June 18, 20195 yr Basically every other large US city has residential parking permits like OTR's in their urban neighborhoods. Why should we be different and cater to the visitors to the neighborhood and not the residents who actually live there?
June 18, 20195 yr 22 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: The Jackson St. building is literally surrounded by a parking lot. There is a 300+ space parking garage 50 feet to the south. So somebody is putting these people up to complain about parking. The area right around Jackson St. is still all regular meters- https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/assets/File/OtherMaps/OTR_Parking_Permit_Area_Map.pdf
June 18, 20195 yr 12 hours ago, 10albersa said: i just don't get the logic behind letting residents park in the street. The whole point of living in a walkable neighborhood is to walk or use public transportation.
June 18, 20195 yr A business that just sells pretzels isn't exactly a new thing, you know. Didn't Aunt Annie's just open up in the Carew Tower a few months ago? That's a business that only sells pretzels...guess someone should tell their CEO that they're doomed, as businesses that only sell pretzels suck. Come on, guys. No need to disparage an out of market business that took a chance on OTR when it was more risky to do so just because they're closing. I enjoyed having them in OTR, and I thought their pretzels were pretty good. They're from Columbus, I think, and I'm glad they operated in OTR as long as they did. I don't think the slow down in OTR (perceived or real) can just be attributed to slow growth in the city. It shouldn't be, at least. A city doesn't need to be growing overall for its premier neighborhood to be booming. Look at the growth occurring in Downtown and Midtown Detroit, center city Chicago, Ohio City Cleveland, ...any number of neighborhoods in Pittsburgh. All of those cities have been losing population at the city level, and Pittsburgh and Cleveland have been shrinking at the regional level, too. I think some of the slow down might just be timing. If the large infill projects in Pendleton and Elm and Liberty were happening, I don't think this discussion would be happening. As far as I've heard, those projects are still moving forward, they just aren't in the construction phase yet. There is the Columbia building on Walnut, the new office rehabs occurring near the old Kroger, the office project fronting Race and Pleasant, and I'm sure a smattering of other non-3CDC work underway throughout the neighborhood. Plus, as has already been mentioned, the Findlay Market area appears to still be booming with projects, as Model works to complete their Market Square projects. I don't think the OTR market has slowed. Rather, it's a symptom of having so much redevelopment tied to one organization that is currently a bit distracted with large projects downtown (convention hotel, Macy's redevelopment, new Kroger+apartments, Court Street rehabs, etc.) Edited June 18, 20195 yr by edale
June 18, 20195 yr 57 minutes ago, edale said: A business that just sells pretzels isn't exactly a new thing, you know. Didn't Aunt Annie's just open up in the Carew Tower a few months ago? That's a business that only sells pretzels...guess someone should tell their CEO that they're doomed, as businesses that only sell pretzels suck. Come on, guys. No need to disparage an out of market business that took a chance on OTR when it was more risky to do so just because they're closing. I enjoyed having them in OTR, and I thought their pretzels were pretty good. They're from Columbus, I think, and I'm glad they operated in OTR as long as they did. I don't think anyone is hating on them. Just pointing out that it is hard to sustain a brick and mortar storefront that only sells pretzels. There is a reason that Auntie Anne's operates out of small store fronts in malls. It's cheaper than having a free-standing location. Quote I don't think the slow down in OTR (perceived or real) can just be attributed to slow growth in the city. According to the building permit data there is no slow down. If anything there was a slowdown last year and it has picked up again this year. OTR is still booming.
June 18, 20195 yr The barber at 1339 Walnut St. is ill and has closed his shop. This is the same shop that moved 1-2 years ago from the 1132 Bar building at 12th & Race. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1107138,-84.5137369,3a,71.3y,274.85h,83.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdAvK8grZgzZftB0x8hG3rg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
June 19, 20195 yr From the latest HCB Packet, there are details and renders for the proposed OTR Still House at 1814 Central Parkway: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/june-17-2019-staff-report-and-attachments/ https://www.otrstillhouse.com/ https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/18/new-distillery-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html The design shows a stage and "green room", which seems to suggest they'll be making concerts/events a big part of the business. The stage is situated such that it could be used for indoor concerts or outdoor (a large garage door opens up on to a large turf open space.
June 19, 20195 yr The OTR stillhouse looks awesome and along with the Somerset place on McMicken those are two really large destination type spaces with lots of outdoor seating that look great. It’s interesting to see the scale of the Northern Liberties spaces compared to the first wave of OTR bars and restaurants which were all much smaller. This is probably another reason the brewery distric has been slower to develop since the buildings and lots are larger the threshold for entry is higher. The topography of the stillhouse is interesting too, because sitting next to cars flying by on central parkway doesn’t sound fun, but because you are a level below the street it should be much quieter and more intimate than the light industrial location would seem on a map (and you won’t be staring at the dollar store). Hopefully there is an entrance from the Henry street side as well so it’s easier to walk there from the streetcar stop and rhinegeist, but it doesn’t look like it.
June 19, 20195 yr I hadn't heard any updates on that project in a long time, and I assumed it wasn't happening anymore. Glad to see it's still moving forward.
June 19, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Hopefully there is an entrance from the Henry street side as well so it’s easier to walk there from the streetcar stop and rhinegeist, but it doesn’t look like it. That's a good point. Without an entrance from Henry Street they are essentially turning their back on OTR. It would be very short walk from the streetcar or Rhinegeist down Henry Street to get to there, but if the only entrance is on Central Parkway, it's a much longer and more circuitous walk.
June 19, 20195 yr The HCB packet specifically stated that they'd be putting a sign up on Branch St and the plans show gates in the fencing along that side... so it seems like they do expect Henry St to serve as an entrance. From page 70 of the packet: Quote The project will be attracting customers from both the Central Parkway side as well as the Over-the-Rhine side. Therefore, making the request for a sign along the Henry/Branch Street side of the property appropriate as long as it is contextual with that permitted with adjacent property owners. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by jwulsin
June 19, 20195 yr The City has issued a few RFPs for properties around the Pleasant/Green intersection: https://data.cincinnati-oh.gov/Fiscal-Sustainability-Strategic-Investment/Business-Opportunities-5-10-2018-to-Present/b397-t996/data 1623 Pleasant St (vacant 3-story building, approx 3,200 sq ft) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/9jko0zuok4ht4dy/RFP723CEDPLEASANT1623.pdf?dl=0 1626-1628 Pleasant St (40x85 vacant land): https://www.dropbox.com/s/u02dvxoq5jg0f33/RFP724CEDPLEASANT1626.pdf?dl=0 127 Green St (20x60 vacant land): https://www.dropbox.com/s/kat45rkzf2vn6ns/RFP728CEDGREEN.pdf?dl=0
June 20, 20195 yr 3CDC pulls CityBeat’s boxes from street; newspaper exploring legal action The Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. is removing CityBeat newspaper boxes from sidewalks in downtown and Over-the-Rhine, a move the weekly newspaper said could result in legal action on First Amendment grounds. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/19/3cdc-pulls-citybeat-s-boxes-from-street-newspaper.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 20, 20195 yr Just as I was saying there was a lull a storm hits... 1617 Race St - 4 story Mixed Use 1600 - 1602 Pleasant St - 5 story Mixed Use 1521 - 1525 Vine St - 5 story Mixed use (new 3cdc project?) 1512 - 1520 Republic - 4 story Mixed Use 114 W 14th St - Rennovation plus Adjacent infill addition. Couple of notes...Density galore and mixed use structures galore.
June 20, 20195 yr Where are you seeing these? 20 minutes ago, troeros said: Just as I was saying there was a lull a storm hits... 1617 Race St - 4 story Mixed Use 1600 - 1602 Pleasant St - 5 story Mixed Use 1521 - 1525 Vine St - 5 story Mixed use (new 3cdc project?) 1512 - 1520 Republic - 4 story Mixed Use 114 W 14th St - Rennovation plus Adjacent infill addition. Couple of notes...Density galore and mixed use structures galore. Where did you find these?
June 20, 20195 yr I think the first four are the 3CDC affordable infill projects announced earlier this year. https://www.citybeat.com/news/blog/21066972/city-of-cincinnati-taps-overtherhine-for-30-million-in-federal-affordable-housing-funds “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
June 24, 20195 yr City tells 3CDC to quit removing CityBeat’s boxes; organization plans to put them back The Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. does not have the authority to remove CityBeat’s newspaper boxes from the streets of downtown and Over-the-Rhine, according to a memo from the city’s top lawyer to a city council member. 3CDC is already putting back the boxes it has removed, which CityBeatestimated at about 10, and is working on maintenance and appearance issues with the free weekly newspaper, according to a spokesman. The city also told 3CDC to stop removing the boxes after news first broke last week, according to an email from Paula Boggs Muething, the city solicitor, to Councilman David Mann. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/24/city-tells-3cdc-to-quit-removing-citybeat-s-boxes.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 25, 20195 yr Apparently a proposal went before the OTRCC yesterday that would involve "privatizing" this pocket park on Vine Street and making it into a restaurant space. Of course OTRCC voted to oppose it. I don't know much about what exactly was proposed other than a few vague tweets that I saw. Does anybody have more information?
June 25, 20195 yr 16 minutes ago, taestell said: Apparently a proposal went before the OTRCC yesterday that would involve "privatizing" this pocket park on Vine Street and making it into a restaurant space. Of course OTRCC voted to oppose it. I don't know much about what exactly was proposed other than a few vague tweets that I saw. Does anybody have more information? Aka “Imagination Alley.” During my time there the idea was only to use a portion of it for outdoor dining for Panino. The restaurant could then perhaps help fund the maintenance of the space, for which the cash-strapped CRC is responsible for. Seemed totally reasonable and I strongly disagreed with OTRCC’s opposition it. Don’t know the details of the current plan. Edited June 25, 20195 yr by thebillshark www.cincinnatiideas.com
June 25, 20195 yr There was a carry out Indian restaurant in OTR!? I don't even remember hearing about it. "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
June 25, 20195 yr 33 minutes ago, troeros said: Another OTR business has shut down. This time Indian carry out resturaunt "Injoy". What?! I loved that place, this is the first one that hits home. Bottle and Basket closed in the same location so I wonder if that space is just too off the beaten path (even though it's across the street from Salazar) or if the rent is too high. Edited June 25, 20195 yr by ucgrady
June 25, 20195 yr 44 minutes ago, troeros said: Another OTR business has shut down. This time Indian carry out resturaunt "Injoy". That location was tough for a place with no alcohol and basically no seating. It was basically a walk up window paying for a full brick and mortar space. It would've done a lot better on Main Street. I loved it but was always surprised that it was still open.
June 25, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, ucgrady said: What?! I loved that place, this is the first one that hits home. Bottle and Basket closed in the same location so I wonder if that space is just too off the beaten path (even though it's across the street from Salazar) or if the rent is too high. I don't think the location is the issue. The rent might have been to high, but I think the concept itself might have been a little disconnected since it was fusion Indian food ran by 3 young white dudes. I think maybe authenticity or lack thereof might have created some disconnect and hesitation with potential consumers.
June 25, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: That location was tough for a place with no alcohol and basically no seating. It was basically a walk up window paying for a full brick and mortar space. It would've done a lot better on Main Street. I loved it but was always surprised that it was still open. I agree with this, it was a walk-up shop focusing on takeout food. It got some business from UberEats, GrubHub, etc as well, but this isn't one of those that could be blamed on the parking permit. I liked their food and the variety it brought to the neighborhood so hopefully they come back as a food truck or walk-up window or something. Edited June 25, 20195 yr by ucgrady
June 25, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, troeros said: At this rate we are having an otr venture going out of business every 2-3 weeks Your perceived time between boom-bust cycles of OTR is rapidly approaching zero. At this rate, you will be extolling the booms and bemoaning the busts every 2-3 days.
June 25, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Your perceived time between boom-bust cycles of OTR is rapidly approaching zero. At this rate, you will be extolling the booms and bemoaning the busts every 2-3 days. Just stating the fact that there have been more otr businesses closing lately that's all. It could be rent related, weather related, etc who knows.
June 25, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, troeros said: Another OTR business has shut down. This time Indian carry out resturaunt "Injoy". Well what do you expect when you only carry one type of food!
June 25, 20195 yr I live within walking distance of these places and never hear about them until they close. Because they don't have illuminated signs. I can name all sorts of restaurants I've never been to in Clifton Heights, right up the hill, because they have illuminated signs. (A)Deep India, King Wok, Elephant Walk, etc.
June 25, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: Because they don't have illuminated signs. Oh give me a break.
June 25, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, ucgrady said: I agree with this, it was a walk-up shop focusing on takeout food. It got some business from UberEats, GrubHub, etc as well, but this isn't one of those that could be blamed on the parking permit. I liked their food and the variety it brought to the neighborhood so hopefully they come back as a food truck or walk-up window or something. Mommy's Basement App sales don't count since the app companies take 30 percent off the top and people already have drinks at their homes. Restaurants selling something on those things is like playing a benefit show or painting something for free to get "exposure".
June 25, 20195 yr When I went to Injoy I would get it and walk over to Washington Park and drink two beers there while I ate it. If they had served alcohol and had a seating area on the sidewalk I would've given them my $12 for the two beers instead of the park.
June 25, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, jjakucyk said: Oh give me a break. Sign laws can be the difference between being open for 3 years simply because the area is cool or being open 100 because everyone knows where you are. This goes for suburban sign laws as well. All those businesses with too-low signs you see in "upscale" suburbs are Marked for Death the minute Becky stops telling the other Becky about them.
June 25, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, GCrites80s said: Mommy's Basement App sales don't count since the app companies take 30 percent off the top and people already have drinks at their homes. Restaurants selling something on those things is like playing a benefit show or painting something for free to get "exposure". Yeah, the restaurant I deliver for quit Door Dash right away. It's a scam. It scams the drivers and it scams the restaurants. Also, the restaurant I work for is all lit up. It does $15-20,000 every Friday and every Saturday, rain or shine, and close to $10,000 the other five days each week.
June 25, 20195 yr Every time that a business closes, it's not a sign that the neighborhood is doomed and failing. Restaurant and bars fail all the time, and it's actually pretty incredible that Vine Street has seen very little turnover overall. Bridges will be opening on Court Street and is essentially the same concept as Injoy. Except it's in a better location that will get more foot traffic from more office workers, courthouse goers, and the new 1010 On The Rhine apartment building. And I think they will also have some indoor seating. I also think that in Cincinnati, much of the population is still afraid to take a chance on anything that isn't a polished, traditional restaurant concept that they can easily understand and have heard their friends talk about. That's why people are willing to put their name on a list and wait 3 hours to get into The Eagle or Bakersfield. I don't see many people in Cincinnati getting take-out food and eating it in the park, despite the fact that you see this happen in other cities all the time. I barely see anyone getting food from The Takeaway and eating it in Ziegler Park which is right next door.
June 25, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, taestell said: Restaurant and bars fail all the time People think they know how restaurants work because they go to them. Give somebody a movie camera who has seen 1,000 movies in the theater and they're going to make a piece of crap, aside from the fact they have no idea how to get one funded, distributed, etc. Almost nobody who opens a restaurant knows what they're doing. Almost nobody who opens a food truck knows what they're doing. There are like 15 unusual skills that you need (cooking food is only one of them), and you need all of them. And people who are that smart rarely waste their time in the restaurant business.
June 25, 20195 yr You have to have a lot of businesses in the first place in order to see any significant number of them failing. They can't go out of business if they're not there in the first place.
June 25, 20195 yr Bars seem like a better business venture in otr. High margins of whole sale liquor selling as a 9-12$ shot at bars. Must be good profits for otr bar owners all thing considering. If you really want to do a side food business, just do what Daniel Wright did with Holiday Spirits in OTR. Open a bar and have a pick up order window section for food.
June 25, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, troeros said: Bars seem like a better business venture in otr. High margins of whole sale liquor selling as a 9-12$ shot at bars. Must be good profits for otr bar owners all thing considering. If you really want to do a side food business, just do what Daniel Wright did with Holiday Spirits in OTR. Open a bar and have a pick up order window section for food. Are you saying that OTR bars are selling shots for $9-12? Because I hang out at a lot of OTR bars and I don't see that happening. You're more likely to find a $5 shot and a beer special. You can get a $9-12 mixed drink at a lot of places, but those usually contain lots of ingredients and often more than one shot.
June 25, 20195 yr 39 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: Are you saying that OTR bars are selling shots for $9-12? Because I hang out at a lot of OTR bars and I don't see that happening. You're more likely to find a $5 shot and a beer special. You can get a $9-12 mixed drink at a lot of places, but those usually contain lots of ingredients and often more than one shot. There are definitely places in otr with shots in the 9-10$ range. Even with the mixed drinks they are only pouring a few ounces of liquor. Still great margins for a 10$ mixed drink.
June 26, 20195 yr Latest round of Historic Tax Credits were just announced, and lots of good stuff in OTR, especially north of Liberty: Quote 18 E. 15th Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $3,379,128 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Address: 18 E. 15th St., Cincinnati, 45202 This building is a companion of the larger Over-the-Rhine Mixed Income project awarded separately during this round. The four-story building retains some of its original storefront details as well as the decorative cornice. Currently all residential, the building's first-floor spaces will be converted back to commercial use. Once the rehab is completed, there will be seven apartments and 3,000 square feet of commercial space. 112 Corwine (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $434,855 Total Tax Credit: $71,346 Address: 112 Corwine St., Cincinnati, 45202 This building is in the northern part of the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of Cincinnati. Three stories tall, but less than 2,000 square feet, the small residential building will be rehabbed as short-term rental property in conjunction with the developer's nearby bar and event spaces. Built c. 1870, the Italianate building was home to numerous working-class tenants over its history but has been vacant for many years. 526 E. 12th Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $1,880,500 Total Tax Credit: $185,000 Address: 526 E. 12th St., Cincinnati, 45202 Constructed c. 1885 in the Pendleton neighborhood in Cincinnati, this residential building has been vacant for several years. Once rehabilitated, it will hold four one-bedroom and four two-bedroom apartments. Many original historic features remain on the building's exterior, including ornate Italianate hoodmolds and cornice. Inside, original woodwork will be retained. 1614 Walnut Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $1,777,976 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Address: 1614 Walnut St., Cincinnati, 45202 This brick Italianate mixed-use building in Over-the-Rhine was constructed in 1865 and expanded in 1875. Since then, it has served as a saloon, boarding house, wagon garage, retail space and a storefront church. Long vacant, the upper-floor residential spaces will be rehabilitated for five apartments with the corner ground-floor space finished for restaurant use. Extensive repairs are necessary, including all new mechanicals, windows, doors, roof and repair of the masonry and decorative cornice. 1704 Elm (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $966,627 Total Tax Credit: $186,400 Address: 1704 Elm St., Cincinnati, 45202 Like so many of its neighbors, this three-story Over-the-Rhine building has served the neighborhood as both commercial and residential space over the past 150 years. Unsympathetic rehab in the late 20th century stripped much of the historic fabric from the building, but it does retain the original staircase that will be repaired. The bricked-in storefront will be replaced with a new compatible storefront design for a commercial tenant on the first floor. Two apartments will occupy upper floors. 1707 Pleasant (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $683,400 Total Tax Credit: $84,400 Address: 1707 Pleasant St., Cincinnati, 45202 Constructed in the northern part of Over-the-Rhine in the 1880s, this building is a rare example of a remaining frame structure in the neighborhood. Throughout its history, it has been a residential building and will be rehabbed to continue to serve residents with four apartments. Many historic features remain and will be repaired, including original floors, wainscoting, trim, doors, staircases and cornices. 1714 Vine (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $1,140,480 Total Tax Credit: $223,000 Address: 1714 Vine St. and 1663 Hamer St., Cincinnati, 45202 The 1714 Vine project includes two buildings that sit back-to-back on the parcel. Each is a small brick Italianate in the common Over-the-Rhine style. Both vacant for many years and suffering from neglect and poor rehabs, the buildings still contain many original features that will be retained. Some of these features include floors, trim, lintels and sills, and staircases. After the rehab is complete, there will be 10 apartments and one small commercial space on the ground floor. 1733 Elm Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $1,513,974 Total Tax Credit: $186,500 Address: 1733 Elm St., Cincinnati, 45202 The building at 1733 Elm St., across the street from Cincinnati's Findlay Market, tells the story of the neighborhood well. The Italianate mixed-use building was home to many businesses on the first floor and residents on the upper floors who were German and Eastern European immigrants. The commercial space has been vacant for decades, and the residential spaces have been vacant for a few years. The rehab project will preserve many historic elements, including parts of the cast-iron storefront, trim, stairways, doors and cornice. Clyffside Brewery (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $13,534,134 Total Tax Credit: $1,345,000 Address: 244-246 W. McMicken Ave., Cincinnati, 45214 The Hamilton Brewery first had its operations on this site in 1845 and made use of the hillside location for cool storage tunnels. Various breweries, including one called Clyffside Brewery, used and added to the complex during pre-Prohibition years, and after Prohibition, another brewing company used the space until the 1950s. The rehab plans call for the long-vacant building to again be used for brewery operations as well as event spaces with bars, catering kitchens and decks. Over-the-Rhine Mixed Income Project (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $50,348,738 Total Tax Credit: $5,000,000 Address: (historic) 1600, 1601, 1606, 1611 and 1623 Race St., 124-128 W. Liberty St., 1445 and 1447 Walnut, 211 and 215 Woodward, 1604 and 1606 Pleasant, 1510 and 1512 Moore, 20 E. 15th; (new) 1602 Pleasant St., Cincinnati, 45202 This large multi-building project in Over-the-Rhine includes 17 historic buildings and one new building. Several of the buildings are mixed-use with commercial spaces on the ground floor and residential above. A number of the others were originally residential only and will remain that way. In all, 169 residential units will be rehabbed along with 33,000 square feet of commercial space. Edited June 26, 20195 yr by jwulsin
June 26, 20195 yr Is the Clyffside project the first to benefit from the new Mohawk historic district? I’d think it is but not entirely sure.
June 26, 20195 yr It would be wonderful if someone with more time on their hand than me put these on a map. In the few years I've been paying attention, this seems like the most individual projects we've been awarded. Looks like development is creeping up and bridging the gap between 12th & Vine and Findlay market, finally.
June 26, 20195 yr These are great. There’s no program we have that does a better job of facilitating incremental, granular development than these historic tax credits. I wonder if any of these projects also benefited from the removal of parking minimums in OTR. www.cincinnatiideas.com
June 26, 20195 yr 48 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Latest round of Historic Tax Credits were just announced, and lots of good stuff in OTR, especially north of Liberty: The new building 1602 Pleasant street. That is where the Clooney mural is correct? I hate to see it go but am glad to see liberty street starting to fill up empty lots.
June 26, 20195 yr Wow, this is huge. The last grouping of buildings alone is quite significant, and it marks 3CDC's grand entrance to OTR North of Liberty. I hope they keep Alabama Fish Bar when they renovate that building. Also, new construction will be coming to the lot at 1602 Pleasant, which will block the view of the Rosemary Clooney mural. A shame, but obviously infill trumps views of murals.
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