2 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

 

That is mindboggling, given Columbus' enormous size in the context of what we are used to in Ohio.

 

The city limits are large compared to Cincinnati and Cleveland, but the actual density of development as you move out from the CBD is not all that different from the other two Cs, especially the areas north of downtown.

I'm seeing on Twitter that that 880,000 number is only the portions of Columbus within Franklin County

1 minute ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Unfortunately, looks like the 902,500-910,000 crowd was correct in the survey.  Thought we'd be higher.

I am just glad I can now get over the shock of the erroneous 880,000 figure. This is not so bad given the estimate for 2019 was 898,000.  A little below what I expected.

 

So where are the extra 200,000 people in Ohio? We know they are not in Cbus proper...?

1 minute ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Unfortunately, looks like the 902,500-910,000 crowd was correct in the survey.  Thought we'd be higher.

 

I am not disappointed.  The more than 118K growth was the highest of any decade on record, beating the height of annexation years by almost 30K.  And it's blowing away every city in the Midwest or NE outside of New York.  

5 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

I am just glad I can now get over the shock of the erroneous 880,000 figure. This is not so bad given the estimate for 2019 was 898,000.  A little below what I expected.

 

So where are the extra 200,000 people in Ohio? We know they are not in Cbus proper...?

Ill be curious if cities like Newark grew faster than anticipated and gained some of these people?

3 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I am not disappointed.  The more than 118K growth was the highest of any decade on record, beating the height of annexation years by almost 30K.  And it's blowing away every city in the Midwest or NE outside of New York.  

Do we know where we rank? Do we know Charlotte, Jacksonville, Indy, Fort Worth, SF?  We can figure it out from that- I don't think any other city was very close.

 

14 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Do we know where we rank? Do we know Charlotte, Jacksonville, Indy, Fort Worth, SF?  We can figure it out from that- I don't think any other city was very close.

 

 

Not yet, I haven't really looked too much at anywhere but Ohio.  

Some interesting neighborhood results so far looking at Columbus tracts.  So far that I've found, pretty much all of Linden's tracts grew, some by 500 or more.  It's pretty clear that cheaper housing demands played a huge role there.  I will likely find the same story in other parts of the city.

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by jonoh81

From Citydataforums:

 

Columbus keeps it's 14 ranking!

 

Top 11-20 Austin - 978,908 Jacksonville - 911,507 Fort Worth - 909,585 Columbus - 905,748 Charlotte - 885,708 San Francisco - 881,549 Indianapolis - 876,384 Seattle - 753,675 Denver - 727,211 DC - 689,545

Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/general-u-s/3265287-2020-census-results-53.html
 

3 hours ago, Toddguy said:

From Citydataforums:

 

Columbus keeps it's 14 ranking!

 

Top 11-20 Austin - 978,908 Jacksonville - 911,507 Fort Worth - 909,585 Columbus - 905,748 Charlotte - 885,708 San Francisco - 881,549 Indianapolis - 876,384 Seattle - 753,675 Denver - 727,211 DC - 689,545

Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/general-u-s/3265287-2020-census-results-53.html
 

actually they corrected this:

 

Top 11-20 Austin - 961,855 Jacksonville - 949,611 Fort Worth - 918,915 Columbus - 905,748 Indianapolis - 887,642 Charlotte - 874,579 San Francisco - 873,965 Seattle - 737,015 Denver - 715,522 DC - 689,545

Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/general-u-s/3265287-2020-census-results-53.html
 

 

Of those behind us, I think only Charlotte very well might pass us in the next 5-10 years and we should at least maintain our lead over Indy unless something drastic happens. None of the rest are close enough to catch us so I think we will remain in the top 15 for some time. San Francisco is hindered by it's innumerable Nimby's also.

 

I think we moved up from 15th in 2010 to 14th in 2020? We passed Indy and San Francisco but we were only passed by Fort Worth if I am correct.

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by Toddguy

Apparently I had too much time on my hands because I used the available data to put together a spreadsheet of some of the central core neighborhood changes 2010 - 2020. I don't think much is surprising but interesting none-the-less.

 

Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hcZpWUaHoWBVeurhcC9LuJzbSf1uZH6iwqFq8FrdTUE/edit?usp=sharing

5 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Some interesting neighborhood results so far looking at Columbus tracts.  So far that I've found, pretty much all of Linden's tracts grew, some by 500 or more.  It's pretty clear that cheaper housing demands played a huge role there.  I will likely find the same story in other parts of the city.

Yeah now that it is official, I was wondering just where the heck they managed to put 118,000 extra people in Cbus.

Remember how we were discussing Lincoln Village? LOL WCMH website has a story on how Lincoln Village is "one of the hottest real estate markets in the nation!" Apparently homes sell in about 5 days and the census designated 'burb is in serious threat of... gentrification.  Umm....yeah okay lol. 

 

1 hour ago, joshcbus said:

Apparently I had too much time on my hands because I used the available data to put together a spreadsheet of some of the central core neighborhood changes 2010 - 2020. I don't think much is surprising but interesting none-the-less.

 

Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hcZpWUaHoWBVeurhcC9LuJzbSf1uZH6iwqFq8FrdTUE/edit?usp=sharing

Welcome to the board! I will check out that link-thanks for that!  There is never 'too much time on your hands' when it comes to crunching population data for Cbus on this part of the forum!

Going to go ahead and post this here rather than the newer thread.

 

This is a link to the updated population map for Franklin County census tracts.  New maps for pop change and demographics, among others, will be added to my main site page. 

https://arcg.is/1fz4aD

https://allcolumbusdata.com/ohio-census-tract-maps/
 

Just 33 tracts in all of Franklin County lost population out of nearly 300.  

15 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Going to go ahead and post this here rather than the newer thread.

 

This is a link to the updated population map for Franklin County census tracts.  New maps for pop change and demographics, among others, will be added to my main site page. 

https://arcg.is/1fz4aD

https://allcolumbusdata.com/ohio-census-tract-maps/
 

Just 33 tracts in all of Franklin County lost population out of nearly 300.  

Remember when we discussed Lincoln Village and vacant housing units? It added nearly 700 residents and exactly 13 housing units. 185 vacant units are no longer vacant, however.

 

Also West Jefferson lost population as it added only 28 housing units in ten years and filled in only about 35 or so vacant ones  Why don't they build some damn housing-why do the residents fight it so much? The traffic streaming towards Columbus from the warehouses there is lined up for half a mile heading into the downtown area every damn. day. around 5 or 6. 

 

These people here...smh...an embarrassment to the rest of the metro area.

 

*look how it sprawls along 40 and 70 on the map...the biggest red patch in Franklin and all adjacent counties. 

 

https://data.dispatch.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/west-jefferson-village-ohio/160-3983580/

 

Edited August 13, 20213 yr by Toddguy

3 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Remember when we discussed Lincoln Village and vacant housing units? It added nearly 700 residents and exactly 13 housing units. 185 vacant units are no longer vacant, however.

 

Also West Jefferson lost population as it added only 28 housing units in ten years and filled in only about 35 or so vacant ones  Why don't they build some damn housing-why do the residents fight it so much? The traffic streaming towards Columbus from the warehouses there is lined up for half a mile heading into the downtown area every damn. day. around 5 or 6. 

 

These people here...smh...an embarrassment to the rest of the metro area.

 

*look how it sprawls along 40 and 70 on the map...the biggest red patch in Franklin and all adjacent counties. 

 

https://data.dispatch.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/west-jefferson-village-ohio/160-3983580/

 

 

Speaking of housing units, Franklin County added 53,716 during the 2010s. This is the lowest total since the 1940s and the 3rd consecutive decade the number declined. This is surprising given all the push to build more.  

Edited August 13, 20213 yr by jonoh81

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/08/columbus-population-up-151-a-bright-spot-in-census-data-showing-cleveland-some-other-cities-shrinking.html

 

Is it just me, or does the article attempt to explain away Columbus' growth a *little* too hard.  They bring up every single trope and excuse that's ever been made, from annexation (which was not a factor) to area size to OSU.  It also lists the incorrect population growth for the city.

 

49 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/08/columbus-population-up-151-a-bright-spot-in-census-data-showing-cleveland-some-other-cities-shrinking.html

 

Is it just me, or does the article attempt to explain away Columbus' growth a *little* too hard.  They bring up every single trope and excuse that's ever been made, from annexation (which was not a factor) to area size to OSU.  It also lists the incorrect population growth for the city.

 

Big yikes. Pulled out all the apologist defenses 😬

7 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/08/columbus-population-up-151-a-bright-spot-in-census-data-showing-cleveland-some-other-cities-shrinking.html

 

Is it just me, or does the article attempt to explain away Columbus' growth a *little* too hard.  They bring up every single trope and excuse that's ever been made, from annexation (which was not a factor) to area size to OSU.  It also lists the incorrect population growth for the city.

 

 

Unfortunately this is nothing new. Every census release its the same rhetoric from every CLE forum and article, to a lesser extent the CIN people do the same. 

 

I have stopped even entertaining these because ultimately it doesn't matter, people are voting with their feet, and that vote seems to be CBUS and CIN right now. I was ecstatic to see CIN turn things around and CBUS post record growth, and now I want CLE to get their sh*t together too. However, every year a majority of posters and writers seem more focused on explaining why it's not "real growth" or how its being subsidized by them rather than looking at how to create a success story for themselves.

 

Again, people are voting with their feet so none of their reasons really matter or change reality. I will say my favorite trope is the annexation trope while simultaneously saying the county pop grew 160k people... like the county didn't annex sooooo sounds like actual growth. 

Edited August 14, 20213 yr by DevolsDance

On 8/14/2021 at 12:15 PM, DevolsDance said:

 

Unfortunately this is nothing new. Every census release its the same rhetoric from every CLE forum and article, to a lesser extent the CIN people do the same. 

 

I have stopped even entertaining these because ultimately it doesn't matter, people are voting with their feet, and that vote seems to be CBUS and CIN right now. I was ecstatic to see CIN turn things around and CBUS post record growth, and now I want CLE to get their sh*t together too. However, every year a majority of posters and writers seem more focused on explaining why it's not "real growth" or how its being subsidized by them rather than looking at how to create a success story for themselves.

 

Again, people are voting with their feet so none of their reasons really matter or change reality. I will say my favorite trope is the annexation trope while simultaneously saying the county pop grew 160k people... like the county didn't annex sooooo sounds like actual growth. 

I read this and noticed that in this article or a similar one(they had more than one)they listed Cbus population growth at 180,000 and then right after noted that Franklin County grew by 160,000. Sloppy. And yes the same tropes including that Cbus annexed "burghs" or something like that. Cbus annexed undeveloped areas and I would love for that site to list which villages, already developed areas, etc. that Cbus annexed. Cbus did not swallow suburbs. The land got annexed before it was developed as the developers knew they needed Cbus water(at least back in the day). Cbus has had a hard time annexing already developed areas-it failed in several attempts to annex Blacklick Estates and Lincoln Village among other areas. There is a reason that the annexed areas in much of Franklin County are a patchwork. 

 

The only good thing was the lack of comments since that site got rid of them. 

 

Also they talk about Cbus as "sprawl" while not noting how the city is now at 4131 per square mile in density, while Cleveland has dropped to about 4,793-not that huge of a difference. 

 

Also I don't believe you can add any three other cities over 100,000 in Ohio and achieve a combined density that is higher than Cbus. 

 

Cincy/Cleveland/ Toledo: 952,812/236.06 square miles/4036 per square mile

Cincy/Cleveland/Akron: 872,410/217.1 square miles/4018 per square mile.

Columbus: 905,748/219.22 square miles/4131 per square mile.

 

Dayton is less dense than any of the other five.

 

It is sad that they reach for the same'ole same'ole talking points that are increasingly not true.

 

And this is not a knock on the other Ohio cities, this is just sort of setting the record straight-per what comes out of Cleveland.com. 

Edited August 15, 20213 yr by Toddguy

With Ohio going from 11,536,504 to 11,799,448, and Franklin County growing from 1,163,414 to 1,323.807...Franklin County accounted for about 60% of Ohio's population growth. And Columbus accounted for around 74% of Franklin County's growth. 

 

I have noticed in various articles and on various sites that the really impressive growth of Columbus is just not mentioned or discussed much. Even with this, we continue to fly under the radar it appears.

Congrats Cbus for jumping ahead of Indy to become #2 in the Midwest!

 

(Also Cleveland.com is not journalism, please disregard them)

Growing up in Columbus, I was always told the Plain-Dealer was a good paper like the Toledo Blade. Did something happen with them recently or is Cleveland.com worse than the paper?

11 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Growing up in Columbus, I was always told the Plain-Dealer was a good paper like the Toledo Blade. Did something happen with them recently or is Cleveland.com worse than the paper?

Although it seems like Cleveland.com would just be the on-line version of the Plain-Dealer (like www.dispatch.com is the on-line version of the Columbus Dispatch) apparently it isn't.  According to the Plain-Dealer wiki page:

 

"Cleveland.com, which was launched by Advance Publications in 1997, is the sister company of The Plain Dealer.  Cleveland.com has only an online presence, while The Plain Dealer provides a print newspaper only, not a digital edition.  Content from each is cross-posted on the other. ... Though it is under the same ownership as The Plain Dealer, cleveland.com was a separate organization with separate staff and offices."

 

And also from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plain_Dealer#Shrinking_in_the_21st_century

 

"The Plain Dealer reduced home delivery from seven days a week to four: Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.  It continued to publish an edition seven days a week that is available in electronic form at cleveland.com, and in print at stores, newsracks and newsstands.  Subscribers to the four print editions have access to the digital edition seven days a week."

 

"In the early 2000s, The Plain Dealer employed almost 350 reporters and editors;[100] by 2020 their number was zero. The elimination of its entire staff took the form of a series of cuts between 2006 and 2020" (each described at the above wiki link).

 

If any Cleveland area posters want to correct or add to this information, please feel free (and then we'll get back on-topic).

 

For everyone else, please stay on the thread topic of Columbus population trends.

FYI:  The "What will the population of Columbus be according to the upcoming 2020 Census?" thread has been merged into this thread.

As a Cincinnati resident, I hope we don't come off as having sour grapes about the Columbus number.  Particularly on the city side, having the biggest city limits population is something that Cincinnati is never going to have.  I can see why the CLE folks, having once had 900,000 people in the city limits, may have a different perspective or take shots at Columbus in that regard. 

 

On a metro scale, it will be very interesting to see where Columbus and Cincinnati are in ten years.  If they continue the current trajectory, they will be very close (with I assume Columbus slightly larger).  All 3 C's are in interesting territory.  Cleveland has to be pleased to have metro growth (albeit small) return--can they build on it?  Columbus has obviously had incredible growth particularly in Franklin County -- will that growth switch to the suburban counties?  

 

As for Cincinnati, it's great that the city had nice growth and Hamilton County had growth.  If my math is right, this is the first year that the three Ohio collar counties -- Butler, Warren, and Clermont -- have more combined population than Hamilton County.  That makes for a fascinating dynamic.  Heck, with Butler County nearly at 400,000 residents, it will soon start creeping up on some of the other urban counties -- I think it's only about 40,000 residents behind Lucas County now.  

 

In any event, it is good that we had great growth in the Columbus metro, solid growth in the Cincinnati metro, and positive growth in the CLE metro.  For the state to take off we probably need to spread that magic throughout the other metros.  

Columbus will need 1.8 million in the city limits to equal Cleveland's 900K in 1950 number.

3 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Columbus will need 1.8 million in the city limits to equal Cleveland's 900K in 1950 number.

 

Why? Area size?

Relative to the U.S. population at the time.

28 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Relative to the U.S. population at the time.

 

Interesting idea of population "inflation", since that that probably better conveys the "importance" a city of 900k would have had in 1950. On the other hand, it might be better not to reframe Cleveland as having fallen from 1.8M to 372k...

 

(I kind of want to do the same sort of calculation for Cincinnati in the 1800's.)

53 minutes ago, jdm00 said:

Columbus has obviously had incredible growth particularly in Franklin County -- will that growth switch to the suburban counties?  

 

Some of the suburban counties are experiencing larger growth than Franklin County already. Delaware and Union counties were the two fastest growing counties in Ohio over the last decade. Delaware County grew from 174,214 in 2010 to 214,124 in 2020, which is a 22.9% increase. Union County grew from 52,300 to 62,784, which is a 20% increase. For reference, Franklin County grew from 1,163,414 to 1,323,807, which is a 13.8% increase. Fairfield and Licking counties also experienced solid growth, with 8.7% and 7.2% increases respectively. 

 

The population of Madison, Union, Delaware, Licking, Fairfield, and Pickaway counties (Franklin County's bordering counties) account for 34% of the metro area population and 34% of the metro area's population growth. Franklin County accounts for 62% of the metro area's population and 68% of the metro area's growth. The remaining metro area counties are outlying counties that either remained steady or experienced population declines. So, as you can see, Franklin has a slightly larger impact relative to population, but its neighboring counties are holding up their end of the bargain as well.  

45 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Some of the suburban counties are experiencing larger growth than Franklin County already. Delaware and Union counties were the two fastest growing counties in Ohio over the last decade. Delaware County grew from 174,214 in 2010 to 214,124 in 2020, which is a 22.9% increase. Union County grew from 52,300 to 62,784, which is a 20% increase. For reference, Franklin County grew from 1,163,414 to 1,323,807, which is a 13.8% increase. Fairfield and Licking counties also experienced solid growth, with 8.7% and 7.2% increases respectively. 

 

The population of Madison, Union, Delaware, Licking, Fairfield, and Pickaway counties (Franklin County's bordering counties) account for 34% of the metro area population and 34% of the metro area's population growth. Franklin County accounts for 62% of the metro area's population and 68% of the metro area's growth. The remaining metro area counties are outlying counties that either remained steady or experienced population declines. So, as you can see, Franklin has a slightly larger impact relative to population, but its neighboring counties are holding up their end of the bargain as well.  

At least none of the counties immediately bordering Franklin lost population which is nice and yes they held their own collectively. Delaware's growth is impressive as usual. 

 

Now maybe with these numbers they will start to build some more freakin' housing? 

Edited August 17, 20213 yr by Toddguy

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Some of the suburban counties are experiencing larger growth than Franklin County already. Delaware and Union counties were the two fastest growing counties in Ohio over the last decade. Delaware County grew from 174,214 in 2010 to 214,124 in 2020, which is a 22.9% increase. Union County grew from 52,300 to 62,784, which is a 20% increase. For reference, Franklin County grew from 1,163,414 to 1,323,807, which is a 13.8% increase. Fairfield and Licking counties also experienced solid growth, with 8.7% and 7.2% increases respectively. 

 

The population of Madison, Union, Delaware, Licking, Fairfield, and Pickaway counties (Franklin County's bordering counties) account for 34% of the metro area population and 34% of the metro area's population growth. Franklin County accounts for 62% of the metro area's population and 68% of the metro area's growth. The remaining metro area counties are outlying counties that either remained steady or experienced population declines. So, as you can see, Franklin has a slightly larger impact relative to population, but its neighboring counties are holding up their end of the bargain as well.  

 

While the percentages are accurate, I still question the fastest-growing narrative.  Franklin County added 16x the number of people that Union County did and more than 4x that of Delaware, yet they're the fastest-growing?  I love statistics, but this is just one of those times where their use and narrative are lacking.  If we just use percentages, the fastest-growing place in the entire Columbus metro is... Commercial Point.  Does anyone truly believe its growth is more significant than any other place in the metro?

 

 

Edited August 17, 20213 yr by jonoh81

2 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

While the percentages are accurate, I still question the fastest-growing narrative.  Franklin County added 16x the number of people that Union County did and more than 4x that of Delaware, yet they're the fastest-growing?  I love statistics, but this is just one of those times where their use and narrative are lacking.  If we just use percentages, the fastest-growing place in the entire Columbus metro is... Commercial Point.  Does anyone truly believe its growth is more significant than any other place in the metro?

 

 

I agree with this take entirely.  Understanding it's a matter of percentages, but it's hard to say a county that grows by 10,000 people is one of the fastest growing.  That growth is less impressive than things like Franklin County's--or Delaware's, or Warren's, or Butler's, etc. 

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

 

 

The population of Madison, Union, Delaware, Licking, Fairfield, and Pickaway counties (Franklin County's bordering counties) account for 34% of the metro area population and 34% of the metro area's population growth. Franklin County accounts for 62% of the metro area's population and 68% of the metro area's growth. The remaining metro area counties are outlying counties that either remained steady or experienced population declines. So, as you can see, Franklin has a slightly larger impact relative to population, but its neighboring counties are holding up their end of the bargain as well.  

 

With Franklin County making up 62% of the metro as compared to Hamilton County making up 37% of the metro, I think the Franklin impact is far greater than you see in Hamilton County.  Which has pluses and minuses, of course.  

 

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

While the percentages are accurate, I still question the fastest-growing narrative.  Franklin County added 16x the number of people that Union County did and more than 4x that of Delaware, yet they're the fastest-growing?  I love statistics, but this is just one of those times where their use and narrative are lacking.  If we just use percentages, the fastest-growing place in the entire Columbus metro is... Commercial Point.  Does anyone truly believe its growth is more significant than any other place in the metro?

 

 

 

It's all a matter of perspective. When working with statistics, you have to understand the nature of the statistics in order to understand what they are telling you. But at the same time, you can't discount the fact that Delaware County has doubled in population since 2000 simply because it's total population is a million smaller than Franklin County. Go drive around Delaware County and you'll realize the population growth is not mere statistical manipulation. 

 

With that said, your point is exactly why I calculated the percentage of the entire metro population the "suburban counties" makeup and compared that to the percentage of the overall MSA's growth. That shows that they are pulling their own weight when it comes to the overall MSA population growth. Sure, Commercial Point doubling in population doesn't mean much, but if you know Commercial Point makes up .05% of the County's population and accounted for .05% of the County's population growth, you'll have a better understanding of how it really effected the overall population growth relative to its size. 

 

The bad thing about analyzing population figures is that there's no clean and consistent way to measure one area against another. It's the reason we have so many annoying arguments pop up on this forum when we talk about population figures. The best thing to do is to slice and dice things numerous different ways and try to obtain are clearer overall picture with the understanding that there is no perfect comparison or measurement. 

 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It's all a matter of perspective. When working with statistics, you have to understand the nature of the statistics in order to understand what they are telling you. But at the same time, you can't discount the fact that Delaware County has doubled in population since 2000 simply because it's total population is a million smaller than Franklin County. Go drive around Delaware County and you'll realize the population growth is not mere statistical manipulation. 

 

With that said, your point is exactly why I calculated the percentage of the entire metro population the "suburban counties" makeup and compared that to the percentage of the overall MSA's growth. That shows that they are pulling their own weight when it comes to the overall MSA population growth. Sure, Commercial Point doubling in population doesn't mean much, but if you know Commercial Point makes up .05% of the County's population and accounted for .05% of the County's population growth, you'll have a better understanding of how it really effected the overall population growth relative to its size. 

 

The bad thing about analyzing population figures is that there's no clean and consistent way to measure one area against another. It's the reason we have so many annoying arguments pop up on this forum when we talk about population figures. The best thing to do is to slice and dice things numerous different ways and try to obtain are clearer overall picture with the understanding that there is no perfect comparison or measurement. 

 

 

I'm not arguing that the numbers are wrong, or even exactly the claim- if we only use percentages.  The point about Commercial Point is that percentages are sketchy.  1 to 2 is 100% growth, and if there was a place in the metro that had that scenario, it would be called the fastest-growing place with no other context.  I feel like the claims about Delaware County are often missing that necessary context about its true position.  It's a county with less than a quarter of the growth starting from a position that is more than 6x smaller.  Yes, no doubt the population growth there has been significant relative to what it is, but it is not significant whatsoever in comparison to Franklin County.  

 

 

 

Commercial Point is one of the few areas of Pickaway County that allows housing subdivisions so it's growth is distorted by the county's zoning quirks.

13 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I'm not arguing that the numbers are wrong, or even exactly the claim- if we only use percentages.  The point about Commercial Point is that percentages are sketchy.  1 to 2 is 100% growth, and if there was a place in the metro that had that scenario, it would be called the fastest-growing place with no other context.  I feel like the claims about Delaware County are often missing that necessary context about its true position.  It's a county with less than a quarter of the growth starting from a position that is more than 6x smaller.  Yes, no doubt the population growth there has been significant relative to what it is, but it is not significant whatsoever in comparison to Franklin County.  

 

 

 

Delaware is currently the 13th most populated county. If growth rates stayed the same for the next ten years, Delware and Warren county would be neck and neck for  10th place in Ohio. I would call that a significant move and an interesting one to watch over the next few years.  

1 hour ago, Cbusflyer said:

Delaware is currently the 13th most populated county. If growth rates stayed the same for the next ten years, Delware and Warren county would be neck and neck for  10th place in Ohio. I would call that a significant move and an interesting one to watch over the next few years.  

 

Yes, I agreed its growth was significant relative to its size.  I'm not discounting that.  I just place no real value on percentage growth over actual numbers of people.  I'm one of those who sees New York's 600,000 new people and modest 7.7% increase as more significant than say, Houston's 200,000 new people and 10% increase or Phoenix's 150,000 new people and 11% increase or Charlotte's 143,000 new people and 20% increase.  Feet on the ground matter more than a relative increase from a lower starting point.  Percentages don't pay taxes, don't require housing, don't demand amenities or transit, don't add congestion to infrastructure, don't open restaurants and businesses, don't add culture, don't commit crime, etc.     

The zoning laws of the northern Delaware County townships may not be as favorable toward subdivision housing as the southern ones. That would drive growth toward Union and Licking Counties. Violet and Bloom Townships in Fairfield County are favorable to subdivisions but I don't think the rest are. Now you do have some Big Darby Accord rules being relaxed in SW Franklin County.

23 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

The zoning laws of the northern Delaware County townships may not be as favorable toward subdivision housing as the southern ones. That would drive growth toward Union and Licking Counties. Violet and Bloom Townships in Fairfield County are favorable to subdivisions but I don't think the rest are. Now you do have some Big Darby Accord rules being relaxed in SW Franklin County.

Well it is probably good that growth may be squeezed a bit in northern Delaware County-maybe they will build more "relatively" dense stuff in the southern part?

 

I don't see them putting in anything past Alton Rd. really or anything west of Hellbranch run south of that...do you have any specifics?  They have started that development of around 400 units(mostly apartments)just west of the Galloway Kroger, but the other subdivision west of the Summerlyn subdivision has had no action at all. 

 

I have my doubts that any kind of "town center" will be developed at the 40/Murnan Rd. intersection like I think they planned at one time.  Grove City seems to be moving south and even southeast.

 

West Jeff has approved that nearly 1,000 unit housing complex south of 40 and east of 142, put in the infrastructure(extended the sewer/water lines under the 40 bridge) for it and annexed the land, but who knows if that will come about. 

 

It seems like the pressure to develop is more north of 70-better school districts, etc. 

I don't have specifics on the Darby restrictions. 

50 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

I don't have specifics on the Darby restrictions. 

Oh ok I thought maybe you had some new info.

Not sure if this is the best thread for this article, but per the Dispatch, Downtown Columbus has (finally) officially reached a population of over 10K:

 

Downtown Columbus population tops 10,000, but will it continue to rise if workers stay home?

Mark Ferenchik

The Columbus Dispatch

 

Downtown Columbus' population more than doubled over the past decade, hitting and surpassing the 10,000 mark, according to 2020 population figures recently released by the U.S. Census Bureau .

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/08/18/downtown-columbus-supporters-say-population-growth-there-continuedowntown-columbus-population-double/8120908002/

It would be interesting to know how many people who live Downtown actually work there.  I am not sure it would be as high as some might assume, but I could be wrong.

2 hours ago, CMHOhio said:

Not sure if this is the best thread for this article, but per the Dispatch, Downtown Columbus has (finally) officially reached a population of over 10K:

 

Downtown Columbus population tops 10,000, but will it continue to rise if workers stay home?

Mark Ferenchik

The Columbus Dispatch

 

Downtown Columbus' population more than doubled over the past decade, hitting and surpassing the 10,000 mark, according to 2020 population figures recently released by the U.S. Census Bureau .

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/08/18/downtown-columbus-supporters-say-population-growth-there-continuedowntown-columbus-population-double/8120908002/

The people interviewed in the article were pretty upbeat about the number of residents continuing to rise. Also they said there were 1300 units already under construction(not counted proposed)so that would bring the number to about 12,000. 

 

This was actually a nice little article from the Dispatch. And Damn, I remember the Dispatch of the 70's and 80's so it is a lot for me to give them any credit even now.  :) 

 

Thanks for posting it.

3 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

It would be interesting to know how many people who live Downtown actually work there.  I am not sure it would be as high as some might assume, but I could be wrong.

 

Me neither, I bet a lot of them have to drive to Dublin/Worthington/Westerville/Polaris/Easton to work.

5 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

 

Me neither, I bet a lot of them have to drive to Dublin/Worthington/Westerville/Polaris/Easton to work.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them are remote work. That’s the best option for downtown living. 

Commuting in the opposite direction of the general flow of traffic is nice, unless you have to go on 270, of course.

Top 20 Franklin County Census Tracts with the Highest Densities in 2020

1. 1121: 34,888.8

2. 1810: 28,351.1

3. 1302: 24,740.7

4. 1301: 20,549.1

5. 17: 20,158.6

6. 12: 20,069.6

7. 1110: 18,353.2

8. 10: 16,260.2

9. 16: 12,675.6

10. 6992: 12,451.9

11. 6933: 12,197.2

12. 21: 12,196.7

13. 20: 12,134.8

14. 7553: 11,033.6

15. 22: 10619.3

16. 8163: 10,389.0

17. 6352: 10,347.4

18. 6: 10,107.3

19. 47: 10,025.2

20. 4810: 9,602.5

All but 1 of the top 20 tracts with the highest densities are within 270.

 

Top 20 Tract Density Increases 2010-2020

1. 1121: +14,031.7

2. 17: +6,638.6

3. 8321: +5,939.8

4. 4002: +5,354.7

5. 16: +3,823.0

6. 6992: +3,781.9

7. 22: +3,763.7

8. 8230: +3,306.8

9. 1901: +3,158.6

10. 21: +3,156.7

11. 6933: +3,133.4

12. 7214: +2,626.2

13. 32: +2,561.7

14. 6372: +2,328.0

15. 7830: +2,195.5

16. 7209: +1,868.7

17. 7532: +1,785.0

18. 7553: +1,783.6

19. 7721: +1,676.4

20. 9230: +1,654.1

18 of the top 20 fastest densifying are also within 270.

 

Tract Density Breakdown

          2010---2020

30K+: 0-------1

25K+: 1--------2

20K+: 3-------6

15K+: 6-------8

10K+: 8------19

9K+: 16------24

8K+: 25------40

7K+: 38------60

6K+: 59------85

5K+: 83-----130

4K+: 110----179

3K+: 125----226

2K+: 138----267

1K+: 152----303

500+: 156---316

1K+: 156-----324

Because the total number of tracts increased, it's not a direct comparison, but there was still an obvious density increase across the board.

To show this in a different way, here is the total population living in Franklin County tracts by density.

          2010---------2020

30K+: 0---------12,131

25K-29,999: 11,017----4,324

20K-24,999: 7,300----15,137

15K-19,999: 14,340----9,364

10K-14,999: 5,956----43,181

9K-9,999: 26,893-----17,803

8K-8,999: 35,406-----70,861

7K-7,999: 45,888-----80,084

6k-6,999: 96,802----92,064

5K-5,999: 90,735----173,855

4K-4,999: 147,095----195,439

3K-3,999: 223,785----199,410

2K-2,999: 191,724-----191,454

1K-1,999: 164,684-----137,001

500-999: 47,217------49,494

1-499: 34,019-------25,235

 

Cumulative Population Per Density

2010------------2020

30K+: 0-----------12,131

25K+: 11,017------16,455

20K+: 18,317------31,592

15k+: 32,657------40,956

10K+: 38,613------84,137

9K+: 65,506-------101,940

8K+: 100,912------172,801

7K+: 146,800------252,885

6K+: 243,602------344,949

5K+: 334,337-----518,804

4K+: 481,432-----714,243

3K+: 705,217-----913,653

2K+: 896,941-----1,105,107

1K+: 1,061,625----1,242,108

1+: 1,142,861-----1,316,837