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I'm not sure we ever published it, because I can't find it on the site now, but probably five years ago UrbanCincy wrote a post about how Linn Street should have been dramatically narrowed when City West was built, and that not doing so was a gigantic missed opportunity. It's unfortunate that it took another decade and multiple fatalities for this to finally happen.

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Awful. Linwood needs a serious traffic calming project. There is 1 (!) striped crossing from Linwood/Observatory until you get to Mt. Lookout Square. Roughly half a mile in either direction from the striped Paxton/Linwood intersection to another crosswalk. Thats unacceptable. 

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Potential for a big step forward here:

 

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In the $1.5 trillion Federal appropriations bill that was passed yesterday, the City of Madeira received $3,397,799 for their "Miami Ave Revitalization & Complete Streets Project." It was sponsored by both Wenstrup and Brown. They already received $3,585,391 from SORTA's Transit Infrastructure Fund. This funding combined puts them at almost $7 million which is way above the projected cost of $5.2 million in their TIF application. It was the second lowest scoring project.

9 minutes ago, Dev said:

In the $1.5 trillion Federal appropriations bill that was passed yesterday, the City of Madeira received $3,397,799 for their "Miami Ave Revitalization & Complete Streets Project." It was sponsored by both Wenstrup and Brown. They already received $3,585,391 from SORTA's Transit Infrastructure Fund. This funding combined puts them at almost $7 million which is way above the projected cost of $5.2 million in their TIF application. It was the second lowest scoring project.

Do you have design details on what the project would do?

16 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Do you have design details on what the project would do?


Yes, actually! The city has a landing page on their website. It includes an executive summary, full report, and rendering video. The full report is really good and has the detailed site plan documentation. The community preferred off-street bike infrastructure and wanted to maintain on-street parking so the extra space is given to the sidewalks. They are also going to have a raised intersection. It looks really good!

There are a couple other videos on the engineer's YouTube page.

^Those are gonna be great improvements to Madeira's business district. 

NGL, I really don't like the flashing beacons on either end. They only seem to be somewhat useful but if they don't have a lot of current crossings, I can see why'd they go with that instead of something better, like a raised crosswalk.

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This seems like a great way to normalize traffic calming

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Another small step that could have a huge long-term impact.

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On 6/7/2022 at 3:50 PM, CBustoCincy said:

I would love to see the city invest in as many deterrents as possible to slow traffic and make it harder for people to drive. As far as the busses, I'd be supportive of moving bus routes to Sycamore, a block away since it is already a two-way road, and closing a section of Main permanently. 

I'm going to put a reply to this from the OTR thread re: Main St over here. I'm not sure that making it harder for people to drive in the core and making transit less efficient are working toward the same end goal. 

 

For example, this ignores that Sycamore is only two-way north of Central. In this type of scenario, the #17 would go up Main from Gov't Sq, turn right onto Central, almost immediately turn left onto Sycamore, turn left onto Liberty, turn right onto McMicken. That's a lot of turns on streets with lengthy signals and substantial traffic. Sure, you could convert all of Sycamore to two-way and proceed there from Gov't Sq, but that means missing the bus only lane in favor of travelling essentially through the justice center and surface lots. Others suggested that a two-way Walnut conversion would cover it, but in isolation it would still slow things down - maybe if Walnut is two-way and there is a bus-only east-west segment to get back to Walnut from Main after Government Square, or other priority added, but turns and additional lights in downtown traffic can really slow buses down and make it harder to transition to the narrower curb radii we want. 

 

Could Main become a transit, bike, delivery, and pedestrian-only corridor instead of closure? I wonder if some elements of the Telegraph for People proposal in Berkeley could be used for Main: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YAn-HzsJAl0ui60eZNt-bE1B0VJgvJ9z/view  

 

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Cheviot is working on a road diet for their section of Harrison. Public feedback is open until June 30th. Question and comment meeting tonight at 6 on Zoom. There is also a YouTube video going over all the suggestions.

 

The plan makes on-street parking legal 24/7 on both sides and calls for marking the individual spots. It also features a raised intersection and two raised crosswalks. There will be a stamped median to reduce illegal passing through the continuous left turn lane. Bus stops will consolidated and be given pull-offs

On 6/21/2022 at 3:52 PM, Dev said:

Cheviot is working on a road diet for their section of Harrison. Public feedback is open until June 30th. Question and comment meeting tonight at 6 on Zoom. There is also a YouTube video going over all the suggestions.

 

The plan makes on-street parking legal 24/7 on both sides and calls for marking the individual spots. It also features a raised intersection and two raised crosswalks. There will be a stamped median to reduce illegal passing through the continuous left turn lane. Bus stops will consolidated and be given pull-offs

Proposal looks great! The video says the project (design and construction) is fully funded through a "safety grant from the Ohio Department of Transportation". I'm glad to see small municipalities like Cheviot going for those kinds of funds! 

30 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Proposal looks great! The video says the project (design and construction) is fully funded through a "safety grant from the Ohio Department of Transportation". I'm glad to see small municipalities like Cheviot going for those kinds of funds! 


Matt Butler from Devou Good has thrown some cold water onto the proposal. Apparently, ODOT blocked the city from adding all of the raised crosswalks Westwood wanted along Harrison. They only approved funding for one at Ruehlmen in front of Westwood Town Hall and West Side Brewing. I'm not sure if this is because of cost or perceived need but it's not a state or US route so it's not that.

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Mel McVay from the City's DOTE sent out this email to Community Councils last week regarding proposals for major street/intersection (at least 5,000 cars per day) pedestrian improvements. If you have any proposals, reach out to your respective community council soon since proposals must be received before August 26. (If you have a specific proposal for Over-the-Rhine, let me know.)

 

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Hello,

 I’m reaching out to let you know that the city will once again be accepting requests for pedestrian safety improvements for 2023.

Each community council may submit up to two locations for consideration for traffic calming/pedestrian safety. This program is for “major” streets carrying more than 5,000 cars a day. If you are interested in requesting speed humps on a smaller residential street, please contact [email protected]. If you are unsure which program to apply for, feel free to reach out and I will point you in the right direction.

 The locations you submit for consideration should be no more than ¼ mile long, or you can send a specific address or intersection. It’s also helpful to include a short sentence for each location explaining why traffic calming should be prioritized here. For example, is the location adjacent to a school or community center, or on a heavily traveled walking route to a popular destination? Funding is limited, so this is a competitive program. Your request will be scored based on speed data and the presence of or proximity to pedestrians.

 Please discuss this with your community and respond to me with your top 2 priority locations as soon as possible, but no later than Friday August 26, 2022. Requests received after August 26, 2022 will not be considered.
 

 

4 hours ago, jwulsin said:

Mel McVay from the City's DOTE sent out this email to Community Councils last week regarding proposals for major street/intersection (at least 5,000 cars per day) pedestrian improvements. If you have any proposals, reach out to your respective community council soon since proposals must be received before August 26. (If you have a specific proposal for Over-the-Rhine, let me know.)

 

 

Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Where would I find the contact for West End? I will happily submit something for Linn/Bank/Central.

On 7/22/2022 at 9:46 AM, jwulsin said:

Mel McVay from the City's DOTE sent out this email to Community Councils last week regarding proposals for major street/intersection (at least 5,000 cars per day) pedestrian improvements. If you have any proposals, reach out to your respective community council soon since proposals must be received before August 26. (If you have a specific proposal for Over-the-Rhine, let me know.)

 

 


Well that's not good. The email we got stated September 30th was the deadline. All of the rest of the wording is exactly the same. Weird.

21 hours ago, Dcs3939 said:

Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Where would I find the contact for West End? I will happily submit something for Linn/Bank/Central.


Their President is also on Twitter. I can send you his profile on the outside chance they other contacts don't work.

 

Following two of my neighbors (see them every day walking my dog. The adult daughter just pet my dog last week) being struck last night in a hit and run at Hamilton and Pullan, Mark Jeffreys is calling to repeal the ban on speed/traffic cameras. On Hamilton Avenue, impatient drivers are commonly seen passing on the right and speeding after the light at Chase and Pullan.

 

It looks like the ball is in the Northside Community Council's court to decide on the project area for several blocks of Hamilton Avenue. In my opinion every intersection from Spring Grove Avenue to Bruce Ave needs bump outs. And every neighborhood in the city needs speed limit enforcement.

It's been explained to me that the local chapter of the NAACP is against repeal of the ATE ban. The pedestrian safety meeting at City Hall last month hosted by Iris Roley indicates that CPD is also against ATE due to racial bias in other US cities.

 

The other issue is the budget impacts of ATE since state law deducts contributions to the local government fund. I am a little worried that a lot of political capital will be spent to undo the ban, only for nothing to change because it can't get properly funded.

 

In any case, the conversation needs to happen. The upside for Cincinnati always being 20 years behind everyone else is that other people made the mistakes we can avoid.

I've heard the same thing. There must be a compromise. You think you live in a big enough city until the last two hit and runs in your neighborhood are people you see almost every day.

Tomorrow morning, DOTE is presenting an update on the pedestrian safety program at the Public Safety & Governance committee meeting. Here are the bullet points from the slide deck:

  • Planning
    • Collecting priority pedestrian safety requests from every community council – due 9/30.
    • Creating mini “neighborhood transportation plans” for every neighborhood.
    • Reducing the speed limit to 25mph in all NBDs.
    • Reviewing all NBDs for 24-hour parking.
    • Working with Devou Good on privately funded near-term improvements to North Bend Rd and Hamilton Ave (protected bike lanes, curb extensions).
    • Developing right-sized street design options to calm traffic on North Bend, Beekman, and Warsaw (in coordination with street rehabilitation).
    • Awarded State grant funding for 2 raised crosswalks on Harrison Ave in the Westwood NBD.
  • Construction
    • Launched a pilot project to test the use of concrete blocks in creating traffic calming “pinch points.”
    • Installing speed cushions (asphalt and rubber) on 13 streets.
    • Installing centerline hardening at 11 intersections.
    • Installed City’s first painted curb extensions in East Westwood.
    • City’s first “pre-formed” thermoplastic colored curb extensions will be installed in August in the West End.
    • City’s first colored crosswalk will be installed in August in Lower Price Hill.

And I forgot another one. Today at the Budget Committee meeting, DOTE dropped their list of potential applications for this year's round of the SORTA Transportation Infrastructure Grant. I believe they will only apply for 4 or 5, I can't remember the total ,and if WHV counts against it.

 

A. Anderson Ferry Drive Landslide:

  • Landslide correction
  • Includes new walk
  • Total construction cost is approximately $850,000
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

B. Art Museum Drive:

  • Landslide correction
  • Includes new guardrail to meet park standard
  • Includes new walk
  • Total construction cost is approximately $1,000,000
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

C. CTCS – OTR Fiber Project:

  • Install/upgrade the Traffic Control System to Fiber Optic
  • Total construction is approximately $10,500,000

D. Erie & Rossyln Safety Improvement:

  • Realignment of the Erie/Rosslyn intersection to remove slip lanes
  • New traffic signal
  • Rehabilitation of Erie Avenue from Red Bank Road to Saybrook Avenue
  • Total construction cost is TBD
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

E. Fairbanks & Delhi Safety Improvement:

  • Rehabilitation of Fairbanks Avenue and Delhi Avenue
  • Landslide correction
  • Realignment of the Fairbanks/Delhi intersection
  • Safety improvements throughout the project limits
  • Total construction is approximately $3,500,000

F. Jefferson Avenue Rehabilitation:

  • Rehabilitation from MLK Boulevard to Calhoun Street
  • Pedestrian safety improvements at Jefferson/Corry intersection
  • Total construction is approximately $3,000,000
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

G. Second Street Structure Repair:

  • Repair of the joints on Second Street over the Transit Center
  • Total construction cost is TBD
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

H. 7 th Street Signal and Lighting Project:

  • Project will replace failing traffic signal and street lighting infrastructure on 7th Street from Vine to Walnut and Vine Street between 7th and 8th Streets
  • Total construction cost is TBD
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

I. Wasson Way – Dana/Idlewild Crossing:

  • Project will realign Idlewild Avenue approach to Dana Avenue
  • Total construction cost is TBD
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

J. W. 8th Street – Lower Price Hill Improvements:

  • Installation of a traffic signal at W. 8th Street and Depot Street
  • Pedestrian safety improvements along W. 8th Street
  • Total construction cost is TBD
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs
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Jefferson Avenue Rehabilitation:

  • Rehabilitation from MLK Boulevard to Calhoun Street
  • Pedestrian safety improvements at Jefferson/Corry intersection
  • Total construction is approximately $3,000,000
  • Design and local match will come from existing and future capital programs

Aside from the Jefferson/Corry intersection "pedestrian safety" improvements, is there any discussion about slowing traffic down on Jefferson Ave? I bike along this stretch twice daily, and I worry the City and UC think that the "multiuse" path on the west side of Jefferson is sufficient for bikes and pedestrians (it's not), and therefore there's they don't feel any urgency to slow down traffic on Jefferson. It would be a real missed opportunity to rehab that street and continue to encourage excessive speed along this crucial area. 

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

Aside from the Jefferson/Corry intersection "pedestrian safety" improvements, is there any discussion about slowing traffic down on Jefferson Ave? I bike along this stretch twice daily, and I worry the City and UC think that the "multiuse" path on the west side of Jefferson is sufficient for bikes and pedestrians (it's not), and therefore there's they don't feel any urgency to slow down traffic on Jefferson. It would be a real missed opportunity to rehab that street and continue to encourage excessive speed along this crucial area. 


DOTE released the next bike plan update survey which was for Uptown. There is no suggested project for Jefferson so that's probably it but you should add that to your comments.

On 7/29/2022 at 10:17 AM, Dev said:

It's been explained to me that the local chapter of the NAACP is against repeal of the ATE ban. The pedestrian safety meeting at City Hall last month hosted by Iris Roley indicates that CPD is also against ATE due to racial bias in other US cities.

 

The other issue is the budget impacts of ATE since state law deducts contributions to the local government fund. I am a little worried that a lot of political capital will be spent to undo the ban, only for nothing to change because it can't get properly funded.

 

In any case, the conversation needs to happen. The upside for Cincinnati always being 20 years behind everyone else is that other people made the mistakes we can avoid.

I suspect CPD is against it because it would reduce the amount of time officers could justify sitting in their cars on the side of the road doing nothing and put more pressure on them to do more difficult work that can't be automated.

 

I also suspect the NAACP would be persuadable if there is a strong effort to make implementation equitable. Law enforcement is disproportionately burdensome to minorities (to say the least), but so is traffic violence.

 

9 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

This seems to be the funding to redo Central Parkway by TQL stadium.

 

https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-announces-20-million-raise-grant-city-cincinnati


This is for West 8th from State to Linn, and Linn Street from West 8th to Central. It forms a backwards L.

From the ordinance passed earlier this year authorizing the submission:
 

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This project will include right-sizing Linn Street from Central Parkway to West 8th Street and West 8th Street from Linn Street to downtown, creating and improving 
bicycle connections on West 8th Street from Linn Street to downtown, installing streetscape and pedestrian safety improvements along State Avenue, and other projects suitable to fulfill 
the grant purpose.


Those pieces of West 8th and Linn Street are collectively ~2.5 miles long. Portman's announcement states that it's 3 segments that are 3.5 miles long. Taking West 8th to Plum, where it's actually West 9th Street, would be another half mile. State Street from Gest to River Road is also about a half mile.

This is great news. Excited to see traffic calming on Linn also. 

As a reminder, here is the city's page for Linn Street improvements. 3 public engagement sessions have been held so far but I don't think they have released the final alternative. The last meeting did show the full layout of 3 alternatives from Court to Dayton.

Update on project scope:

 

^On the one hand, I'm disappointed that the scope of work does not include State Avenue in LPH, but on the other I'm pleasantly surprised that the work on Linn Street will go past the 6th Street viaduct.

Things seemingly going well...commenters blaming streeteries. Unbelievable.

 

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How do you even go fast enough on that street to cause that damage? You basically have to floor it and just go straight into the eatery. It makes no sense. People shouldn't be allowed to drive ever again after stuff like this.

Or just do what my street here in Queens is doing in its revamp into a street that doesn't allow through traffic, becoming simply drop off streets that are primarily for people, not cars. Put big ass granite blocks in the locations you want to stop cars. You can make them look nice, make them a seating and design element, and those WILL stop a car.

Yeah it's a shame that the streateries program didn't start until about a year after the latest Main Street streetscaping project was done. Would have been way better if they could have permanently extended the concrete sidewalk and added some bollards that would actually stop cars, because these wooden streateries clearly don't.

On 8/16/2022 at 2:11 PM, jmicha said:

How do you even go fast enough on that street to cause that damage? You basically have to floor it and just go straight into the eatery. It makes no sense. People shouldn't be allowed to drive ever again after stuff like this.

As the World Bollard Association would say, "Patience is a virtue."

 

 

There's truly something for everyone (including bollards) LOL!

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

 

 

In case you hadn't heard, Pete Metz is chair of the Green Cincinnati Plan's Mobility Subcommittee. The first meeting is to refresh the high level stuff and the second will help drill it down into actionable goals for the city's 2023 update to the plan.

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On 8/16/2022 at 2:22 PM, taestell said:

Apparently @seicerdoesn't like the streateries? 

 

 

Generally, no. I am not a fan of temporary pop-up spaces to dine. I was a bit jaded after seeing so many shacks on streets in New York City over the pandemic. Some were not even in front of restaurants (and were in effect food trucks with seating), and a few were two-stories (accessible by ladders or temporary staircases - how they got food up on a few of them was a mystery). And nearly all of them had little to no protection from automobiles, buses, or trucks which is kind of necessary if the outdoor dining area is out in the roadway. High sidewalks and curbing and bollards at least afford some protection and structure to outdoor dining, and are more aesthetically pleasing (my opinion).

 

On the other hand, outdoor dining can inhibit accessible sidewalk design. Perhaps not as evident in Cincinnati with their fairly wide sidewalk design, but it can be pretty difficult to walk or wheel around outdoor dining setups if the sidewalk is narrowed to an inconsiderate width. If there is that much demand for outdoor dining, then the sidewalks should be expanded to provide additional seating.

 

Wait until you hear my opinions on parkettes 😉

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28 minutes ago, seicer said:

Generally, no. I am not a fan of temporary pop-up spaces to dine. I was a bit jaded after seeing so many shacks on streets in New York City over the pandemic. Some were not even in front of restaurants (and were in effect food trucks with seating), and a few were two-stories (accessible by ladders or temporary staircases - how they got food up on a few of them was a mystery). And nearly all of them had little to no protection from automobiles, buses, or trucks which is kind of necessary if the outdoor dining area is out in the roadway. High sidewalks and curbing and bollards at least afford some protection and structure to outdoor dining, and are more aesthetically pleasing (my opinion).

 

On the other hand, outdoor dining can inhibit accessible sidewalk design. Perhaps not as evident in Cincinnati with their fairly wide sidewalk design, but it can be pretty difficult to walk or wheel around outdoor dining setups if the sidewalk is narrowed to an inconsiderate width. If there is that much demand for outdoor dining, then the sidewalks should be expanded to provide additional seating.

 

Wait until you hear my opinions on parkettes 😉

 

I am genuinely confused by what you're trying to say about the streateries in Cincinnati. Are you saying a) that you wish the streeteries hadn't been put up, b) that you want them to be taken down, c) that the engineered steel boxes (designed to withstand impact from cars going the speed limit) should be more robust, d) that you wish the City had the funds to do permanent sidewalk extensions, or e) you're just trolling.

 

Also, clarify if you are conflating Cincinnati's streateries with the two-story "shacks" you mention seeing in NYC.

 

For reference, here are are some photos of the streateries in Cincinnati:

https://www.3cdc.org/project/streateries/

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