February 23, 200916 yr Model Group releases Trinity Flats rendering http://www.building-cincinnati.com/2009/02/model-group-releases-trinity-flats.html The Model Group has released a rendering by architect glaserworks of Trinity Flats, a new construction and rehabiliation condominium project at the corner of Vine and Mercer streets in Over-the-Rhine. The new construction project, which is getting ready for footers, will include 18 units; Seven units will be created in the rehabbed buildings at 1332-1342 Vine Street. Twenty parking spaces will be included on site and five spaces in the adjacent lot. Bobby Maly, vice president of development for the Model Group, also reports that they have gotten two contracts on Fourteenth and Vine this past week. Both projects are part of Phase III of 3CDC's Gateway Quarter, a $30.3 million project that includes 106 for-sale housing units and over 15,000 square feet of commercial space.
February 23, 200916 yr I noted it at B-C and will note it here: I love the rendering. I was curious as to where the parking would fit, but it looks like it will be a sheltered, interior garage. Tastefully done, and I love the balconies that add some variation to the building wall. Why are all the people (models) obese or pear-shaped??? Is this a sign to come!?
February 23, 200916 yr I'm ecstatic about the balconies overlooking the street. The more "eyes on the street" in OTR, the better. I almost think that all new construction, in OTR, should include balconies for every unit. I don't even look at places that lack some sort of outdoor living space like a rooftop terrace or balcony. This looks like another great infill project from Model.
February 23, 200916 yr Why are all the people (models) obese or pear-shaped??? Lavomatic's right down the street.
February 23, 200916 yr Great infill of a corner site. Kudos to Glaserworks for the design. Is it dryvit or brick?
February 23, 200916 yr Yeah, this looks like a solid design. They've been working on knocking the back out of the existing building for what seems like a year now. Isn't a garage going in across the street where the red barn was? With this and something at the SE corner of this intersection, the Vine streetwall will be nearly complete. What is the plan, if any, for the vacant 4-floor building on Mercer just to the right of this rendering?
February 24, 200916 yr Great infill of a corner site. Kudos to Glaserworks for the design. Is it dryvit or brick? I'm sure it's brick, right? I can't see that design incorporating dryvit.
February 25, 200916 yr Does anyone know if there is a chance that the post office will be rehabbed into a post office again?
February 25, 200916 yr The last thing I heard, there was talk of trying to use that building for a restaurant.
February 25, 200916 yr Does anyone know if there is a chance that the post office will be rehabbed into a post office again? That is part of Model Groups Trinity Flats project. The renovation of the historic buildings will come after the new infill that is show a couple posts earlier. When I toured the project, they said that the post office building would be marketed as a restaurant space. Although I did suggest to them that they consider the idea of a post office use of some sort (I wouldn't count on it).
February 25, 200916 yr Yes, I recalled that it would be fully rebuilt. It is literally nothing more than a front facade. This little white building is the old post office.
February 25, 200916 yr I've always wanted it to be used as a post office, and it would be great to see these types of services in the Gateway Quarter. They have to build what the market demands though, and they obviously know what they are doing.
February 25, 200916 yr I've always wanted it to be used as a post office, and it would be great to see these types of services in the Gateway Quarter. This was exactly my thought as well.
February 25, 200916 yr Author Does anyone know the address of the old post office or have a photo of it so we can see it online?
February 25, 200916 yr http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS305&q=1342m+vine+street+cincinnati&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=h0SlSYyVB9PGtgfmtMTNBA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image 1342 Vine St.
February 25, 200916 yr I really wish they could put a bank or credit union in too. So far the only one is US Bank at Nicola's, correct? OR am I missing some in northern CBD?
February 25, 200916 yr Here is a picture I took of the Post Office looking through the front security fence. As you can see it is a gut job. No back wall. Basically just a roof now. All pictures from the Blogger Tour of Living: http://queencitysurvey.blogspot.com/2008/09/blogger-tour-of-living.html
February 25, 200916 yr I really wish they could put a bank or credit union in too. So far the only one is US Bank at Nicola's, correct? OR am I missing some in northern CBD? There is a Cincinnati Central Credit Union branch location at 1800 Vine Street - http://www.cccu.coop/aboutus_lh.html - and there are tons of bank locations in the CBD if you go that far. There is also a new bank that opened in the new retail space at City West in the West End.
February 27, 200916 yr A story I was reading in the business courier had a link to it. I just read Friday and February and figured it was new.
March 6, 200916 yr Motivated by desire to help Over-the-Rhine thrive http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/03/09/story19.html These are tough times for cash-strapped nonprofits, but Greg Hardman has a knack for getting maximum leverage from “liquid” assets. The CEO and owner of Christian Moerlein Brewing Co. is a major backer of the Over-the-Rhine Foundation. His support includes financial contributions and personal involvement with events and fundraisers it puts on. That includes Bockfest, the annual Renaissance-themed tribute to bock beer, bockwurst and the coming of spring. Click link for rest of article.
March 7, 200916 yr Someday, when the neighborhood is truly thriving, “I just want to be able to say I was one of the many that helped. It’s not that complicated,” he said. “There are real philanthropists out there. I just work hard for my community. I want Over-the-Rhine to work. I do my share.” In order to say he had a large part in revitalizing OTR, he needs to make a permanent investment and bring those brewery jobs back to Cincinnati.
March 7, 200916 yr Yeah, he's said quite a few times he wants to bring some brewing back to OTR. In New York City there's a very similar operation, the Brooklyn Brewery. They brew and bottle most of their beer for distribution at a large plant outside of the city, but they have a smaller place in Greenpoint, Brooklyn that brews the beer for kegs for bars, as well as some of the special beers. On weekends they have a little tour, and then sell the beer to the visitors in plastic cups for fairly cheap. It is one of the most crowded, popular places I have ever seen. The neighborhood is strikingly similar to OTR, too. Something tells me something like this could work for Moerlein.
March 15, 200916 yr That shell station is an absolute nightmare. I REFUSE to ever go there. Kids loiter and try to take the gas nozzle out of your hand so you can pay them for filling you up and the air hose nozzle is broken off, (used for smoking crack). The credit card reader never worked so you had to go to the pay window and wait in line with the crazy people. The only good thing is that the owner has told us he will not sell mini test tube flower vases like you can pick up at the short stop market at sycamore and liberty.( also used for smoking crack). Try it again, Chris (the owner) has done a lot of good things in the past year he has owned it. He's worked with CPD to cut down on the kids loitering, the litter is down, the gas and air pumps work fine every time I've been there, and the classical music does work. My husband and I actually stopped at that Shell station about a week ago. We didn't have any of the issues mentioned, and the credit card reader worked fine. Unfortunately, the Shell station is no longer playing classical music. I have noticed that I am panhandled more often when I go there since the music has been turned off.
March 15, 200916 yr That shell station is an absolute nightmare. I REFUSE to ever go there. Kids loiter and try to take the gas nozzle out of your hand so you can pay them for filling you up and the air hose nozzle is broken off, (used for smoking crack). The credit card reader never worked so you had to go to the pay window and wait in line with the crazy people. The only good thing is that the owner has told us he will not sell mini test tube flower vases like you can pick up at the short stop market at sycamore and liberty.( also used for smoking crack). Try it again, Chris (the owner) has done a lot of good things in the past year he has owned it. He's worked with CPD to cut down on the kids loitering, the litter is down, the gas and air pumps work fine every time I've been there, and the classical music does work. My husband and I actually stopped at that Shell station about a week ago. We didn't have any of the issues mentioned, and the credit card reader worked fine. Unfortunately, the Shell station is no longer playing classical music. I have noticed that I am panhandled more often when I go there since the music has been turned off. My only experience there was going through the drive-through ATM in the parking lot. A guy walked up right up to my window and asked for money. Not going to that ATM again.
March 16, 200916 yr The air pump was broken as of last week (again), and the credit card reader didn't work (yesterday) at that Shell. I missed the Classical music as well. The last time I tried to use the ATM, I had at least three bums come up and ask for money. I finally turned around and shouted "FUCK OFF I'M NOT A HUMAN ATM" which aroused the entire station!
March 18, 200916 yr This is a great shot. I love the modern flair they've given the rooftop terrace railing. When people are having parties up there it will really spill out onto the street and liven things up. I also like the design element in the center of the building that adds some variation to the exterior finish while also distinguishing it from the historic structures surrounding it.
March 18, 200916 yr Hmmm. You say awesome, I say a proportion travesty. It is a nice contemporary addition to a histroic neighborhood, with nice features, but far from awesome.
March 18, 200916 yr All of the windows in the retail space at 14th & Vine are large garage doors which can be pushed up, allowing people to come right in off the street. It's going to be a great space for some business.
March 18, 200916 yr Hmmm. You say awesome, I say a proportion travesty. It is a nice contemporary addition to a histroic neighborhood, with nice features, but far from awesome. "Proportion travesty" is what WAS at this site prior to this building! It's all a matter of individual opinion. I didn't like the original renderings, so this is a pleasant surprise to me. The final product has inched it's way up my "Awesomeness Chart"
March 18, 200916 yr Hmmm. You say awesome, I say a proportion travesty. It is a nice contemporary addition to a histroic neighborhood, with nice features, but far from awesome. I invite you to produce your own sketch of a well-proportioned alternative to this building, in the spirit of debate and furthering a constructive conversation.
March 18, 200916 yr Hmmm. You say awesome, I say a proportion travesty. It is a nice contemporary addition to a histroic neighborhood, with nice features, but far from awesome. The fenestration is consistent with it's surroundings. Height is appropriate. It's brick. The only thing I can see people not liking is the turret, but since it's on a street corner I think it's appropriate. Great addition to Vine.
March 18, 200916 yr I agree, it is a welcome addition, especially in comparison to what used to be there. The windows are well proportioned with others on the street, the modern detailing is quite different (e.g. the glass railing at the top), and the turret adds some variation to the streetwall. I can't remember what material fills in the center accent.
March 18, 200916 yr The sliver through the facade makes me a little uneasy. My other criticism is the flat top on the turret, although I like the turret overall. The handrail on the roof is a problem for me as well. I worked on a proposal for a project that was a renovation of a contributing structure to the historic district, with a huge flat roof and a beautiful view. Being a historic building, the handrail for an accessable roof couldn't be visible from the street, so we set it back about 6' and hid it from the line of sight. This is something I'd like to see on more of these roof decks, because the handrail really puts it out of context. Making a parapet into a handrail works too, which I have seen done in a few places.
March 18, 200916 yr I think 14th & Vine looks great. It adds a few contemporary details to an otherwise traditional-looking building. I can't wait to see what it looks like with the silver inset and silver detailing on the turret.
March 18, 200916 yr The sliver through the facade makes me a little uneasy. My other criticism is the flat top on the turret, although I like the turret overall. The handrail on the roof is a problem for me as well. I worked on a proposal for a project that was a renovation of a contributing structure to the historic district, with a huge flat roof and a beautiful view. Being a historic building, the handrail for an accessable roof couldn't be visible from the street, so we set it back about 6' and hid it from the line of sight. This is something I'd like to see on more of these roof decks, because the handrail really puts it out of context. Making a parapet into a handrail works too, which I have seen done in a few places. It does relate well to its context, but that is not what I am referring to. Mention proportion to those trained in neighborhood design, it takes on a whole different meaning than it does to those trained architecturally. I can tell Ram and I have similar training... The elements other than fenestration do not relate well to eachother. Most obviously, the turret is what makes this design less successful. The inset curve appears as arbitrary decoration and I would prefer it eliminated, and I am curious what happens just below the glass railing, but I will reserve final judgement until completion. The design has potential, but, so far, I would have made a few different decisions.
March 19, 200916 yr It does relate well to its context, but that is not what I am referring to. Mention proportion to those trained in neighborhood design, it takes on a whole different meaning than it does to those trained architecturally. I can tell Ram and I have similar training... Care to fill the rest of us lowly UOers in on this neighborhood design insider meaning of proportion?
March 19, 200916 yr Care to fill the rest of us lowly UOers in on this neighborhood design insider meaning of proportion? You are more than welcome to take what I said as an insult. But if you want to take it as I intended, then reread what I typed with the understanding that I find it interesting how people of different backgrounds view the same thing. In this case, I was noting the difference between those with planning backgrounds vs. those with architectural backgrounds. If it isn't obvious... I wouldn't be here if I thought it was "lowly."
March 19, 200916 yr I agree w/ CItK. I'm glad it's going up, but there are indeed some goofy proportions and details. Aside from the turret, the curve makes no sense and the awkward protrusion of windows on the other side says, "We know this is an urban building, but we just want to remind you that we usually do office parks and middle schools."
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