February 14, 20232 yr Much of the advantage of a free-standing house as opposed to a row house is the ability to have windows on all four sides. You get a much better quality of light throughout the day, plus more contextual sound, even if the window is closed. With the popularity of rooftop decks in the area, I'm surprised they didn't do one, or at least a south-facing balcony. I don't like the "front" door placement. I would have built an integrated high garden wall and porch/patio in the back, with a roofed section, and a nice exterior gate. All they have at this point to stop a downhill car from hitting the house is a telephone pole: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1151075,-84.5121959,3a,75y,224.04h,83.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAgNtKw42J2b914OBXDzK-w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
February 15, 20232 yr Structural masonry work is being completed at 1918 Vine St, rebuilding the upper portion of the brick wall, which used to be a party wall with 1920 Vine (which was torn at the beginning of 2022). February 8, 2023: January 13, 2022:
February 17, 20232 yr On 2/14/2023 at 3:12 PM, SleepyLeroy said: I couldn't find the original post with the hilariously bad project render, but i take back my laughing at it. This place is amazing. and on a lot that would have otherwise been left empty. At Main & Peete. Most people would never second guess that it wasn't a rehab of an original building. OG Render
February 22, 20232 yr Platform will not be reopening their OTR space. Not surprised that as it’s been closed for awhile with a sign on the door stating that they were trying to figure out what’s the best use for the space. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2023/02/sources-say-platform-beer-co-has-closed-operations.html?outputType=amp
February 23, 20232 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/23/apartments-connecting-over-the-rhine-court-street.html Apartments at 16 W Central could still happen but will be different than the original 12 floor building. Hopefully what does go there has some height.
February 24, 20232 yr Quote The number of apartment units under the new plan would grow to about 80 to 100 from 72, with a possible parking garage. Schiff said he’s making it a priority to try and work with nearby property owners and find other solutions for nearby parking if a parking garage is not included. Less height, but they're going to remove the parking garage and add more apartment units? That's a scope reduction I can get behind! I'd be curious to see if this is a possibility because of the paused parking minimums downtown. That'd be awesome.
March 6, 20232 yr Demo is well underway by FCC, and construction is well underway across the street at the Liberty & Elm project with pilings being poured and graven being placed on site. This intersection is going to be very different in a few years and hopefully it leads to Sam Adams being able to purchase the final piece of their corner. Bonus pic of the newly renovated/repainted Clyffside smokestack
March 7, 20232 yr Do we know whats being built on the site of the old Boys and Girls Club? Also, are there updated renderings from Liberty and Elm?
March 7, 20232 yr 44 minutes ago, küshner said: Do we know whats being built on the site of the old Boys and Girls Club? Also, are there updated renderings from Liberty and Elm? It's part of the Liberty and Elm development. That's going to be the tallest part of the project, and housing a lot of the units. At least that was the plan. I haven't heard a lot lately.
March 7, 20232 yr Here's their rendering from two years ago. Not sure what, if anything, has changed.
March 20, 20232 yr https://www.cincinnati.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2023%2F03%2F19%2Fover-the-rhine-development-3cdc-development-north-liberty-street%2F69904082007%2F Cannot read the article but at first was thinking it was the Findlay Parkside development but that project I do not believe is a 60 million dollar investment. Which development are they talking about?
March 20, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://www.cincinnati.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2023%2F03%2F19%2Fover-the-rhine-development-3cdc-development-north-liberty-street%2F69904082007%2F Cannot read the article but at first was thinking it was the Findlay Parkside development but that project I do not believe is a 60 million dollar investment. Which development are they talking about? Use the site archive.ph and you can read archived versions of the article. But here's a snippet "For years, anyone who has enjoyed Over-the-Rhine's nationally-lauded renaissance has found that the restaurants and stores seem to abruptly end at Liberty Street. Now, a $60 million project in the neighborhood’s northernmost pocket near Findlay Market promises to make the section north of Liberty Street safer and more economically prosperous like its more gentrified southern half. “The area right now has so many empty, vacant buildings and neighbors don’t like living next to vacant buildings,” said John Wulsin, vice president of the Over-the-Rhine Community Council. "People want to have neighbors who are people.” Restoring the existing building stock and making room for new construction is something locals want. They're happy the popular indoor-outdoor Somerset Bar on E. McMicken Avenue has brought more attention, diversity and foot traffic to this area."
March 20, 20232 yr Liberty was a good stopping point when the revitalization efforts began in OTR. There was already some activity on Main but expanding to the rest of lower OTR made sense. Urban Sites was starting to do a bunch up by Findlay Market before Covid and also with Rhinegeist there that area was taking off. It seems like Covid set it back a couple years but now is starting to pick up steam again. The fight over the Liberty Row development was unfortunate as it delayed a strong connector piece but it seems like that project is finally moving forward for the better now.
March 20, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Liberty was a good stopping point when the revitalization efforts began in OTR I'm still baffled that 3CDC didn't push to narrow Liberty significantly in order to create larger buildable sites. I can't believe that people rolled over and let Lindner and Berding force through the 5-lane option in order to maintain lousy access to their stadium from I-71.
March 20, 20232 yr The "road diet" turned out to be more of a makeover for sure, but the good news is that now that something was done, they at least don't have the uncertainty hanging around and they know exactly how big their parcels are going forward. Both parcels 3CDC owns between Elm and Race along Liberty are larger than their Wilkomen project's parcel was across Liberty and they are both plenty large enough to develop. The only lot that I think was really ruined by the lack of a true road diet is the one at Liberty/Vine in front of the Ad Pacem mural and maybe the little triangle between Liberty and Plough alley, but those would've remained pretty small even with a substantial road diet.
March 29, 20232 yr Does anyone know what’s going on with the hotel proposed across from FCC? The demo of the existing civil war era building 1416 central pkwy has been stalled for a while and now it’s covered in a tarp. The permit status says “court ordered halt of demolition” but I’m not sure why that was done?
March 29, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ucgrady said: Does anyone know what’s going on with the hotel proposed across from FCC? The demo of the existing civil war era building 1416 central pkwy has been stalled for a while and now it’s covered in a tarp. The permit status says “court ordered halt of demolition” but I’m not sure why that was done? My understanding is that they started demolition of the structure but one of the entities trying to stop this development was not informed of the demolition so a stop was put on it if I remember correctly, so I am guessing now there a whole new set of issues.
March 30, 20232 yr The handful of individuals, with no standing, gatekeeping development in OTR is getting old.
March 30, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, wjh2 said: The handful of individuals, with no standing, gatekeeping development in OTR is getting old. This is what we deal with in LA, insane NIMBYs that try to block literally every development. They literally appeal everything. It's a nightmare and why we can't build all the housing we need.
March 30, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, küshner said: This is what we deal with in LA, insane NIMBYs that try to block literally every development. They literally appeal everything. It's a nightmare and why we can't build all the housing we need. I guess it’s nice to know we are not the only ones dealing with it. Just sucks to see so many other cities near us (Columbus, Indianapolis, Nashville, etc.) be able to get things proposed and built in a much quicker manner than Cincinnati can. By the time the project finally gets through it’s a shell of what was originally proposed.
March 30, 20232 yr There should be some kind of rule around needing a critical mass to appeal when you have no actual standing. 1 random person holding up development when 99.9% of people either do not care or support it is a dumb process.
March 30, 20232 yr https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/about-city-planning/city-planning-commission/apr-7-2023-packet/ Final amendments to the Over-the-Rhine (OTR) Local Historic District guidelines. Not sure what the old ones were so I cannot tell if this is better or worse.
March 30, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, wjh2 said: The handful of individuals, with no standing, gatekeeping development in OTR is getting old. Its just two individuals (Danny Klingler, Margy Waller) and they live across the street from one another, almost certain that they have paper cup phones strung across the road from one another to plot their next evil plan for dismantling the city revitalization.
March 30, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Its just two individuals (Danny Klingler, Margy Waller) and they live across the street from one another, almost certain that they have paper cup phones strung across the road from one another to plot their next evil plan for dismantling the city revitalization. I came across this photo of them together.
March 31, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, savadams13 said: almost certain that they have paper cup phones strung across the road from one another to plot their next evil plan
April 9, 20232 yr Not exactly sure what development this is but I am assuming it’s the 16 W. Central parkway development. https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/225281181af54c5185e247794eab81b4.html Edited April 9, 20232 yr by Ucgrad2015
April 9, 20232 yr Boutique hotel along Central Parkway (Started to tear down the building but was halted). Was updated 3/22/23 and states start in June but not sure how accurate this is. https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/8bc7e8d3dd3f45649931d2d57fa9cbd1.html
April 9, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Boutique hotel along Central Parkway (Started to tear down the building but was halted). Was updated 3/22/23 and states start in June but not sure how accurate this is. https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/8bc7e8d3dd3f45649931d2d57fa9cbd1.html Demo restarts next week.
April 10, 20232 yr Author Guidelines for new construction in OTR clears planning commission; Cincinnati City Council vote remains By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Apr 10, 2023 The Cincinnati Planning Commission approved new rules Friday to govern how developers build brand-new structures in Over-the-Rhine and Pendleton, an attempt to settle longstanding, contentious design issues, including how high new buildings can be. The new guidelines, which will require City Council approval to go into effect, leave in place existing height restrictions. The commission also changed regulations related to balconies, rooftop decks, garage entrances and building setbacks for new buildings. The height restrictions allow for a new building to be one story higher, the same height or one story less than the adjacent buildings. MORE
April 10, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: Guidelines for new construction in OTR clears planning commission; Cincinnati City Council vote remains By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Apr 10, 2023 The Cincinnati Planning Commission approved new rules Friday to govern how developers build brand-new structures in Over-the-Rhine and Pendleton, an attempt to settle longstanding, contentious design issues, including how high new buildings can be. The new guidelines, which will require City Council approval to go into effect, leave in place existing height restrictions. The commission also changed regulations related to balconies, rooftop decks, garage entrances and building setbacks for new buildings. The height restrictions allow for a new building to be one story higher, the same height or one story less than the adjacent buildings. MORE Overall is this better for new development in OTR or is it going to make it even more of a pain?
April 10, 20232 yr It's been a few years since I've looked through the changes. Overall I think the changes are positive, and won't create a huge additional impediment to development. The one issue I had, which the Historic Conversation Board changed, was the height restrictions, which ensured every new building would be shorter than the historic buildings around it. Allowing some flexibility should increase allowable density and free up design teams a little.
April 10, 20232 yr No front-facing balconies? A significant percentage of new construction buildings in OTR from the last 10-15 years have them. I'm surprised none of the large developers opposed that.
April 10, 20232 yr Quote In December, John Walter, a developer, argued against the changes. “You need front-facing garages. These guidelines, they say if you have a garage in the back, it has to be on the lot line. These alleys are 10 feet wide in some areas … there’s no turn radius. Are you going to say that if you live in Over-the-Rhine, you’ve got to drive a little, bitty car. That’s ridiculous,” he said. Uhhhh there's a lot of narrow streets in OTR. If you want a full-size SUV or truck, you probably shouldn't be living on those streets regardless of the setbacks
April 10, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Dev said: You need front-facing garages. Yeah this is ridiculous even from an owners perspective. How annoying would it be if you have to wait a while to even be able to pull out of your front-facing garage onto one of our busier downtown streets? It'd be much easier to leave your house into an alleyway that filters to a minor street (say Pleasant) that filters via light or right-turn only to a major street (say Liberty). There's also a safety aspect to not having front-facing garages. Pedestrians would now have another thing to avoid if there were cars popping out of garages along a street, the wheelchair-bound would have to deal with a sloped sidewalk, AND drivers downtown now also need to pay attention to random spots along a street where a car could pop out in front of you out of nowhere.
April 10, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, 10albersa said: Yeah this is ridiculous even from an owners perspective. How annoying would it be if you have to wait a while to even be able to pull out of your front-facing garage onto one of our busier downtown streets? It'd be much easier to leave your house into an alleyway that filters to a minor street (say Pleasant) that filters via light or right-turn only to a major street (say Liberty). There's also a safety aspect to not having front-facing garages. Pedestrians would now have another thing to avoid if there were cars popping out of garages along a street, the wheelchair-bound would have to deal with a sloped sidewalk, AND drivers downtown now also need to pay attention to random spots along a street where a car could pop out in front of you out of nowhere. All of this, plus a front facing garage privatizes a public parking space, because no one but you can park their car in front of your garage.
April 11, 20232 yr This article mentions that Landsman is asking for (no guarantee yet that it'll be included) $5 million in the federal budget for the reconfiguration of Central Parkway: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/04/05/landsman-federal-funding-suggestions.html Quote Central Parkway improvements: Landsman asked for $5 million of the project’s $20 million cost. It calls for reducing the width of Central Parkway from 106 feet to 70 feet and adding new turn lanes, sidewalks, bicycle tracks and a greenspace median. I haven't seen or heard any updates on the design in a long time, and I'm not sure if this little blurb mentioning a "greenspace median" means they've already selected the final configuration or not.
April 11, 20232 yr This article mentions that Landsman is asking* for $4 million in the federal budget for the new Findlay Community Center: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/04/05/landsman-federal-funding-suggestions.html *may or may not end up in the final federal budget Quote Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. (3CDC) Findlay Community Center improvements: Landsman asked for $4 million of the project’s $60.9 million cost. 3CDC plans to renovate the existing Findlay Playground, Grant Park and Over-the-Rhine Recreation Center into a community campus that would include a 51,000-square-foot state of the art community center, athletic fields, courts, fitness classrooms and aquatic facilities.
April 11, 20232 yr ^Landsman has already done more than Chabot! Not sure if this goes 3CDC or not but the latest HCB packet has the buildings north of Liberty on Vine Street listed. Seems significant and with the Findlay Community Center maybe that area can finally start getting a lot more love. It seems like it will be connecting from Findlay Market - Elder Street - Vine Street then working it's way down. https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/april-10-2023-case-materials-and-staff-report/ It lists the following = 40 New Units: 1625 VINE ST = 14 Units https://www.google.com/maps/place/1625+Vine+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202/@39.1138083,-84.5167871,3a,75y,54.27h,111.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scC5uLLz9Q6bgqgqiiKXILg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DcC5uLLz9Q6bgqgqiiKXILg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D297.51352%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x8841b3fc06fcf47b:0x9e66f43c2337fa3!8m2!3d39.1138807!4d-84.5166309!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11b8v6vffz 1633 VINE ST = 6 Units https://www.google.com/maps/place/1633+Vine+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202/@39.1141553,-84.5162768,3a,75y,269.86h,107.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swtIHjGHz8rhdzmijZie1jA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwtIHjGHz8rhdzmijZie1jA%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod.gps%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D262.77158%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x8841b3fbf8f4d447:0xb3b8c45fbfb5d9f4!8m2!3d39.1141292!4d-84.5165637!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11c4kv50s6 1806 REPUBLIC ST = 4 Units https://www.google.com/maps/place/1806+Republic+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202/@39.1158924,-84.5172802,3a,90y,117.81h,111.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxIM2owD-HIUWeZT48qTVIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x8841b3f9630040b7:0x1dd336406dbf8172!8m2!3d39.1158846!4d-84.5171329!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11csg14vk7 1801 - 1805 VINE ST = 16 Units https://www.google.com/maps/place/1801+Vine+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202/@39.115739,-84.5166764,3a,75y,280.71h,96.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smWXEkSI2gNmf3LO4FYQ2Aw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x8841b3fbdbd457cb:0x6f1946bf581a72ae!8m2!3d39.115665!4d-84.5166317!10e5
April 12, 20232 yr Rehabilitation of 27-29 W 12th street. They are wanting to tear down the one story structure in the back of 29 W 12th and build a 3 story addition in its place.
April 12, 20232 yr ^Not a 3CDC project. That project at 27-29 W 12th Street is a joint collaboration between Tender Mercies and OTR Community Housing. It'll involve renovating the existing structure and upgrading from SROs to efficiency apartments. Overall bedcount will be reduced slightly, so each resident will have more space.
April 12, 20232 yr On 4/11/2023 at 10:56 AM, jwulsin said: I haven't seen or heard any updates on the design in a long time, and I'm not sure if this little blurb mentioning a "greenspace median" means they've already selected the final configuration or not. FWIW, there was a bid from DOTE for a Central Parkway Streetscape Feasibility Study. The due date was July 12, 2022 but it's still listed as "Under Review." Public engagement was part of the contract so it is very weird that we haven't heard anything by now. Hopefully we will hear something when the budget gets released in May?
April 12, 20232 yr On 4/11/2023 at 11:08 AM, Lazarus said: FC Cincinnati just keeps getting free stuff from the government. Are you against a redesign of Central Parkway that would make it safer and more beautiful just because the FCC stadium is on Central Parkway?
April 14, 20232 yr On 4/12/2023 at 11:23 AM, Dev said: FWIW, there was a bid from DOTE for a Central Parkway Streetscape Feasibility Study. The due date was July 12, 2022 but it's still listed as "Under Review." Public engagement was part of the contract so it is very weird that we haven't heard anything by now. Hopefully we will hear something when the budget gets released in May? Wait... did you not get the survey that came out 8 hours before it was set to close?
April 14, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Chas Wiederhold said: Wait... did you not get the survey that came out 8 hours before it was set to close? If it's the one that I am thinking of, that one was not done by anyone working on behalf of the city and it was before this contract went out to bid.
April 14, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Dev said: If it's the one that I am thinking of, that one was not done by anyone working on behalf of the city and it was before this contract went out to bid. At the time, I was assuming that FCC or whomever wanted to use it as a proof of concept to force the city's hand to do something. I assumed it worked, because city council passed a motion shortly thereafter but who knows, maybe it was all manufactured consent.
April 17, 20232 yr On 4/12/2023 at 11:23 AM, Dev said: FWIW, there was a bid from DOTE for a Central Parkway Streetscape Feasibility Study. The due date was July 12, 2022 but it's still listed as "Under Review." Public engagement was part of the contract so it is very weird that we haven't heard anything by now. Hopefully we will hear something when the budget gets released in May? I just looked at this again and the status has been updated to "Awarded" with Strand Associates listed as the contractor although the bid and contract details has not yet been uploaded. Some details I found notable: The project scope is from Liberty to 12th The original completion date for the study was February 23, 2023., which has obviously slipped There are supposed to be 4 public engagement sessions, and in an addendum, the city made it clear that it would not be reducing the number of engagement meetings These meetings must follow ODOT & NEPA standards They also state that the city has never prepared or published any previous "visions" for the Parkway, indicating that the previous concepts floated two years ago had nothing to do with the city No set budget was specified in the packet EDIT: DOTE already has a project page setup for it: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/central-parkway-complete-street-improvement-project/ Tenative schedule: Preliminary design, cost estimates and public engagement - Spring 2023 Duration: Nine months Final Design and Engineering - Spring 2024 Duration: Nine months Construction - Contingent upon funding Duration: Nine months Edited April 17, 20232 yr by Dev
April 17, 20232 yr Bollard installation and concrete work is progressing at the "Ziegler Park "extension" on Woodward:
April 17, 20232 yr Was worried those metal posts would be a large entry sign spanning over the ROW, but I looked at renderings, and it appears to be some smaller signage that is mostly vertical. You can see signage saying "Main Street" on one of these in line with the trees on the right. Unfortunately there were no renderings I saw at a quick glance on the city's website that showed the signage clearly.
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