March 31, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: The low rise buildings look like a fortress of Brutalist buildings. I know architecture enthusiasts love Brutalism but no thank you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’m no brutalism fan, but the “Fives at Erieview” next door is one sexy-looking building, and probably similar to much of Pei’s master plan as much as I dislike it. Way more pedestrian oriented than many of the other buildings in the district, and bonus for being on a car-free street. If only Erieview tower had as much of a street presence…
April 1, 20232 yr It looks extremely modern. Really great mention, @sonisharri. Was that building constructed in 1968? With a renovation in 2019? When I looked it up to find out, both dates are listed. And that block doesn’t look like what I’d bet most people think of when they think of downtown Cleveland. Pretty chic and very contemporary ….Of course I know you guys knew that - but the average Joe from out of state - Maybe not…
April 1, 20232 yr I see your hand @CleveFan! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 1, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, sonisharri said: I’m no brutalism fan, but the “Fives at Erieview” next door is one sexy-looking building, and probably similar to much of Pei’s master plan as much as I dislike it. Way more pedestrian oriented than many of the other buildings in the district, and bonus for being on a car-free street. If only Erieview tower had as much of a street presence… Tbh I never even knew this building existed. This brutalist building looks better than your average building, I remember going to classes in Taylor Hall at Kent State and HATING that building lol.
April 1, 20232 yr I suppose small brutalist buildings like that aren't so bad, but not necessarily the case for the bigger ones like the Justice Center, Cleveland Trust/AmeriTrust and Rhodes tower.
April 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said: I suppose small brutalist buildings like that aren't so bad, but not necessarily the case for the bigger ones like the Justice Center, Cleveland Trust/AmeriTrust and Rhodes tower. I agree. The setbacks on some of these larger buildings suck too. But a five story brutalism building fronted to the sidewalk isn't so terrible.
April 2, 20232 yr On 3/31/2023 at 10:16 AM, zbaris87 said: Don't count on the W hotel/apartments ever coming to this site. Sources say that they're out... I hope not. The W deal is good for Cleveland.
April 4, 20232 yr On 4/1/2023 at 10:35 PM, ProspectAve said: I hope not. The W deal is good for Cleveland. I never understand why when something like this happens no one else steps in. Clearly there is interest in the market. Has Bridgeworks secured a hotel brand for their development? This also could be perfect for the hotel portion of the Circle Square development as well. Edited April 4, 20232 yr by MyPhoneDead
April 24, 20232 yr On 3/30/2023 at 10:04 PM, mrnyc said: Pei's original master plan, which was never realized. I know this might have a better home in the Historic Photos section (mods feel free to move), but I went full UO on lunch break and took a look over the Erieview Plan that this image came from (this is the original IM Pei Presentation). Figure some folks might enjoy what was/wasn't. Phase one (dark) phase 2 (light)
April 24, 20232 yr Great share. We can debate the overall plan but no doubt in my mind that the original tower and plaza/fountain would be one of the best in town.
April 25, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, GISguy said: I know this might have a better home in the Historic Photos section (mods feel free to move), but I went full UO on lunch break and took a look over the Erieview Plan that this image came from (this is the original IM Pei Presentation). Figure some folks might enjoy what was/wasn't. Phase one (dark) phase 2 (light) Interesting that the landfill process was still underway at Burke and only one runway!
April 25, 20232 yr Always shocking to me to see how eaten away by parking the city was even that early.
June 14, 20232 yr Erieview Tower redo faces setbacks By Ken Prendergast / June 14, 2023 Despite winning $23 million in tax credits to enable a $100 million historic and transformational redevelopment of the Tower at Erieview, two major proposed tenants are reportedly backing out of the project. Conversion of the 1964-built, 40-story office tower and its Galleria mall, 1301 E. 9th St., with more mixed uses could be facing an uphill climb with the apparent withdrawal of a luxury W Hotel and co-working chain Industrious. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/14/erieview-tower-redo-faces-setbacks/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20232 yr ^ Kassouf’s supposed developments are rapidly becoming Cleveland’s very-own ‘infrastructure week’ meme. Very apt. My hovercraft is full of eels
June 14, 20232 yr Erieview Tower redo faces setbacks By Ken Prendergast / June 14, 2023 Despite winning $23 million in tax credits to enable a $100 million historic and transformational redevelopment of the Tower at Erieview, two major proposed tenants are reportedly backing out of the project. Conversion of the 1964-built, 40-story office tower and its Galleria mall, 1301 E. 9th St., with more mixed uses could be facing an uphill climb with the apparent withdrawal of a luxury W Hotel and co-working chain Industrious. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/14/erieview-tower-redo-faces-setbacks/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20232 yr I was about to say something snarky but after reading Ken's piece it doesn't sound like the delay or even possible cancelation are Kassouf's fault. Lending has gotten tighter and will necessarily change development. That being said, l still wonder how a developer?? with the track record of a Kassouf ever won a TMUD in the first place.
June 14, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, cadmen said: I was about to say something snarky but after reading Ken's piece it doesn't sound like the delay or even possible cancelation are Kassouf's fault. Lending has gotten tighter and will necessarily change development. That being said, l still wonder how a developer?? with the track record of a Kassouf ever won a TMUD in the first place. yes, What was the state thinking. They could have awarded a TMUD to a more ready project like bridgeworks
June 16, 20231 yr I finally heard back from the Erieview development team. Things aren't as bad as they seemed. I'll have an article tomorrow. But a significant development has occurred within the team to make the project more likely and keep W as a part of it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 16, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: I finally heard back from the Erieview development team. Things aren't as bad as they seemed. I'll have an article tomorrow. But a significant development has occurred within the team to make the project more likely and keep W as a part of it. Well this is definitely an article I am looking forward to since I, like many, don't have a lot of faith in this developer given their track record. Edited June 16, 20231 yr by Htsguy
June 16, 20231 yr whoa — now that good news here would be a major daisys and rainbows flower power type bomb indeed. still, highly dubious until its done. or at least well underway.
June 17, 20231 yr Landing a W would seriously change the game. Would definitely make luring tenants to the Galleria easier.
June 17, 20231 yr Erieview Tower project gains potent partner By Ken Prendergast / June 17, 2023 Despite recent departures from the project, development team members assured NEOtrans that the $100 million redevelopment of the Tower at Erieview in downtown Cleveland is still going forward. A big reason why is because the development team has gained a potent new member — an influential Cleveland-based law firm tied into active developer TurnDev and its financing arm TurnCap. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/17/erieview-tower-gains-potent-partner/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 20231 yr @KJP I have a number of thoughts which I am sure forum members are holding their breaths to read-but my big initial question relates to what seems to be two contradictory quotes. Jon Pinney at KJK and TurnDev was quoted as confirming the capital stack was "complete"-although they continue to work with the city (which I guess means they want further public subsidies of some sort). Later in the article Anthony Delfre of Brown Gibbons states "KJK is finalizing the city incentive package which is the FINAL PIECE OF THE PROJECTS'S CAPITALIZATION IN ORDER TO CLOSE" So which is it? Is the capital stack complete or do they still need more public subsidies in order to close a gap?
June 17, 20231 yr I suspect Pinney is saying that they've identified all of the layers of their capital stack. And I suspect he's confident that the city will approve everything. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 20231 yr 25 minutes ago, KJP said: I suspect Pinney is saying that they've identified all of the layers of their capital stack. And I suspect he's confident that the city will approve everything. I was going to say this. The city administration has likely offered assistance that needs legislative approval.
June 17, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, freefourur said: I was going to say this. The city administration has likely offered assistance that needs legislative approval. That is what makes me a bit nervous. I have watched way too many city council committee meetings where members seem to be generally clueless about such matters-almost like they live in another city. I hope Blaine Griffin is on board. Edited June 17, 20231 yr by Htsguy
June 17, 20231 yr 19 minutes ago, Htsguy said: That is what makes me a bit nervous. I have watched way too many city council committee meetings where members seem to be generally clueless about such matters-almost like they live in another city. I hope Blaine Griffin is on board. Generally speaking, the administration should brief the committee chairman prior to these meetings. Going in to the meeting, the chairman and committee member should have a high level understanding of the proposal. The members may be clueless to the particulars of a deal and it is up to the administration staff and developer to get the deal approved. I haven't paid close attention to economic development committees but I don't think they usually table a deal or disapprove altogether. They like to grandstand a bit but usually approve.
June 17, 20231 yr If the ward councilman supports a project in their ward, the rest of council almost always goes along with it. And yes, I'm awaiting a reply from Kerry McCormack on whether he supports it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 20231 yr Article updated with the councilman's quote. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20231 yr turndev the new developer is already investing in the city via the cross country mortgage hq reno. so thats a great sign of seriousness in this project. it would be so nice to have top of the town back, wouldn’t it?
July 14, 20231 yr Looks like Erieview Tower is seeking more tax credits... Cleveland considers commercial tax abatement for Erieview Tower makeover, anchored by W hotel The city of Cleveland could take the unusual step of providing commercial tax abatement for the Tower at Erieview, a struggling downtown office tower set to house Ohio's first W hotel. The proposal, outlined in legislation introduced to Cleveland City Council on Wednesday, July 12, calls for a 75% tax break for 10 years on new real estate value created by the 210-room hotel, revamped office space, a renovated parking garage and a high-end restaurant. The $193 million project, to resuscitate downtown's fourth-tallest building, also will include 227 apartments. And owner James Kassouf, who leads an investor group that acquired the property in 2018, plans to revive the adjoining Galleria mall with entertainment and dining in a subsequent phase of construction. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-eyes-commercial-tax-abatement-erieview-tower
July 14, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Ethan said: Looks like Erieview Tower is seeking more tax credits... Cleveland considers commercial tax abatement for Erieview Tower makeover, anchored by W hotel The city of Cleveland could take the unusual step of providing commercial tax abatement for the Tower at Erieview, a struggling downtown office tower set to house Ohio's first W hotel. The proposal, outlined in legislation introduced to Cleveland City Council on Wednesday, July 12, calls for a 75% tax break for 10 years on new real estate value created by the 210-room hotel, revamped office space, a renovated parking garage and a high-end restaurant. The $193 million project, to resuscitate downtown's fourth-tallest building, also will include 227 apartments. And owner James Kassouf, who leads an investor group that acquired the property in 2018, plans to revive the adjoining Galleria mall with entertainment and dining in a subsequent phase of construction. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-eyes-commercial-tax-abatement-erieview-tower And thereafter a TIF. These must be the public subsidies from the city that Ken mentioned in his most recent article.
July 15, 20231 yr It would be so great to see this tower (and it’s adjoining Galleria) come back to life. And having the W Hotel and W-brand residences in a restored Erieview Tower would be another big shot in the arm for a town with some mojo. Fingers crossed…
July 15, 20231 yr Yes and if everyone in Cleveland would chip in a million each maybe we can get this thing cranking. It's for a good cause and everything.
July 27, 20231 yr I started a new job and work in this building now and wow I hope some of this comes to fruition. The one positive is seeing the daily work at 45 Erieview.
July 27, 20231 yr I started a new job and work in this building now and wow I hope some of this comes to fruition. The one positive is seeing the daily work at 45 Erieview.Is it in rough shape? Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
July 27, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Is it in rough shape? Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk The Galleria is horrfic. Our offices are ok, but the lobby and landscaping are so date and not well maintained. It feels like nothing has been done to the space in forever.
July 27, 20231 yr Not sure how old these are but I just came across these on a google search. There are a series of renderings on the link https://www.dimitarchitects.com/erieview-tower-residential-conversion/ Erieview Tower – Residential Conversion Dimit Architects created conceptual designs through construction documents on a plan to convert thirteen stories within the forty story Erieview Tower office building into upscale apartments and resident amenities. A new parking ramp and common areas were planned as well as a new lobby to provide office and resident tenants with a new valet experience. Dimit Architects assisted in nominating the Erieview Tower as a historic landmark in order to pursue federal historic tax credits.
July 27, 20231 yr Not sure how old these are but I just came across these on a google search. There are a series of renderings on the link https://www.dimitarchitects.com/erieview-tower-residential-conversion/ Erieview Tower – Residential Conversion Dimit Architects created conceptual designs through construction documents on a plan to convert thirteen stories within the forty story Erieview Tower office building into upscale apartments and resident amenities. A new parking ramp and common areas were planned as well as a new lobby to provide office and resident tenants with a new valet experience. Dimit Architects assisted in nominating the Erieview Tower as a historic landmark in order to pursue federal historic tax credits.February 24th, 2019 to be exact. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
July 27, 20231 yr 33 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said: The Galleria is horrfic. Our offices are ok, but the lobby and landscaping are so date and not well maintained. It feels like nothing has been done to the space in forever. I believe that considering who the owner has been for quite some time
July 27, 20231 yr If the conversion of The Erieview Tower happens, I hope they add lighting to the top - it has always seemed underrepresented in our night skyline.
August 3, 20231 yr Moving out in 2024. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/transdigm-sets-downtown-cleveland-hq-move-us-bank-centre
August 3, 20231 yr Not sure if i'm going to be able to write an article about this anytime soon since I'm out of country. But you all might be interested in these graphics... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 3, 20231 yr I remember when the Galleria opened l thought the barrel vaulted ceilings were the bomb. I still love them and if there is any way to bring both the tower and the old Galleria space to some resemblance of its former glory l'm all for it. After all they sit right on one of our two main downtown streets. Bringing them back to life also adds life to the core.
August 3, 20231 yr Looks great. But is this REALLY possible with Kassouf. I realize that they have a new partner that gets things done. But stiil it is Kassouf.
August 3, 20231 yr I am guessing that the additional public subsidies will be before one or two city council committees in the next month or so. It will be interesting to see who appears on behalf of the developer and what is presented.
August 3, 20231 yr My issue has always been that The Galleria has felt disjointed to The Erieview Tower. The rendering helps to blend the two together.
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