It will be interesting to see how Main Street changes in the next few years as some of the players who want to make it into a more Vine Street-like experience battle the players who want to keep it a college party zone. There are some interesting tenant changes coming in 2023.

On 7/29/2022 at 8:21 AM, taestell said:

It will be interesting to see how Main Street changes in the next few years as some of the players who want to make it into a more Vine Street-like experience battle the players who want to keep it a college party zone. There are some interesting tenant changes coming in 2023.

 

What are the tenant changes?

I wonder if 3CDC has its sights on the Salvation Army block between 12th, Central, Clay and Main.

Edited August 1, 20222 yr by Miami-Erie
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That would be a great block to develop if the Salvation Army could be moved. 

16 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

That would be a great block to develop if the Salvation Army could be moved. 

Moved or relocated in part of the new building built on that block.

If Reddit is any indicator, it sounds like OTR might just have received the final nail in the coffin for many. A lot of people are scared to go down to Otr now at night…they specifically mention how the block parties overwhelm many and a constant theme is discussed about how these block parties bring a lot of illicit behavior and the shootings have become more frequent…almost occurring every weekend now down on main. People have had enough…no one should be accepting of this bs behavior. 

Not sure why cpd, 3cdc, city council and Aftab are burying their heads in the sand regarding the block parties, and the constant fighting and violence that occurs due to the public intoxication and drug trading and use during these block parties. 
 

Not to mention the amount of trash that is left behind the next day…

 

I know there are quite a few Otr residents here, and im shocked that there aren’t more people up and arms about this situation and aren’t heading to city hall to push change.

 

I know the solution is multi dimensional and is complex and won’t happen in a day or even a month…but at the very least a good start would be to stop the block parties. 
 

we are running a real risk of reversing Otr reputation that took many years and decades to change if change isn’t made and isn’t made soon. 

 

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by Troeros2

50 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

 

If Reddit is any indicator, it sounds like OTR might just have received the final nail in the coffin for many.

 

No offense but I get the impression that most of those reddit people don’t go to OTR to begin with and may not even live in the city lol.

 

50 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

but at the very least a good start would be to stop the block parties.

Also it’s not about a block party lol. Main Street is bustling with a ton bars and other businesses. It’s about security and deterrence. Bad apples are attracted to big active crowds/areas.

No the block parties are definitely the issue and they need to be stopped.  This part of Main St has been crowded for 10+ years now and only in the last year has violence become a problem.  The block parties have been the new development that is brining in the crowd causing the shootings.  The bar patrons aren't the ones causing these issues, it's the block party people.  Shut these stupid parties down and you'll stop having a shooting every weekend. 

 

This is completely on CPD for allowing these to occur during the last couple years.  Instead of doing their job they turned a blind eye to these illegal parties and have let them get completely out of control.  Now it's time to get off your asses and do your jobs.  

15 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

No the block parties are definitely the issue and they need to be stopped.

Am I missing something???? I’ve been to Main Street multiple times recently. What “BLOCK PARTIES”??? Lol. A block party is usually an event that has a permit from a city and usually happens with a street closure or 2. That’s NOT what I’ve seen. I think some of you are actually under cover complaining about the sheer amount of non bar patron people who are just hanging out and clogging up side walks (PUBLIC SIDEWALKs) and slowing traffic at times by spilling into the street. Sorry I have to say this but it’s also a racial component to this as well as these groups are mostly black. As I said more security/police for keeping people on the sidewalks and out of the streets along with more patrol units can help.

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by 646empire

21 minutes ago, 646empire said:

No offense but I get the impression that most of those reddit people don’t go to OTR to begin with and may not even live in the city lol.

 

Also it’s not about a block party lol. Main Street is bustling with a ton bars and other businesses. It’s about security and deterrence. Bad apples are attracted to big active crowds/areas.

it’s absolutely about the block parties.

 

why are people allowed the blast music until 4-5am? Otr is a residential area I thought? Aren’t there also families and little sleeping children that live in otr?
 

why are people allowed to literally TRASH blocks upon blocks of streets. Imagine a tourist visiting Otr for the first time on a Sunday morning and they see mountains of trash scattered across block upon blocks. It’s disgusting and gives the city a terrible unclean image.

 

why are people allowed to bring their grills and propane tanks on city owned side walks? Without a vending license and inspections? Improper use can cause a terrible fire/explosions.

 

why are people allowed to publicly drink alcohol on the streets with open containers? Otr isn’t a Dora district. 

so much bs is being swept under the rug. Enough is enough. These block parties aren’t being held by Otr residents, they are outsiders, some former residents who are trying to take back their neighborhood and are on the verge of destroying Otr reputation if change isn’t made soon. 
 

and this isn’t me being hyperbolic - people are legit afraid of going to Otr at night again - if you guys are cool with Otr reverting back to its former glory when it was a violent drug den then have at it. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Am I missing something???? I’ve been to Main Street multiple times recently. What “BLOCK PARTIES”??? Lol. A block party is usually an event that has a permit from a city and usually happens with a street closure or 2. That’s NOT what I’ve seen. I think some of you are actually under cover complaining about the sheer amount of non bar patron people who are just hanging out and clogging up side walks (PUBLIC SIDEWALKs) and slowing traffic at times by spilling into the street. Sorry I have to say this but it’s also a racial component to this as well as these groups are mostly black. As I said more security/police with keep people on the sidewalks and out of the streets along with more patrol units can help.

 

It occurs every weekend and has occurred since the pandemic- it’s worse on fcc game nights. People park their cars, blast their speakers, grilling on the streets, crowds converge, illegal open containers, open drug use…doing all of this until 5am at night…

 

 

this used to be a storage warehouse event in camp Washington but something occurred to that location and the head organizer decided to move the location to Otr. It grew and grew over time... now the party size is insane.
 

fights break out because they groups get to drunk or to high or whatever and they resolve their issues by shooting one another. it’s happening almost every weekend now .

7 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Am I missing something???? I’ve been to Main Street multiple times recently. What “BLOCK PARTIES”??? Lol. A block party is usually an event that has a permit from a city and usually happens with a street closure or 2. That’s NOT what I’ve seen. I think some of you are actually under cover complaining about the sheer amount of non bar patron people who are just hanging out and clogging up side walks (PUBLIC SIDEWALKs) and slowing traffic at times by spilling into the street. Sorry I have to say this but it’s also a racial component to this as well as these groups are mostly black. As I said more security/police for keeping people on the sidewalks and out of the streets along with more patrol units can help.

maybe block parties isn’t the correct terminology…it’s a mass organized party though. Clearly the people with the grills

and the cars that are always parked on the same corners know what time to show up on.

7 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

maybe block parties isn’t the correct terminology…it’s a mass organized party though. Clearly the people with the grills

and the cars that are always parked on the same corners know what time to show up on.

Thank you for that. I agree if people are setting up grills, portable loud speakers and such that stuff needs to be cleared as long as it’s a violation of city code. Which goes back to the need for more security/police patrols focused on this kind of stuff.

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by 646empire

people who dont live in urban areas love declaring that urban areas are going to die (see: Chicago, Portland, SF, NYC, etc). A tale as old as time!

3 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Am I missing something???? I’ve been to Main Street multiple times recently. What “BLOCK PARTIES”??? Lol. A block party is usually an event that has a permit from a city and usually happens with a street closure or 2. That’s NOT what I’ve seen. I think some of you are actually under cover complaining about the sheer amount of non bar patron people who are just hanging out and clogging up side walks (PUBLIC SIDEWALKs) and slowing traffic at times by spilling into the street. Sorry I have to say this but it’s also a racial component to this as well as these groups are mostly black. As I said more security/police with keep people on the sidewalks and out of the streets along with more patrol units can help.

Lol at calling these organized parties people just "hanging out."  You're part of the problem if you're ok with the unsafe clusterf*ck Main St has become every weekend. 

6 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Lol at calling these organized parties people just "hanging out."  You're part of the problem if you're ok with the unsafe clusterf*ck Main St has become every weekend. 

You seem angry at something deeper lol. It’s a “clusterf*uck” because of the sheer amount of people in the area that’s kind of the definition right?? It’s unsafe because the police need to step up and crowd control better. I’m certain after this past weekend they will.

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by 646empire

15 minutes ago, seaswan said:

people who dont live in urban areas love declaring that urban areas are going to die (see: Chicago, Portland, SF, NYC, etc). A tale as old as time!

 
Exactly. Meanwhile rents are thru the roof and occupancy is 97%+. I’m looking for a new unit in NYC and the market is beyond white hot. I remember these same people screaming from the hills NYC was long gone dead a year or 2 ago, even wealthy older whites are renting cities most expensive units wanting to be in the urban center lollll. Anyway different topic.

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by 646empire

8 minutes ago, seaswan said:

people who dont live in urban areas love declaring that urban areas are going to die (see: Chicago, Portland, SF, NYC, etc). A tale as old as time!

Cities are going to be fine, but certain neighborhoods are more fine than others.

There’s many people and families who would love to live in OTR because it’s dense and beautiful but just won’t do it because of the gun violence.

 

Until we can get rid of the gun violence in OTR it’s going to suppress the market from reaching its potential. 

First of all, this:

 

14 minutes ago, seaswan said:

people who dont live in urban areas love declaring that urban areas are going to die (see: Chicago, Portland, SF, NYC, etc). A tale as old as time!

 

OTR is not dying, this is not a "nail in the coffin" for the area. People who were scared of going downtown before declaring that they're "never going downtown again" has no impact on anything.

 

However, there is a major problem that needs to be addressed. What is happening on Main Street is definitely more than people "hanging out", they are definitely more like unofficial/unauthorized block parties with huge crowds of people, lots of a bad behavior, and a "powder keg" type of environment where any minor scuffle is going to escalate into a shooting like what happened this weekend.

 

Anecdotally I have heard that a lot of these crowds are upset about what they view as gentrification of the neighborhood and there is definitely a "take the neighborhood back" attitude to some of these gatherings. I think it's no coincidence that many of these parties are happening right outside Mr. Pitiful's which is a bar that had a sudden dramatic change from a diverse, long-time neighborhood hangout to a college party bar.

52 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

No the block parties are definitely the issue and they need to be stopped.  This part of Main St has been crowded for 10+ years now and only in the last year has violence become a problem.  The block parties have been the new development that is brining in the crowd causing the shootings.  The bar patrons aren't the ones causing these issues, it's the block party people.  Shut these stupid parties down and you'll stop having a shooting every weekend. 

 

This is completely on CPD for allowing these to occur during the last couple years.  Instead of doing their job they turned a blind eye to these illegal parties and have let them get completely out of control.  Now it's time to get off your asses and do your jobs.  

 

Violent crime is slightly down this year from last, and exactly the same as in 2019. There are not shootings every weekend. There have been 15 total shootings in OTR this year, compared to 23 at this point last year, and 18 at this point in 2019. Most of them are north of Liberty and east of Race, like they have  been for several years. 

16 minutes ago, Guy23 said:

Cities are going to be fine, but certain neighborhoods are more fine than others.

There’s many people and families who would love to live in OTR because it’s dense and beautiful but just won’t do it because of the gun violence.

 

Until we can get rid of the gun violence in OTR it’s going to suppress the market from reaching its potential. 

 

It's the most expensive neighborhood in the city on a per square foot basis. Apparently a lot of people see its potential and are spending a lot of money to live there. 

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Violent crime is slightly down this year from last, and exactly the same as in 2019. There are not shootings every weekend. There have been 15 total shootings in OTR this year, compared to 23 at this point last year, and 18 at this point in 2019. Most of them are north of Liberty and east of Race, like they have  been for several years. 

And imagine what the stats would be without these block parties? 
 

the majority of these shootings, lately at least, have stemmed from these block parties. If anything, this gives further credence as to why these block parties should be stopped. 
 

Otr is actually getting cleaned up by and large, but these block parties are like infested termites in your house. They are rotting away a major artery of Otr that is home to many businesses and residents.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by Troeros2

1 minute ago, Troeros2 said:

And imagine what the stats would be without these block parties? 
 

the majority of these shootings, lately at least, have stemmed from these block parties. If anything, this gives further credence as to why these block parties should be stopped. 

 

 

What evidence do you have of that? A feeling?

27 minutes ago, 646empire said:

You seem angry at something deeper lol. It’s a “clusterf*uck” because of the sheer amount of people in the area that’s kind of the definition right?? It’s unsafe because the police need to step up and crowd control better. I’m certain after this past weekend they will.

there are police on every block. They have blocked main st to traffic and have stationed patrols on Main. There is a la TVe police presence already.  They shine spot lights on alleyways near Ziegler to deter crime, doesn’t help. 

What needs to be done is the cops need to come out in a full blitz mode, shine their lights and push the crowds out. 
 

no doubt there is a movement…these former residents want their neighborhood back and are trying to reclaim their territory…I imagine cpd is worried about a potential riot…but we can’t let fear overrule justice and what’s right. 
 

im not upset block parties, block parties occur all around the world though South America and Europe and Asia. This is a very different situation though. If people were acting accordingly then I wouldn’t care - but so many laws are being broken and we have to respect law and order.

 

8 minutes ago, taestell said:

What is happening on Main Street is definitely more than people "hanging out"

What I mean by “hanging out” are individuals that are on the streets with no intention of really going to/spending money at any of the businesses. They are people who are there just to be in the mix of the crowds and maybe even doing things that they shouldn’t be such as grilling on a public sidewalk or smoking weed etc. I don’t mean it as in hanging out at a park with a book, omg lol.

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It's the most expensive neighborhood in the city on a per square foot basis. Apparently a lot of people see its potential and are spending a lot of money to live there. 

I’m not saying OTR is dying or anything. I lived there for 5 years when it was much worse than it is now and I know how great it is.

 

It’s just that the gun violence is keeping it well below it’s potential. Like I said, there are many people who choose not to live in OTR solely because of the gun violence, and that reduces demand for the neighborhood and lessens population growth. 
 

8 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

What evidence do you have of that? A feeling?

I’m not going to argue. It’s pointless. Enjoy less people going down to Otr - people don’t feel safe anymore. That’s a fact. 

1 minute ago, Troeros2 said:

Enjoy less people going down to Otr - people don’t feel safe anymore. That’s a fact. 

 

A couple people on Reddit saying it does not make it a fact.

6 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

What evidence do you have of that? A feeling?

People who live on or around Main St and Ziegler Park.  There is a shooting in this area almost every week and they are 100% not being put into the news/counted in your stats.  Why that is happening could be for plenty of reasons.  But your stats do not match up with reality.  

 

Those that I know who live in this area have already moved or are planning on moving because it has become is a million times worse then 3 years ago.  It started in 2020 during covid when cops basically stopped criminalizing drinking in public.  This group of people have taken that inch and ran a mile with it.  Until these block parties are stomped out this isn't going to get any better.  

4 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

What needs to be done is the cops need to come out in a full blitz mode, shine their lights and push the crowds out.

You do realize Main Street is a well known entertainment/bar district. The last thing you want is to “push crowds out” 

 

7 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

no doubt there is a movement…these former residents want their neighborhood back and are trying to reclaim their territory…

Wow this speaks volumes. “Former residents want their neighborhood back”??????

Reclaim their “Territory”??????? 
 

I rest my case.

3 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

A couple people on Reddit saying it does not make it a fact.

I mean…I don’t know who exactly would be excited to hang out next weekend in Otr after the constant news of shootings on Main…it’s one thing if this was a one off event. But these shootings have become a trending theme lately on Main. It makes sense why some would be apprehensive. 

7 minutes ago, Guy23 said:

It’s just that the gun violence is keeping it well below it’s potential. Like I said, there are many people who choose not to live in OTR solely because of the gun violence, and that reduces demand for the neighborhood and lessens population growth. 

I understand your point. But understand the facts. OTR units are HOT, EXPENSIVE and FULL so much so that we are not building them fast enough. There maybe even more people who would consider OTR to live if crime was even lower but right now demand is not a problem at all.

5 minutes ago, 646empire said:

You do realize Main Street is a well known entertainment/bar district. The last thing you want is to “push crowds out” 

 

Wow this speaks volumes. “Former residents want their neighborhood back”??????

Reclaim their “Territory”??????? 
 

I rest my case.

Taestell said something similar to what I said above but I noticed you quoted just me…I rest my case as well. 

Just now, 646empire said:

I understand your point. But understand the facts. OTR units are HOT, EXPENSIVE and FULL so much so that we are not building them fast enough. There maybe even more people who would consider OTR to live if crime was even lower but right now demand is not a problem at all.

will be interesting to see how many people renew their lease that live on Main. I know someone who pays over 2k per month for a Main Street apartment. He’s a remote worker from Minnesota and said he’s moving out when his lease expires due to the increased gun violence and other issues occurring on Main. 

3 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

Taestell said something similar

“similar” please show me that! Lol.

1 minute ago, Troeros2 said:

I’m not going to argue. It’s pointless. Enjoy less people going down to Otr - people don’t feel safe anymore. That’s a fact. 

While I agree with you the violence is an issue that can hold back the area, I do think that much of the progress that has taken place will allow the neighborhood the ability to continue growing. 

 

I remember back in the late 90s and early 2000's when Main Street was spurring an OTR revitalization. This was only 2-3 blocks but it showed the potential of the area at the time. The problem was that there was still not a strong concentration of people living there that when the crime came and riots happened in 2001, it chased a lot of business away. That area was so reliant on people coming to the area from the burbs that it could not sustain itself when a shock hit.  Today, there is a large concentration of residents in the area to act as an anchor for a shock like this and sustain things. 

 

Now if council and the Mayor do not address this, it will certainly cause people to move away if they do not feel safe but it will take a number of events over a period of time instead of one event such as this reverse the ascent of the area. However, if council passes policies that kneecap law enforcements ability to do their jobs, then certainly the neighborhood will decline again. 

2 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

will be interesting to see how many people renew their lease that live on Main. I know someone who pays over 2k per month for a Main Street apartment. He’s a remote worker from Minnesota and said he’s moving out when his lease expires due to the increased gun violence and other issues occurring on Main. 

Rightttttt and I can tell you his unit will not be on the market long after he leaves lol even I would be interested.

As someone who doesn’t live in OTR but frequents it a multiple times a month it does suck this happened but hopefully this opens up the eyes of the mayor, city council, police, etc to where they can make sure something like this doesn’t happen again.

 

Does it make me want to stay away from OTR? Not at all, I’ve never had an issue at any point in time when I’m down there. Could I someday? Sure, but that’s already something I know could happen. The people who are saying that they are never going down there again either hardly ever go down there or they will forget by next month and be back down.  
 

 

 

I've lived in OTR since late 2019 and want to give my perspective as to what I've been witnessing. 

 

1. OTR is far from becoming an unpopular residential destination. On my block alone, 40+ units of apartments in previously abandoned buildings have been renovated and opened since I moved in. From what I can tell, there is almost no vacancy. Also, my rent has gone up about 15% since I moved in. If there was no demand for units down here, my rental company would not have raised the rates.

2. OTR has seen a LOT happen in the last 3 years. If OTR can survive COVID turning the neighborhood into a ghost town for 6 months and a riot that damaged dozens of businesses, it is going to survive one unfortunate incident like what happened on Saturday night. 

 

Now, what has been happening on Main Street this summer has been chaotic to say the least. Something does need to be done to control the crowds and trash. But, suggesting that we drop the hammer and basically clear the streets with whole squads of police officers is hyperbolic and does not help.

 

There has been far too much investment for all of OTR to go back to where it was in the late 2000s. There are too many new residents, too many new business, and some new major changes (Music Hall renovation, Findlay Market revitalization, TQL Stadium opening) for 3CDC and the city to throw in the towel. There are multiple events a month that will always draw in people from the neighborhood as well as those from the suburbs and tourists.

 

There may be some areas that lose some residents, particularly that stretch of Main Street. Personally, I would never consider buying a condo on that street. But to suggest that OTR is going to go back to the Wild West days of "the most dangerous neighborhood in America" is ridiculous.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

I mean…I don’t know who exactly would be excited to hang out next weekend in Otr after the constant news of shootings on Main…it’s one thing if this was a one off event. But these shootings have become a trending theme lately on Main. It makes sense why some would be apprehensive. 

 

I have friends in town this weekend and we will definitely be going to Main Street bars. I feel very comfortable doing that. And I bet there will be thousands of other people there who feel the same way.

3 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I have friends in town this weekend and we will definitely be going to Main Street bars. I feel very comfortable doing that. And I bet there will be thousands of other people there who feel the same way.

I’m sure this occurring will deter anyone who doesn’t mind causing havoc to steer away from Main Street for the next few weeks or for the rest of the summer even. 

1 hour ago, 646empire said:

I understand your point. But understand the facts. OTR units are HOT, EXPENSIVE and FULL so much so that we are not building them fast enough. There maybe even more people who would consider OTR to live if crime was even lower but right now demand is not a problem at all.

Occupancy isn’t a problem right now but growth is. Despite all the great things happening in the neighborhood, population growth is low and in my opinion, there’s less development going on than there should be.

There’s multiple reasons for this but crime/ gun violence definitely factors into the equation. It reduces the pool of potential residents which lessens the demand on developers to create new housing. 

While new construction projects like Liberty and Elm have been delayed for what seems like forever, there is still a LOT of development going on. Back around 2010 when I first got onto Urban Ohio I remember following every single house flip or small apartment refurb like it was big news (because it was) The reality is that many of the smaller grained projects happening around OTR happen without anyone ever noticing because the street facing facade doesn't change much (isn't allowed to change much due to historic) so unless you happen to catch workers out front or notice new windows installed you may never notice it. Just on a walk around my neck of the woods at lunch we have 3 historic breweries getting rehabbed plus Sam Adams getting a huge addition, 20+ properties along Vine and around Findlay playground, a huge new county owned parking garage and units being filled above/around Finlday market that have sat vacant and inaccessible for decades. So while the thing that takes our attention the most is the street violence, the stalled projects and the sad demolitions like Davis Furniture, the momentum of construction can still be felt by walking up Vine or McMicken on any day during the week when construction crews are out.

 

You can't see them in every picture, but there were many construction workers at each of these photo locations and in many more buildings that I didn't stop to photograph. 

 

 

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by ucgrady

58 minutes ago, Guy23 said:

Occupancy isn’t a problem right now but growth is. Despite all the great things happening in the neighborhood, population growth is low and in my opinion, there’s less development going on than there should be.

There’s multiple reasons for this but crime/ gun violence definitely factors into the equation. It reduces the pool of potential residents which lessens the demand on developers to create new housing. 

 

Does it factor in? Demand is not a problem. We have more than we can currently accommodate. The problem is on the supply side, where the regulatory framework can delay or prevent projects from happening.

3 hours ago, 646empire said:

Am I missing something???? I’ve been to Main Street multiple times recently. What “BLOCK PARTIES”??? Lol. A block party is usually an event that has a permit from a city and usually happens with a street closure or 2. That’s NOT what I’ve seen. I think some of you are actually under cover complaining about the sheer amount of non bar patron people who are just hanging out and clogging up side walks (PUBLIC SIDEWALKs) and slowing traffic at times by spilling into the street. Sorry I have to say this but it’s also a racial component to this as well as these groups are mostly black. As I said more security/police for keeping people on the sidewalks and out of the streets along with more patrol units can help.

 

Race is not culture.   I worked security at a bar that was mostly black much of the time, and the "IDGAF" crowd that will cluster on the streets increasingly spinning out of control is about as much like our old crowd as the the Hell's Angels are like the post church crowd at Applebee's.     Unfortunately, they are quick to claim "racism" to justify their toxicity.

 

3 hours ago, taestell said:

Anecdotally I have heard that a lot of these crowds are upset about what they view as gentrification of the neighborhood and there is definitely a "take the neighborhood back" attitude to some of these gatherings. I think it's no coincidence that many of these parties are happening right outside Mr. Pitiful's which is a bar that had a sudden dramatic change from a diverse, long-time neighborhood hangout to a college party bar.

 

 

I get drawn to bar security stuff like Ken is drawn to trains so I was following this on Twitter.   Seelbach came out and said the shootings were "at" this bar, another bar owner called him on it.   Is someone targetting them, and maybe the neighborhood in general, trying to make a buck or just run out a business they don't  like.

Great stuff!

 

“Cincinnati’s core is dense and its walkability has been preserved. One of the joys of these midsize cities is that you dwell on beautiful buildings”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-midwest-city-is-getting-something-rightso-dont-miss-it?ref=wrap

Edited August 8, 20222 yr by 646empire

If only these criminals only knew how many cameras are around Otr. It’s harder to commit a crime in otr and get away with it compared to 10-15 years ago. 
 

Does anyone know yet if Cincinnati has those new cameras that have facial sensor software and can pull up your face by matching it with your drivers license photo? 

Crime and street violence are a major factor in the tenants' rental decision in OTR.

2 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

Crime and street violence are a major factor in the tenants' rental decision in OTR.

apperantly if you have this view you are an anti-urbanist. 
 

I understand crime exists and to some extent is a reality of living in an urban environment..especially in America due to our gun laws. 

 

but the way some on here accept the illicit behavior and gun violence in otr is absolutely disgusting. If we want children and families back in OTR and rebuild our urban population then we need to prioritize safety first and foremost and stop normalizing this behavior as part of the “urban experience”. It’s not right and no one should have to be a bystander to it. 
 

It just makes me furious - the hub (bar in main) is shut down until further notice because of some of the employees witnessed the mass shooting and are experiencing ptsd from the gun fire. 
 

people need psychiatric help because we still have people who think they can terrorize the community and solve fights with violence - we need to get this fixed ASAP. Maybe it won’t be fixed in a month or a year but we need to stop having round table discussions and we need to start implementing a plan!