>Where can one see this photograph?

 

The Cincinnati Historical Society has it.

BTW, a floral shop is moving in to the ground floor of the Germania Building at 12th & Walnut streets.

 

and the guys behind the Righteous Room are going to open a bar on ground floor of Lackman Lofts.

and the guys behind the Righteous Room are going to open a bar on ground floor of Lackman Lofts.

 

I hope they aren't bad neighbors when it comes to noise issues like they have been at the Righteous Room.  From what I have heard, when neighbors had issues with them blaring their music at all hours of the night their response was to hire a lawyer to throw out the city noise ordinance.

^The Righteous Room is a bar in an established nightlife district. Residents shouldn't complain about noise if they choose to live around a nighlife district.

The other thing is that the Lackman space doesn't have any outdoor area like Righteous Room so the sound will be kept on the interior aside from the drunkenly behavior of those leaving.

Edale, the units above the Righteous Room were selling before the bar opened -- I recalled "for sale" signs for the units while the ground floor was also "for sale." Residents were complaining about the noise soon after the bar opened, and the developer came back to add additional soundproofing to the interior. But it didn't help when the bar spilled out into the back patio -- a cool feature, but not what the residents signed onto at all.

 

As for the Lackman -- I suppose that is for the better. I was kind of hoping for an eatery, something a little more affordable, since it is in such a prime location.

My point about the Righteous Room folks was that instead of working with residents via a dialog to see what could be worked out they decided to try and invalidate the entire noise ordinance via the lawyers.  That's the last I heard of the situation a couple of months ago, so maybe something has changed.

Tonight at 5:30 and 6:00, John London of Channel 5 will be doing a story about the casino, Gateway, NEONS and Jack Potts.  It should be a very positive piece about OTR.

There are things that can be done when residents live above a bar, such as adjusting speakers, not blaring music outside at 3 AM, etc.  Many establishments are willing to work with nearby residents. 

 

I would even say that most downtown residents understand there will be noise.  However, I think it's reasonable to ask that loud music is not blared around the clock.

^I'd say if you lived over near Garfield Park, or near Lytle Park, for example, then it would be legitimate to complain about loud noise at all hours.  However, if you live in an entertainment district, I don't think you have a lot of leg to stand on. My sister lived right behind the El in Chicago, and always complained about how insanely loud it was, and I said the same thing.  You have to weigh all the pros and cons of living in an area before you move.  If you hate the smell of baking bread, don't live above a bakery.  Can't stand traffic noise? Don't live on a busy street.  Same thing goes with nightlife, imo.

^I'd say if you lived over near Garfield Park, or near Lytle Park, for example, then it would be legitimate to complain about loud noise at all hours. However, if you live in an entertainment district, I don't think you have a lot of leg to stand on. My sister lived right behind the El in Chicago, and always complained about how insanely loud it was, and I said the same thing. You have to weigh all the pros and cons of living in an area before you move. If you hate the smell of baking bread, don't live above a bakery. Can't stand traffic noise? Don't live on a busy street. Same thing goes with nightlife, imo.

 

This area of Walnut wasn't a rowdy bar area until RR moved in. You had the Ruby's/Aronoff crowd, not exactly the loudest patrons you could think of. I had a similar experience on Race when Redfish moved out and Sully's moved in - as business districts expand, the new owners should work to play nice with the surrounding residents (their potential best customers), or, as Sully's did, the business will go under when the sheen wears off.

Moved discussion about experiences at Senate and Lavomatic to the restaurant thread in an attempt to keep this discussion focused on the construction aspect of the Gateway Quarter.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1769.0.html

4EG to open new bar in OTR

Business Courier of Cincinnati - by Andy Brownfield Courier Contributor

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2010/03/01/daily49.html

 

Four Entertainment Group (4EG) is planning to open a new bar in Over-the-Rhine’s Gateway Quarter.

 

The group, which owns numerous Cincinnati-area bars, including the Stand, the Righteous Room and the Mount Adams Pavilion, is developing a new neighborhood bar called “the Lackman” at the Lackman Lofts site on Vine Street...

 

 

 

^ Damn, I think when you have folks like Jean Robert and 4EG coming to your 'hood, things are definitely changing!

Does 3CDC have any plans to implement a gym in the Gateway Quarter? To me it seems like an important amenity to the neighborhood. I have never been in the YMCA on Central, but I would guess that it is a bit out dated.

I was thinking that the vacant Church on the corner of Race and 15th would be a great building for a gym, and it's owned by the City. Churches can be difficult buildings to find an addaptable reuse for, and because there is probably very little of the interior intact it shouldn't be difficult to modify. I would think putting free weights on the first floor, with 'catwalk' space on the second floor for cardio machines, and a third floor running track would make a lot of sense. With large windows it would have a nice open feel to it.

The Gateway Quarter could even work it into the HOA's/ Rent, and make it available to other OTR residents at a slightly higher price. (That way it becomes a perk to buy from 3cdc)

 

Any thoughts?

 

Central Parkway YMCA isn't a state of the art facility but it is a nice gym.  I really like the tiled 20 meter pool in the basement that displays a picture of the 1921 world swimming team champions.

 

The Lord's Gym is right at the corner of Race and 12th.  Perfect!

Does 3CDC have any plans to implement a gym in the Gateway Quarter? To me it seems like an important amenity to the neighborhood. I have never been in the YMCA on Central, but I would guess that it is a bit out dated.

I was thinking that the vacant Church on the corner of Race and 15th would be a great building for a gym, and it's owned by the City. Churches can be difficult buildings to find an addaptable reuse for, and because there is probably very little of the interior intact it shouldn't be difficult to modify. I would think putting free weights on the first floor, with 'catwalk' space on the second floor for cardio machines, and a third floor running track would make a lot of sense. With large windows it would have a nice open feel to it.

The Gateway Quarter could even work it into the HOA's/ Rent, and make it available to other OTR residents at a slightly higher price. (That way it becomes a perk to buy from 3cdc)

 

Any thoughts?

 

Central Parkway YMCA isn't a state of the art facility but it is a nice gym. I really like the tiled 20 meter pool in the basement that displays a picture of the 1921 world swimming team champions.

 

The Lord's Gym is right at the corner of Race and 12th. Perfect!

 

I worked out there once and everyone was very supportive.

Does 3CDC have any plans to implement a gym in the Gateway Quarter? To me it seems like an important amenity to the neighborhood. I have never been in the YMCA on Central, but I would guess that it is a bit out dated.

I was thinking that the vacant Church on the corner of Race and 15th would be a great building for a gym, and it's owned by the City. Churches can be difficult buildings to find an addaptable reuse for, and because there is probably very little of the interior intact it shouldn't be difficult to modify. I would think putting free weights on the first floor, with 'catwalk' space on the second floor for cardio machines, and a third floor running track would make a lot of sense. With large windows it would have a nice open feel to it.

The Gateway Quarter could even work it into the HOA's/ Rent, and make it available to other OTR residents at a slightly higher price. (That way it becomes a perk to buy from 3cdc)

 

Any thoughts?

 

Central Parkway YMCA isn't a state of the art facility but it is a nice gym. I really like the tiled 20 meter pool in the basement that displays a picture of the 1921 world swimming team champions.

 

The Lord's Gym is right at the corner of Race and 12th. Perfect!

 

I worked out there once and everyone was very supportive.

 

Right. Could look into a group discount for UO members.

What is going on with the latest series of buildings being rehabbed? Anyone know how many additional residential units are being added with this phase? Does anyone have any photos of it? This phase doesn't seem to be getting as much attention as previous blocks have gotten.

I'm wondering the same thing. I remember hearing that the block was going to be mostly apartments.

You'll have to give some addresses to be more specific. I think Gateway Phase 3 and 4 are currently the ones U/C.

1400 block of Vine will include 32 apartments, some of those being studios, 1 bedrooms and 2 bedroom units. The Ace and Smitty's building are not being renovated.

^That's really a shame.  I wonder what those upper floors of Smitty's are being used for.  Just junk shit?

3CDC replaced the roof over Smitty's, IIRC. I think they are apartments, like the ones above Ace.

Rohs hardware and Smitty's are very long time owner/businesses.  I don't see why it is bad they remain, just as Suders did in the 1300 block.  Al Rohs' family has been on that block for a century, and every neighborhood needs a hardware store.

Which buildings are part of phases 3 and 4?

3CDC replaced the roof over Smitty's, IIRC. I think they are apartments, like the ones above Ace.

 

Aren't the window wells covered though?

Rohs hardware and Smitty's are very long time owner/businesses. I don't see why it is bad they remain, just as Suders did in the 1300 block. Al Rohs' family has been on that block for a century, and every neighborhood needs a hardware store.

 

Oh, I wasn't meaning to sound like they should be ousted.  I was just talking about renovation work, especially to floors above the street level.

OK y'all are just starting to ask questions in circles. If you have a question about a specific block, or a specific building, I, or more likely Sherman, or even Rando, can probably get an answer for you. But if you are just slinging general questions into the wind like "how's this stuff coming along?" then you can look at the 3CDC monthly and annual progress reports here:

 

http://www.3cdc.org/about/monthly-reports/

 

Noticed this in the monthly report:

 

• Laura Fuller Glass, a stained glass artist, has now opened in the former City Roots space at 1133 Vine St.  Laura is the sister of Carolyn Deininger, co-owner of Mica 12/v, and is visiting for an undetermined time from Maine. 

• Good Fellows:  commercial space leased to vintage clothing store, Atomic #10

 

Anyone checked them out/know if they've opened?

Yes both those places are opened.

and?

Here is a good summary of what is going on.....

 

OTR rehab moves up Vine

 

By Lisa Bernard-Kuhn • [email protected] • March 12, 2010

 

The Gateway Quarter sales office is moving into new digs as redevelopment in Over-the-Rhine progresses farther north into the neighborhood.

 

The office - which is managed by Link Realty - is moving from 1135 Vine St. into the newly built Trinity Flats at 1326 Vine. Link Realty is the lead real estate firm overseeing sales of newly built and renovated condominiums that are part of Over-the-Rhine's growing Gateway Quarter.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100312/BIZ01/3120342/1055/NEWS/OTR+rehab+moves+up+Vine

4 sales, 1 week.  Not the record, but still not bad.

Does anyone have a sense of the demographic appeal of the Gateway Quarter?  Families, singles, black, white?  Is there a sense of a "neighborhood" developing there?

Of course it's a generalization, but the demographics trend toward single white professionals.

^Basically people who show up to Bockfest.  :-D  :drunk: :police:

At night it's pretty young, but honestly during the day, I have seen a surprising number of older middle aged women and mothers with older children browsing the shops on Vine.

Since the whole discussion of racism and all that jabber had nothing to do with the Gateway Quarter or any of the developments, the topic has been scuttled to http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,5059.0.html.

My hopes of 12th Street between Walnut and Clay (near Main) have diminished. A homeless social-service agency has taken up shop in the white building between the condos at Walnut and 12th and the former bar at Clay and 12th. I noticed something was up last week when a flood of people kept entering/exiting the building, and when I kept getting panhandled for money while waiting for my garage door to open at the Emery (off of Clay). Last night, I found a few homeless people inside the Emery's lobby and shooed them away (it's a secure building, so I'm not sure how they got in).

 

Ugh. Build CityLink!

^

Building CityLink won't help Over-the-Rhine.  It won't remove the agencies already here, and only add more.

Part of the development incentive of a streetcar is that its fixed transit, and you can usually develop with less parking. I would rather developers plan on fixed transit service and wait a bit to make sure its imminent, which I am sure many of them are currently doing. This, as opposed to squandering density. This project is not as complex as the subway. I am usually a pessimist but I don't see why the streetcar would fall apart now. 

^

Building CityLink won't help Over-the-Rhine. It won't remove the agencies already here, and only add more.

He has a point...

This is an extremely depressing article about OUTSIDE in Over-the-Rhine's Gateway Quarter.

 

Dream pursuit a cash nightmare

Garden store closes amid economic slump

By Dan Horn, Cincinnati Enquirer, April 17, 2010

 

Terry Lee always told himself he'd know when his dream was over.

 

He vowed from the day he opened his garden store in Over-the-Rhine two years ago that he would do his best to succeed, but that he would be realistic if things didn't pan out. He'd spent years in the business world, and he knew that sometimes, no matter how hard he worked, the day might come when he would have to walk away.

Hopefully he reopens when the casino is finished.

^ The article says he'll probably declare bankruptcy, so I'm assuming it's pretty much over.

 

Very sad story, and really interesting to read about this guy's passion and resilience. That being said, you have to acknowledge that he opened up a luxury boutique gardening store in a transitional neighborhood where most resident don't have yards. So these things happen. And it seems like he's pretty open about the fact that he knew this could happen going into it.

 

Obviously, promoting OTR sounds like the primary reason he got into Outside in the first place; however, part of me wishes that he'd have given his business a shot in Oakley or even East Walnut hills. I bet he could have found much more success.

We had this discussion when they chatted with this guy the first time. His business plan never made sense for the location he was at.

I was talking recently about what people think should be down there at this stage in the neighborhood's development. Some things thrown out there were:

 

Laundry

Convenience grocery

Bank

Cheap food

A couple more bars, perhaps a wine bar or store

 

I thought about that. Basically the same kinds of things you see pop up in cheap strip centers at county road intersections when new subdivisions go in at the developing suburban fringe.

^Movie theater.

^Movie theater.

 

5th and Race

A big toy store