1 hour ago, Troeros2 said:

Is it just me or has Aftab been very hidden behind the curtains…I feel like I heard mayor cranley mentioned constantly during his mayor tenure.

 

I feel exactly the opposite. Aftab is constantly posting what he's up to on social media in a way that Cranley never did.

4 hours ago, Dev said:

It feels weird to go through all the effort to demolish an extremely old and unique building on a very wide road to just replace it with a 4 story boutique hotel

It is a 150 room hotel, right? 4 -5 stories seems like the right height for a project like that. I would prefer something taller too though.

Something in the 8-10 story range  would feel more appropriate. 1) you should at least go as tall as music hall and TQL, 2) it is not in OTR but the West End and therefore, less to worry about disturbing the OTR architecture. 

The FCC hotel will be in the west end but the hotel by the owner of the pitch is in OTR.  I believe that is the hotel Dev is referring to.  

Yes, I was referring to the proposed hotel east of Central in OTR.

 

IIRC Central is 150' wide and if the vast majority of the buildings are 4 floors or less, it's going to feel really barren and hostile no matter how the street is eventually redesigned.

Substantial structural work is underway at 1635 Vine, adjacent to the old Tucker's location, with portions of the structural brick walls getting completely rebuilt.

 

Glad to see that. That wall was really bowing out

It would really help if the city, would plan to do an updated streetscape on North Vine Street, help push progress along on that stretch of road. 

8 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

It would really help if the city, would plan to do an updated streetscape on North Vine Street, help push progress along on that stretch of road. 

I feel like the streetscape follows the development, not the other way around. Not to say that it couldn't happen the other way around, but construction tears up the sidewalks a lot.

Davis Furniture is nothing more than a pile of rubble, slowly getting hauled out:

 

 

Foundation of the building now exposed along Wilkymacky Alley:

 

1 hour ago, savadams13 said:

It would really help if the city, would plan to do an updated streetscape on North Vine Street, help push progress along on that stretch of road. 

 

1 hour ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I feel like the streetscape follows the development, not the other way around. Not to say that it couldn't happen the other way around, but construction tears up the sidewalks a lot.

I live in this area and as excited as I am to see the streetscape improved, I do think it makes sense to wait until the big construction projects are completed. 

25 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

I live in this area and as excited as I am to see the streetscape improved, I do think it makes sense to wait until the big construction projects are completed. 

I don't disagree, but the development is moving much slower north of liberty. I bring family through the city and everyone loves south vine and then we cross over liberty and its the same comment every time, "where the hell are we now? this looks war torn" I always reassure them that the south part looked just as ugly as the north part looks now. 

 

1 hour ago, savadams13 said:

I don't disagree, but the development is moving much slower north of liberty. I bring family through the city and everyone loves south vine and then we cross over liberty and its the same comment every time, "where the hell are we now? this looks war torn" I always reassure them that the south part looked just as ugly as the north part looks now. 

 

Speaking of North Vine. Findlay Parkside hasn’t started yet has it? I know they were mentioning of starting in 2021 but haven’t been up that way to see if any work has began.

What’s 3cdc up to lately? It seems like the majority of their projects are wrapping up…usually they have quite a few projects in the pipeline that they announce ahead of time. 
 

it’s been really slow and I’m curious if they are struggling with finding funding due to the current economic climate/fear of an upcoming recession.

27 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

What’s 3cdc up to lately? It seems like the majority of their projects are wrapping up…usually they have quite a few projects in the pipeline that they announce ahead of time. 
 

it’s been really slow and I’m curious if they are struggling with finding funding due to the current economic climate/fear of an upcoming recession.

I’d assume the whole convention hotel district is taking up a decent amount of the time that they would be spending on other projects as well as they may also like many other companies be short staffed at the moment. 
 

 

North of Liberty has so much promise in the pipeline.  Model projects on the Market are nearing start of construction while near-Market builds are underway (Elm, Elder, Vine), Sugar Creek is actively working on brewery buildings, and the neighboring hotel projects are pursuing approvals.  Here's hoping the Elm/Liberty nimby runs out of legal fees, and then we're cooking with gas up here.

14 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

What’s 3cdc up to lately? It seems like the majority of their projects are wrapping up…usually they have quite a few projects in the pipeline that they announce ahead of time. 
 

it’s been really slow and I’m curious if they are struggling with finding funding due to the current economic climate/fear of an upcoming recession.

 

They're working on leasing up Wilkommen, Behlen, and Keyer Row, finishing up Court Street and the Foundry, and planning the convention district and Findlay Rec Center. 

 

Seems like a lot going on to me. 

15 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Speaking of North Vine. Findlay Parkside hasn’t started yet has it? I know they were mentioning of starting in 2021 but haven’t been up that way to see if any work has began.

The Findlay Parkside project was delayed a bit so that it will come on line around the time that the new Rec Center opens (on Findlay Playground) and the old rec center gets renovated. A lot will be changing over the next couple of years.

 

 

14 hours ago, Troeros2 said:

What’s 3cdc up to lately?

Getting off topic since this is the "non-3CDC" thread, but here's the next phase of renovations slated by 3CDC: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/community-engagement-meetings1/past-community-engagement-meetings/proposed-tax-incremental-financing-tif-district-funds-for-mixed-income-housing-sites-in-over-the-rhine/

 

After that phase, the next round of renovations will focus around the Findlay Playground area.  

Moved the 3CDC focused discussion to the 3CDC thread.

I think there is still a lot of effort being put into making the Court Street Plaza successful, and probably thinking about what a second phase would look like if they continued the streetscape east to the Courthouse and put another 1010 On The Rhine-style development on the block to the south.

33 minutes ago, taestell said:

I think there is still a lot of effort being put into making the Court Street Plaza successful, and probably thinking about what a second phase would look like if they continued the streetscape east to the Courthouse and put another 1010 On The Rhine-style development on the block to the south.

That would be fantastic, I just hope they can find a better architect for the design of the parking garage portion. I cringe driving or walking down central and looking up at the east side of the 1010 building, looks like it was completely forgotten and never properly designed/thought out, so it was never executed properly in the field. 

They are also planning for Garfield 

12 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

I cringe driving or walking down central and looking up at the east side of the 1010 building, looks like it was completely forgotten and never properly designed/thought out, so it was never executed properly in the field. 

 

Yeah I don't really understand why the east side of 1010 is so ugly and has that bizarre section where the facade just stops and concrete is exposed below that. Maybe they are expecting something tall to be built replacing the 1-story building at the corner of Main and Central Parkway some day, in which case that part of 1010 won't be visible from the street. Or they just don't care that the building is ugly from that side.

Permit filed for the Wilkommen II building on Central Parkway north of Liberty. Anyone have renderings? Haven't been able to find any. (I don't believe 3CDC is involved in Wilkommen II but I could be wrong; seems like Model Group only?)

 

https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/opal/apd.aspx?QSPerm=2022P06127

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/local12.com/amp/news/local/childrens-theatre-cincinnati-emery-theater-tif-funding-city-project-arts-performances-historic-over-the-rhine-cost-project-money-funds-local-12-wkrc-tristate-ohio-kentucky-indiana-news

^I'm a little confused by this project asking for TIF dollars without saying what they want to use it for. I assume the easiest ask would be to spend it on streetscaping but the condition of the sidewalks is good and it'd be better to wait until Main gets converted and/or Central gets redesigned.

 

Can they really use TIF on the theater itself even though it is privately owned? Does being in the OTR historic district give them enough justification to spend the money on preservation of the building?

Oh I'm sure there's a way the TIF funding can be spent on the building itself and not just the infrastructure around it. It may require using some loophole like selling the theater to the city for $1 then immediately selling it to the Children's Theatre for $1.

lol that figures

Well they could use it toward the entry condition into the building and a new marquee, which would follow under allowable use of TIF funds without causing too much heartburn...

22 hours ago, Pdrome513 said:

Permit filed for the Wilkommen II building on Central Parkway north of Liberty. Anyone have renderings? Haven't been able to find any. (I don't believe 3CDC is involved in Wilkommen II but I could be wrong; seems like Model Group only?)

 

https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/opal/apd.aspx?QSPerm=2022P06127

 

The project at 1684 Central Parkway (SW corner with Findlay St) is now called "Griffon Apartments" and is a Model Group project. It went before the Historic Conservation Board in Sept 2021 and you can view the latest designs starting on page 152 at https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation-board-archived-cases/september-27-2021-case-materials-and-staff-report/

 

 

Would have loved to see this infill building be at least 5 stories, matching the historic building next to it. There are only so many vacant lots where you can build new infill in the urban core, we need to be adding more units where we can.

On 7/21/2022 at 4:59 PM, taestell said:

Would have loved to see this infill building be at least 5 stories, matching the historic building next to it. There are only so many vacant lots where you can build new infill in the urban core, we need to be adding more units where we can.

They try but then they get sued for idiotic reasons.  

On 7/15/2022 at 11:55 AM, taestell said:

Yeah I don't really understand why the east side of 1010 is so ugly and has that bizarre section where the facade just stops and concrete is exposed below that.

The original plans had a ramp for parking garage access that lead from that spot down to Main Street. I think at some point they must have realized this would make it even harder for semi trucks to access the loading docks so they nixed it (also could have been to save money or maybe the city didn't want the hassle of traffic right there next to the streetcar, who knows) Now the garage is only accessible from Central but a ramp to Main street was definitely part of the original plans. 

Can anyone talk about the legality of the street parties that are being thrown on Main Street after 2am.

 

saw the Reddit thread that discussed this on r/Cincinnati.

 

 

it really is inane. Random unlicensed merchants cooking food on grills in the middle of various street blocks.

 

Cars will park on side street, with doors wide open and blast music and dance parties and cookouts will occur until 4-5am.

 

Steers have become so congested and filled with people.

 

Not really a bad thing, as I think it adds some vibrancy but the amount of trash that is scattered about and left for the next morning is utterly insane. 
 

also, these are unlicensed street vendors using propane tanks -would hate for some accident to happen because of misuse.

 

cops are obviously stationed at each block on main and see this occurring and don’t do anything to stop this - I think they kind have accepted these mass party cookouts at this point.

 

That being said, it’s definitely an interesting vibe, but there is ALOT of illicit behavior going on - including open drug trading, open container drinking, smoking next to unlicensed propane tanks, fighting that brakes out.

 

 

im surprised 3cdc hasn’t talked city council yet and asked cpd to shut these open mass gathering cookout events down. 
 

 

 

 

Shocker that CPD continues to be completely useless.  

You cannot imagine the trash on Main Saturday morning. I've never seen anything like it.  I should have photographed it. I venture that there was not one square foot of street or sidewalk that did not have food, cups, paper, etc. on it.

1 hour ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

You cannot imagine the trash on Main Saturday morning. I've never seen anything like it.  I should have photographed it. I venture that there was not one square foot of street or sidewalk that did not have food, cups, paper, etc. on it.

to be fair the trash cans are overfilled. 
 

but yes, the trash is insane. 
 

what’s interesting it’s clear these aren’t Otr residents. I mean not all of them. There is literally thousands. The streets transform to Times Square nyc - it becomes a little baby Brazil. 
 

but who is doing the organizing is not clear - this has become a massive organized effort - it’s a truly genuine festival every night after 2am filled with thousands of people.

 

where do they come from? Who is organizing such a large event? So many questions.

2 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

Shocker that CPD continues to be completely useless.  

to be fair - a lot about policing has changed since 2020 and George Floyd. Especially when it comes to policing the black community. It’s a very thin and delicate line that every urban cop has ingrained into their mind at this point. 

1 hour ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

You cannot imagine the trash on Main Saturday morning. I've never seen anything like it.  I should have photographed it. I venture that there was not one square foot of street or sidewalk that did not have food, cups, paper, etc. on it.

This had mostly to do with downtown and OTR being filled to the max during Cincinnati Musicfest the crowds where truly enormous.

2 minutes ago, 646empire said:

This had mostly to do with downtown and OTR being filled to the max during Cincinnati Musicfest the crowds where truly enormous.

True - but to be fair it’s been like this every weekend for months now. 

CPD has started closing down Main Street at 12th and 13th on weekend late nights. I'm not sure how long the closures are for but that has helped with crowding on the sidewalks.

 

I also noticed that Woodward Street was closed late Saturday, which probably explains more crowding on Main Street.

 

It seems like CPD has been working with the community groups on some of the issues you are raising but I don't know if they plan on going any further at the moment.

 

 

turns out I was wrong again. there is life in cincy. i just happen to be in bed at 2am. as far as the trash goes, shame on the people who don't respect themselves enough to be courteous. Ive been in many med. beach towns. Turns out, people don't come out until 2am. I think that was because people didn't have AC in the past. So, the street life became the place to be in the summer heat. Now if this is happening in Jan. Feb. we got a problem.

Sounds like the LAification of OTR. Anyone selling sausages?

21 hours ago, JYP said:

CPD has started closing down Main Street at 12th and 13th on weekend late nights. I'm not sure how long the closures are for but that has helped with crowding on the sidewalks.

 

I also noticed that Woodward Street was closed late Saturday, which probably explains more crowding on Main Street.

 

It seems like CPD has been working with the community groups on some of the issues you are raising but I don't know if they plan on going any further at the moment.

 

 

but isn’t it illegal to loiter on the streets and have unregistered and unlicensed food vendors? I just don’t understand why exceptions are made for some, but for others not so much? The cops watch this activity and they don’t do anything, they just drive by and watch. 

6 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

but isn’t it illegal to loiter on the streets and have unregistered and unlicensed food vendors? I just don’t understand why exceptions are made for some, but for others not so much? The cops watch this activity and they don’t do anything, they just drive by and watch. 

The cops do that with red light running, people parking on side walks, in bike lanes, and on crosswalks. Nothing new. I lived on Main for almost 4 years and the parties happened before the pandemic and after. The streets are absolutely disgusting Saturday and Sunday mornings. Not sure what the solution is.

An easy fix would be to get a bunch of dumpsters that the garbage can go in.  But apparently that is too much critical thinking for our police department and city.  

35 minutes ago, Dcs3939 said:

The cops do that with red light running, people parking on side walks, in bike lanes, and on crosswalks. Nothing new. I lived on Main for almost 4 years and the parties happened before the pandemic and after. The streets are absolutely disgusting Saturday and Sunday mornings. Not sure what the solution is.

I mean the cops can flash their lights and say go home you can’t do that…but don’t know if they’ve tried that yet lol

how about having a Main Street "Best Looking Facade and Sidewalk contest" and even extend it into the street. Announce winners once a week and give a hundred dollar prize. (plus signage) You had to clean a mess up but there could be $100.00 every week. okay $200.00 per week.

On 7/26/2022 at 12:01 PM, Troeros2 said:

but isn’t it illegal to loiter on the streets and have unregistered and unlicensed food vendors? I just don’t understand why exceptions are made for some, but for others not so much? The cops watch this activity and they don’t do anything, they just drive by and watch. 

 

I mean, middle class white folks can basically "loiter" and drink anywhere they want in the city. So I'm not sure that the exceptions are being made only for the people partying on Main Street. You pretty much don't have to worry about open container laws in Cincinnati (or any big city for that matter).

Cincinnati is so strict about grills.