You would imagine the city could direct the church to either make the repairs (with the donations received for the work) or sell the property. It is in a historic district, and the city should be able to deny a demo permit if alternatives exist to preserve the integrity of the historic district

^ Per that Business Courier article, it actually sounds like the idea to demolish it actually came from the city:

 

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The city ordered the bell tower’s demolition on Nov. 10, 2020, because of deterioration and structural concerns.

 

Just unbelievable that the city would order a demolition of a historic building in a historic district. You'd think there'd be a process for referring these matters to the Urban Conservator to try to come up with an alternate solution before a demolition was ordered.

Super cool new business opening in otr.

 

Build your own terrariums:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/08/26/tipsy-terrarium-opening-in-otr.html

Get a look at 3CDC’s latest OTR condos

 

Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. is wrapping up the first portion of a two-building renovation project that will ultimately add 11 residential condominiums to Over-the-Rhine.

 

Gosling Flats, the redevelopment of 26 W. 15th Street and 1508 Race St. into residential condos above commercial space, is the latest 3CDC development wrapping up in the historic neighborhood just north of the Central Business District. The project is a total investment of $3.4 million.

 

Sara Bedinghaus, senior development officer at 3CDC, said even though 3CDC has relatively low inventory for residential condos right now, it has seen increased activity.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/08/31/get-a-look-at-3cdc-s-latest-otr-condos-photos.html

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/09/01/findlay-market-garage-contract.html
 

set to begin construction q4 2021.

 

The whole area around Findlay is about to look very different in the next year/Two.

I mapped Cincinnati's 477 registered short-term rentals (Airbnb's). 41% (197) of units are in the 45202 zip code. Building one large apartment building like the one proposed at Liberty and Elm (300 units) will effectively offset all of the registered short-term rental in 45202

 

 

14 minutes ago, thomasbw said:

I mapped Cincinnati's 477 registered short-term rentals (Airbnb's). 41% (197) of units are in the 45202 zip code. Building one large apartment building like the one proposed at Liberty and Elm (300 units) will effectively offset all of the registered short-term rental in 45202

 

 

 

Props for using OSM. Are you making this data available anywhere?

1 hour ago, thomasbw said:

Building one large apartment building like the one proposed at Liberty and Elm (300 units) will effectively offset all of the registered short-term rental in 45202

I understand the point you're making... but I wouldn't use the word "offset" since (as I think you know) demand isn't static. Adding residential density (short term rentals, apartments, or otherwise) in the urban core might (hopefully!) increase further demand for more residential due to synergies, clustering, etc. 

Coworking space, café and event center planned for OTR

 

While I think the project is a good idea and I hope it's successful I really just wanted to post the best rendering I've seen in a Business Courier article. Note to other architects out there, include more owls in your renderings. 

Indeed.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/09/16/coworking-space-cafe-event-center-otr.html

Very cool renderings.  They remind me of the chapter illustrations in the Harry Potter books. 

16 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Very cool renderings.  They remind me of the chapter illustrations in the Harry Potter books. 

I guess it takes all kinds to make a world!!! I find them to be either creepy, or too much like a childrens book. lol

4 hours ago, ucgrady said:

Coworking space, café and event center planned for OTR

 

While I think the project is a good idea and I hope it's successful I really just wanted to post the best rendering I've seen in a Business Courier article. Note to other architects out there, include more owls in your renderings. 

 

Looks like Jim Effler's work.

I think Effler would be offended.

2 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

I think Effler would be offended.

 

From the announcement email: "Our amazing Volkshaus + Action Tank + OTR A.D.O.P.T. logo (email header image) was designed by the extremely talented artist Lindsay Nehls, and the beautiful building renderings were graciously designed by artist Jim Effler."

Ope

23 hours ago, TheCOV said:

I guess it takes all kinds to make a world!!! I find them to be either creepy, or too much like a childrens book. lol

 

There's definitely a creepy vibe, can't tell if it was intentional. The lady in blue in the back on the top image looks like she's got a knife!

23 hours ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

Looks like Jim Effler's work.

I apologize. I had seen his work years ago and I remember it as a whole lot better than those cheesy illustrations. Maybe the budget was a free food tab.

Walking around today at lunch there was a solo bobcat pushing dirt around at Liberty and Elm, is something actually starting to happen or was this guy just bored?

The new model Group central parkway infill project is on the latest hcb packet.

 

I think the proposed rendering that was shown in the packet  is kind of meh…

Oof yeah that's bad...really hoping something more substantial design-wise comes of it. It looks dated already and it isn't even built yet.

The biggest problem is that it's only 4 stories — 1 story shorter than the Parkway Towers building next door. There are only a few vacant lots of this size left in the neighborhood, we need to be adding as many units as possible.

Just now, taestell said:

The biggest problem is that it's only 4 stories — 1 story shorter than the Parkway Towers building next door. There are only a few vacant lots of this size left in the neighborhood, we need to be adding as many units as possible.

Came here to say this too. In addition, how tall is the garage across the street going to be?

I'm sure since it's all affordable housing they are trying to do it as cheaply as possible, but you can still build 5 stories with wood frame so I'm not sure why they are only proposing 4, especially when it's literally next door to a 5 story building. 

Usually the difference between 4 and 5 is the elevator/

The first renderings for the county's Findlay Market garage were shared at the OTR Community Council last night. Full pack here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k382bivagugh37x/Findlay Market Garage OTR Council 27SEP2021.pdf?dl=0

 

 

Those fake facades are......................................... not great

Absolutely horrendous idea. There are way better options to mask a garage and this just cheapens the historic buildings that still exist near it

reminds me of this monstrosity (City Link Center)

 

Yeah, the faux historic thing is terrible. There are better ways that they can make the garage "blend in".

 

Out of curiosity, has Findlay Market ever made any comments about this garage allowing them to redevelop or reprogram the surface lots to the north and south of the market? I think some of the community opposition to this garage would be reduced if they explicitly said it was part of a larger master plan to add more vendor space or mixed use development replacing the existing lots.

Oh no

how about this

Findlay Market should be embarrassed to be seen with that thing. Why does a city with so much treasure consistently choose to frame that treasure with aluminum foil?

In other news, the Clyffside Brewery was bought by Southern Ohio Holding Organization LLC for $800k on 9/21. Looks like they’re part of https://www.sugarcreek.com. Maybe a new HQ for them? 

1 hour ago, Miami-Erie said:

In other news, the Clyffside Brewery was bought by Southern Ohio Holding Organization LLC for $800k on 9/21. Looks like they’re part of https://www.sugarcreek.com. Maybe a new HQ for them? 

 

They also purchased several parcels at the corner of Elm & Liberty... will be interested to see what the plan is there. 

1 hour ago, wjh2 said:

 

They also purchased several parcels at the corner of Elm & Liberty... will be interested to see what the plan is there. 

Do you know which lots?

14 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Do you know which lots?

 

1541 Elm

1539 Elm

1537 Elm

1535 Elm

4 hours ago, Miami-Erie said:

In other news, the Clyffside Brewery was bought by Southern Ohio Holding Organization LLC for $800k on 9/21. Looks like they’re part of https://www.sugarcreek.com. Maybe a new HQ for them? 

Will be an event center space, similar to the plans that received historic tax credits a few years ago.

22 hours ago, taestell said:

Yeah, the faux historic thing is terrible. There are better ways that they can make the garage "blend in".

 

Out of curiosity, has Findlay Market ever made any comments about this garage allowing them to redevelop or reprogram the surface lots to the north and south of the market? I think some of the community opposition to this garage would be reduced if they explicitly said it was part of a larger master plan to add more vendor space or mixed use development replacing the existing lots.

That would be great, but with the pending loss of the west parking lot for the senior housing project I don't know if there will be enough parking to replace the north and south lots.

I do not love the glass stairway, but it does make a lot of sense from a safety standpoint. 

1 hour ago, mcmicken said:

That would be great, but with the pending loss of the west parking lot for the senior housing project I don't know if there will be enough parking to replace the north and south lots.

 

Are you being real or sarcastic?

uuuuughhhh.... its a parking garage... howsabout be honest and not wrap it it with low-quality imitation.  VERY rarely does this faux historic stuff work - even when its on a function that it could potentially/conceivably/maybe be applied to with some sense of historic correctness.  there are so many ways this could be better, green wall system, LED panel displays, expanded wire screens, wire mesh, kinetic wall...

 

I was recently in st. Louis/Clayton and there was a parking garage with a kinetic installation running the full block.  the kids & I would watch it for 20 minutes each day.  (the attached image is not it and not the correct scale) 

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Are you being real or sarcastic?

Should have made that more clear, from the viewpoint of the Market loosing more parking is not desirable so I don't see them rushing to redevelop them anytime soon without more structured parking somewhere for employees, visitors, and occupants of the new and redeveloped buildings.

 

Personally, I'd love to see a better use of the surface parking lots and in fact advocated for that as part of the Brewery District Master Plan.

18 hours ago, zsnyder said:

Findlay Market should be embarrassed to be seen with that thing. Why does a city with so much treasure consistently choose to frame that treasure with aluminum foil?

well christo does cloth and cincinnati does aluminum. maybe a cost savings who knows. 

This is an honest question: to what extent is this second garage actually needed in order to meet FC Cincinnati's parking demands? Have the other parking garages in OTR been overwhelmed/sold out on game nights?

Freezing the neighborhood in time and turning it into a theme park is a recipe for dumb. Why can't the new construction in the neighborhood be...new. Add quality neighbors to the historic buildings and those buildings will one day too be historical (imagine that).  That's what longevity looks like to me. 

Not this coloring book approach.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

This is an honest question: to what extent is this second garage actually needed in order to meet FC Cincinnati's parking demands? Have the other parking garages in OTR been overwhelmed/sold out on game nights?

Yes all the garages semi close to the stadium fill up on game nights.  Most games are on Saturday nights as well so those garages are also filled with people going to other places in the area besides the soccer game. 

 

This second county garage will get filled on game nights for sure because the team gets to pocket the money on those days.  They'll assign however may parking passes they're allowed to for this garage and include them in season tickets.  The garage can obviously be used on non gamedays as well for anyone going to Findlay market or other places in the area. I'm sure some who live in the area will also get the ability to buy a monthly spot.  

 

Despite what some on here think north of Liberty will definitely need additional parking added as it continues to develop.  I'd prefer all that parking be underground, but I'm not the one paying for it.  

Having most of the attendance for one large event, park their cars immediately next to the venue, is a terrible idea. It places hundreds of cars on the road at the exact same time, which will never go well. It is more efficient to disperse the crowd in different directions by walking, biking or riding the streetcar to other lots and garages so the surge in traffic is easier to manage. This is more poor planning by the City and County.

16 hours ago, mcmicken said:

Should have made that more clear, from the viewpoint of the Market loosing more parking is not desirable so I don't see them rushing to redevelop them anytime soon without more structured parking somewhere for employees, visitors, and occupants of the new and redeveloped buildings.

 

Personally, I'd love to see a better use of the surface parking lots and in fact advocated for that as part of the Brewery District Master Plan.

 

But the new parking garage is going to have many more spots than the lots provided. So it's still a net gain. And to continue to grow and succeed the market needs more people living nearby. Put a bunch of apartments on those lots and all of a sudden you have hundreds of new customers who can keep the merchants busy during the week when people are not driving in from Blue Ash and Montgomery.