April 17, 200916 yr I agree. I was quite surprised to see they were going to be using a span wire. There are too many overhead wires as it is. Are they planning to bury any of the electric lines in Over the Rhine?
April 17, 200916 yr Not sure if it's been mentioned...The Segway store is now open at the Corner of Central Parkway and Vine in the Gateway Condos building Directly across the street from Park + Vine. Go check it out!
April 17, 200916 yr I agree. I was quite surprised to see they were going to be using a span wire. There are too many overhead wires as it is. Are they planning to bury any of the electric lines in Over the Rhine? It's supposed to resemble Main Street, so yes. Without the presence of the other wires, the span-wire traffic signals really don't look that bad.
April 19, 200916 yr Australian speculators are gobbling up Over-the-Rhine properties: http://thephonyconey.blogspot.com
April 19, 200916 yr LOL ... that blog doesn't exactly seem like the most credible news source, to say the least. However, as I mentioned in another thread, the MLS shows that a ton of properties in OTR recently went "sale pending" particularly along the proposed streetcar route. I can't speculate about nationality, but it sure looks like someone decided to buy up a bunch of properties North of Liberty all at once.
April 19, 200916 yr Australian speculators are gobbling up Over-the-Rhine properties: http://thephonyconey.blogspot.com Hmmm ... that writing style looks familiar.
April 19, 200916 yr damn aussies. i love the aussies. Just going on both sides of the record so I can say I told you so either way. I don't normally go both ways.
April 20, 200916 yr Maybe we could get a Fosters operation to set up shop in the area like Sammy Adams. Bring back Morlein and and this Brewery District label could really take off. And by that, I mean the history is great and very cool, but it means soooo much more when we could have MULTIPLE active breweries still around! By the way, Who makes Boss Cox "Corrupt & Content"? Is it Barrelhouse?
April 23, 200916 yr Yet another "exposing gentrification" article by a misinformed college student. http://www.newsrecord.org/sections/spotlight/exposing-gentrification-1.1726446 Please tell this "reporter" what is truly going on in OTR today.
April 23, 200916 yr very frustrating article. it's a journalist's responsibility to be informed and not put out garbage like that. TNR better shouldn't publish stuff like that if it wants to be taken seriously
April 23, 200916 yr Wow. Haven't seen a college paper article that misinformed since http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2009/04/bicyclists_need_to_stay_on_sidewalk
April 23, 200916 yr The stuff the news record has been publishing as of late is nothing short of journalistically irresponsible.
April 23, 200916 yr Welcome back Yes, welcome back. Thank you. It is good to be back. very frustrating article. it's a journalist's responsibility to be informed and not put out garbage like that. OTR has had many such frustrating articles that were not only ill informed but simply had the wrong information. This is why it is so important for us to respond and set the record straight. That helps a reader who may just stumble on the article see both sides of an argument and help them make a more informed decision as to what is truly happening here and it puts the writer on notice that they will be called on journalistic negligence. The Cincinnati Beacon had done the same thing with 3CDC regarding a building they claimed had kicked out people. When delving further into the information they presented as fact it turned out they only sourced a Street Vibes article and made no effort to speak to anyone on the development side at all. The only explanation I got from Justin Jeffre was they did not have the staff to adequately research a subject before they trashed it. This particular reporter at the News Record is probably going to end up at a paper like Street Vibes that is interested in only pushing an agenda rather than reporting accurate information.
April 23, 200916 yr For those of you are not on the Gateway Quarter Facebook Group Site yet and were not one of the lucky 600 or so to receive your invitation from Holly or Stacy to the Gateway Final Friday Cocktail Party, here it is. Gateway Quarter Cocktail Party Friday, April 24, 2009 Time: 7:00pm - 9:00pm Location: Good Fellows Hall Street: Main Street Phone:5136214283 Email:[email protected]
April 23, 200916 yr It's fraudulent for any article on gentrification to not reference the recent landmark study on the subject. For those not familiar, a multi-university study examined data from thousands upon thousands of neighborhoods before and after gentrification. The study concluded (despite their own initial assumptions) that almost all the supposed negatives of gentrification don't actually happen. Low income residents are not displaced any faster than in typical renter turnover in non-gentrifying neighborhoods. Furthermore, low income minority residents in a gentrified neighborhood saw a significant increase in their houshold income, over non-gentrified neighborhoods. I don't remember the exact numbers, but for one group it was as high as 33%. Anyway, point being that even if 3CDC were converting occupied housing into condos (which they aren't), it still wouldn't be a bad thing. These anti-gentrification crusaders are ignorant at best, frauds at worst. I'm going to give this student "journalist" the benefit of the doubt, and just presume it's ignorance from a poorly researched article.
April 23, 200916 yr I'm too lazy to dig up the actual papers, but here's a link to a Time Magazine article which provides a great summary. It's actually two studies - a 2008 multi-university study, and a 2005 Columbia university paper. It gives you the names of the professors, so you might be able to dig up the originals from there. http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1818255,00.html
April 23, 200916 yr I lied. I went looking for the original 2008 paper anyway. It actually wasn't easy, as it seems like all the other websites just cited the Time article too. :) You have to pay $5 for the paper. Here's the abstract: http://www.nber.org/papers/w14036.pdf This paper uses confidential Census data, specifically the 1990 and 2000 Census Long Form data, to study the demographic processes underlying the gentrification of low-income urban neighborhoods during the 1990's. In contrast to previous studies, the analysis is conducted at the more refined census-tract level with a narrower definition of gentrification and more closely matched comparison neighborhoods. The analysis is also richly disaggregated by demographic characteristic, uncovering differential patterns by race, education, age and family structure that would not have emerged in the more aggregate analysis in previous studies. The results provide no evidence of displacement of low-income non-white households in gentrifying neighborhoods. The bulk of the increase in average family income in gentrifying neighborhoods is attributed to black high school graduates and white college graduates. The disproportionate retention and income gains of the former and the disproportionate in-migration of the latter are distinguishing characteristics of gentrifying U.S. urban neighborhoods in the 1990's.
April 23, 200916 yr Despite this article's attempt to put a negative spin on the wonderful efforts of 3cdc and others to breathe new life into OTR, I think most people will read the article and come away with a more positive view of OTR. The paragraph below is great press for OTR. Parallel to the loss of residence, the area is also experiencing the addition of unique shops and businesses through the progress of The Gateway Quarter and with the help of 3CDC. To date, the gentrification has been very successful, at least as seen through the eyes of the wealthy. I say, keep these stories coming. I want to hear more about how successful the efforts to clean up OTR have been.
April 23, 200916 yr Inspections are happening right now on 14th and Vine and the steel is going up for the new portion of Trinity Flats across the street. B2B is set to begin work on their newest building on Elm Street (still awaiting a name).
April 23, 200916 yr As of yesterday the power lines had been buried on the eastern side of Vine Street. It looked like they were prepping the western side to be worked on soon.
April 23, 200916 yr That quick? I was down there only a few days ago... great to see such quick progress.
April 23, 200916 yr I lied. I went looking for the original 2008 paper anyway. It actually wasn't easy, as it seems like all the other websites just cited the Time article too. :) You have to pay $5 for the paper. Here's the abstract: http://www.nber.org/papers/w14036.pdf This paper uses confidential Census data, specifically the 1990 and 2000 Census Long Form data, to study the demographic processes underlying the gentrification of low-income urban neighborhoods during the 1990's. In contrast to previous studies, the analysis is conducted at the more refined census-tract level with a narrower definition of gentrification and more closely matched comparison neighborhoods. The analysis is also richly disaggregated by demographic characteristic, uncovering differential patterns by race, education, age and family structure that would not have emerged in the more aggregate analysis in previous studies. The results provide no evidence of displacement of low-income non-white households in gentrifying neighborhoods. The bulk of the increase in average family income in gentrifying neighborhoods is attributed to black high school graduates and white college graduates. The disproportionate retention and income gains of the former and the disproportionate in-migration of the latter are distinguishing characteristics of gentrifying U.S. urban neighborhoods in the 1990's. or just go here http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/6671/1/MPRA_paper_6671.pdf
April 23, 200916 yr If I get a chance this weekend, I'm going to try to respond to the News Record article. One UC media outlet calling out another UC media outlet.
April 23, 200916 yr I live at the corner of Walnut and Central, and every day, I noticed the board covering up one of the main window fronts (see). Well, they took it down today, and they are working on the interior! I'm not sure what is going in...
April 23, 200916 yr I live at the corner of Walnut and Central, and every day, I noticed the board covering up one of the main window fronts (see). Well, they took it down today, and they are working on the interior! I'm not sure what is going in... wait, what? Your link isnt working for me.
April 24, 200916 yr What is the address of the Elm St Property? Don't hold me to this but it should be 1408. The building next door to Dan McDonald's if that helps. It will be a music theme due to its proximity to Music Hall. If I get a chance this weekend, I'm going to try to respond to the News Record article. I would appreciate it if you would. Bad press is bad enough when it is deserving but there are some serious factual errors all throughout that article that were crafted more to push an agenda vs accurate reporting of news. And don't forget Gateway Quarter Final Friday Cocktail Party Friday, April 24, 2009 Time: 7:00pm - 9:00pm Location: Good Fellows Hall Street: Main Street
April 24, 200916 yr I live at the corner of Walnut and Central, and every day, I noticed the board covering up one of the main window fronts (see). Well, they took it down today, and they are working on the interior! I'm not sure what is going in... wait, what? Your link isnt working for me. Whoops. Try this link. It seemed that there was an entryway previously. They are installing new partions.
April 24, 200916 yr If I get a chance this weekend, I'm going to try to respond to the News Record article. One UC media outlet calling out another UC media outlet. If you do, please mention the 1,800 homeless children in NKY (according to the local news last night...wlwt special report on homeless children - so the number and story are probably uber-sensationalized). I would ask that woman to help those children rather than making a charity case out of OTR.
April 24, 200916 yr Whoops. Try this link. It seemed that there was an entryway previously. They are installing new partions. An upscale beauty salon is going there. The entrance on the side was relocated to the front of the building.
April 24, 200916 yr ^Thanks for the update. I actually asked my landlord last night and he confirms that as well. It will be a welcome addition to a long-vacant corner parcel. Now they need to fill Central and Jackson with a tenant!
April 24, 200916 yr That means there will soon be another salon option for you so that you don't have to drive all the way out to Kenwood.
April 24, 200916 yr LOL I wasn't needing a salon. I was needing a day spa!! :D I know I keep my nails all nice and clean, but not like that!
April 24, 200916 yr Models units are now being constructed in Falling Wall and Belmain. Bathroom finishes are now going into Mottainai. Cocktail Party tonight at Good Fellows Hall on Main at 7:00
April 28, 200916 yr New homes to debut in OTR http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090428/BIZ01/904290310
April 28, 200916 yr "Of the 86 condos part of the first two phases 77 percent have been sold, and 12 percent of the 106 units planned for the third phase are under contract..." That is a very strong following, to have the first two phases 77% sold.
April 28, 200916 yr "Of the 86 condos part of the first two phases 77 percent have been sold, and 12 percent of the 106 units planned for the third phase are under contract..." That is a very strong following, to have the first two phases 77% sold. Gateway 1 alone lists 16 open units, so the rest of the buildings must be pretty much sold out.
April 28, 200916 yr Google Map with sites listed Working with this for a while, I may get working to update it more...
April 29, 200916 yr That is a very strong following, to have the first two phases 77% sold. From product quality and mix to the competence and enthusiasm of the sales team, it is no surprise things are going as well as they are. What is also encouraging are the comments on Cincinnati.com's site (that was posted above by BDRUF) from existing residence and their first hand accounts of their experience in the Q and their perceptions of OTR today and continued optimism for the future.
May 4, 200916 yr Some photos from today... 1. Fourteenth & Vine infill project looking northwest along Vine Street. 2. Fourteenth & Vine infill project looking southwest from Vine Street. 3. Fourteenth & Vine infill project street-level detail (diggin' the large balconies). 4. Sweet building along Vine Street currently owned by 3CDC...would make for great offices if you ask me. 5. Lackman Lofts renovation project looking southeast from 13th & Republic streets (check out the massive balconies added to the back of this building). 6. The Lofts of Mottainai renovation project facade detail (love the colors). 7. The Lofts of Mottainai renovation project looking northeast from Republic Street. 8. Renovation project from Tender Mercies along 12th Street looking south from Republic Street.
May 4, 200916 yr Great working going on down there. I really don't like the blue and green colors they put on the 14th and Vine building, though.
May 5, 200916 yr Not sure how much work there is to be done, but 14th & Vine feels unfinished. Paint on the Mottainai project looks awesome.
May 5, 200916 yr Not sure how much work there is to be done, but 14th & Vine feels unfinished. Paint on the Mottainai project looks awesome. Agreed on Mottainai, we shall see on the other. Does the bottom floor of 14th & Vine remind anyone else of the Thai Cafe on Ludlow?
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