how do they hold up?

 

 

Yeah, Particularly after several freeze/thaw cycles

how do they hold up?

 

 

Yeah, Particularly after several freeze/thaw cycles

 

And Cleveland's yahoo snowplow drivers....

how do they hold up?

 

I'm sure fine considering there are brick streets over 100yrs old that are in better shape than most roads in NEO.

how do they hold up?

 

 

Yeah, Particularly after several freeze/thaw cycles

 

And Cleveland's yahoo snowplow drivers....

 

Who at city hall hurt you?

how do they hold up?

 

I'm sure fine considering there are brick streets over 100yrs old that are in better shape than most roads in NEO.

 

But these are installed the same way that brick roads are.  Brick pavers are usually installed in sand and not glued down like these.  I am just interested in whether these have been in use a while.

^ The ones at Clifton and w117 still look good, and I believe those were installed in the Fall of 2015.

how do they hold up?

 

 

Yeah, Particularly after several freeze/thaw cycles

 

And Cleveland's yahoo snowplow drivers....

 

Who at city hall hurt you?

 

LOL no one personally.  I just know a few snowplow drivers...and you should hear the stories! 

 

On a broader scale I find our city government to be inept, bloated and not very good and delivering services to residents.  I wonder how many were employed in the 1950's, at the peak of Cleveland's population?  Have yet to be able to find this number...

 

 

^ The ones at Clifton and w117 still look good, and I believe those were installed in the Fall of 2015.

 

Good to hear.  Lakewood has been doing stamped concrete whenever roads are repaved.  I wonder if this is more cost effective.

^ Not sure, but that's a good question....I do like the brick crosswalks better because of the contrast in color/material.  They appear to stand out more to drivers.

^ The ones at Clifton and w117 still look good, and I believe those were installed in the Fall of 2015.

 

Those were stamped concrete rather than these new adhesive "bricks".  I give the new ones one winter...

^Those were the ones I was talking about

For a vote in "services are improving" poll, the city has pretty much resurfaced my street in two days. They stared scraping off the old asphalt yesterday,  and today they laid all the new/recycled asphalt. The only work left is to even out a few driveway transitions and seal the edges. I'm shocked! I remember a few streets in Fakewood around 105th that it took seemingly a month to complete just the basic repave

^

That's not the point either. I frequently post about positive developments in Cleveland but I'm not taken to task about it, even though I don't live in Cleveland. But when I point out a shortcoming, that's apparently when I'm not allowed to say anything. Glad i wasn't held to that standard when I was a newspaper reporter--I never covered a city beat for a city I lived in, and I wrote positive and negative articles about each community.

 

I know what you mean. I’m just saying, if the other poster is going to point out negatives about Lakewood,, posting about population loss is not the way to go, since Lakewood is pretty hot right now.

 

And yes, it’s a good thing reporters don’t have residency requirements:)

 

That's not the point either. I frequently post about positive developments in Cleveland but I'm not taken to task about it, even though I don't live in Cleveland. But when I point out a shortcoming, that's apparently when I'm not allowed to say anything. Glad i wasn't held to that standard when I was a newspaper reporter--I never covered a city beat for a city I lived in, and I wrote positive and negative articles about each community.

 

You can say anything you want about Cleveland, and I can do the same about Lakewood.  All my original post stated was that the city has fixed many bad sidewalks in my neighborhood, along with an increased amount of street sweeping... Giving the city credit apparently sets some off on this site.  Your post "this is how Lakewood does it" was an unnecessary and off topic dig.  But if you want to play that game...Ok, let's play.

 

Clifton Ave is great example of where Cleveland got it right and Lakewood failed miserably....Here are two pics from yesterday while I ate breakfast at Landmark.  In the 30min I was there, the pedestrian traffic on Lakewood's side was non-existent, while Cleveland's sidewalks were busy as hell.  At a major intersection (w117 and Clifton) Lakewood decided a gas station and poorly designed pharmacy was good enough for its residents.  Thankfully, Cleveland pushed for better. 

 

 

you got a poster and my old home in 2 shots.

I was in Cleveland over labor day weekend, and did notice that they weirdly just close off sidewalks for construction projects, and the only option is to cross the street. No protected areas to walk around it using the street. There was a lot Downtown. It was especially annoying coming off the Red Line at Little Italy where you are pretty much forced to jaywalk across Mayfield to continue into Little Italy. To legally use a crosswalk would send you the opposite way toward Euclid Ave.

 

In Chicago, it seems more the norm to have a devoloper provide safe ped access around a construction site on the same side of the street...especially Downtown. They place Jersey barriers around the path into the street.

 

This is a pretty serious problem in my opinion. We've been dealing with the lack of sidewalk in front of the Athletic Club downtown for over a year now, and it gets dangerous sometimes. Now you also have the May Company renovation on Prospect, and the sidewalk is out of commission there. I drive past it on my commute and there are always pedestrians squeezed between the cars and the concrete barriers.

I've been trying to convince a friend to accept a job offer and move here, but I had to concede that Cleveland is a unique mix of great things and baffling ineptitude.

@WalkCLE

A month later and this is still happening. What can be done and who will pay for the sidewalk repairs for damage caused by the weight of the vehicles? @CityofCleveland @KerryMcCormack1 @CLEpolice

 

 

@inthewabe

In other cities, this is what’s commonly known as a “sidewalk”. In Cleveland, we call it “off-street parking”.

 

 

 

@CassieGaffney

What’s your favorite surface parking lot downtown? Mine is probably the sidewalk on the Huron Rd side of the @CrownePlaza

 

^In Wash DC commercial vehicles consider themselves exempt from parking rules. Unfortunately, the police seem to agree.  Looks like Clevelanders are catching on.

Could you tell those service workers to come out to Edgewater sometime soon and fix the sidewalks out here? I work in Cleveland but until the police response time and schools dramatically improve, I cannot live in the city (or afford private schools or subject my son to a religious institution). And because I live only three blocks from Cleveland, a substantial portion of my shopping, dining and, yes walking on sidewalks that look like an earthquake shattered them, is done in Cleveland.

I've always said until parents feel safe enrolling their children in Cleveland public Schools and feel they are getting a good public education, Cleveland will struggle as well as NE Ohio.

 

^ we felt safe about it, so do all of the parents who send their kids to soccer practice at Herman park. I coach youth league sports and have noticed a huge difference in number of kids turning out yr/yr. 

 

It’s a shame that some of you have such out-dated views regarding raising kids in the city. 

 

I love the difference my family has made in our fellow neighbor’s lives.  The gratification I feel would never happen in any of your “safe” suburbs.  We need more leaders in this city, not online critics.

Cleveland schools need improvement. Parents feel their children wont get an education they would in the suburbs and be suffered lets be honest by reverse racism too. Gang activity as well.

 

^ Luckily many people (leaders) feel differently than you.

They can afford private schools for their children or they live in the suburbs.

 

Name one "leader" that has their kids in Cleveland public?

 

^ Luckily many people (leaders) feel differently than you.

It needs to be addressed, Cleveland public school system is Cleveland's biggest hurdle to economic development.

Cleveland is still very segregated relative to the majority of cities now.

Racial tensions are rough. Who in here actually went to Cleveland public?

edit* this results in Cleveland having bad sidewalks.

I did.

Can we stay focused on sidewalks?

I ran across this website when looking at ways to spruce up my driveway and thought about Cleveland sidewalks. 

 http://www.themoldstore.com/

 

On 9/21/2018 at 11:22 AM, Cavalier Attitude said:

I've been trying to convince a friend to accept a job offer and move here, but I had to concede that Cleveland is a unique mix of great things and baffling ineptitude.

 

You'll find that most cities are like that, at least those that have the great things.

 

Established cities have established bureaucracies, often filled with the less competent and/or more dishonest relatives of PTB past and present.

 

In an era with less in depth media coverage, Frank Jackson's infamous grandson would likely be working for one of the departments.

 

To get back on topic, sidewalks in the burbs are hit or miss.  Some have them, some don't, some have them so close to the street they become impassable during snowy times.   Northfield Village in particular goes from quite walkable to not at all.

 

They also become bike paths during heavy traffic periods, which makes sense.   I see that around Richmond/Emery/Miles sometimes.

Edited October 28, 20186 yr by E Rocc

Looking around for a suitable topic within which to discuss skywalks, I settled on this one. In the construction threads there has been considerable negative talk about the Jack Casino skyways.  I recently returned from a pleasant visit to the Canadian port of Halifax, where skywalks are called "pedways" and are part of an extensive system. The claimed benefits center on speed of walking, winter protection and pedestrian-vehicle seperation, also speeding up vehicle traffic. H'faxers (the locals claim a tougher winter than Cleveland's) are very happy with them.

 

The Halifax system:

   

 

HongKong also has a very extensive system. (Can't find a map of it.) As does Chicago.  https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/cdot/pedestrian/Pedway/PedwayMap2013.pdf

 

With Cleveland's downtown retail consisting mostly of restaurants, it's a good time to think about a pedway system. A portion could be nicely inserted into SHW's coming campus right from the start.

 

 

9 hours ago, Dougal said:

Looking around for a suitable topic within which to discuss skywalks, I settled on this one. In the construction threads there has been considerable negative talk about the Jack Casino skyways.  I recently returned from a pleasant visit to the Canadian port of Halifax, where skywalks are called "pedways" and are part of an extensive system. The claimed benefits center on speed of walking, winter protection and pedestrian-vehicle seperation, also speeding up vehicle traffic. H'faxers (the locals claim a tougher winter than Cleveland's) are very happy with them.

 

The Halifax system:

   

 

HongKong also has a very extensive system. (Can't find a map of it.) As does Chicago.  https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/cdot/pedestrian/Pedway/PedwayMap2013.pdf

 

With Cleveland's downtown retail consisting mostly of restaurants, it's a good time to think about a pedway system. A portion could be nicely inserted into SHW's coming campus right from the start.

 

 

 

Houston has an underground system,  however, their system is used because of the heat and humidity.

 

I'm against any skybridge or tunnel system.  We need people at grade on streets.  It's not as if out streets and roads are so crowded that we need alternative tunnels or bridges for pedestrians to move about the city.

16 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

 

I'm against any skybridge or tunnel system.  We need people at grade on streets.  It's not as if out streets and roads are so crowded that we need alternative tunnels or bridges for pedestrians to move about the city.

 

I live in a city with a cold/wet winter, wet spring, and beastly hot summer; we are not good at clearing streets and sidewalks of snow.  Our traffic is a nightmare, affecting/delaying pedestrians as well as vehicles. Obviously I disagree; a pedway system would be great in Washington.

 

If the difficulty pedestrians encounter in Washington-style all-day traffic jams could be forcast for Cleveland's future, the time to plan is now.

 

 

4 hours ago, Dougal said:

 

I live in a city with a cold/wet winter, wet spring, and beastly hot summer; we are not good at clearing streets and sidewalks of snow.  Our traffic is a nightmare, affecting/delaying pedestrians as well as vehicles. Obviously I disagree; a pedway system would be great in Washington.

 

If the difficulty pedestrians encounter in Washington-style all-day traffic jams could be forcast for Cleveland's future, the time to plan is now.

 

 

Where you live had no barring how Cleveland functions today or in the future.  

what i would most love to see downtown someday is significant road taken out for sidewalks to be widened.

 

crossing the main drags is like a class three climbing scramble ('a rope might be carried, little belaying needed').

 

ha.

Cleveland arguably already has a Pedestrian tunnel / footbridge systems at the Cleveland Clinic. Medical centers are of course different from Central Business Districts with a different clientele which may need more protections from the environment. Regardless of the merits of this system though, one definitive outcome of this "above the sidewalk" approach is significantly decreased activity at the street level. An insular fortress where all needs are met from within the system is created, greatly decreasing the "spillover" effect the Clinic should have on the surrounding community. 

The pattern of development within (and around) the Clinic is complex and more than just a product of the sky-bridge/pedestrian passage way network, but its still an interesting local example of possible outcomes. The setbacks, lack of sidewalk activity or virtually any businesses at street level around and within the Clinic is one of the cities greatest blunders of the past few decades. Pursuing the development or expansion of a similar system in downtown would serve to only harm the city by keeping employees, residents and tourists off the cities sidewalks, away from existing businesses and pedestrian infrastructure. 

 

Cleveland sidewalks and street-life around the Clinic's bridges:

 

 

Edited November 13, 20195 yr by NorthShore647

While the clinic skywalk system is nice for us civilians, it's first purpose is to move patients (in beds and wheelchairs) beween operating, exam, and recovery rooms. It's a lot cheaper than having to use an ambulance every time someone goes from their room in the Miller Pavilion to an operating room in Taussig or Crile.

 

Not to mention that many people at the clinic are old, sick, and just not in the best shape. The  malls are busy in summer time, but from October to May youre going to have a hard time convincing someone who is 68, overweight, with heart and joint issues to walk in iffy weather.

11 hours ago, originaljbw said:

 

Not to mention that many people at the clinic are old, sick, and just not in the best shape. The  malls are busy in summer time, but from October to May youre going to have a hard time convincing someone who is 68, overweight, with heart and joint issues to walk in iffy weather.

 

I think you just described why the 68-year-old person is overweight, with heart and joint issues -- because they don't walk. Two of my 60-something-years-old suburban friends in Bay Village are overweight, diabetic, and have arthritic knees because they NEVER walk. Yet they said they would never set foot in Cleveland if they don't have to because it's unsafe. And yet they're not going to live much longer because of where they chose to live -- for safety reasons. And yes, I remind them of the irony. They are defensive and closed-minded.

38 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I think you just described why the 68-year-old person is overweight, with heart and joint issues -- because they don't walk. Two of my 60-something-years-old suburban friends in Bay Village are overweight, diabetic, and have arthritic knees because they NEVER walk. Yet they said they would never set foot in Cleveland if they don't have to because it's unsafe. And yet they're not going to live much longer because of where they chose to live -- for safety reasons. And yes, I remind them of the irony. They are defensive and closed-minded.

And tell them to park and walk of surface streets at the Cleveland Clinic! It's in hough right I'm liable to be murdered! (End sarcasam)

On 11/12/2019 at 2:23 PM, mrnyc said:

what i would most love to see downtown someday is significant road taken out for sidewalks to be widened.

 

crossing the main drags is like a class three climbing scramble ('a rope might be carried, little belaying needed').

 

ha.

...and you live in NYC.  very few streets in Cleveland are dangerous in the same manner are N/S avenues in Manhattan, Flatbush or Queens Blvd.