June 2, 20169 yr I ask because that building was last bought in 1995 by "Fred Berger & Son" for $100k. Later that year, it transferred ($0 sale) to Mansfield Street Partners. http://wedge3.hcauditor.org/view/re/0960006002500/2015/transfers
June 2, 20169 yr Is David Berger (the owner of the distillery) related to Fred Berger? David is Fred's son.
June 2, 20169 yr Aaron lives nearby and will not let 1701 Race be demolished. Correct, but sometimes he needs a bit of a push to get things done.
June 3, 20169 yr For those wondering what the upcoming Terry Boling designed project will look like on the East side of the 1500 block of Race Street, here's a rendering.
June 3, 20169 yr Brick has started to go up on the ground floor of the Race Street Condos project. It's a dark grey and looks really good. I've always really enjoyed dark neutral brick and am happy to see it popping up on several projects in OTR. It will work well and compliment the dark grey/light grey combo of brick on the Terry Boling building that will rise across the street and the dark grey metal paneling of the Jose Garcia building currently under construction across the street.
June 3, 20169 yr I like this. It works well with the adjacent historic structures, I think because it is so purposefully unadorned yet with the correct scale. The complete absence of window sills and lintels is striking. I remember being surprised when applying for historic tax credits that the reviewers insisted that almost any new interior work, like fireplace mantles or balustrades that needed to be replaced or rebuilt, would be as clean and simple as possible. So simple tapered cylinders for stair spindles, the bare simplest newell posts, and fireplace mantles that even I could build with stock lumber. I'd originally thought that they'd want the most historically accurate recreations to match the original. Ever since then I've thought about the juxtaposition of the old and new a little differently, and I think there are similar principles that apply at the whole building scale.
June 3, 20169 yr One thing I really enjoy about this building is how the windows are detailed. The ground level windows are deeply recessed and have built in planters. There will be a metal surround that will encompass the masonry opening and stop flush with the brick face. The second story has the windows more or less flush with the brick face so that they're as close to in plane with the brick as possible. The third floor takes that brick surround detail and reverses it so the windows jut out from the building slightly. It's a nice sequences and gives each set of windows something unique to look at. And like you said, it is unadorned and not trying to recreate anything of old and isn't even trying to reinterpret old details in a modern way. It does its own thing while still being contextual due to massing and how it rests on the site. It will fit in fantastically without trying to be faux-old and isn't trying to go so over the top that it will date itself in 10 years. This will be a really solid addition to the streetscape and will offer a quality that others should try to match when doing new construction.
June 3, 20169 yr 21st Century Modern OTR. Is there any urban historic district with a large amount of 21st century inspired italianate.
June 8, 20169 yr Urban Sites has installed new (temporary?) signage on the various storefronts that they are renovating on Main Street. There's something called Camino Motor Company going in to 1212 Main (just north of Macaron Bar) but I can't really even tell what they do. Their website's about page is blank and their Instagram profile only says, "Stimulating passion and community through the love of motorcycles." Signage also went up for Cheapside at the corner of 12th & Main.
June 8, 20169 yr Yes, but all the rumors are pointing to an ice cream concept, not the same food as their first location.
June 8, 20169 yr buildingcincinnati[/member] just posted on Facebook: As a result of public hearings held on 4/29/16, the following buildings have been declared a public nuisance and are subject to demolition by governmental action: * 3216 W 8TH ST, East Price Hill * 1409 BEECH AV, West Price Hill * 588 BLAIR AV, Avondale * 704 N FRED SHUTTLESWORTH CIR, Avondale * 2321 W MCMICKEN AV, CUF * 1701 RACE ST, Over-the-Rhine * 3323 SPOKANE AV, Evanston * 1333 YARMOUTH AV, Bond Hill How in the world is 1701 Race subject to demolition? I stopped by 1701 Green St today: You can see how the rear (western most) portion of the roof appears to be completely missing:
June 8, 20169 yr buildingcincinnati[/member] just posted on Facebook: As a result of public hearings held on 4/29/16, the following buildings have been declared a public nuisance and are subject to demolition by governmental action: * 3216 W 8TH ST, East Price Hill * 1409 BEECH AV, West Price Hill * 588 BLAIR AV, Avondale * 704 N FRED SHUTTLESWORTH CIR, Avondale * 2321 W MCMICKEN AV, CUF * 1701 RACE ST, Over-the-Rhine * 3323 SPOKANE AV, Evanston * 1333 YARMOUTH AV, Bond Hill How in the world is 1701 Race subject to demolition? I stopped by 1701 Green St today: You can see how the rear (western most) portion of the roof appears to be completely missing: That portion of the roof was intentionally removed for a roof deck.
June 8, 20169 yr mcmicken[/member] - that's good to hear. I was worried about having the upper floors exposed to the elements.
June 8, 20169 yr mcmicken[/member] - that's good to hear. I was worried about having the upper floors exposed to the elements. That's not saying the deck is in place though, maybe they just stopped at the 'remove the roof part'. Ugh. Like making your BMW a convertible with a sawzall. :wtf: :wtf:
June 8, 20169 yr mcmicken[/member] - that's good to hear. I was worried about having the upper floors exposed to the elements. That's not saying the deck is in place though, maybe they just stopped at the 'remove the roof part'. Ugh. Like making your BMW a convertible with a sawzall. :wtf: :wtf: It's been years since I was up there so I don't know the current condition. It did have a roofing membrane down then.
June 11, 20169 yr Parvis Lofts are being converted to condos right now and they will go on the market later this month.
June 14, 20169 yr The owner bought the place in August. http://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0750004031300/2015/summary The address for the owner shows up as the Tax Place on Main? 1335 Main St.
June 14, 20169 yr ^ Just curious, was it a loud custom bike? When we were at the Dennison Hotel rally a few weeks back a dude on an big tired O.C.C type custom rolled by and purposely roared past us at a window rattling level that make people jump off the pavement and gave me a mini panic attack it was so loud and sudden. I figured it was probably someone non sympathetic to the cause, but a similar attitude it sounds to your crazy dude on a bike.
June 15, 20168 yr Popular downtown cafe opening 2nd location The owner of a popular downtown cafe is opening a second location in Over-the-Rhine. Cheapside Cafe at 326 E. Eighth St. downtown will soon have a sister location at 1200 Main St. in Over-the-Rhine called Cheapside Corner. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/06/14/popular-downtown-cafe-opening-2nd-location.html Cheapside Corner officially announced confirming that they will make and serve their own ice cream.
June 15, 20168 yr I still wonder what will eventually go into the old Mix space, that's a big space where a new bar or restaurant could go. With the Japps Annex closed I feel like it's made the other bars in that area a lot more crowded. Wouldn't mind another bar there though they could also use the street life a restaurant could bring.
June 15, 20168 yr There is a ton of space in Mr Pitiful's for weekend hipster dance parties, but I don't think people have quite discovered it yet.
June 15, 20168 yr With Cheapside Corner and Camino Motor Company they're filling out the open spaces nicely on the east side of Main. Still have that last space on corner of Main and 13th and a couple of open spaces on the west side of Main south of 13th. North of 13th has a number of shops on the west side of Main but plenty of open spaces on the east side. I imagine those spots will get a lot more in demand when the new Ziegler park is fully open.
June 15, 20168 yr That homeless shelter has to be moved on Main ST. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be "anti-homeless". But it's a pretty depressing picture when you see a pile of homeless men and women huddled together, sleeping on cardboard boxes, while right across the street people are spending money on drinks like it's candy. Also, there's alot of kids that walk along main st with there families, and I've consistently seen public indecency, in where there will be a drunk home less man, with his pants almost completely down, peeing along the wall. I'm not against the homeless, or homeless shelters. But seeing stuff like that, especially when there are families and small children involved, give a really bad impression for OTR. It's so situated on Main St especially, because the homeless huddle together there and wait for the shelter to open the following day. Alot of them are very kind people. Some of them are aggressive, especially when there drunk, but most of them are nice and don't bother anyone. That said, it sucks. Especially when there whipping out there junk in front of little kids to urinate.
June 17, 20168 yr Politico had a long essay on OTR posted yesterday, I haven't seen this posted on here anywhere yet: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/what-works-cincinnati-ohio-over-the-rhine-crime-neighborhood-turnaround-city-urban-revitalization-213969
June 24, 20168 yr I noticed Source 3 development, the project team for the Elm St (north of liberty) project has taken down all the renderings that were previously up for that block. I'm wondering if there being reworked. An, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe they have yet to get an approval from the HCB regardings there designs as well?
June 24, 20168 yr They've not presented any formal permit drawings. I assume they'll do that later this summer since I recall them wanting to start in the fall.
June 25, 20168 yr The original rendering looked so good IMO: Looks like Clifton's UPA 2.0 with an angled setback to me. Rework away.
June 25, 20168 yr Cincy by the Slice is officially closing there doors this weekend. This joins, Happy Belly on Vine, and Original Thoughts Required to close in the past month. It's a bit concerning, especially when you have 3 businesses all close within the same month. Is the rent simply increasing OTR, or is business slowing down in OTR? Or is it that cincy by the slice had an inferior product, and too much competition next door. I know Main St is scheduled to get a slew of new businesses within the next few months, but I still can't help but feel that the magic that has occurred on Vine St, is really not occurring on Main St for whatever reason. I feel that ultimately, that people who visit OTR are, "constricted" so to speak. The majority of people who visit OTR are families from the suburbs who come for dinner at Tafts Ale House, or The Eagle, and go home. I think that alot of families have this perception that OTR is essentially Washington Park, Music Hall, and Vine St. I think that most families don't really explore OTR, whether because they still feel a little uneasy about the general safety of OTR, or there is no reason (like say a major restaurant) for them to be on other streets like Main. I truly feel that the traffic is less on Main St because it simply doesn't have the retail presence that 3cdc has created with Vine St. Main St is bumping during the night time with it's bars, but is simply dead during the day time. The only retail shops you have consist of small knick-knack stores like a frame shop, or an art store. There's a cafe here and there, and the macron bar and park+ vine, but there's really no huge DRAW (like say The Eagle, or The Taft Ale house). Until we create a mini restaurant row on Main St, that's akin to Vine St, I feel like Main ST will always struggle with it's retail presence, and will always ultimately feel dead. Also, on another note, I really hate to wish anything ill will on a business, but every time I see that pizza shop, Venice on Vine (on the 1200 block of Vine ST), I can't help but wish it would go out of business. The pizza is incredibly mediocre, and the real estate is anything but. It's such a large building, and Venice on Vine is hardly taking advantage of the entire space. It's never really that crowded compared to the other Vine St restaurants, and the entire building could easily host 2, "Class A" quality restaurants as I like to call them, in that entire building space.
June 25, 20168 yr Venice on Vine is owned by a non-profit whose mission is to train people who are basically unemployable. They've also been there before anyone else, so I'd say they've earned their spot. Yes, the pizza is average, but their mission is important and possibly only sustainable now that their location happens to be the hottest in the city. http://pip-cincy.com/ "In September 2006, PIP moved to its current location at Venice on Vine. We were the first new restaurant/low skill employer on Vine Street in a decade."
June 25, 20168 yr Cincy by the Slice has always been slow so that's hardly surprising. The people there were friendly, but their product wasn't good and the bar itself was pretty uneventful and had nothing memorable about it. The moment Goodfella's moved in that sealed the deal for sure.
June 25, 20168 yr I agree with JYP. I'm not concerned about those specific spots closing or Main St. As mentioned, Original Thought Required closed for personal reasons and Cincy by the Slice was the worst, and a net positive that they're leaving so something else can take their spot. Urban Sites will have new restaurants in the old Mixx space and the building next door at 12th/Main. Once they finish with the upper floors of the three buildings across the street (Drinkery/Japps) there will be an influx of new office users to Main St. And they're finalizing the apartment spaces above where Camino, Allez, and Cheapside will be bringing more residents. This is in addition to the already mentioned Camino and Cheapside spot. A new bakery, Allez, will take be next to Macaron Bar. Collective is moving and expanding to the corner of Woodward/Main.
June 25, 20168 yr Here's another thing to keep in mind. Some of the storefronts on Main are so cheap right now that businesses aren't incentivized to actually be open very much. If you're only paying $300/month in rent, you can run your business as a hobby and don't have to actually hustle. With some of the newer businesses that are opening up, Urban Sites will be requiring (in their leases) that the businesses are open at least x hours per week. So businesses like The Takeaway (new deli from Collective Espresso owners), Camino, Allez, Cheapside Corner, and whatever restaurants goes into the old Mixx space, will be actually be open normal hours and activate the street in a way that some of the previous businesses did not.
June 25, 20168 yr Cincy by the Slice has always been slow so that's hardly surprising. The people there were friendly, but their product wasn't good and the bar itself was pretty uneventful and had nothing memorable about it. The moment Goodfella's moved in that sealed the deal for sure. Cincy by the Slice also has two other locations. They had to make a decision: do we want to up our game in OTR to compete with Goodfellas and Lucy Blue, or do we want to leave our OTR location and focus on their other two restaurants. They never seemed to have much success with either.
June 25, 20168 yr The original rendering looked so good IMO: Looks like Clifton's UPA 2.0 with an angled setback to me. Rework away. They can rework the design all they want...but unfortunately the next version is going to be one story shorter due to neighborhood NIMBYism.
June 26, 20168 yr My neighbor on Main bought his condo for $100k three years ago. He listed it last week for $167k and he already has an offer pending for $180k. So buyers in OTR are apparently outbidding each other and driving up the prices due to limited inventory. Correction! The sale finally posted to the Auditor's site at the price of $190k. So it sold for $23k above his asking price, and 190% of what he bought it for three years ago.
June 27, 20168 yr My neighbor on Main bought his condo for $100k three years ago. He listed it last week for $167k and he already has an offer pending for $180k. So buyers in OTR are apparently outbidding each other and driving up the prices due to limited inventory. Correction! The sale finally posted to the Auditor's site at the price of $190k. So it sold for $23k above his asking price, and 190% of what he bought it for three years ago. You likely know this, just to add to the discussion... some of it sorta depends on the strategy that your realtor and the seller aim for. Some realtors list lower so they can get into multiple offer type situations(or even maybe the agents are not familiar with OTR). Many realtors list high and do the step down approach(there are a lot more examples of this in OTR, some that still takes months to sell). I really thought that unit was priced too low, which is now obviously true. You still see way more multiple offer type situations outside of the core in some of the desirable east side suburbs. It's not all peaches though, I do know of a listing over in the race street area that didn't fair well when their owner tried to resell it. So It's still important to make sure you get the price and timing right. I'm also hearing about some buildings that were converted in the 90's and early 2000s that already have some major deferred maintenance, folks can still find deals in those buildings when units pop up.
June 27, 20168 yr ^ Yeah, since he was moving out of town, he wanted to sell the unit quickly, so he listed it for slightly less than a similar unit he saw in the neighborhood. Obviously that was below market value since I assume there was some sort of bidding war that drove it up $23k. I do think that Main Street has been undervalued while prices along Vine, Race, and Elm have continued to rise. With all of the changes happening on and around Main Street, I expect to see more big jumps in value like this one.
June 27, 20168 yr It's not all peaches though, I do know of a listing over in the race street area that didn't fair well when their owner tried to resell it. So It's still important to make sure you get the price and timing right. I'm assuming you're speaking of the unit that tried to resell at 1432 Race Street but was recently removed from the market. It was a limited service listing. The listing agent gets a smaller fee but does essentially nothing in return. That unit SHOULD have had absolutely no problem reselling (my unit in the same building was under contract in 3 days for just under ask which was WAY higher than I paid for it just two years ago) but they did the typical, "it'll sell itself!" ignorance which is why it didn't go well.
June 27, 20168 yr ^ Actually yes I was talking about that unit, ha! A few of us were wondering why the heck it didn't sell. ^ Yeah, since he was moving out of town, he wanted to sell the unit quickly, so he listed it for slightly less than a similar unit he saw in the neighborhood. Obviously that was below market value since I assume there was some sort of bidding war that drove it up $23k. I do think that Main Street has been undervalued while prices along Vine, Race, and Elm have continued to rise. With all of the changes happening on and around Main Street, I expect to see more big jumps in value like this one. I totally agree! Condos on Main are going to see a lot of huge jumps in values now that it's caught back up to the rest of the market. Exciting times!
June 27, 20168 yr Appreciating condo prices tend to not, in reality, help out a person's situation who relocates to a more expensive city or who simply "moves up" within their own market. Realizing a gain on one's first property makes a person think that they're good at spotting deals and areas that will appreciate quickly when really they were just lucky (if anyone reads the investment advice of Charlie Munger, he emphasizes this point over and over again). What's more, the capital gain realized from selling a primary residence increases the likelihood that a person will overbuy on their next purchase. You only really realize a true practical gain if you move to a less expensive city (i.e. LA to St. Louis or Vancouver to Saskatoon), own multiple properties in a market that have appreciated and can sell one or more without having to yourself move out of the area, or you move down within your own city -- which almost nobody does. A variation to the last example would be to move down from a single family home or condo into a multifamily paid for in full with gains from the single family.
June 28, 20168 yr 3 big projects were awarded historic tax credits in OTR: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2016/06/28/tax-credits-could-spur-89m-cincinnati-development/86426414/ Market Square II, Over-the-Rhine Project Cost - $17.9 million Tax Credit - $1.8 million Address - 1807-1830 Elm St., 127 Findlay St., and 1827 Logan St. Developer - Model Group Details - The Market Square II project includes 10 historic buildings and one new building to be constructed near Over-the-Rhine's Findlay Market. It is the second phase of a larger redevelopment effort by the Model Group and the buildings will include 55 apartments as well as 24,000 square feet of commercial space. The historic buildings will all be mixed-use with residential spaces above ground floor commercial spaces that will include office, restaurant and commercial tenants. Strietmann Biscuit Co. Building, Over-the-Rhine Project Cost - $12.3 million Tax Credit - $1.2 million Address - 223-235 W. 12th St. Developer - Grandin Properties Details - This building is the former home to the manufacturing and office facility for the Strietmann Biscuit Co. which made a variety of baked goods including biscuits, cookies, crackers, and pastries. The original building was built in 1899 with three subsequent additions in the early 20th century as the company expanded. After the company moved to a new facility in the 1940s, the building was home to a number of mixed uses and small businesses until it was vacated. Once rehabilitated, it will house office space for 10 to 15 businesses with first-floor space for restaurants. Up to 550 employees could work in the building. The project is expected to be completed by the end of 2017. The building will offer amenities such as the Penthaus Conference Center, a rooftop terrace, a small fitness center, bicycle storage and basement storage. Film Center Building, Over-the-Rhine Project Cost - $10.7 million Tax Credit - $1.1 million Address - 1632 Central Parkway Developer - Urban Sites Details - The vacant building is expected to be redeveloped floor into commercial space for office and restaurant tenants and the upper floors into 46 rental units with a mix of studio, one and two bedroom apartments.
June 28, 20168 yr Huge OTR office project lands $1.2M tax credit A nearly 90,000-square-foot office and retail redevelopment project in Over-the-Rhine landed a large tax credit to help with preserving the building. Grandin Properties, the Over-the-Rhine-based real estate development company, received a $1.2 million Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credit on Tuesday from the Ohio Development Services Agency. The tax credit will help the renovation of the former Strietmann Biscuit Co. Building, located at 221 W. 12th St. The renovation is expected to be a more than $12 million project. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/06/28/huge-otr-office-project-lands-1-2m-tax-credit.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 28, 20168 yr $10.7M Film Center project lands state help thanks to streetcar, bike lanes The Central Parkway bike lane and the Cincinnati streetcar were key catalysts for a $10.7 million mixed-use project at the former Warner Bros. Film Center, whose developer, Urban Sites, received state historic preservation tax credits on Tuesday. The project received $1,067,220 in historic tax credits from Ohio that it can add to its capital stack. With the tax credits, Urban Sites revealed the mixture of uses for the vacant, city-owned building at 1632 Central Parkway for the first time. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/06/28/10-7m-film-center-project-lands-state-help-thanks.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 28, 20168 yr The Market Square II project includes 10 historic buildings and one new building to be constructed near Over-the-Rhine's Findlay Market Any clue on which street this, "new building" will be at?
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