stuff is valuable believe it or not!

 

Agreed - although I prefer Cleveland to Cincinnati (albeit a biased opinion ;) ) what Cincinnati has over Cleveland by leaps and bounds is preserved historic buildings. The rowhomes in Cincinnati are beautiful and allow for great density in up and coming areas like OTR.

 

Beyond that, high density neighborhoods allow for a more special, "English-style" soccer experience. What would be really cool would be if they could incorporate those homes into the facade of the stadium.

 

One of my best friends is a Clevelander. He loves visiting me in Cincinnati. Despite Cleveland and Cincinnati being almost identically sized cities he says the density and historic fabric of OTR makes Cincinnati feel a lot bigger than it is. Imagine if we had preserved our other neighborhoods.

Garage behind Ollie's Trolley for sale for a cool $40k:

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1596160/1605-Central-Ave-Cincinnati-OH-45214

This is interesting. the MLS is not a true ML Sport.  Last year In 2017, the average regular season home attendance of the Cincinnati Reds was 22,677. And this year 2018 the average FC Cincinnati attendance is over 25,000. and they play their matches on a rented field.

 

If you don't want to live across the street from a soccer stadium, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home there. Buy yourself a home in westchester or loveland.

 

 

Maybe the reason Cincinnati is not on the national scene is that it has stagnant growth. Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Phoneix are just a few of the places people are moving. AC, small amount of snow, short winters, long summers.

 

 

In order to make cincy viable again, maybe you need to tear down a few old buildings and bring major leagues sports to town.

People move to cities because of job opportunities.  Raleigh-Durham, Greensboro, Las Vegas, and Austin are doing just fine attracting people without much (or any) major-league sports.  Nashville, Charlotte, Houston, and San Antonio also aren't really any great shakes sports-wise.  It's a nice-to-have secondary consideration, but it's no driver.  We shouldn't be doubling down on something that's of questionable value.  Like major league soccer is going to be "the one" that finally tips the scale?  Come on. 

i didn't say any of those things, but thanks for keeping all your comments negative. Lets make liberty a cow path again. 

i didn't say any of those things, but thanks for keeping all your comments negative. Lets make liberty a cow path again. 

 

You have proven over and over with your comments that you don’t have anything constructive or intelligent to offer the conversaction.  Nothing but angry, condescending and uninformed comments, really.

on the contrary, I have suggested a number of improvements to many threads. Like tear down old useless buildings. And, build beautiful new ones. you seem to just like to argue. thats okay we all have opinions. you see this is how it works, you make a statement about what you think and then someone else gets to say what they think. what a concept. You seem to think that if i disagree with what you think, that is somehow useless. I just see you as uninformed. 

This is interesting. the MLS is not a true ML Sport.  Last year In 2017, the average regular season home attendance of the Cincinnati Reds was 22,677. And this year 2018 the average FC Cincinnati attendance is over 25,000. and they play their matches on a rented field.

 

If you don't want to live across the street from a soccer stadium, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home there. Buy yourself a home in westchester or loveland.

 

 

Maybe the reason Cincinnati is not on the national scene is that it has stagnant growth. Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Phoneix are just a few of the places people are moving. AC, small amount of snow, short winters, long summers.

 

 

In order to make cincy viable again, maybe you need to tear down a few old buildings and bring major leagues sports to town.

 

People like to make the FC Cincinnati/Reds comparison, but it doesn't really hold water.

 

 

1. The Reds are historically bad.  They haven't had this many losses for consecutive seasons since the 1930s.

 

2. The Reds play 81 home games.  This year FC Cincinnati plays 20.

 

3. FC Cincinnati is still a new thing and is on the verge of joining MLS.  Plus they are a winning team right now.

 

4. The last time the Reds made the playoffs, average attendance was over 31,000.  Tickets on average are much more expensive than for a FC Cincinnati game. 

 

on the contrary, I have suggested a number of improvements to many threads. Like tear down old useless buildings. And, build beautiful new ones. you seem to just like to argue. thats okay we all have opinions. you see this is how it works, you make a statement about what you think and then someone else gets to say what they think. what a concept. You seem to think that if i disagree with what you think, that is somehow useless. I just see you as uninformed. 

 

You're pretty bad at trolling.  You're too obvious, so it's not getting anyone worked up. 

on the contrary, I have suggested a number of improvements to many threads. Like tear down old useless buildings. And, build beautiful new ones. you seem to just like to argue. thats okay we all have opinions. you see this is how it works, you make a statement about what you think and then someone else gets to say what they think. what a concept. You seem to think that if i disagree with what you think, that is somehow useless. I just see you as uninformed. 

 

You're pretty bad at trolling.  You're too obvious, so it's not getting anyone worked up. 

 

i consider who will be reading my posts. good copy is written for a sixth grade reading level. 

I think most people here were for FCC in the West End and were happy to hear they wanted to be a part of the urban core for the same reasons many of us here like being in the urban core. The entertainment options, the feel of the dense built environment, the walkability options, ect. I knew things would need to be torn down to accommodate a large stadium, some of them old but that is what happens when progress happens and a big new neighbor moves in. Where FCC is going off the rails in my opinion is by now adopting a more suburban mindset in all the latest press with their desire to have a large campus under their control and seemingly built to capture and cater to people driving into and out of the neighborhood. Im not wanting to revert back to Fur trappers & Indian Mounds down there but I would also prefer not to have a suburban 'bulldoze it all to make it easier for cars' layout either. I think that most people on this site for URBAN appreciation are more towards that range and are expressing  opinions with that as a general guideline.  People here still disagree though, and do it quite often but the disagreements are not usually followed by a juvenile 'I guess you would rather have ye olde bell ringers and tinsmiths and town criers who call out the news about how the new horse drawn trams are going to ruin life for all of the citizens who would prefer the status quo of walking thru horse filth in their Sunday best pantaloons' level of rebuttal. All are welcome, everyone sees things differently but people react better when you turn down the intensity and respond in kind vs the level 11 responses to level 2 disagreements. That kind of thing is what trolls do who just want a reaction and not a discussion.

Where are these FC press releases about wanting "a large campus under their control and seemingly built to capture and cater to people driving into and out of the neighborhood?"  It seems like some people on here are jumping to conclusions before anything is even announced. 

Where FCC is going off the rails in my opinion is by now adopting a more suburban mindset in all the latest press with their desire to have a large campus under their control and seemingly built to capture and cater to people driving into and out of the neighborhood. Im not wanting to revert back to Fur trappers & Indian Mounds down there but I would also prefer not to have a suburban 'bulldoze it all to make it easier for cars' layout either.

We haven't seen an updated site plan yet... so we don't know yet what will happen to the area between the stadium and Liberty. What will be bulldozed, where will structured parking go, where will there be surface parking, what will infill look like? Those are all key questions. It doesn't take a PhD in urban planning to realize they'd be squandering an opportunity if they ended up with a "suburban campus" feel. I hope and believe (until proven otherwise) that they want to be in the West End because they recognize the value of the existing historic, urban fabric. I know I might be proven wrong. But until we see the site plan, I'm going to take them at their word that the reason they preferred the West End over Oakley and Newport is because they want to respect the historic architecture and be integrated to the surrounding neighborhood, and if that's true, their site plan should reflect that. We'll see as the site plan evolves and becomes public, but I don't take it necessarily as a bad sign that they're acquiring properties to the north of the stadium.

^^^^ All true, my fingers are crossed as well. Biggest worry I was alluding to was the possible parking garage at the corner of Liberty & Central. Would really be nice if that was not on the most prominent corner or if it is that it would be a quality looking thing (if that is possible with a modern parking deck style garage).

 

This is interesting. the MLS is not a true ML Sport.  Last year In 2017, the average regular season home attendance of the Cincinnati Reds was 22,677. And this year 2018 the average FC Cincinnati attendance is over 25,000. and they play their matches on a rented field.

 

If you don't want to live across the street from a soccer stadium, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home there. Buy yourself a home in westchester or loveland.

 

 

Maybe the reason Cincinnati is not on the national scene is that it has stagnant growth. Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Phoneix are just a few of the places people are moving. AC, small amount of snow, short winters, long summers.

 

 

In order to make cincy viable again, maybe you need to tear down a few old buildings and bring major leagues sports to town.

 

 

MLS has higher attendance numbers than NBA and NHL so I don't know what you mean by not major league.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/207458/per-game-attendance-of-major-us-sports-leagues/

Councilwoman Tamaya Denard just tweeted that FC Cincinnati paid Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies $20 million for their property at the corner of Liberty & Central.  That seems absurdly high...the actual price paid was likely closer to $2 million than $20 million. 

This article says $25 million:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/09/17/fc-cincinnati-parkifc-cincinnati-parking-garage-property-limbong-garage-property-limbo/1336973002/

 

And of course that scumbag Chris Smitherman got a concrete contract for his brother's concrete company, which he'll no doubt get a kickback from. 

 

 

^ At $25 million it sounds like FC is paying Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies not what their existing building is worth, but what it would cost to build their new building. They probably said they aren't moving unless FC gives them a new building, and that's the price they arrived at.

^^^^ All true, my fingers are crossed as well. Biggest worry I was alluding to was the possible parking garage at the corner of Liberty & Central. Would really be nice if that was not on the most prominent corner or if it is that it would be a quality looking thing (if that is possible with a modern parking deck style garage).

 

 

It would be really nice if they bury the parking or at very least place it in the center of the block similar to the Mercer Parking Garage and surround it with residential/commercial etc. 

This is interesting. the MLS is not a true ML Sport.  Last year In 2017, the average regular season home attendance of the Cincinnati Reds was 22,677. And this year 2018 the average FC Cincinnati attendance is over 25,000. and they play their matches on a rented field.

 

If you don't want to live across the street from a soccer stadium, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home there. Buy yourself a home in westchester or loveland.

 

 

Maybe the reason Cincinnati is not on the national scene is that it has stagnant growth. Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Phoneix are just a few of the places people are moving. AC, small amount of snow, short winters, long summers.

 

 

In order to make cincy viable again, maybe you need to tear down a few old buildings and bring major leagues sports to town.

 

 

MLS has higher attendance numbers than NBA and NHL so I don't know what you mean by not major league.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/207458/per-game-attendance-of-major-us-sports-leagues/

 

there are certain people on this thread that implied that the MLS isn't a true major league team, i.e., that it won't help the city attract businesses, people, popularity. I was referring to those comments. I on the other hand, think the MLS is a great coup for the city. I want the FCC to build where they are building. I want the team to be a great success. I want the city to be vibrant and alive. I want the corner of Liberty and Central Parkway to develop and change. I am not the person who tells others what to think and say. Please have at it. Its not like any of these comments are going to change people with money. As far as paying $20 Mil for that concrete bunker, that is FCCs problem and none of Urban Ohio's concern. If you think this comment is too hyperbolic, i will attempt to tone my language down another notch. I will champion the cause for dull grey midwesterners to stay safe in their myth.