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^ The Kassouff's are parking operators first and foremost.  I might feel better if just about anyone else made this purchase.

 

Fair point but a landlord who makes any effort to attract tenants would be a huge upgrade. My company asked for a proposal for leasing 4,000 sqf in the Tower last year and it wasn't remotely competitive. Clearly they weren't investing in the property.

 

In terms of parking, UO member don't want to hear it but most downtown workers want to drive. Adding parking by converting zombie retail space isn't a bad thing.

 

I remain optimistic but it's not just their role as parking operators that makes me leery of the Kassoufs.  But I'll just leave it at that.

The entrance to the underground parking is off Lakeside.

 

I know little about parking, but wasn't there an underground entrance from Rockwell too (One Cleveland)?

One Cleveland Center has its own garage with an entrance on Rockwell and on Saint Clair. There is an underground pedestrian passage between the garage under the Galleria and One Cleveland Center’s lobby.

Thanks for the clarification. I have never parked in either of the garages. Maybe at one point it could handle car access (see ramp in pic):

 

unrelated observation edit: What a handsome 6ish story building where Perk Park is now.

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In terms of parking, UO members don't want to hear it but most downtown workers want to drive. Adding parking by converting zombie retail space isn't a bad thing. The garage entrance is off E. 12th

 

If downtown was designed more so for pedestrians, bikes and transit, thereby making a more attractive downtown, I doubt that most downtown workers would want to drive. Seattle, for example, has done remarkable things to make its downtown more human scale and improve non-auto access. It was rewarded by having 50 percent of its CBD workers commute by transit. Cleveland doesn't even have a protected bike lane yet and has cut more transit service than any major city in the 2000s. Too many of its sidewalks are lined with brutalist, pedestrian-impenetrable walls. Adding driveways off major thoroughfares will worsen the pedestrian experience. If you design your downtown for cars, you get cars. And they make your downtown inhospitable. If you design your downtown for people, they will use your sidewalks and make downtown a joy to stroll in. That's why I'm opposed to having a driveway off East 9th.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On another matter, is there going to be enough office space left in this tower, post-renovation into apartments, restaurants, etc., to accommodate all existing office tenants as well their potential needs for expansion? I'm thinking especially of aircraft components manufacturer TransDigm, which has a market cap of $19 billion and growing as it acquires other companies and grows organically. So far this year alone, TransDigm has acquired Kirkhill Aerospace, Extant Components and Skandia.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Pure speculation on my part but my guess is both the large law firms will be out that building soon. A lot of large firms recently upgraded their space and I would expect Weston Hurd/Walter Haverfield to continue that trend.

I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but where are the current vehicular entries to the underground parking? I did a quick streetview walk around the perimeter of the complex and don't think I saw a single curb cut.

 

The parking entrance if off Lakeside.

 

That section of Lakeside is a tragedy lol.

On another matter, is there going to be enough office space left in this tower, post-renovation into apartments, restaurants, etc., to accommodate all existing office tenants as well their potential needs for expansion? I'm thinking especially of aircraft components manufacturer TransDigm, which has a market cap of $19 billion and growing as it acquires other companies and grows organically. So far this year alone, TransDigm has acquired Kirkhill Aerospace, Extant Components and Skandia.

 

Per their last annual report, as of 9/30/17 TransDigm only leased 20K sf of space for its Cleveland HQ. Not sure these sorts of holding companies really need all that much HQ space.

 

Per their last annual report, as of 9/30/17 TransDigm only leased 20K sf of space for its Cleveland HQ. Not sure these sorts of holding companies really need all that much HQ space.

 

But I don't care about their best interest. I want them to change their corporate structure for the best interest of Cleveland.  :P

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

From the Crain's Cleveland Article , the guy who did this video is part of the purchasing group.  Not to say we'll see anything near this, but this was their intent as of last winter.

 

^ The Kassouff's are parking operators first and foremost.  I might feel better if just about anyone else made this purchase.

 

Fair point but a landlord who makes any effort to attract tenants would be a huge upgrade. My company asked for a proposal for leasing 4,000 sqf in the Tower last year and it wasn't remotely competitive. Clearly they weren't investing in the property.

 

In terms of parking, UO members don't want to hear it but most downtown workers want to drive. Adding parking by converting zombie retail space isn't a bad thing. The garage entrance is off E. 12th

 

Not all downtown workers want to drive. But transit doesn’t hold up. Unless you live by a nice park n ride or in the heights by rail it isn’t feasible. Downtown really doesn’t need more parking, but it is what it is. Cleveland has made strides in preventing street level/empty walls of parking. I’m not familiar with the stouffers space though...if it faces a street or not?

 

In terms of parking, UO members don't want to hear it but most downtown workers want to drive. Adding parking by converting zombie retail space isn't a bad thing. The garage entrance is off E. 12th

 

If downtown was designed more so for pedestrians, bikes and transit, thereby making a more attractive downtown, I doubt that most downtown workers would want to drive. Seattle, for example, has done remarkable things to make its downtown more human scale and improve non-auto access. It was rewarded by having 50 percent of its CBD workers commute by transit. Cleveland doesn't even have a protected bike lane yet and has cut more transit service than any major city in the 2000s. Too many of its sidewalks are lined with brutalist, pedestrian-impenetrable walls. Adding driveways off major thoroughfares will worsen the pedestrian experience. If you design your downtown for cars, you get cars. And they make your downtown inhospitable. If you design your downtown for people, they will use your sidewalks and make downtown a joy to stroll in. That's why I'm opposed to having a driveway off East 9th.

 

Cleveland is a couple decades behind. They’ll catch up eventually.

From the Crain's Cleveland Article , the guy who did this video is part of the purchasing group.  Not to say we'll see anything near this, but this was their intent as of last winter.

 

 

 

holy schinikes - was there any bell they didn’t ring? lol.

 

it would be fantastic to have any of that, much less all of it.

 

best of luck to them.

 

I have always had issue with The Galleria at Erieview.  The architecture of the tower and the mall never meshed for me.  I am probably only a few that miss the original plaza that gave the building a sense of grandeur. Can the developers reskin and face the Mall portion to match the tower's aesthetic? I would have loved a concept similar to John C. Kluczynski Federal Building & US Post Office, Loop Station in Chicago, 

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Must have been the winds.  Nothing to do with the lack of anything else interesting adjacent or any seating...

I remember those winds, They were brutal in the fall and winter. I think the biggest flaw with the Plaza is they should have oriented the Erieview Tower on 9th to be closer to the Downtown Business district instead of on the following block. The nice thing about the Galleria building is that it connected it better to downtown as opposed to the outskirts of town.

Corna sure has some weird concepts.  Anyone remember the “Hexatron?”

Must have been the winds.  Nothing to do with the lack of anything else interesting adjacent or any seating...

 

It was. It was almost impossible to stand upright in it for perhaps half of the year. They couldn't even use the fountains as an ice-skating rink in the winter because the skaters would get blown down or pushed across the ice. I remember in the 1970s or early 1980s when my dad showed me a newspaper that had a photo of the plaza where people held on to each other to keep from being blown down by the wind. My grandfather's company (M.A. Hanna) was in Erieview right after it opened, so that building and its plaza had some personal familiarity to us. I was glad (and so was my father) to see it developed with the Galleria. That plaza was useless.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

@Josh_CLE

Developer plans to add 90 more parking spaces to a 421-space garage AND cut two more driveways through E. 9th and E. 12th streetscapes. This is foolish. The Erieview plan already decimated its area of downtown with a glut of parking. https://t.co/QTEOg2H5Uq https://t.co/BFYd70fUAy

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I walked this property a few weeks ago.  The new owners have a long, long, LONG way to go bring this building up to par.  It's very dated inside, everything from lobby, common corridors, restrooms & mechanicals need updated.  I think the idea of apartment conversion for a portion of the building, is even a stretch.  Who wants to share a class A office building with apartment dwellers?  It's no longer class A at that point...  the whole idea doesn't make sense.   

 

Edit: I just watched that youtube clip above - I saw the renderings of those new apartment towers last year.  Never happening.  I wonder what, if anything will actually change at this property. 

I'm willing to bet that the high-end tenants of Erieview Tower are well aware of Kassouf's reputation and are already contacting CRE brokers to find for them new space.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Interestingly the building landed a solid new tenant earlier this year. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180304/news/153696/tower-erieview-lands-money-manager

 

The tightening office market downtown certainly plays in their favor.

 

 

Here's his competition:

 

45 Erieview - totally empty

AECOM - 55% occupied

55 Public Square - 50% empty

1215 Superior - 75% empty

 

55 PS is being partially converted to apartments. Buildings such as Fifth Third Center, 1111 Superior, Oswald Center, Terminal Tower, Keith building, Halle, Caxton and Hanna are all pretty healthy. There are some struggling buildings downtown particularly in the East 9th/ Lakeside area but overall it's a healthy market.

 

 

Interestingly the building landed a solid new tenant earlier this year. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180304/news/153696/tower-erieview-lands-money-manager

 

The tightening office market downtown certainly plays in their favor.

 

 

Here's his competition:

 

45 Erieview - totally empty

AECOM - 55% occupied

55 Public Square - 50% empty

1215 Superior - 75% empty

 

55 PS is being partially converted to apartments. Buildings such as Fifth Third Center, 1111 Superior, Oswald Center, Terminal Tower, Keith building, Halle, Caxton and Hanna are all pretty healthy. There are some struggling buildings downtown particularly in the East 9th/ Lakeside area but overall it's a healthy market.

 

 

 

Yeah the other buildings you mentioned are in better shape but they will never be in competition with Tower at Erieview

Interestingly the building landed a solid new tenant earlier this year. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180304/news/153696/tower-erieview-lands-money-manager

 

The tightening office market downtown certainly plays in their favor.

 

 

 

It sounds like the then-owner gave them a sweet deal to further boost the building's occupancy to make it more attractive to buyers.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 6 months later...

http://www.eberhardarchitects.com/view_project?project_id=61

 

This look s pretty old to me, but it wasn't posted here yet.

Wouldn't it be fun if this company came in and added the potential 5 new floors to the building? I never would have thought of it, but they said it could be done.

Does anyone know if Kassouf might still renovate some of the building to residential since the office market is changing? maybe he needs those new floors!?

19 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

http://www.eberhardarchitects.com/view_project?project_id=61

 

This look s pretty old to me, but it wasn't posted here yet.

Wouldn't it be fun if this company came in and added the potential 5 new floors to the building? I never would have thought of it, but they said it could be done.

Does anyone know if Kassouf might still renovate some of the building to residential since the office market is changing? maybe he needs those new floors!?

 

Wow, where did you find these plans for ErieView Tower? This would be a wonderful addition to this still attractive skyscraper. I do agree that this aging building is in need of some serious aesthetic updating, but overall it is still a very nice tower. Adding condominiums atop the tower would be the Erie-Views crowning glory.  Downtown Cleveland is overfilled with apartments (Not a bad thing) but we need residences to be built for homeowners now. The momentum is still strong ... I'd love to see this transformation happen.

Also, note that Eberhard also did a massing for a hotel on East 9th just north of the Galleria. I vaguely recall this from about 5-10 years ago.....

 

http://www.eberhardarchitects.com/view_project?project_id=24

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

10 hours ago, WhatUp said:

http://www.eberhardarchitects.com/view_project?project_id=61

 

This look s pretty old to me, but it wasn't posted here yet.

Wouldn't it be fun if this company came in and added the potential 5 new floors to the building? I never would have thought of it, but they said it could be done.

Does anyone know if Kassouf might still renovate some of the building to residential since the office market is changing? maybe he needs those new floors!?

I find it very sweet that you believe a Kassouf will actually follow through on anything he burbs to the media let alone something he didn't propose himself.?

I suppose it’s pure pie in the sky, but I think the eberhard idea of 5 extra floors and the way-cool lighting would be extremely impactful for the Erieview Tower- and, as a matter of fact, for the Cleveland skyline and psyche.  If Erieview was a person, I’d feel sorry for him- so little love for the 4th tallest building in the city .  I’ve posted before that new lighting on the upper section of the tower  would help transform the building and extend the skyline east.  Erieview  is more than occasionally  overlooked in Cleveland’s skyline shots. 

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  • 5 months later...

Eighth Historic District aims to bring investment in one of the few places downtown areas without many projects

Posted: 6:49 AM, Aug 09, 2019

Updated: 8:17 AM, Aug 09, 2019

By: Kevin Barry

 

CLEVELAND — The soon-to-be created Erieview Historic District is supposed to bring new investment to an important piece of Cleveland's history that hasn't seen the revitalization that other districts have.

 

A half century ago, the construction project that gave Cleveland the Erieview Tower was supposed to be the first part of a much larger vision.

 

"They probably were way too ambitious with what they envisioned," said Downtown Cleveland Alliance Executive Vice President Tom Yablonsky.

 

MORE:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/eighth-historic-district-aims-to-bring-investment-in-one-of-the-few-places-downtown-areas-without-many-projects

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

2 hours ago, KJP said:

Eighth Historic District aims to bring investment in one of the few places downtown areas without many projects

Posted: 6:49 AM, Aug 09, 2019

Updated: 8:17 AM, Aug 09, 2019

By: Kevin Barry

 

CLEVELAND — The soon-to-be created Erieview Historic District is supposed to bring new investment to an important piece of Cleveland's history that hasn't seen the revitalization that other districts have.

 

A half century ago, the construction project that gave Cleveland the Erieview Tower was supposed to be the first part of a much larger vision.

 

"They probably were way too ambitious with what they envisioned," said Downtown Cleveland Alliance Executive Vice President Tom Yablonsky.

 

MORE:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/eighth-historic-district-aims-to-bring-investment-in-one-of-the-few-places-downtown-areas-without-many-projects

Wow, that slider they have for the One Cleveland Center garage is maybe the most depressing Cleveland before and after picture I’ve ever seen.

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I still see a for sale sign on that AT&T building on the corner of 9th and lakeside.  This could maybe get that rolling.  I still think it would be neat to add the penthouse on top of the erieview tower, but my guess is that wouldn't qualify under any historic tax credits?

I was going to say the same thing @bumsquare... I have always hated that bunker of a garage but I never truly knew what was there before.  Just awful.  That land is for sale so technically someone could wrap the garage and improve what we have now, but knowing what was there before makes me sick.

11 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said:

I still see a for sale sign on that AT&T building on the corner of 9th and lakeside.  This could maybe get that rolling.  I still think it would be neat to add the penthouse on top of the erieview tower, but my guess is that wouldn't qualify under any historic tax credits?

 

The owner, Somera Road, is trying to market it to large tenants. 

 

Alto, a Turkish firm that is renovating the JHB buildings on Euclid, owns 55 Erieview Plaza which is located between 45 Erieview (the vacant AT&T building) and the Galleria/Erieview Tower. I'm hearing that Alto wants to renovate 55 Erieview with apartments.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

The irony of calling that area historic considering the acres and acres of actual historic buildings that were demolished to make it the miserable, auto-oriented hellhole it is now.

I love mid-century modern office buildings. The Tower at Erieview is one of my favorites in the city. My love is for the aesthetics and profiles of the towers though, not the way they interact with the streets. If this new historic district can help upgrade and fill these buildings, that's the first step in bringing in the new construction. New construction, like wrapping the One Cleveland Center garage, as long as it's done right, can give this area the vibrant streetscape we enjoy in other areas. Everyone wins with that. But yes, terribly ironic that we are fifty years later and can now talk about bringing back the pedestrian interaction that existed previously. 

  • 5 months later...

Thought you all might appreciate some of the renderings for the proposed apartments at Erieview Tower....

 

https://www.dimitarchitects.com/erieview-tower-residential-conversion/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Thanks- the upper 12 floors... talk about nice views!

Is this still happening?  Nice renderings

Would the top floor of this be the highest residence in Cleveland?  The State?

33 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

Is this still happening?  Nice renderings

 

Hard to know for sure when a Kassouf is running it. But apparently he's still trying.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I remember a few years back when there wer drawings of adding a few floors to the top of the building.

It is probably here upthread somewhere. I wish they would do that.

1 hour ago, Jenny said:

Would the top floor of this be the highest residence in Cleveland?  The State?

Wouldn't that belong to Terminal Tower?

Perhaps the nicest interiors to date. It's a shame this hasn't come to fruition. 

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1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Wouldn't that belong to Terminal Tower?

Terminal Tower apartments are all on lower floors.  I think the 14th floor is the highest.

 

3 hours ago, simplythis said:

I remember a few years back when there wer drawings of adding a few floors to the top of the building.

It is probably here upthread somewhere. I wish they would do that.

 

On 2/23/2019 at 11:52 PM, WhatUp said:

http://www.eberhardarchitects.com/view_project?project_id=61

 

This look s pretty old to me, but it wasn't posted here yet.

Wouldn't it be fun if this company came in and added the potential 5 new floors to the building? I never would have thought of it, but they said it could be done.

Does anyone know if Kassouf might still renovate some of the building to residential since the office market is changing? maybe he needs those new floors!?

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