May 28, 20169 yr So I don't know if this is the right place for this, so apologize in advance if not, but I have a friend that lives in LA and is an agent for quite a few high level actors in Hollywood. He used to live in Cincinnati himself, and we were childhood friends until he got his own career started and moved to LA. Anyways, he told me that a script came across his desk that was to be filmed in Cincinnati, and most of the shots were to be exclusively done in OTR. Apperantly they were using OTR and Cincinnati in general for multiple locations (Brooklyn, Detroit, Chicago, and apparently Montreal). Not really sure what the main concept of the film is, but they are going to use Cincinnati and OTR to shoot those 4 cities on location here in Cincinnati. Apparently there's some high level talent attached to the film as well. From what he told me it's still in the early stages, but he's told me Cincinnati and OTR has gotten alot of interest lately in general since it can be a cheap location filler for many cities and time periods. So we'll see, but just thought that was interesting!
May 29, 20169 yr I'm not sure what movie he's talking about specifically, but we do have a Cincinnati Film Industry thread with some discussion about the various movies that have been shot here.
May 31, 20169 yr New Urban Winery + Event Space coming to OTR. http://www.skeletonroot.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/skeletonroot/?hl=en Located at 38 West Mickmicken Ave in OTR. Will open, "Early Summer". Also in other news, "Original Thoughts Required: OTR" has closed down there shop on Main St. As much as I like these small locally owned shops, I'm also looking for shops with real staying power. My dream is for Vine St to be the restaurant corridor, and Main St to be future homes for retail such as, Prada, Tommy Hilfinger, Coach, Versaci, Micheal Khors, Rolex, etc. That's what will bring permentant tourism downtown and to OTR, if you create a mega retail lineup of the best fashion has to offer. We have none of that downtown. Maybe Saks, that's all.
May 31, 20169 yr Also in other news, "Original Thoughts Required: OTR" has closed down there shop on Main St. As much as I like these small locally owned shops, I'm also looking for shops with real staying power. My dream is for Vine St to be the restaurant corridor, and Main St to be future homes for retail such as, Prada, Tommy Hilfinger, Coach, Versaci, Micheal Khors, Rolex, etc. That's what will bring permentant tourism downtown and to OTR, if you create a mega retail lineup of the best fashion has to offer. We have none of that downtown. Maybe Saks, that's all. Gross, and completely goes against the working class soul of the neighborhood. A small independent shop like Original Thought Required is a 1000% better fit for the neighborhood than superficial brand names imported from elsewhere. Maybe there's a place for that elsewhere downtown (Fourth Street I'm thinking) but OTR ain't it. www.cincinnatiideas.com
May 31, 20169 yr Many of even the very dense multi-family zoning districts like RM-0.7 or the small-lot single-family zone SF-2 still have 5' front and side yard setbacks. Slightly less dense zones like RM-1.2, RM-2.0, RMX, and single-family districts SF-4 and SF-6, which cover a good chunk of the West End, much of Pendleton, Mt. Auburn, and Fairview have 20'-25' front yard setbacks. So there's no residential-only zones that permit zero lot-line development (in some you have limited ability to do zero side setbacks for rowhouses but only within your own development), and there's nothing between the 5' and 20' front yard setbacks. That makes a lot of non-conforming buildings. +1. I totally agree that some parts of OTR need to be zoned to permit residential-only, zero lot line new construction without requiring a single developer to take over an entire block.
May 31, 20169 yr Also in other news, "Original Thoughts Required: OTR" has closed down there shop on Main St. As much as I like these small locally owned shops, I'm also looking for shops with real staying power. My dream is for Vine St to be the restaurant corridor, and Main St to be future homes for retail such as, Prada, Tommy Hilfinger, Coach, Versaci, Micheal Khors, Rolex, etc. That's what will bring permentant tourism downtown and to OTR, if you create a mega retail lineup of the best fashion has to offer. We have none of that downtown. Maybe Saks, that's all. Gross, and completely goes against the working class soul of the neighborhood. A small independent shop like Original Thought Required is a 1000% better fit for the neighborhood than superficial brand names imported from elsewhere. Maybe there's a place for that elsewhere downtown (Fourth Street I'm thinking) but OTR ain't it. While I agree those chains wouldn't exactly fit the neighborhood there is a disturbingly amount of vacant storefronts on Main St. It seems like there is a lot of work being done right now in them at least but it's a bad look to have so many empty storefronts around the popular bars there. Hopefully the upgraded Ziegler park and the new apartments in the old SCPA building add more traffic to the street that can thus support more businesses there.
May 31, 20169 yr When Alumni Lofts opens, suddenly those 200+ residents are going to be frequenting Main Street and Broadway Square. Ideally Main Street would keep the vibe it has now but add more in the empty storefronts. I wouldn't mind a high-end restaurant or another Japps-style bar, but overall the street should feel more indie and neighborhood-focused. Please kill me if a Prada, Tommy Hilfinger, Coach, Versaci, Micheal Khors, or Rolex opens on Main Street.
May 31, 20169 yr When Alumni Lofts opens, suddenly those 200+ residents are going to be frequenting Main Street and Broadway Square. Ideally Main Street would keep the vibe it has now but add more in the empty storefronts. I wouldn't mind a high-end restaurant or another Japps-style bar, but overall the street should feel more indie and neighborhood-focused. Please kill me if a Prada, Tommy Hilfinger, Coach, Versaci, Micheal Khors, or Rolex opens on Main Street. I mean, just to play devils advocate here, but I also think its important. Why should it feel indie? That's just your/our current preference. Isn't that a bit selfish? Previous residents probably didn't like that it became "indie." Should we let the neighborhood evolve with it's residents and city, as it always has? Don't ideals even like "keep our neighborhood indie" hold it back? This is an issue that has been played out in plenty of cities across the country, the market usually wins. OTR will continue to trend upscale, lose residents and lose diversity... Not saying I think we'll see luxury retailers on Main, but sorry I wouldn't hate a McDonalds. LOL
May 31, 20169 yr Vine Street caters to the tourists and suburbanites who want to come downtown to go to a cool restaurant or bar. But as we continue to add residential population downtown, we can't just continue to add more of the same on every street. We need to have neighborhood-oriented restaurants (somewhere people can go for lunch and not spend $15), bars that don't charge $10 for a cocktail, bodegas, convenience stores, coffee shops, etc. So I don't think it's selfish to want these things, I think it's essential if OTR is going to become a real neighborhood and not just a tourist destination. It's pretty clear that the area around 12th & Main is going to get some high end restaurants and I'm fine with that.
May 31, 20169 yr OK, well yea I agree with that 100%. I consider that just mature neighborhood amenities. I didn't know that's was what you meant by indie.
May 31, 20169 yr Main Street is about to add the following to empty storefronts: new concept from Cheapside Cafe folks (I heard ice cream); a new bakery; Collective Espresso moving onto Main St; Camino bike shop; Mini-Micro Cinema; whatever UrbanSites puts in old Mixx (Travis' high end restaurant?). The storefronts won't remain empty long.
May 31, 20169 yr The whole discussion of Main Street getting a Gucci and Prada store is so ridiculous, I can't even entertain the idea of it. No freakin' chance of it ever happening. Ever. I was at collective espresso a week or so ago, and there was open air drug dealing and dozens of junkies congregated in the alley across the street from it. That's not really Prada's scene... I agree that OTR needs a greater diversity of restsurant price points, but that is kind of a symptom of what the master lessor (3cdc) wants to see. If we could foster a greater diversity of rehabbers, perhaps we can find a little more retail variety. Also, chains are more likely to provide affordable options than most indie options, though there are already several affordable options in OTR (Gomez, Lucy Blue, Goodfellas, rotisserie place).
May 31, 20169 yr I tend to think Vine Street will continue to go higher upscale and more "indie" shops and restaurants and bars will continue to open on the Main Street area (non-3CDC). Who's to say however that the smaller rehabbers going North on Vine won't want to lease to a Prada or Gucci or whatever at some point? The Market will make the decisions because unless someone says "No I won't allow that to happen I want an independent store", then it will happen at some point because money talks. That said, I would bet you would see more of those type of name brand stores on 4th Street than you would up in OTR.
May 31, 20169 yr ^ If those stores would ever come to the Cincinnati market (HIGHLY doubtful), they'd almost definitely go to Kenwood, not OTR or Downtown. That's why I think it's a ridiculous and nonsensical conversation to even be having. Our Saks is likely to leave the region entirely in a few years, so the prospect of getting several smaller ultral-upscale boutiques to open in Cincy's urban core is basically fantasy.
May 31, 20169 yr In my opinion, I don't necessarily agree with that. I guess what I mean is that IF they do open in the area, and Cincinnati's core continues to boom or even accelerates the boom, it isn't all together unlikely. Though I would guess we wouldn't see any type of movement in that arena for another 5-10 years or so. I think downtown and OTR is in the middle of a huge change in just a few years with very big projects opening like GE, the PNC Tower annex building, 2 of those other large downtown buildings on 4th Street. Then you add together all the activity in OTR, a lot more people are going to be living in downtown and OTR in 2-3 years than they are currently.
May 31, 20169 yr ^ Yes, but more residents =/= luxury retail. There are very few places in the country where such stores exist, and it would take a sea change unlike we've ever seen in Cincinnati for those types of retailers to even enter the market, let alone locate in the urban core. I think we can definitely expect to see more retail as we increase our monied population in the core, but to think that we would go from empty storefronts to Prada and Fendi is naive. 4th Street (or Vine or Main) isn't going to join the ranks of Rodeo Drive, 5th Ave, or Michigan Ave/Oak Street just because of a couple building renos.
May 31, 20169 yr ^Right. I don't disagree with you on what you are saying specifically, but all I was saying is that they got these big buildings about to be renovated in the next 2-3 years and everything else on top of that could move the core to places we can't see now. That's all I am saying. I agree that it seems unlikely these high end stores will enter the market. But if they do decide in say 5 years from now, I wouldn't necessarily rule out downtown / OTR considering if the real estate boom continues and even accelerates we won't have a clue at this point what the market situation looks like. I also think certain areas go through a couple of say revitalization processes. The initital, then another turnover of the re-built store front and apartments/condos, and then probabably one more turnover as the area becomes even more valuable. I feel like we are already seeing that in some spots in OTR with first off the retail turnover, and secondly turning apartments into for sale Condos. That liquidates the holdings for the development companies to move onto the next project. I think we will see an acceleration of that as more and more areas in the basin become more valuable. Again only my opinion and not saying I disagree completely with what you are saying, but with GE and I am certain more and more companies moving downtown, you never know what will happen...
May 31, 20169 yr I'm not saying it's going to happen in the next 10 years from now. I don't know if it will happen period. All I know that OTR is soon becoming the most expensive zipcode in Cincinnati. Yes, there's still alot of poverty. Yes, there's still alot of crime. But at the same instance if you check zillow you are continously seeing 500-700k single family homes pop on the market, and being sold out within minutes. All I'm saying if OTR continues to sustain the success it's currently witnessing, and you continue to see wealthy people and families move to OTR, you WILL see luxery retailors present in OTR. Especially if tourism ever becomes a big thing in OTR as well. You guys should be more embracing of Luxery retailors. To me, personally, that's a sign that the neighborhood has finally "made" it.
May 31, 20169 yr A few things of note.... Jose Garcia Race St Project (Official Rendering): Not sure what street this is, but Renovations are beginning on the building: East 12th Street Building Renovation into Apartments: https://www.instagram.com/p/BGFeHuXGgC9/?taken-at=226520915&hl=en Not sure where this is, or what the nature of there rehab:
June 1, 20169 yr East 12th Street Building Renovation into Apartments: https://www.instagram.com/p/BGFeHuXGgC9/?taken-at=226520915&hl=en I don't think that building is being converted to apartments. I think it is condos in the upper floors. Urban Sites just bought the ground floor retail space and it looks like the building is being repainted.
June 1, 20169 yr Which project is currently going up directly across the street from 3CDC's Race Street Condos? Does anyone have a rendering?
June 1, 20169 yr I really like that rendering. That's what I hope the future of infill will be for OTR. Modern, but not TOO modern. A building that blends into the fabric, but not to the point where it sticks out like a sore thumb because the developer wanted to go all Neo-Italiantate Future with a splash of Blade Runner. The real future of infill is exciting though. We could essentially build with 3d printers now, and it's so cheaper with that method. The more we perfect the technology, the more detailed developers can get. Theoretically, in the next 50 years, you could build incredibly detailed archeciture that's on the level of 19th century american architecture for very little cost. We might be entering an age very soon, thanks to 3d printers, where we can finally see developers build incredibly detailed, and beautiful buildings again.
June 1, 20169 yr Check out the glassblock in the building to the left. And that couple has the world figured out.
June 1, 20169 yr It's the Jose Garcia project TroyEros posted the link to. Oh ok, thanks. For some reason I thought the building to the right was taller than it is.
June 1, 20169 yr Check out the glassblock in the building to the left. And that couple has the world figured out. That building to the left (1508 Race) is owned by a 3CDC affiliate and has its windows boarded up... which makes me think that there aren't glass block windows in it. I'm sure the person doing the rendering didn't want to waste any time sketching out the windows of the adjacent building, so they just filled the openings with a simple pattern.
June 1, 20169 yr Does anybody know which Historic Conservation Board packet included the Jose Garcia project (1506 Race St)?
June 1, 20169 yr No cornice... blows my mind. There's plenty of buildings that don't feature cornices in OTR....
June 1, 20169 yr And new construction seems to think none of them do. There has been infill with cornices. Look at the large towne properties 15th and Elm Project for instance. Those who choose to build traditional (aka copy and paste italianate so to speak) include cornices (you can see a good number of those on elm st infill). The more modern infill usually go for a more abstract feel and don't include cornices. The way I look at it is that every infill opportunity showcases 21st Century Modern Inspired Italianate. I want people in 2100, and look back at some of the infill and realize the different phases that OTR went through in it's architecture.
June 1, 20169 yr It actually began about a month ago with interior demolition but this is the first exterior work that has really started. I'm excited to see how this one changes the feel of that intersection.
June 1, 20169 yr Cornice is used pretty broadly in the city's infill standards for OTR. It basically just means some physical separation at the top of the building to cap it. It doesn't have to copy the exact look of an Italianate building's cornice.
June 1, 20169 yr I want people in 2100, and look back at some of the infill and realize the different phases that OTR went through in it's architecture. They're going to say exactly what people say now: wow hand-built things with pre-industrial materials are way more interesting than things that were designed in autocad and snapped together on-site.
June 1, 20169 yr I want people in 2100, and look back at some of the infill and realize the different phases that OTR went through in it's architecture. They're going to say exactly what people say now: wow hand-built things with pre-industrial materials are way more interesting than things that were designed in autocad and snapped together on-site. And they're going to wonder why anyone ever thought bowl sinks were cool.
June 1, 20169 yr Any word on what's going on with the Weilert building? (the green one) Just stabilization work.
June 2, 20169 yr I want people in 2100, and look back at some of the infill and realize the different phases that OTR went through in it's architecture. They're going to say exactly what people say now: wow hand-built things with pre-industrial materials are way more interesting than things that were designed in autocad and snapped together on-site. Yes, but then those buildings will be, "historic". :wink:
June 2, 20169 yr buildingcincinnati[/member] just posted on Facebook: As a result of public hearings held on 4/29/16, the following buildings have been declared a public nuisance and are subject to demolition by governmental action: * 3216 W 8TH ST, East Price Hill * 1409 BEECH AV, West Price Hill * 588 BLAIR AV, Avondale * 704 N FRED SHUTTLESWORTH CIR, Avondale * 2321 W MCMICKEN AV, CUF * 1701 RACE ST, Over-the-Rhine * 3323 SPOKANE AV, Evanston * 1333 YARMOUTH AV, Bond Hill How in the world is 1701 Race subject to demolition?
June 2, 20169 yr ^yeah - 1701 Race ought to be saved. Owned by Aaron Etzler at 1531 Elm St since 2003. 1531 Elm St is also owned by Aaron Etzler, but the mailing address is an hour and half north of here: 4243 S Shiloh Rd, Laura, OH 45337 I bet he's a negligent landlord who rarely comes down to maintain his properties. http://wedge3.hcauditor.org/view/re/0940008016400/2015/summary
June 2, 20169 yr Is 1701 Race the corner building? It's the tallest on the block! Would be a huge shame if it came down.
June 2, 20169 yr buildingcincinnati[/member] just posted on Facebook: As a result of public hearings held on 4/29/16, the following buildings have been declared a public nuisance and are subject to demolition by governmental action: * 3216 W 8TH ST, East Price Hill * 1409 BEECH AV, West Price Hill * 588 BLAIR AV, Avondale * 704 N FRED SHUTTLESWORTH CIR, Avondale * 2321 W MCMICKEN AV, CUF * 1701 RACE ST, Over-the-Rhine * 3323 SPOKANE AV, Evanston * 1333 YARMOUTH AV, Bond Hill How in the world is 1701 Race subject to demolition? Turn the corner down green and look at the back side of the building: https://goo.gl/maps/FspukxMus3E2 That open area has been exposed to the elements for years now, and who knows how many people have gotten in there and caused destruction. Also, half the windows are open in the streetview - the building doesn't look to be occupied at all so that means they are also just open to the elements. If the building does need to be demolished, it is definitely a case of demolition by neglect. As for 2321 W. McMicken, I actually took a look at that building a few years ago when OTR Adopt had it and was trying to get rid of it. It had some pretty serious structural issues, and no MEP systems to speak of. I thought someone eventually did buy it off of them, but they must have not had enough money to fix it up. It needed well over $100k worth of work just to be occupiable.
June 2, 20169 yr Distillery-brewery coming to Over-the-Rhine http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/06/02/distillery-brewery-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html
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