43 minutes ago, IAGuy39 said:

 

What's the next area?

 

Guessing the Vine Street Corridor (west of Vine Street to Pleasant Street?) Feels like there is a lot starting to pop up on that Vine Street corridor now??

For 3CDC and Model group it's Findlay Playground and Vine Street between McMicken and Liberty for sure, but in terms of the next large scale new buildings it's not OTR, it's probably across Central from these developments next to FCC. 

1 hour ago, IAGuy39 said:

 

What's the next area?

 

Guessing the Vine Street Corridor (west of Vine Street to Pleasant Street?) Feels like there is a lot starting to pop up on that Vine Street corridor now??

I would say the Vine street corner is already starting as there’s multiple buildings being rehabbed as well as the planned rec center. 
 

The areas I have circled I believe we will start seeing some more development come online. One being the West End just northwest of the FC development. The other being around Rhinegiest (there’s supposed to be a new 4 floor apartment building in the parking lot just north of the Dunlop street cafe) (reserved for low income housing). I would also include the area around the Jackson brewery.
 

The last one being around Somerset and some movement has begun in a few buildings around somerset as well as around grant park. 

After not much progress over the last few years, it looks like 1725 Vine St (old Kauffman Brewery) is finally making progress again. A large steel structure is going up on the back side. I think the first floor of the addition will be parking, with 3 floors of apartments above it.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/12/14/crossroad-health-center-otr-grant-mackenzie-scott.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
 

Crossroads Health Center which is on the southeast corner of Liberty and Vine  received a 2.2 million dollar gift. Says that this could possibly help them make a move to the OTR rec center.

On 12/13/2023 at 11:47 AM, jwulsin said:

After not much progress over the last few years, it looks like 1725 Vine St (old Kauffman Brewery) is finally making progress again. A large steel structure is going up on the back side. I think the first floor of the addition will be parking, with 3 floors of apartments above it.

 

 

 

What about those row buildings to the right?  I remember those things being for sale around 2013 for like $20k apiece.

 

 

7 hours ago, Lazarus said:

What about those row buildings to the right?  I remember those things being for sale around 2013 for like $20k apiece.

They sold in 2021 to a new owner and looks like they applied for permits in September of this year. 

Crazy to think that 10 years from now, we could have new developments on the south side of Liberty between Elm and Race (former KFC/cell phone store), Liberty & Vine (Crossroad Health Center), and Liberty & Walnut (Grammer's).  I'm not sure if the city ever came up with a plan for what to do with the 8-10' of ROW that was reclaimed during the Liberty Street road diet, but hopefully it can be sold or given to the adjacent property owners and incorporated into whatever projects end up getting built there.

2 hours ago, taestell said:

I'm not sure if the city ever came up with a plan for what to do with the 8-10' of ROW that was reclaimed during the Liberty Street road diet, but hopefully it can be sold or given to the adjacent property owners and incorporated into whatever projects end up getting built there.

The City basically missed that opportunity based on the decisions that were made with the Liberty redesign. The sidewalk on the southern side of Liberty is now ~20' wide with trees in the middle of the sidewalk. It's odd and definitely not optimal. If one of those oddly shaped sites wants to rebuild the sidewalk, moving the tree wells out to be directly adjacent to the curb, that might open up a bit of additional space. 

On 12/12/2023 at 3:52 PM, ucgrady said:

For 3CDC and Model group it's Findlay Playground and Vine Street between McMicken and Liberty for sure, but in terms of the next large scale new buildings it's not OTR, it's probably across Central from these developments next to FCC. 

 

I wonder why 3CDC hasn't updated their website to show any of the projects they are doing on Vine Street? Is this because they are working with Model Group or someone else on it, or maybe they aren't far along yet on it?

 

https://www.3cdc.org/projects/

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1156519,-84.516614,3a,75y,168.56h,93.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3CG8iSquN-FFWZIX6ViAsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Margy Waller's house is for sale:

https://www.sibcycline.com/listing/2578241/219-Magnolia-St-Over-the-Rhine-OH-45202?modal=true

 

Purchased in 2013 for $84,500. 

7 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Margy Waller's house is for sale:

https://www.sibcycline.com/listing/2578241/219-Magnolia-St-Over-the-Rhine-OH-45202?modal=true

 

Purchased in 2013 for $84,500. 

I bet she’s loving that asking price. 

I wonder why the house is not listed for a price that a family at 60% of the AMI can afford...

2 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

I bet she’s loving that asking price. 

 

The stage is set for her to get into tax trouble:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/capitalgainhomesale.asp

 

 

 

Not a bad day for OTR projects getting funded today.17 out of the 48 the state funded seems good.

 

 

https://development.ohio.gov/home/news-and-events/all-news/2023-1221-governor-dewine-announces-state-support-of-46-historic-rehabilitation-projects?fbclid=IwAR196prLqhWEncdghZgXfqDWV7GVVThPrgTbf6Qw5IganFYpsm1La4I6hpI

Wow, lots of projects funded for OTR!

Just browsed through the PDF and tried to pull out all the OTR projects. Apologies if I missed any.

 

Quote

 

124 East 13th Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $2,579,865
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 124 E. 13th St. Cincinnati, OH 45202
This small building in Over the Rhine features classic Italianate details including decorative cornice and hood molds
on the windows. The upper floor apartments will be rehabilitated, adding eight units back into Cincinnati's inventory.
New historically compatible windows will be installed, and the building systems and finishes will be upgraded.

 

129 Elder Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost:
Total Tax Credit: $229,500
Address: 129 Elder St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
One of two projects facing Findlay Market, this project will rehabilitate the upper floors of the building that have been
abandoned for decades. Built in circa 1864, the Italianate building has always had commercial space on the first floor
with housing above. After the project is complete, there will be four apartments that will retain the historic fabric of
the building including the historic staircase. However, most building finishes and systems have been lost over time
and will be replaced with period replacements.

 

1300 Main Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $2,023,416
Total Tax Credit: $200,000
Address: 1300 Main St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
This building in Over the Rhine will be rehabilitated to bring six two-bedroom apartments back online and allow
the first floor to continue to serve commercial tenants. Noncompatible replacement windows will be replaced
with more historically appropriate selections. All new systems, kitchens, and baths in the residential units will
make them comfortable for tenants for years to come.

 

131 W. Elder Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,182,776
Total Tax Credit: $231,500
Address: 131 W. Elder St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
The second of the pair of projects facing Findlay Market, this building's upper floors have also been vacant and
derelict for years. Home to a variety of neighborhood residents over the years, the building will once again provide
homes to six new households. Most of the interior historic fabric was lost over time, but the exterior will be
rehabilitated and complemented by new interior systems and finishes for the new residents.

 

1312-1316 Main Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $3,715,252
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 1312, 1314, 1315 Main St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
A four-story building in Over the Rhine, this building's residential spaces are vacant and in need of repair. When the
project is completed, there will be 10 apartments on the second, third, and fourth floors. Each will have new systems
and finishes. Previously replaced, but incompatible, new historically-appropriate windows will be installed.

 

1519 Vine Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,965,655
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 1519 Vine St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
This three-story building has served for many years as a communal living space for a social service organization that
provides supportive housing. A new facility is being constructed for those residents. This building will be converted
back to its historic configuration of first-floor commercial space and four apartments on the upper two floors. Even
though it was reconfigured during the 1990s renovation, some historic elements remain on the interior, such as
mantels, trim, and wood flooring. Those features will be repaired and retained along with the historic aspects of the
building exterior.

 

1522 Republic Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,647,341
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 1522 Republic St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Adding to a group of buildings funded in a previous round, this small building will bring four additional housing units
to the market in Over the Rhine. A rehab project in the 1990s was not sensitive to the historic character of the building.
Still, this project will repair and retain the historic fabric that is left, and the layout will be returned to its historic
configuration.

 

1524-26 Republic Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $2,218,327
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 1524-26 Republic St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
This building appears to be one but is actually two distinct buildings, each with their own circulation. In a rehab
project 30 years ago they were joined but will be returned to their historic configuration in this project. The project
has been serving as dormitory style living space, but as those residents will move to a new facility this project will
become 16 apartments on five floors.

 

1530 Republic Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,612,139
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 1530 Republic St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Part of a larger project to rehabilitate a number of other nearby buildings, this project on Republic Street in Over the
Rhine has served continuously as apartments since its construction c. 1880. The front of the building has a pair of
distinctive dormers with decorative trim set into the mansard roof. Following a rehab in 2004, the interior
configuration was altered to provide for congregate living, but the current project will restore the four apartment
layouts and provide new kitchens, baths, and finishes throughout.

 

1628 Walnut Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,218,349
Total Tax Credit: $121,000
Address: 1628 Walnut St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Constructed around 1870, this four-story residential building in Over the Rhine has long been vacant. The
rehabilitation plan will bring five one-bedroom apartments to the building as well as a new addition to provide more
space for kitchens and bathrooms. Historic windows, stairways, flooring, and trim will be repaired and retained.

 

1826 Logan (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $749,988
Total Tax Credit: $81,250
Address: 1826 Logan St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
This building was constructed around 1865, this three-story brick building has simple ornamentation. Renovations
over the years have meant that much of the interior historic fabric has been lost, but original wood floors and some
fireplace mantels remain. After rehabilitation, the building will again have three, two-bedroom apartments.

 

208 East 13th Street (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,645,750
Total Tax Credit: $250,000
Address: 208 E. 13th St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Dating to around 1870, this building exemplifies the Italianate style common in Over the Rhine with its cornice and
window hoods. The project will bring the building back into service with its historic use as apartments.

 

219 Findlay (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,227,072
Total Tax Credit: $207,781
Address: 219 Findlay St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Vacant for over 20 years, this Over the Rhine building will be renovated to bring back the six apartments - a mix of
studio, one and two bedrooms. On the exterior, noncompatible windows will be replaced with models that are
historically sensitive, and masonry and cornice repaired. Inside, much of the original fabric has been lost over time,
but much of the original staircase, trim, and wood floors remain and will be repaired.

 

Engine Co. 22 Firehouse (Cincinnati)
Total Project Cost: $1,435,202
Total Tax Credit: $143,000
Address: 222 W. 15th St., Cincinnati, OH 45202
Constructed in the era of horse-drawn fire fighting apparatus, this 1886 firehouse remains in Over the Rhine with
many of its historic features. In the interior, the original wood ceiling and firefighter's lockers are in place, and
the exterior details in stone and brick will be repaired and retained. Used as a firehouse until 1917, the building
was later used for various light manufacturing uses and for artists' lofts and was eventually vacated nearly seven
years ago. The rehabilitation project will create four residential units with indoor parking.

 

 

Neyer Holdings, 8K Construction win historic tax credits for new Findlay Market apartments

By Brian Planalp – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Dec 28, 2023

 

Multiple redevelopment projects around Findlay Market will bring new residents to Over-the-Rhine’s burgeoning northern reaches.

 

Neyer Holdings and 8K Construction won Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credits Dec. 21 to redevelop four buildings yielding 20 new apartments.

 

Neyer is expected to start construction in January to rehab a pair of buildings, separated by one vacant corner lot, at 219 Findlay St. and 1826 Logan St. The combined $2 million effort won $290,000 in tax credits.

 

MORE

On 12/22/2023 at 11:20 AM, taestell said:

Just browsed through the PDF and tried to pull out all the OTR projects. Apologies if I missed any.

 

 

That looks like 80 new apartment units with 208 E 13th Street not listing the number of apartments there. Great to see all the new housing and activations!

 

I also read in the biz journal Model Group applied for but didn't receive credits for the following buildings but will still move forward with construction in downtown:

 

$41 million redevelopment of three buildings near Fountain Square – 26 W. Seventh St., 221-223 W. Fourth St. and 211-219 W. Fourth St.

the firm still plans to move forward with that project, which is expected to bring 97 rehabbed residential units and 12,835 square feet of commercial space to downtown Cincinnati.

The south stairwell of Liberty & Elm is topped out giving a good idea of the final height. This corridor of Central has changed so much and this project is really filling in nicely. 

 

The parking garage appears open now and the first floor retail spaces are closed in; I'm not a retail expert but the space on the corner is huge and I'm really curious what kinds of tenants they are expecting or planned for. 

Edited January 4, 20241 yr by ucgrady

Fifth Third financial analyst plans OTR co-living units where renters can build equity

 

A first-time developer is renovating a series of buildings scattered throughout Over-the-Rhine, bringing a series of co-living units online whose tenants can gain equity stakes in their rental housing.

 

Shree Pragada and his wife are renovating three buildings – at 1510 Race St., 1508 Pleasant St. and 208 E. 13th St. – and building two more on vacant lots at 1610 and 1614 Elm St.

 

Pradaga is head of analytics at Fifth Third Bank, and his wife worked for Citibank for years before refocusing on development activities. The couple moved to Cincinnati from New York City wooed by Over-the-Rhine’s redevelopment.

 

“We’re so enamored and impressed by the progress 3CDC (Cincinnati Center City Development Corp.) and others have accomplished in such a record amount of time,” Pradaga told the Business Courier. “It’s a nationally recognized story. We wanted to take one more baby step in the same direction.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/01/04/new-otr-apartments-allow-renters-to-build-equity.html

 

3 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Fifth Third financial analyst plans OTR co-living units where renters can build equity

 

A first-time developer is renovating a series of buildings scattered throughout Over-the-Rhine, bringing a series of co-living units online whose tenants can gain equity stakes in their rental housing.

 

Shree Pragada and his wife are renovating three buildings – at 1510 Race St., 1508 Pleasant St. and 208 E. 13th St. – and building two more on vacant lots at 1610 and 1614 Elm St.

 

Pradaga is head of analytics at Fifth Third Bank, and his wife worked for Citibank for years before refocusing on development activities. The couple moved to Cincinnati from New York City wooed by Over-the-Rhine’s redevelopment.

 

“We’re so enamored and impressed by the progress 3CDC (Cincinnati Center City Development Corp.) and others have accomplished in such a record amount of time,” Pradaga told the Business Courier. “It’s a nationally recognized story. We wanted to take one more baby step in the same direction.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/01/04/new-otr-apartments-allow-renters-to-build-equity.html

 

Great to see them build two new 3 story buildings at 1610 Elm and 1614 Elm. 

3 hours ago, ucgrady said:

The south stairwell of Liberty & Elm is topped out giving a good idea of the final height. This corridor of Central has changed so much and this project is really filling in nicely. 

 

The parking garage appears open now and the first floor retail spaces are closed in; I'm not a retail expert but the space on the corner is huge and I'm really curious what kinds of tenants they are expecting or planned for. 

Crazy how in the next 5 years this intersection of Liberty and Central Parkway will look completely different.  

Liberty & Elm: Project set to deliver in early 2025 with smaller unit footprint

By Abby Miller – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jan 5, 2024

 

Work is well underway on the long-awaited mixed-use development at Liberty and Elm streets in Over-the-Rhine, with residential units expected to be delivered in the first quarter 2025, one of the developers told the Cincinnati real estate community during ULI Cincinnati’s recent Emerging Trends 2024 program.

 

Buckingham Properties is working alongside Kean Development to develop a $65 million mixed-use development near Findlay Market. That’s down 18.7% from the originally projected $80 million investment for the development.

 

MORE

 

18 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Fifth Third financial analyst plans OTR co-living units where renters can build equity

 

A first-time developer is renovating a series of buildings scattered throughout Over-the-Rhine, bringing a series of co-living units online whose tenants can gain equity stakes in their rental housing.

 

Shree Pragada and his wife are renovating three buildings – at 1510 Race St., 1508 Pleasant St. and 208 E. 13th St. – and building two more on vacant lots at 1610 and 1614 Elm St.

 

Pradaga is head of analytics at Fifth Third Bank, and his wife worked for Citibank for years before refocusing on development activities. The couple moved to Cincinnati from New York City wooed by Over-the-Rhine’s redevelopment.

 

“We’re so enamored and impressed by the progress 3CDC (Cincinnati Center City Development Corp.) and others have accomplished in such a record amount of time,” Pradaga told the Business Courier. “It’s a nationally recognized story. We wanted to take one more baby step in the same direction.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/01/04/new-otr-apartments-allow-renters-to-build-equity.html

So is this project being converted into a co-op owned by the future residents???

"Downsized from $80 million to $65 million" sounds bad, but the original project was only intended to be a $25 million development when it was first announced in 2016. The original project was going to be the vacant lot at the corner of Liberty and Elm but later grew to incorporate the former Boys & Girls Club site as well. So the footprint of the project has approximately doubled and the budget went from $25 million to $65 million. Overall, still a very dense project that will add a lot of units to a formerly desolate section of the neighborhood.

19 hours ago, ucgrady said:

The south stairwell of Liberty & Elm is topped out giving a good idea of the final height. This corridor of Central has changed so much and this project is really filling in nicely. 

 

The parking garage appears open now and the first floor retail spaces are closed in; I'm not a retail expert but the space on the corner is huge and I'm really curious what kinds of tenants they are expecting or planned for. 

Thanks for posting these photos!

 

The Central Parkway corridor has the Sam Adams Brewery correct?

 

And also one of the corners it looks like it's a small park, but still, you are correct, this intersection will be a LOT different in 5 years.

 

Would be nice if they could redevelop that park, I'm OK to keep it green space but it probably doesn't get much use? Maybe it will in the future with all the new residents moving in.

 

Also with the Central Parkway rehabilitation, I wonder how this intersection will then look? It's so big, it will be nice to downsize the intersection significantly and really add a full scheme "pedestrian crossing" design with blinking lights, etc.

3 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Liberty & Elm: Project set to deliver in early 2025 with smaller unit footprint

By Abby Miller – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jan 5, 2024

 

Work is well underway on the long-awaited mixed-use development at Liberty and Elm streets in Over-the-Rhine, with residential units expected to be delivered in the first quarter 2025, one of the developers told the Cincinnati real estate community during ULI Cincinnati’s recent Emerging Trends 2024 program.

 

Buckingham Properties is working alongside Kean Development to develop a $65 million mixed-use development near Findlay Market. That’s down 18.7% from the originally projected $80 million investment for the development.

 

MORE

 

Sorry I don't have a courier account.  What do they mean smaller unit footprint?  The number of apartments will be less ie the buildings will be smaller?  Or they're not developing some of the land they previously said they would? 

1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

Sorry I don't have a courier account.  What do they mean smaller unit footprint?  The number of apartments will be less ie the buildings will be smaller?  Or they're not developing some of the land they previously said they would? 

The number count is now 276 from the original 305. Not really sure what part of development the removed units are coming from though. 

Edited January 5, 20241 yr by Ucgrad2015

I think Logan street view will have one of the most dramatic before/after changes we’ve seen in OTR with the Findlay garage (top circle) and Logan commons (mid circle) taking up two decent sized parking lots and Liberty and Elm (two bottom circles) taking up vacant land. 
 

 

3 hours ago, IAGuy39 said:

Thanks for posting these photos!

 

The Central Parkway corridor has the Sam Adams Brewery correct?

 

And also one of the corners it looks like it's a small park, but still, you are correct, this intersection will be a LOT different in 5 years.

 

Would be nice if they could redevelop that park, I'm OK to keep it green space but it probably doesn't get much use? Maybe it will in the future with all the new residents moving in.

 

Also with the Central Parkway rehabilitation, I wonder how this intersection will then look? It's so big, it will be nice to downsize the intersection significantly and really add a full scheme "pedestrian crossing" design with blinking lights, etc.

 

Sam Adams' taproom is right next to this development in the Film Center building which was rehabbed a few years ago. The actual brewery is right across Central Parkway from there. (They do brewery tours that leave from the taproom.)

 

The pocket park at the SE corner of Central Parkway & Liberty is unlikely to be developed IMO and serves as a nice greenspace for people in that section of the neighborhood to walk dogs, so I'm not too worried about it. I'd love to see the intersection get massively slimmed down and made more pedestrian friendly though. It still isn't great under the Central Parkway Complete Streets project:

 

1 hour ago, taestell said:

 

Sam Adams' taproom is right next to this development in the Film Center building which was rehabbed a few years ago. The actual brewery is right across Central Parkway from there. (They do brewery tours that leave from the taproom.)

 

The pocket park at the SE corner of Central Parkway & Liberty is unlikely to be developed IMO and serves as a nice greenspace for people in that section of the neighborhood to walk dogs, so I'm not too worried about it. I'd love to see the intersection get massively slimmed down and made more pedestrian friendly though. It still isn't great under the Central Parkway Complete Streets project:

 

Thanks for posting! And that's good on the green space, I am all for more / keeping green space, I am just not down there at all anymore so I wasn't really sure what type of traffic it got. I am sure it will be put to much more use with all the new residents set to come in!

 

Thanks for posting the rendering here too. Question on this, on the dashed line on either side of the street, is that currently where the curb is? That actually is a pretty big difference if so, but that said if they do this treatment to the next stretch of Central Parkway north of here they can slim the intersection even further which would be much better for pedestrians.

6 hours ago, Dev said:

So is this project being converted into a co-op owned by the future residents???

 

 

Sounds interesting:

 

“If you look at traditional renters, someone is paying $20,000 a year, or $100,000 over five years, to live in OTR, but they get zero equity. We think we can change that,” he said. “We can deliver equity to our tenants. They can stay here, in any unit across our network of properties, and build equity.”

 

The tagline is “Pay for 10 years and live rent free,” Pradaga said.

 

“And for some people, life will take shape over time, so after five years, they may have to move, but they’ve built up a reasonable amount of equity, so we’ll cut a dividend check and send it to them,” he said.

 

The properties will be put in a collective trust once the mortgage obligations are paid off.

On 1/5/2024 at 4:03 PM, taestell said:

 

 

Sounds interesting:

 

“If you look at traditional renters, someone is paying $20,000 a year, or $100,000 over five years, to live in OTR, but they get zero equity. We think we can change that,” he said. “We can deliver equity to our tenants. They can stay here, in any unit across our network of properties, and build equity.”

 

The tagline is “Pay for 10 years and live rent free,” Pradaga said.

 

“And for some people, life will take shape over time, so after five years, they may have to move, but they’ve built up a reasonable amount of equity, so we’ll cut a dividend check and send it to them,” he said.

 

The properties will be put in a collective trust once the mortgage obligations are paid off.

Sounds like a condominium where the developer is seller financing the units.

3 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Sounds like a condominium where the developer is seller financing the units.

 

It could be a NYC-type co-op, with tenants steadily buying shares in their unit rather than buying them all at a traditional closing. 

New development proposed from Geis for central and vine.111 units total 2 7 story building commercial space as well.

 

Art Academy seems to be looking into to converting the streets around their campus into pedestrian access only with programming.

 

All here from OTRCC January meeting if you want kill a hour.

 

https://www.facebook.com/100077735353311/posts/390490550218787/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

13 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

New development proposed from Geis for central and vine.111 units total 2 7 story building commercial space as well.

 

Art Academy seems to be looking into to converting the streets around their campus into pedestrian access only with programming.

 

All here from OTRCC January meeting if you want kill a hour.

 

https://www.facebook.com/100077735353311/posts/390490550218787/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

Wish it would have still been the original 12 floor development, but this looks really nice and it’s better than a parking lot and will prolly sit better with people knowing that the alley will stay and also be widened to allow fire and EMS through. 

Edited January 22, 20241 yr by Ucgrad2015

17 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Wish it would have still been the original 12 floor development, but this looks really nice and it’s better than a parking lot and will prolly sit better with people knowing that the alley will stay and be widened to allows fire and EMS through. 

It's a different developer and more units proposed I believe.Schiffs was 72 units  and 12 stories.This is 111 units with 8500 sq feet of commercial space.Good addition if this one comes to fruition.

Maybe it's because I don't have Facebook but that link didn't work for me, are there any images or was it just a description? 

10 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

Maybe it's because I don't have Facebook but that link didn't work for me, are there any images or was it just a description? 

 

Hope this one actually gets built.  100+ new units would be a great addition. 

That's the kind of height that we need along a wide street like Central Parkway. Let's hope this doesn't get NIMBY'd down.

2 hours ago, taestell said:

That's the kind of height that we need along a wide street like Central Parkway. Let's hope this doesn't get NIMBY'd down.

And yet those people are the same people that say we need more housing but only if it’s at max 4 floors. With this fronting Central Parkway and multiple buildings close to it that are as tall if not taller than this, I would hope they would be ok with it. 

Most of the complaints about buildings being "too tall" are from people who claim it will "destroy the character of the neighborhood." The proposed building is no taller than existing historic buildings along Central Parkway in OTR like Hale Justis, the American Building, Emery Building, or Alms & Doepke, and yet I'm sure somebody will still say it's "too tall."

The new OTR infill guidelines will likely require this building to be 3-4 stories facing Vine. We'll see if the city has any sense and ignores this aspect of the infill guidelines by granting a variance.

 

Edited to add context.

Attached is the map of the building heights by parcel. Here's the full list of guidelines.

 

6 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

The new OTR infill guidelines will likely require this building to be 3-4 stories facing Vine. We'll see if the city has any sense and ignores this aspect of the infill guidelines by granting a variance.

 

Edited to add context.

Is that for any part of a building facing vine or is it if the building has a Vine St. address? It’s such a small portion of the building facing Vine that I’d hope it wouldn’t be any concern. 

2 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Is that for any part of a building facing vine or is it if the building has a Vine St. address? It’s such a small portion of the building facing Vine that I’d hope it wouldn’t be any concern. 

 

There is no doubt in my mind some people will fight this project, and they will cite the infill guidelines. The most important aspect when reading the guidelines IMO is this paragraph about verbiage:
 

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Language used throughout the document is intended to convey the level of importance of compliance with each guideline referenced. Guidelines containing the words “must” or “must not” indicate that the guideline ought to be complied with in all circumstances. Guidelines containing the words “should” or “should not” indicate the intention that the guideline is very important and should be complied with in most cases, while recognizing that some high caliber designs will still comply with the spirit and intent of the Guidelines without strict adherence to the guideline in question, and warrant exemption from these guidelines. Guidelines containing the word “may” indicate the intention that compliance is optional

According to the guidelines on massing:
 

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The height of new construction should not vary more that one story from adjacent contributing buildings. Most buildings in Over-the-Rhine are between two and five stories.

In short: There is some leeway for the HCB, Planning, etc to approve a taller building fronting Vine. People will likely push back. We'll see how effective that is.

I think that map actually shows pretty clearly that if you want to build a building 5+ stories in OTR that the only place you should do so is along Central Parkway. If someone tries to use that map to argue against the height I would hope it will backfire. 

1 hour ago, ucgrady said:

I think that map actually shows pretty clearly that if you want to build a building 5+ stories in OTR that the only place you should do so is along Central Parkway. If someone tries to use that map to argue against the height I would hope it will backfire. 

 

And that is a damn shame because I can't think of any parcels in OTR that aren't appropriate for at least 5 stories.

1 hour ago, ucgrady said:

I think that map actually shows pretty clearly that if you want to build a building 5+ stories in OTR that the only place you should do so is along Central Parkway. If someone tries to use that map to argue against the height I would hope it will backfire. 

There are compromises to be had, You can increase building height in the area while still being respectful to the historical fabric. 

Even through the use of setbacks you can hide taller structures from the street (similar to what they did in Hyde Park Square 20 years ago as just one example).

 

nobody is proposing building a 20 story tower along Walnut or Main in OTR. However a 7-8 story building could blend nicely into the urban fabric