On 3/22/2021 at 1:32 PM, jwulsin said:

Ugh. This sucks. Along with several others in the triangle bound by Vine, Mulberry, and E Clifton, that property was bought in 2019 by "Vine Street Legends VNB LLC" that seems to be affiliated with "Management and Beyond" at 24 E University (in Corryville). I stopped by their office last summer because I had noticed a lot of their properties had trash building up, and I wanted to see if they needed help maintaining them (in other words, I was trying to guilt trip them into doing a better job as property owners). I left my name and number with one of the office managers, but never heard back. Since I never heard back, in September I filed a complaint (SR20073217) that 2016 Vine was open to trespassers. As recently as March 12th, the City issued a Civil Citation (SR20018259) against the property for being vacant and open to intruders. I hope the City pushes hard since this is a clear case of owner negligence. I've included a couple of photos from September 2020, showing how poorly maintained the property was, especially in the rear.

 

Here's the full list of the properties owned by that LLC.

• 29 Peete
• 31 Peete
• 33 Peete
• 2010 Vine
• 2012 Vine
• 2014 Vine
• 2016 Vine
• 2022 Vine
• 21 Mulberry

 

Back in March, after 2016 Vine burned, the City tore down what remained of 2016 Vine as well as 2014 and 2012 Vine. 

 

Starting yesterday, the City began tearing down 2010 Vine, the final building in that cluster, immediately adjacent to the public steps that connect Vine St to Peete. I hope the City uses every legal tool at their disposal to ensure these negligent owners (various LLCs affiliated with Vision & Beyond) are fined punitively and never see a profit from their gross neglect. 

 

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, jim uber said:

I LOVE this. Finally, a project that will force the question "so do you actually care about affordable housing, or do you care about fostering a museum community based on height restrictions?" For a lot of the folks in the awkward coalition of OTRCC, OTR foundation, etc, I'm betting on the latter.

 

In fairness to them, it does look like they had a motion to support it on their meeting minutes for May.

17 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

Back in March, after 2016 Vine burned, the City tore down what remained of 2016 Vine as well as 2014 and 2012 Vine. 

 

Starting yesterday, the City began tearing down 2010 Vine, the final building in that cluster, immediately adjacent to the public steps that connect Vine St to Peete. I hope the City uses every legal tool at their disposal to ensure these negligent owners (various LLCs affiliated with Vision & Beyond) are fined punitively and never see a profit from their gross neglect. 

 

 

 

 

I think the property owner is to blame for sure, but I also think that the reality is that every unoccupied building in otr is in jeopardy, especially in parts of otr where there is a higher rate of homelessness and crime. 
 

Unfortunately, I am not sure what can be done in the mean time until north of liberty property values skyrocket and justify the costly and risky renovation costs. Yes, property owners can do there best at securing the property with pad locks, but if someone wants to break in and cause mayhem or be reckless they can still find ways to break in. Especially if there are no pedestrian eyes on the streets to care enough to say something.

 

I guess the frustrating part about all of this is how much of a slow burn this has all been. 
 

OTR is a gem and if this neighborhood was located in any big city you would have developers all across the US redeveloping properties left and right. 
 

Instead we are mainly stuck with mainly local developers and maybe some outside developers here and there. There has  been great progress for sure, but I can’t help but the size of Cincy has really held otr back from being developed at the faster pace it deserves. 
 

We are nearly 11 years into the full blown gentrification process and only now has south of liberty on vine has been completely gentrified. I fear that it will take another 10 plus years if not longer for north of liberty to be completely renovated but I also fear how many buildings we will lose during that prolonged  time frame.
 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

In fairness to them, it does look like they had a motion to support it on their meeting minutes for May.

Glad to hear; we will see what the vote is. (Or did you mean that they’d voted to support?)

 

Anyway, I’m happy if they support it of course. That would settle the silly issue of whether we should have 6 story buildings built on central parkway. 

2 hours ago, jim uber said:

Glad to hear; we will see what the vote is. (Or did you mean that they’d voted to support?)

 

Anyway, I’m happy if they support it of course. That would settle the silly issue of whether we should have 6 story buildings built on central parkway. 

 

I'm not 100% sure. It's hard to tell with the way the minutes are written. Looks like the economic development committee voted to support? Here's the language:
 

4.    Committee Reports 
a.    Economic Development and Housing – (2) Motions
1.) Letter affirming motion to support the Willkommen 2 project as presented on May 3. (Jen Walke, Model Group.)
 

3 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

Unfortunately, I am not sure what can be done in the mean time until north of liberty property values skyrocket and justify the costly and risky renovation costs.

I renovated a 7-unit apartment building shell on the same block (0-100 block of E Clifton) back in 2016. I had zero experience in real estate or construction prior to taking on that project, and I was able to succeed. These investors at Vision & Beyond apparently manage 100+ properties (presumably with many more apartment units) throughout Cincinnati. If they wanted to, they could make a renovation work, instead of waiting until the City tears the buildings down due to public hazard. They don't even have the decency to keep their empty lots free of litter (they own 13 parcels, 5 of which are empty lots immediately adjacent to these buildings). I have zero sympathy for them. 

 

 

3 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

In fairness to them, it does look like they had a motion to support it on their meeting minutes for May.

The committee (Economic Development & Housing) and the Board of Trustees have both voted to approve the project. The general membership will vote on Monday. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/05/20/new-restaurant-opening-in-former-a-tavola-space-in.html
 

A TOVOLA spot will be taken over by a Nashville Hospitality group and open a new Oyster themed restaurant called Pearl Star...kinda sounds like porn star but maybe just me.

Well oysters are supposed to be an aphrodisiac so maybe the porn star name is intentional. Good to see the space get filled but I will never patronize an oyster or raw bar that is 600 miles from the Atlantic coast. Sounds like a regional cuisine that should stay regional. 

Oyster bars were really sleazy by the 1920s so maybe that's where they're going with it.

8 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

Good to see the space get filled but I will never patronize an oyster or raw bar that is 600 miles from the Atlantic coast.

Don't worry - the owners are from Nashville, so perhaps they source fresh water oysters from the Cumberland River. 😂

The article about Pearlstar mentions this:

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Pearlstar will occupy 2,000 square feet of restaurant space alongside a 2,000-square-foot courtyard with outdoor seating, two bocce courts, a wood-fired grill and a wood-burning oven.

 

That confused me because A Tavola didn't have any outdoor space, let alone a 2,000 sq ft courtyard! Earlier this week, I noticed the parking lot at 1228 Vine St getting torn up... I snapped this photo since it seemed curious to me. An LLC that has the same address as 3CDC owns the parking lot, so I'm guessing this is where the Pearlstar's outdoor space will be:

 

Photo from May 18, 2020:

 

CAGIS photo from April 2020:

 

Edited May 20, 20214 yr by jwulsin

While outdoor space for a restaurant wasn't exactly what I'd hoped would happen to that parking lot, it's a good first step.

Kinda disappointing that we are giving up valuable otr real estate for court yard space..I mean I would much rather prefer court yard any day than a parking lot..but still kinda disappointing to see something more valuable on such a prominent artery street like vine. 
 

That said, this and the new mad tree concept could add some nice additional night pedestrian activity for vine street. 

2 hours ago, ucgrady said:

Well oysters are supposed to be an aphrodisiac so maybe the porn star name is intentional. Good to see the space get filled but I will never patronize an oyster or raw bar that is 600 miles from the Atlantic coast. Sounds like a regional cuisine that should stay regional. 

You know we have these things called air planes that can fly in stuff like oysters?  

3 hours ago, jwulsin said:

The article about Pearlstar mentions this:

 

That confused me because A Tavola didn't have any outdoor space, let alone a 2,000 sq ft courtyard! Earlier this week, I noticed the parking lot at 1228 Vine St getting torn up... I snapped this photo since it seemed curious to me. An LLC that has the same address as 3CDC owns the parking lot, so I'm guessing this is where the Pearlstar's outdoor space will be:

 

Photo from May 18, 2020:

 

CAGIS photo from April 2020:

 

One more thing...is the court yard taking the entire parking lot or just a portion. Can’t really tell by that photo.

 

That photo also made me realize that you will balcony units that will be very close to this proposed court yard. I can’t imagine how noisy that might be in the summer when this opens. 
 

I guess one of the aspects of urban living in the noise, but I can’t imagine shelling that much money for a condo in that unit only to have drunk people being belligerent less than 100 feet below me. 

Edited May 20, 20214 yr by Troeros2

1 hour ago, Troeros2 said:

One more thing...is the court yard taking the entire parking lot or just a portion. Can’t really tell by that photo.

 

That photo also made me realize that you will balcony units that will be very close to this proposed court yard. I can’t imagine how noisy that might be in the summer when this opens. 
 

I guess one of the aspects of urban living in the noise, but I can’t imagine shelling that much money for a condo in that unit only to have drunk people being belligerent less than 100 feet below me. 

 

I would be pumped to have a balcony overlooking a bar courtyard. To each their own.

11 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

I think the property owner is to blame for sure, but I also think that the reality is that every unoccupied building in otr is in jeopardy, especially in parts of otr where there is a higher rate of homelessness and crime. 
 

Unfortunately, I am not sure what can be done in the mean time until north of liberty property values skyrocket and justify the costly and risky renovation costs. Yes, property owners can do there best at securing the property with pad locks, but if someone wants to break in and cause mayhem or be reckless they can still find ways to break in. Especially if there are no pedestrian eyes on the streets to care enough to say something.

 

I guess the frustrating part about all of this is how much of a slow burn this has all been. 
 

OTR is a gem and if this neighborhood was located in any big city you would have developers all across the US redeveloping properties left and right. 
 

Instead we are mainly stuck with mainly local developers and maybe some outside developers here and there. There has  been great progress for sure, but I can’t help but the size of Cincy has really held otr back from being developed at the faster pace it deserves. 
 

We are nearly 11 years into the full blown gentrification process and only now has south of liberty on vine has been completely gentrified. I fear that it will take another 10 plus years if not longer for north of liberty to be completely renovated but I also fear how many buildings we will lose during that prolonged  time frame.
 

 

 

 

Do you think that some of the issue is more so of city government than the size of the city? I would say the size and slow population increase would have some effect but the biggest issue would be with how the city is ran. One it takes forever for anything to get through the process of approval and that Cranley really favors developers who have contributed to his campaigns.

 

I feel like addressing theses issues (Cranley of course will be addressed in November at the election) will increase developers interest in projects throughout the city. I’d love to see more developers from NYC and San Francisco come in and develop these vacant lots. 

Edited May 21, 20214 yr by Ucgrad2015

Sharing this again for visibility if any of y’all want to donate but haven’t done so yet..there is only 2 weeks left before the funds have to be raised in order to save to tower.

 

https://www.firstlutherancincy.org/tower-restoration?fbclid=IwAR2qkBP2oq2mcelwvdzsF6QOnWo3hEclJ5ywI47am__KbQySW84I-TIYX8E

 

The first Lutheran bell tower facing Washington park has until June 5th until they need to make a decision on whether to save or demo the tower. Obviously if the tower can’t be saved then the money will be returned but I guess in the mean time every effort helps.

 

 

On 5/20/2021 at 10:22 AM, Troeros2 said:

 

We are nearly 11 years into the full blown gentrification process and only now has south of liberty on vine has been completely gentrified. I fear that it will take another 10 plus years if not longer for north of liberty to be completely renovated but I also fear how many buildings we will lose during that prolonged  time frame.

 

 

When you're talking about vacant buildings being rehabbed you're talking about revitalization, not gentrification. Gentrification is a very specific and negative thing but it is, for some reason, now being used to refer to any redevelopment or new development. We should get away from that. Just a pet peeve of mine.

https://www.cincinnati.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2021%2F05%2F21%2Fnew-senior-housing-complex-planned-near-findlay-market%2F5207884001%2F
 

I cannot read the article but am assuming this is the current parking lot across from Sam Adams taproom?

1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

https://www.cincinnati.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2021%2F05%2F21%2Fnew-senior-housing-complex-planned-near-findlay-market%2F5207884001%2F
 

I cannot read the article but am assuming this is the current parking lot across from Sam Adams taproom?

It's not a subscriber article and should work for you with an incognito window. You can also try the ol' USA Today trick.

 

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The Cincinnati Metropolitan Housing Authority plans to build a new senior housing complex on a city-owned parking lot west of Findlay Market in Over-the-Rhine. Called Logan Commons, the planned three-story residential development would consist of 42 one-bedroom units, ranging from 565-666 square feet, with a 6,000-square-foot senior center on the first floor. Located at the corner of Logan and Elder streets, the building would also have 2,000 square feet of ground-floor commercial space.

 

I noticed that in the article 1720 race street facility will be replaced by the above new housing facility. 
 

That building takes almost the whole block on race. It would be amazing if model or 3cdc could purchase the building and demo that site with a large mixed use project, especially with it being right on the street car line. Could be a huge game changer for that section of Race - North of Liberty.

Just the portion they tore up will be courtyard. 

Random thoughts from my outing last night regarding the street eateries, but I have to say something so simple gives so much extra depth to the feel of downtown and otr. Seeing people enjoying themselves while drinking and eating and socializing outside just gives everything an extra flavor of activity.

 

At times while walking down main st last night it gave me nyc vibes with the crowded side walks, traffic jams and people socializing and dining along the street eateries.

 

I hope 3cdc and the city continue to push more of these as it really helps not only calm traffic but also helps add more urban activity and charm. 

 

Willkommen is finally getting wavy. Looking forward to seeing the brick: 

Progress has been made but First Lutheran still needs to raise 1.6 million in donations by June 5th or else the bell tower is coming down.

 

https://www.citybeat.com/news/blog/21151262/to-save-historic-overtherhine-bell-tower-first-lutheran-church-needs-to-raise-16-million-by-june?fbclid=IwAR0vEWh-v3MsmmJ3cGudNS27jGfMOWCJX0NGQO74jlpgNYhsQxLnsngg2OU

On 5/20/2021 at 9:12 AM, jim uber said:

I LOVE this. Finally, a project that will force the question "so do you actually care about affordable housing, or do you care about fostering a museum community based on height restrictions?" For a lot of the folks in the awkward coalition of OTRCC, OTR foundation, etc, I'm betting on the latter.

The OTR Community Council voted (78% in favor) on Monday to support Willkommen II (final name TBD), including the proposed design of the 6-story infill building the SE corner of Central Parkway and Findlay St. 

53 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

The OTR Community Council voted (78% in favor) on Monday to support Willkommen II (final name TBD), including the proposed design of the 6-story infill building the SE corner of Central Parkway and Findlay St. 

 

I guess 6 stories isn't too tall for OTR after all. 

$10.8 million housing project to be developed near Findlay Market

 

A $10.8 million housing project located in historic Over-the-Rhine is in the works.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/05/27/housing-project-near-findlay-market.html

 

I would recommend checking out the new Somerset Bar progress on Instagram! 
 

They plan on opening End of June and are close to wrapping up.

 

A lot of their decor is imported directly from India and will feature a decorated lawn with cinema nights on a wall projector, a green house atrium bar filled with exotic plants and a roof top bar including space below for food trucks. 
 

Very excited for the debut of this bar as it can finally introduce a little more foot traffic to a very deserted area of North of Liberty and it is shaping up to be one of the more interesting new bars otr has had in a while. 

Taken on my stroll through OTR this morning. 

It has all of the charm of the IRS Service Center in Covington.

The former Moerlein Mansion on 18 mulberry street is proposed for renovations into 9 apartment units.

 

I know this technically borders otr and mt Auburn so wasn’t technically sure where this would fall. 
 

But regardless I’m glad about the added density and to see this treasure repurposed! 

The lines are being spray painted for raised crosswalks on Main today. Looks like 12th up to Liberty at least. 

Only a few more days left to donate until the decision will be made if there are enough to funds to save or demo.

 

They are currently only 750k short but only have until June 5th to make a decision.

 

If you haven’t donated yet, and care about preservation of OTR please donate! 

 

https://www.firstlutherancincy.org/donate

 

More info at this fox 19 link:

 

https://www.fox19.com/2021/06/01/clock-ticking-over-the-rhine-bell-tower-facing-demolition/?fbclid=IwAR1Dk3tmpyamUjYAGKdtRvTKz8ZC5QFvqZsWm2Bk4RiVk1I4wVEGq2YLmIY

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably the best news I’ve heard this week..Motr officially re-opens this weekend!

Update on the First Lutheran Bell Tower:

 

Dear Friend of the Bell Tower,

 

This Saturday, June 5, First Lutheran leadership will meet to determine the fate of the Bell Tower. Heading into our last week of building the case for preservation, we are feeling optimistic for two main reasons:

 

First, over the past week we have secured anonymous pledges in the amount of $600,000! This is a tremendous boon to our campaign that significantly closes the funding gap, and shows the community is willing to step up big time to save this important icon.

 

Secondly, we have a great opportunity to obtain city funding that is still critical to the project. You may have heard that we did not receive the funding we had sought from the city's American Rescue Plan allotment due to restrictions issued at the last minute by the federal government. However, during our advocacy members of city council came forward and verbally expressed their support of the project and their commitment to finding another funding source for us. Those councilmembers are now working with us to secure funding for the Bell Tower through the City's capital budget process, which is expected to be voted on June 23.

 

HERE IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR HELP.

 

Can you attend and speak up for the Bell Tower at one of the budget and finance committee hearings listed below?

 

Thursday, June 3 -- 5 p.m.

Tuesday, June 8 -- 5 p.m.

Wednesday, June 9 -- 5 p.m.

 

Signups are in person at City Hall the day of the meetings, or for Zoom participation register here.

 

If you are unable to attend in person or via Zoom, please take a moment today to send city council an email or make a phone call to let them know why saving the Bell Tower is important to you.

 

Attached we've put together a document listing ten reasons why the Bell Tower is worth saving. Feel free to share it with city council or others, and add your own personal note as you see fit.

 

Your message may look something like this, for example:

 

Dear Members of City Council,

 

I am writing to implore you to direct city funds towards restoring the First Lutheran Bell Tower in the upcoming budget. The community's skyline has already lost far too many steeples, parapets, and towers. If the 126-year-old structure can be restored and preserved for future generations to enjoy, we should embrace the beauty of its exquisite craftsmanship and save it.

 

Thank you for your consideration,

Your Name

 

We know from our work on the American Rescue Plan advocacy that your voice DOES make a difference, and we urge you to join us at this critical stage of our efforts if you are able.

 

Lastly, we want to THANK YOU again for the ways you have supported our calls to action and this important project with your time, talent, and treasure.

 

Onward,

 

Pastor Brian Ferguson (First Lutheran Church)

Kristen Myers (OTR Resident and FLC Member)

Paul Muller (Cincinnati Preservation Association)

Danny Klingler (OTR A.D.O.P.T.)

Few new projects in the city budget and fiance agenda.All new unless i missed them being announced.

 

Authorizing a 15-year tax exemption with 1410 Vine LLC, an affiliate of 3CDC, for a ~$3.6 million commercial development in Over-The-Rhine.

 

 

 

Authorizing a 12-year tax exemption for a mixed-use development at 60 E. McMicken in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$1.2 million project will have five 2-bedroom residential units and 1,800 square feet of commercial space.

 

·

Authorizing a 15-year tax exemption with Broadway Square IV, LLC, and the Port for a mixed-use development at 12th/13th and Main in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$5.2 million project will have 31 residential units and 4,272 square feet of commercial retail and office space.

An 8-year tax exemption for a residential development at 1623 Pleasant Street in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$602k project will renovate an existing building to create 8 residential units.

2 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

Few new projects in the city budget and fiance agenda.All new unless i missed them being announced.

 

Authorizing a 15-year tax exemption with 1410 Vine LLC, an affiliate of 3CDC, for a ~$3.6 million commercial development in Over-The-Rhine.

 

 

 

Authorizing a 12-year tax exemption for a mixed-use development at 60 E. McMicken in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$1.2 million project will have five 2-bedroom residential units and 1,800 square feet of commercial space.

 

·

Authorizing a 15-year tax exemption with Broadway Square IV, LLC, and the Port for a mixed-use development at 12th/13th and Main in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$5.2 million project will have 31 residential units and 4,272 square feet of commercial retail and office space.

An 8-year tax exemption for a residential development at 1623 Pleasant Street in Over-the-Rhine. The ~$602k project will renovate an existing building to create 8 residential units.

Im confused about the 12th and 13th street project for main...that makes it sound like a new structure? 

Remodel existing builings per how ordiance reads.

 

 City Manager
51. 202102093 ORDINANCE (EMERGENCY) submitted by Paula Boggs Muething, City 
Manager, on 6/3/2021, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING the City Manager to 
execute a Community Reinvestment Area Tax Exemption Agreement with 
Broadway Square IV, LLC, an affiliate of The Model Group, Inc., and the Port 
of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority, thereby authorizing a 15-year tax 
exemption for 100% of the value of improvements made to real property 
located at 418-424 E. 12th Street, 555 E. 13th Street, and 1409 Main Street in 
the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of Cincinnati, connection with the 
remodeling of the existing buildings into approximately 4,272 square feet of 
commercial retail and office space and approximately 15,539 square feet of 
residential space consisting of 31 residential units, at a total construction cost 
of approximately $5,178,022

I saw on a Facebook group page that the shell gas station in otr is now hosting to half naked men doing drugs and having full fledged boxing matches...

 

They literally beat up other cars in the process. 
 

I’m so confused as to why this part of OTR remains to be so deeply infested with crime and trash and how the shell station has been declared a public nuisance at this point. 
 

Imagine being an out of town tourist and wanting to stop for gas and seeing this crap go on? They would never return back to otr let alone downtown. 
 

3cdc, the city of Cincinnati and all our city policing officials should feel ashamed and embarrassed on the mark this crap is leaving on our city.

 

 

1 hour ago, Troeros2 said:

I saw on a Facebook group page that the shell gas station in otr is now hosting to half naked men doing drugs and having full fledged boxing matches...

 

They literally beat up other cars in the process. 
 

I’m so confused as to why this part of OTR remains to be so deeply infested with crime and trash and how the shell station has been declared a public nuisance at this point. 
 

Imagine being an out of town tourist and wanting to stop for gas and seeing this crap go on? They would never return back to otr let alone downtown. 
 

3cdc, the city of Cincinnati and all our city policing officials should feel ashamed and embarrassed on the mark this crap is leaving on our city.

 

 

If I recall correctly, there’s one person or an LLC that owns these shell franchises around Cincinnati. They turn a blind eye to all the illegal activities that go on at the stations. 

1 hour ago, RealAdamP said:

If I recall correctly, there’s one person or an LLC that owns these shell franchises around Cincinnati. They turn a blind eye to all the illegal activities that go on at the stations. 

I don’t know why 3cdc is so determined to clean up OTR and create multi million dollar advertising campaigns on luring suburbanites to otr and even potentially out of state tourists if you can’t even have a gas station that is safe enough for people to pump gas at? 
 

I know this all doesn’t fall on one party or another...that said it’s making 3cdc mission kind of fruitless if that gas station will always remain a blight and and a danger to otr and its community.

 

Im kind of surprised that the residents of otr haven’t made a larger up roar about this?

 

I remember there was a shooting in the mt adams UDF and there was a huge community uproar demanding more policing and for more to be done to keep that area safe.

 

Why are the otr residents so utterly silent in this case? Many of them have the ability to start petitions and really make city council aware and create legislation to either declare the shell a public nuisance or have 24/7 policing....but yet the otr community just lets it stay this way...why?

5 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

I saw on a Facebook group page that the shell gas station in otr is now hosting to half naked men doing drugs and having full fledged boxing matches...

 

I'm curious what FB Group(s) you are referring to @Troeros2

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by tonyalexander

1 hour ago, tonyalexander said:

 

I'm curious what FB Group(s) you are referring to @Troeros2

I saw it on my feed (someone shared it). I’m trying to find it but I’m having no luck at the moment. I’ll try again tonight and see if I can scrounge it up. 
 

 

5 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

I don’t know why 3cdc is so determined to clean up OTR and create multi million dollar advertising campaigns on luring suburbanites to otr and even potentially out of state tourists if you can’t even have a gas station that is safe enough for people to pump gas at? 
 

I know this all doesn’t fall on one party or another...that said it’s making 3cdc mission kind of fruitless if that gas station will always remain a blight and and a danger to otr and its community.

 

Im kind of surprised that the residents of otr haven’t made a larger up roar about this?

 

I remember there was a shooting in the mt adams UDF and there was a huge community uproar demanding more policing and for more to be done to keep that area safe.

 

Why are the otr residents so utterly silent in this case? Many of them have the ability to start petitions and really make city council aware and create legislation to either declare the shell a public nuisance or have 24/7 policing....but yet the otr community just lets it stay this way...why?

You would think OTR community county would bring this issue up but they are too worried about complaining that a new infill project is 5 floors while the buildings next to it are 4 floors. 

12 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

You would think OTR community county would bring this issue up but they are too worried about complaining that a new infill project is 5 floors while the buildings next to it are 4 floors. 

And the minute you say anything about the shell situation you get either labeled pro gentrification or a racist. 
 

Crime is crime. Don’t care what color skin you are. Kids live in otr. Families live in otr. Suburbanites visit otr. Tourists rent Airbnb’s and nearby hotels in otr. 
 

There should be a safe place for people to get gas, period, end of story.

 

Instead that area near shell is the worst offender for crime in the entire city and nothing has been done for over 20 years. I’m tired of the bs. I’m tired of being labeled for pointing things out that are wrong.

 

I just wish otr residents would stand up and take a stand and push for the change. The community has so much power if they come together. If otr business owners come together. If community leaders come together.

 

Change can happen and it happens in so many other communities where bs like this doesn’t stand. Otr needs to start standing up and saying no we won’t stand for this bs any longer and really push city council to declare the shell a public nuisance until they make changes that ensures safety for everyone. 

 

 

 

Crime doesn't just disappear when you shut down a place like that.

 

I understand the desire to shut it down, and in general I agree with you. But it takes a lot of resources to shut that down, and keep it from spreading to other places. If you shut down the Shell Station entirely and keep people from loitering around it, they're probably just going to move over to Grant Park, to Back and Hamer Streets, to E Clifton, to Green and Republic.

 

I agree it needs to be fixed. Perhaps the police are waiting until they start renovating some of the northern OTR parks before they shut down the Shell Station and spread out the problem? I don't know. It's not as easy as just shutting down the Shell Station though.

24 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

Crime doesn't just disappear when you shut down a place like that.

 

I understand the desire to shut it down, and in general I agree with you. But it takes a lot of resources to shut that down, and keep it from spreading to other others. If you shut down the Shell Station entirely and keep people from loitering around it, they're probably just going to move over to Grant Park, to Back and Hamer Streets, to E Clifton, to Green and Republic.

 

I agree it needs to be fixed. Perhaps the police are waiting until they start renovating some of the northern OTR parks before they shut down the Shell Station and spread out the problem? I don't know. It's not as easy as just shutting down the Shell Station though.

I get that. But when Galla park can be tried to be shut down as a public nuisance but the 20 year history of violence that has occurred at that shell is perfectly allowed is what really frustrates me.

 

It’s like the entire community, including the city of Cincinnati and 3CDC turn a blind eye to what is occurring at that shell and near that block.

 

Im frustrated because I know that more can be done in the mean time until the rest of otr is developed but nothing is. It’s just a total blind eye like nothing is wrong when people are being harassed when they get gas and experience some sort of outsider violence at that shell on a near daily basis.