1 minute ago, taestell said:

I was surprised in the Business Courier article that 3CDC emphasized the DCI money will only be spent in Downtown, and did not mention the possibility of extending the district or enacting a separate district for OTR.

 

3CDC was probably just making sure that it was reported to the building owners downtown that their fees wouldn't cover 3CDC operations or OTR.  I would have hoped that the Business Courier would have pressed them with those types of follow-up questions, but maybe they were asked and not answered (or presented as "off the record" to the Business Courier for now).

So how does this merger benefit the city? Just generally curious...

Probably just cost savings of combining all the back office stuff as well as making coordination better between the two.

1 hour ago, troeros said:

So how does this merger benefit the city? Just generally curious...

 

There is a ton of overlap between what these two organizations do, so it makes sense for them to merge and save some money on administration, while having more money to spend on programs that actually benefit the urban core. These days, DCI is seen as "marketing downtown" and 3CDC is seen as "developing and marketing OTR" but both organizations have a lot of overlap. DCI sells Downtown Gift Cards that can be used in a lot of places in OTR. 3CDC manages Fountain Square and is doing several large developments downtown right now. Maybe this combined organization will do a better job of promoting Cincy tourism in other cities.

I moved all of the discussion about Bakersfield and "local chains" to the Cincinnati Restaurants thread.

23 hours ago, taestell said:

 

Maybe this combined organization will do a better job of promoting Cincy tourism in other cities.

Isn't the the CVB's focus?

You're probably right, but I'm pretty sure I remember DCI ads promoting Downtown, maybe local radio ads? I guess CVB handles all of the out-of-town tourism promotion. However, considering that the CVB's website still has a news headline of "The Streetcar Has Arrived" ... I don't have much faith in them either.

I've noticed that the green weilert (sp?) Building has fencing around it's enterance and a dumpster....I can't tell if it's just stabilization work or if 3cdc is finally beginning to rennovate. 

This is kind of a random thought, but I find it truly strange by the lack of bicycle shops in OTR/CBD. They are all over montgomery, kenwood, loveland... But in the urban core nada.

 

That's kind of mind-blowing no?

Reser had a satellite store on Vine but the rent made it unfeasible. Does the shop in Gateway sell or work on regular bikes or just ebikes and segways?

The Garage OTR is a full service bike mechanic that I’ve used to work on my regular bike  

 http://thegarageotr.com/

Edited December 24, 20186 yr by thebillshark

Bicycle Stores clearly make sense in the urban core. Bicycles for a large part don't make sense in suburban communities, unless we are considering the loveland bike trail.

 

That said, Montgomery Cyclery has 3 suburban locations; West Chester, Loveland, and Montgomery. Are the lack of bicycle shops more to do with wealth inequality? When you go to these suburban bicycle shops its typically older white men/women who are typically wealthy (or upper middle class). Are the lack of bicycle retail stores in the urban core due to lack of white older wealthy people? I'm just trying to connect the dots.

 

You think about our urban core, and admire how much has progressed in the past 10 years. But then you stop and realize how our urban core still doesn't match even 3/4th of the amenties that the suburbs offer, and then you begin to realize why so many still live in the suburbs. 

 

Go down a strip mall in kenwood/or montgomery, you see a dry cleaners, next to a Verizon store, next to a starbucks, next to a half price book store, next to a LA Fitness, next to a Panera, next to a bicycle shop, next to a Dodds Camera store, next to a Traders Joe, next to Larosa's Pizza, next to a Fedex Office store, etc, etc...

 

Someone on reddit who just recently moved to OTR asked about gyms in downtown cincy that are 24/7...We don't have any. Someone asked on reddit where there is a 24/7 spot for food in downtown cincy who was visiting for a bengals game last week....the suggestions were uptown McDonalds and the Waffle House in Clifton.

 

I can't name any block in downtown cincy or OTR for that matter that offers that many amenities. Go to any big city and this suburban model is copy/pasted into the cities fabric. We need this in Cincy if we are trying to regrow our city. I'm not even going to touch the 3 headed dragon about how poor public schools are in cincy...

 

I guess my whole rant is this; You see this beautiful Architecture that OTR/CBD has. You see the amazing restaurants and bars and night life entertainment options that our city has to offer. But as far as amenities go our city is still severely lacking, and this is ultimately a big hindrance to our growth. I'm not sure if 3cdc can do anything to address this, but I hope as OTR continues to be built out, this growth will spur these amenities as more and more millennials move into the city. 

There's so many sub-generes of bicycle shop; it's staggering. It's always been like that too. When I was into BMX as a kid I couldn't believe how different each shop around Columbus was as far as product line, their main focus, decor and the overall feel of the shop.

6 hours ago, troeros said:

Go down a strip mall in kenwood/or montgomery, you see a dry cleaners, next to a Verizon store, next to a starbucks, next to a half price book store, next to a LA Fitness, next to a Panera, next to a bicycle shop, next to a Dodds Camera store, next to a Traders Joe, next to Larosa's Pizza, next to a Fedex Office store, etc, etc...

 

I know what you are saying, and I also realize your list was meant to be just an example. But for me those types of stores either exist in downtown (or they have good substitutes) -- and I can walk to them, or I can't recall the last time I wanted to use one of those types of stores. I mean, I'm pushing 60 years old, but do millennials even use dry cleaners? Wouldn't they prefer a good and reliable pickup/dropoff laundry service if they did? For me, combining the new downtown Kroger with something like a downtown Target would get me to 90%.

 

 

Campus Cyclery has been in the same location in Clifton Heights since maybe 1975. 

Everytime there's a "OTR Shooting" article on WCPO/Enquirer there are always 2 type of people commenting;

 

There is the person that still advocates for the neighborhood, and acknowledges that crime can happen anywhere. 

 

Then there is the person who screams, "Ghetto!" and persistently bashes the progress and the neighborhood and goes on to explain why they will never step foot into OTR.

1 hour ago, troeros said:

Everytime there's a "OTR Shooting" article on WCPO/Enquirer there are always 2 type of people commenting;

 

There is the person that still advocates for the neighborhood, and acknowledges that crime can happen anywhere. 

 

Then there is the person who screams, "Ghetto!" and persistently bashes the progress and the neighborhood and goes on to explain why they will never step foot into OTR.

I think a lot of the parts of OTR that are not changing as quickly are where 99% of these shooting are occurring. In due time things will change. All of OTR south of Liberty I always feels safe walking. Once I get North of Liberty with the exception of right around Findlay Market I do not feel as safe ( more so meaning if it was later in the evening as opposed to 3pm). A lot of ppl don’t realize that at 15 years or so ago none of OTR was safe

11 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

I think a lot of the parts of OTR that are not changing as quickly are where 99% of these shooting are occurring. In due time things will change. All of OTR south of Liberty I always feels safe walking. Once I get North of Liberty with the exception of right around Findlay Market I do not feel as safe ( more so meaning if it was later in the evening as opposed to 3pm). A lot of ppl don’t realize that at 15 years or so ago none of OTR was safe

 

Yes, I believe there has been only one shooting south of liberty street in 2018 on Moore St next to Mecca back in May. 

 

Even then, that part of south of liberty is still rough because of the lack of movement from the Wade's with there Walnut Street buildings.

 

But obviously that area is already changing with the 3cdc Meiner project and the future Kroger site project.

 

Still, I get otr is not 100 percent safe. I get that there are alot of criminals who still abide there, and still alot of very rough poverty in certain stretches of north of liberty. 

 

That said, by denying otr completely, you are denying so much of what Cincy has to offer. Its just a shame about some people's mentalities I guess.

 

Edited December 26, 20186 yr by troeros

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

Yes, I believe there has been only one shooting south of liberty street in 2018 on Moore St next to Mecca back in May. 

 

Even then, that part of south of liberty is still rough because of the lack of movement from the Wade's with there Walnut Street buildings.

 

But obviously that area is already changing with the 3cdc Meiner project and the future Kroger site project.

 

Still, I get otr is not 100 percent safe. I get that there are alot of criminals who still abide there, and still alot of very rough poverty in certain stretches of north of liberty. 

 

That said, by denying otr completely, you are denying so much of what Cincy has to offer. Its just a shame about some people's mentalities I guess.

 

It just sucks to have people bash OTR. It’s my favorite part of the city and when ppl visit the city that’s where you want to take them to experience cincinnati. I wouldn’t take anyone up to anywhere say Mason or West Chester (unless it was Ikea). 

The second phase of the Allison condos is now on the market.  This is the new building that forms the NE corner of 15th & Pleasant.  All of them appear to be priced very close to $300k or higher. 

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1606124/116-W-Fifteenth-St-301-Cincinnati-OH-45202

Tagolia will take over the Lacheys Spot. Same ownership group as A Tavola in OTR, and second location for Tagolia (1st location is in Columbia Tuscolum and is very highly regarded). There will be carry out and delivery offered and will operate till 2am to serve late night bar crowds.

 

This marks the 7th pizza location for OTR.

More on that:

 

Taglio Pizza taking over Lachey's Bar space

 

A second Taglio Pizza is coming to Over-the-Rhine. It is expected to open in the old Lachey's Bar space in the spring. 

Taglio is the second pizza concept from the owners of A Tavola Trattoria. A Tavola serves thin-crusted wood-fired Neapolitan pizza and other Italian classics in two locations, Over-the-Rhine and Madeira. But when owners Jared and Nick Wayne and Jake Goodwin opened Taglio in Columbia Tusculum, they specialized in traditionally American-style pizza and thick-crusted Detroit-style, well-suited to take-out and delivery.

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2019/01/03/taglio-american-pizza-tavola-owners-opening-lacheys-space/2472899002/

Edited January 3, 20196 yr by BigDipper 80

1 hour ago, troeros said:

Tagolia will take over the Lacheys Spot. Same ownership group as A Tavola in OTR, and second location for Tagolia (1st location is in Columbia Tuscolum and is very highly regarded). There will be carry out and delivery offered and will operate till 2am to serve late night bar crowds.

 

This marks the 7th pizza location for OTR.

 

Lucy Blue's 

Goodfellas

A Tavola

Taglio

Venice on Vine

Place up near Rhinegheist 

Harvest

 

If you count Taste of Belgium in Findlay Market, (they sell pizza by the slice) that's 8. 

Yeah, I think OTR is really good on pizza places. I wish a Skyline would have gone into the Lachey's space. 

2 minutes ago, edale said:

Yeah, I think OTR is really good on pizza places. I wish a Skyline would have gone into the Lachey's space. 

 

I think the most likely future location for a Skyline in OTR will be in the West End close to the actual FCC Stadium.

I've been wanting to get to Taglio since they opened.  Their Detroit style pizza looks awesome.  Great to hear they're opening a spot closer to downtown and will be delivering as well as being open late night.  I think they'll do very well in that spot.  I really like how we've now got some restaurants in the Main St area that was previously only bars.  

13 hours ago, thomasbw said:

 

Lucy Blue's 

Goodfellas

A Tavola

Taglio

Venice on Vine

Place up near Rhinegheist 

Harvest

 

If you count Taste of Belgium in Findlay Market, (they sell pizza by the slice) that's 8. 

 

But how many of those places deliver?  I think harvest is on uber eats but as the parent of an infant I'll happily take another pizza place that delivers.

We need a Thai or Vietnamese restaurant

6 minutes ago, JoeHarmon said:

We need a Thai or Vietnamese restaurant

And more Italian places.

Yeah I would definitely like to see more Asian places in OTR.  Thunderdome is opening an Italian place thankfully but I'd be happy if others were added as well.  

42 minutes ago, Traveler Joe said:

 

But how many of those places deliver?  I think harvest is on uber eats but as the parent of an infant I'll happily take another pizza place that delivers.

 

This. Downtown delivery options are actually pretty limited. I don't mind walking up to Goodfella's to grab a pizza but sometimes you just want someone to bring the pizza to you. Downtown you can do crappy Papa John's or Domino's, or you can have Donato's in Bellevue deliver across the river. The Larosa's in Queensgate is the absolute WORST and no one should ever order from there. 

3 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

This. Downtown delivery options are actually pretty limited. I don't mind walking up to Goodfella's to grab a pizza but sometimes you just want someone to bring the pizza to you. Downtown you can do crappy Papa John's or Domino's, or you can have Donato's in Bellevue deliver across the river. The Larosa's in Queensgate is the absolute WORST and no one should ever order from there. 

 

Luckily my Larosas delivery comes from the Clifton location.  Other than the things you mention you can get zablong and midici on uber eats.  Its for this reason that I think Taglio could do really really well.

1 hour ago, Traveler Joe said:

 

Luckily my Larosas delivery comes from the Clifton location.  Other than the things you mention you can get zablong and midici on uber eats.  Its for this reason that I think Taglio could do really really well.

 

I wish my Larosa's came from the Clifton location. I forgot about Zablong and Midici. I didn't know they were on Uber Eats though. I really like Zablong but I was not impressed with Midici. I saw that it is under new management now though. 

I believe Mikey late nite slice delivers.

I continually wonder about that small structure on east 12th that intersects with Walnut St.

 

I know coffee Emporium roasting facility is there, but I wonder if 3cdc could help them find a new location and redeveloped that corner with something much taller and denser...

3 hours ago, troeros said:

I continually wonder about that small structure on east 12th that intersects with Walnut St.

 

I know coffee Emporium roasting facility is there, but I wonder if 3cdc could help them find a new location and redeveloped that corner with something much taller and denser...

Money and time is better spend on developing parking lots instead of paying to move active businesses. 

1 hour ago, mcmicken said:

Money and time is better spend on developing parking lots instead of paying to move active businesses. 

 

Does 3cdc not collect profits by leasing commercial spaces and collecting rent/sales from condos? 

 

Judging by the size of that corner building and it's lot it could house a rather large infill project and allow for 3cdc to expand there commercial and residential portfolio.

8 hours ago, troeros said:

 

Does 3cdc not collect profits by leasing commercial spaces and collecting rent/sales from condos? 

 

Judging by the size of that corner building and it's lot it could house a rather large infill project and allow for 3cdc to expand there commercial and residential portfolio.

 

The parking lot right next to it, the parking lot at 12th and Vine and the entire Davis Furniture/Salvation Army block are all better candidates for redevelopment first.

10 hours ago, troeros said:

 

Does 3cdc not collect profits by leasing commercial spaces and collecting rent/sales from condos? 

 

Judging by the size of that corner building and it's lot it could house a rather large infill project and allow for 3cdc to expand there commercial and residential portfolio.

Of course, however there are lower hanging fruit to pick than paying to move a long time neighborhood business that would be tough to put in a mixed use development (due to the smoke/smells of the coffee roasting).

Coffee roasting smells amazing tho.

2 hours ago, Yves Behar said:

Coffee roasting smells amazing tho.

 

No, not it doesn't.  It's up there with burnt popcorn.  We get whiffs of it around 3:00 if we leave the windows open. 

Does anyone know how much the proposed tax increase will be for property owners in OTR for the SID that 3CDC is proposing?  Also, what are the proposed boundaries?

Other than rumors posted here, I have not seen any evidence that 3CDC is planning to create as SID for OTR. 3CDC did acquire DCI which is funded by the SID for the CBD, but they have pledged to continue spending all of the DCI money Downtown and not in OTR. They have not said a word about expanding the DCI SID into OTR or creating a new SID for OTR.

3CDC representatives have brought it up at several recent meetings. Maybe it is still in the exploratory stage and I am getting ahead of myself.

Hmmm...I was not aware of this. Which meetings are you referring to? Community Council? Or does 3CDC have regular meetings that are open to the public?

New plan filed to resolve Washington Park parking garage dispute

 

 

A new ordinance was filed Thursday attempting to resolve the major, months-long dispute over parking in the Washington Park garage in Over-the-Rhine.

 

Under the ordinance, developer Grandin Co. would give up 20 spaces it controls in Washington Park. In exchange the city would grant its request for 200 spaces in the Town Center Garage for new tenants that want to lease office space in the company’s Strietmann Center at 235 12th St.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/10/new-plan-filed-to-resolve-washington-park-parking.html

Jesus look at all that parking.

This silliness is just cover for whatever big plan our benevolent dictators have planned for us. 

That northwest corner of downtown/southwest corner of OTR is by far the easiest and cheapest place to park in the basin. Within about a 5 to 10 minute walk you can actually find plentiful free street parking - something that can't be said for much of downtown.

So ... does this mean the Towne Center garage is going to be there in a deteriorating state for the foreseeable future?