It's very interesting what you've brought up about the borders.  The neighborhood organization requires voting members to live between boal and liberty hill so I have no idea what the original basis for that is.

 

I can understand why the neighborhood organization would restrict voting.

 

But Prospect Hill is on the National Register of Historic Places which the City of Cincinnati, adopts:

 

Prospect Hill Historic District

 

Generally bounded by Liberty Street, Sycamore Avenue, Boal Street, Channing Street, and Highland Avenue (Mt. Auburn)

 

National Register of Historic Places -- Listed Sept. 4, 1980 (No. 80003078)

 

Agreed, which is why I find it all quite interesting.  I'd be curious to see more detail as "generally bounded" leaves some room for interpretation.

Liberty and Milton have about 150 historic homes on them, not 40.  The side streets probably add at least another 50, if not another 100.  Easily provable with a 30 second glance at Google Maps. 

 

The world of 1400 Sycamore is a crooked fun house. 

 

 

I think what is commonly overlooked is that liberty and Milton streets are quite long streets and for whatever reason are almost perfectly intact compared to say boal and ringgold. I'm not sure why that is.

 

I remember reading that boal and ringgold are part of the national historic district but not part of the local historic district hence the demolition that occurred. Hence they reason why the lower basin of prospect hill is protected.

Liberty and Milton have about 150 historic homes on them, not 40.  The side streets probably add at least another 50, if not another 100.  Easily provable with a 30 second glance at Google Maps. 

 

The world of 1400 Sycamore is a crooked fun house.

 

Jake, I think I schooled you on how to use the mapping tools on another forum, didn't I? As I recall you were not using either the Auditors site or Cagis. Not everything is about Google. But, apparently I did not consider your reading skills.

 

I said there were about 40 attractive houses on Milton and Liberty Hill. They are mostly all depicted in the slide show I linked. Maybe there are a couple more certainly not more than 50.

Since "attractive" is objectective and the same for everyone. :roll:

 

Pendelton is mainly tall brick tenement row houses. Far from attractive but captures a perfect old school feeling. Beauty is definitely a subjective term.

IDK, I like them all for what each one is and isn't. Variety good. Neighborhood vs. neighborhood spam posts bad.

 

So how about all that non-3CDC development in OTR? Pretty great we have so many cool neighborhoods to follow these days.

 

I agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But, I did count everything I saw that was generally period correct. I can accept that a two car garage facing the street and huge multi pane Anderson view windows can be loved by someone. Even in an historic district. I stand corrected.

 

I'd like to add a shout out to 3CDC, however, for buying the Short Market at Sycamore and Liberty. Someone had to do it. Glad they stepped up.

That's a pretty sizable lot to. I'm just curious if 3cdc is waiting for the road diet to occur first or not before developing plans for that lot.

That's a pretty sizable lot to. I'm just curious if 3cdc is waiting for the road diet to occur first or not before developing plans for that lot.

 

I doubt they have plans. I've checked on availability of that property a couple of times and only recently it came up for sale. The owner came up with a price in May or June I think and before I could think about it, 3CDC had it. I think it was spontaneous. I didn't really want it but it was a nuisance to the neighborhood and clearly valuable in the future.

 

I'd say they just want to control development and will sell it to the right proposal.

 

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I checked this.

 

The market closed pretty close to April 30, 2017 because that was the day I wrote Mr. Abdullah. He called a few days later and did not have a price. He came back in another couple days and his price was about $110,000 more than 3CDC actually paid him. It was sold 90 days later. That is why I think it was just spontaneous on the part of 3CDC.

 

For the benefit of the principals here, if you have a plan for that incredible corner, this would be the time to pitch it.

^plan should be for mixed use building; commercial street level and residential above. Parking available at the new garage under Cutter Playground. Nothing magic about this stuff, just need more of it.

3 unit condo building planned for 1437 Elm Street. What do we think? Goes before HCB Monday September 25th, Urban Conservator taking public comment until Mon. Sept 18th..

^ I like it. Very dimensional and interesting facade and unique response to the way to what im sure are setback rules without breaking the street front with full gaps with the neighboring buildings. It is smaller than the neighbors in floor height but i think that also helps it look better in that it stands on its own, especially with the windows on either sides being at different levels. those front room side windows are another cool detail making the usually forgoten or dull sides part of the design. It even has the look of a storefornt at the street though that may be used as a 'porch'. If this doesnt sail thru the review board and neighborhood criticism I'm entirely clueless on what would make them happy.

 

MORE infill like that please!

I live in the building to the south of this, and I agree, that design appears to be a great fit for the spot.

 

If the urban conservator is accepting public comment, does that mean they have published the designs somewhere that the public can access? Is there a place to see more prior to it being released in the HCB staff reports? (I'm curious not only about this project but others; if there are sources other than the HCB reports to see what is being reviewed).

wait, I thought a building had to have black brick, punched windows and no cornice to get any likes from people on this forum

wait, I thought a building had to have black brick, punched windows and no cornice to get any likes from people on this forum

 

I'm surprised that nobody understands that awful cornice is going to be made out of EIFS and look extremely cheap, nevermind the "1437" on it. 

I don't think I've ever seen the address put into the cornice of a building. It seems to always be the year of construction. I agree that's a bad idea.

 

Also, I'm not a fan of those center doors/windows. They look out of place. And I imagine people would much rather have the full width of the lot in their unit and remove those side windows.

3 unit condo building planned for 1437 Elm Street. What do we think? Goes before HCB Monday September 25th, Urban Conservator taking public comment until Mon. Sept 18th..

 

Disproportionate & top heavy. Floor to floor height is off, fenestration is all over the place.  Amazing to me this is getting strong endorsements.

 

FYI, EIFS is not a permissible material in OTR.

I agree, between the cornice and rails it looks too post-modern to me. Reminds me of the building at the corner of 14th and Vine. As usual it will all come down to quality of materials, but if that cornice is flat hardieboard or eifs, it will look very cheap.

Post-Modern?  My gut reaction was they recycled plans from Garfield Place Apartments.  https://goo.gl/maps/q9PNFa16UKG2

Which is also an ugly post-modern building. This is why I prefer to just do simple, modern infill and not try to imitate history. I agree with the comments above that "If this doesn't sail thru the review board and neighborhood criticism I'm entirely clueless on what would make them happy", but unfortunately I'm not sure that's a good bar. Faux historic architecture never looks good when built next to real historic architecture, look throughout Cincinnati or for the worst example look at the Campbell County Courthouse in Newport. There is a reason the Jose Garcia projects get praised here, they're simple and look good.

3 unit condo building planned for 1437 Elm Street. What do we think? Goes before HCB Monday September 25th, Urban Conservator taking public comment until Mon. Sept 18th..

 

Disproportionate & top heavy. Floor to floor height is off, fenestration is all over the place.  Amazing to me this is getting strong endorsements.

 

FYI, EIFS is not a permissible material in OTR.

 

I don't care for it either.

I have some quibbles about the design (the windows/balconies seem a bit odd)... but overall I'm just glad to see 3 units squeezed into this 20' wide lot. That's the scale that we need more of in OTR (in stark contrast to the <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/1437+Elm+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202/@39.1116916,-84.5190041,3a,75y,262.96h,91.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spU7mISCvHqRJoHY7XLwvbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x8841b3fe50d8bfe9:0xd6aba14cb2e600b0!2s1437+Elm+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45202!3b1!8m2!3d39.111196!4d-84.519101!3m4!1s0x8841b3fe50d8bfe9:0xd6aba14cb2e600b0!8m2!3d39.111196!4d-84.519101">too wide, too short townhomes</a> in the block north).

It's a bubble letter T. Hideous.

The latest HCB packet is out. An absolutely gorgeous Second Empire home on Dayton Street is being rehabbed, as is a building on E. Clifton (7 units). Good stuff.

 

http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/september-11-2017-staff-report-and-attachments/

Work going on in former Mixx Ultra Lounge and Cincy By The Slice spaces:

 

The Cincy By The Slice space was just open as some type of bar a week or two ago.  The Mix one I feel like they've been doing work for months. 

I live in the building to the south of this, and I agree, that design appears to be a great fit for the spot.

 

If the urban conservator is accepting public comment, does that mean they have published the designs somewhere that the public can access? Is there a place to see more prior to it being released in the HCB staff reports? (I'm curious not only about this project but others; if there are sources other than the HCB reports to see what is being reviewed).

 

Notice to addresses within, I think, 200 ft get notice by mail about a project. If not, you can request plans from the Urban Conservator [email protected] - I've attached the schedule through the end of the year.

 

I'm thinking about starting a new thread dedicated to debating proposed new construction OTR as it comes through the HCB process, good idea? I think it should be different than this thread as it will pertain to defined projects with known time lines vs hypothetical conversation.

I am going to post Historic Conservation Board applications for new construction projects in OTR as they are submitted. This topic will be dedicated to discussing the architectural merits of the project as they relate to the OTR New Construction guidelines, http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/local-conservation-guidelines/over-the-rhine-historic-district/ For anyone wishing to make their thoughts public record, you can write to Beth Johnson, Urban Conservator at [email protected].

1626-28 Pleasant Street. Single-family home on two vacant lots just south of Green Street. HCB date: 9/25.17.

 

 

Really interesting that pleasant street north of liberty is experiencing all this development. There's literally been infill project after infill project announced in the span of a few months.

 

It's interesting because north of Liberty is still infested with crime yet I'm sure the developers are seeing an emerging market appear.

 

It's quite interesting to say the least especially when other side streets like republic,  Dunlap, etc. are not seeing the same level of activity.

Really interesting that pleasant street north of liberty is experiencing all this development. There's literally been infill project after infill project announced in the span of a few months.

 

It's interesting because north of Liberty is still infested with crime yet I'm sure the developers are seeing an emerging market appear.

 

It's quite interesting to say the least especially when other side streets like republic,  Dunlap, etc. are not seeing the same level of activity.

 

Its all city-owned/3cdc controlled land being sold below market rate to owner-occupied homeowners designed by Platte, every one.

^Sounds good.

Matt; I think a thread on new construction in OTR would be great.

Matt; I think a thread on new construction in OTR would be great.

 

Cool, here it is: Topic: Cincinnati: Over-the-Rhine: New Construction HCB application

This would be the first residential garage door facing Pleasant Street.  bleh

1626-28 Pleasant Street. Single-family home on two vacant lots just south of Green Street. HCB date: 9/25.17.

 

I don't see the 9/25 packet posted yet: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/

 

Where are these details about 1626 Pleasant St coming from?

 

Historic German street names will return from what I understand coming on Thursday, "Historic" announcement.

 

Not sure if this means that streets like Republic will return fully and permanenty back to Bremen st. or not..or if there will be a sign underneath saying formally Bremen st, etc.

I wonder if the city-haters will complain about the loss of "American" street names like Republic...

 

Historic German street names will return from what I understand coming on Thursday, "Historic" announcement.

 

Not sure if this means that streets like Republic will return fully and permanenty back to Bremen st. or not..or if there will be a sign underneath saying formally Bremen st, etc.

 

3 streets official names back to their German names.  Stonewall to Hamburg, Yukon to Hanover, Woodrow to Berlin.

7 streets will receive honorary names (with official signage at intersections) of their original German names, the most prominent one being Republic/Bremen.

Is anyone in the know in regards to what is occurring at 1408 walnut? It's the large gap behind the Kroger on walnut. Building supplies are being piled on that lot. Not sure what is going on?

Is anyone in the know in regards to what is occurring at 1408 walnut? It's the large gap behind the Kroger on walnut. Building supplies are being piled on that lot. Not sure what is going on?

 

I do believe that the stuff on that lot is building material for the Empower building on 14th.

Liberty & Elm (Freeport Row) is another project that received final approval back in May and nothing has taken place at the site since then. There was that big controversy at the last minute and nothing since.

The Taste of Belgium OTR building was repainted earlier this year, and two other buildings on Vine (the Mica 12/v building and the Senate building) are currently being repainted. This was the first block that 3CDC fixed up about 10 years ago, and the paint was starting to get pretty faded on these buildings. So it's nice to see that these buildings are already being freshened up.

Same colors? That stretch has a really nice collection of color schemes. It would be a shame to see that altered (unless it's for the better of course).

Former Boca chef opening Korean fried chicken restaurant: EXCLUSIVE - Cincinnati Business Courier

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/18/exclusive-former-boca-chef-opening-korean-fried.html?ana=RSS%26s=article_search

 

Really cool development. The vacant furniture building in Findlay market will turn into a multi level food stalls and dining area. Awesome addition!

Love that idea.  Knew once that building went up for sale it would turn into something great for that area.  It's in such a prime location and has great potential. 

​Cincinnati's ‘Execulofts’ will cater to short-term stays, suburban executives

 

Tim Haines, the owner of the Mowhawk Building on Central Parkway, has a house in Butler County but spends much of his work life – sometimes with long hours – in the city with a third of his time on the road.

 

“I don’t feel like driving home every night,” Haines said, adding that he doesn’t care for the amenities offered in long-term hotels with suites.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/19/cincinnatis-execulofts-will-cater-to-short-term.html