October 12, 20195 yr Maybe she's not interested in selling it to 3CDC. It wouldn't be the only parking lot/vacant building in OTR that 3CDC wants to buy but the current owner doesn't want to sell. (At least not at the price that 3CDC is currently offering.)
October 12, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, taestell said: Maybe she's not interested in selling it to 3CDC. It wouldn't be the only parking lot/vacant building in OTR that 3CDC wants to buy but the current owner doesn't want to sell. (At least not at the price that 3CDC is currently offering.) I mean imagine when your old your thinking about collecting whatever money you can get and retire and move to Florida to prepare for death.
October 12, 20195 yr She is already a multi-billionaire, I doubt the lots she owns on the west side of Walnut (which are probably worth less than $1 million total) are a big concern of hers at the moment.
October 12, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, taestell said: She is already a multi-billionaire, I doubt the lots she owns on the west side of Walnut (which are probably worth less than $1 million total) are a big concern of hers at the moment. Maybe. Rich people are normally rich because they have every penny calculated. I agree it's not a major priority, but I doubt it's something that's lost in the corner of the closet so to speak.
October 13, 20195 yr 8 hours ago, troeros said: Rich people are normally rich because they have every penny calculated They're not necessarily rich because of that, but the rich certainly have an unhealthy obsession with getting the highest score possible in your bank account at the expense of everything else in their lives (marriage in this instance)
October 15, 20195 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/15/over-the-rhines-newest-steakhouse-sets-opening.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Losanti, is taking over the Anchor spot and will officially open on October 15th. This will be OTR first traditional Steak House I believe.
October 16, 20195 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/16/craft-beer-shop-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Craft Beer Store coming to OTR...I believe this is the first for the area.
October 18, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, tonyalexander said: Vine St. starting to poke through to Walnut. Is this overall lot larger than Mercer on Vine? It appears that way from first glance in the photo.
October 18, 20195 yr On 6/5/2019 at 11:41 AM, 10albersa said: Yes, if they can acquire the Grammer's Place lot on Walnut, they would be able to build a new building/garage that's significantly bigger than the One Mercer building.
October 18, 20195 yr Anyone familiar with Ghost Baby OTR? LinkedIn had a job post for a bar manager. Check out this job at Ghost Baby: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1533203070 It says in the job description it's a partnership between Agar and the Academy and will be a bar with live music... Not sure what the academy part means, but I'm wondering if this will be at the renovated commercial space in the art academy being rehabbed by Urban Sites? They plan on opening in winter, so it's Opening relatively soon if that's the case... Here's the instagram profile: I'm not sure what a juke den is either lol.
October 18, 20195 yr 55 minutes ago, troeros said: Anyone familiar with Ghost Baby OTR? LinkedIn had a job post for a bar manager. Check out this job at Ghost Baby: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1533203070 It says in the job description it's a partnership between Agar and the Academy and will be a bar with live music... Not sure what the academy part means, but I'm wondering if this will be at the renovated commercial space in the art academy being rehabbed by Urban Sites? They plan on opening in winter, so it's Opening relatively soon if that's the case... Here's the instagram profile: I'm not sure what a juke den is either lol. I heard about these guys. They leased the old beer cellar space from 3CDC, it's under Panino. Super excited about that space getting renovated.
October 18, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: tetris It's Over-the-Rhine, not Over-the-Volga. The last thing Cincinnati needs is a bunch of people squatting around in Adidas track suits. Edited October 18, 20195 yr by BigDipper 80 “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
October 18, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, d_burnham said: I heard about these guys. They leased the old beer cellar space from 3CDC, it's under Panino. Super excited about that space getting renovated. Omg that's amazing news! I've been waiting for the beer cellar to be used for years now. Also adding a bar with dance music will add some much needed life to Vine St after 10-11pm when the restaurants start winding down.
October 18, 20195 yr ^ I know the contractor working on this space, and they have been under construction for a few months now to make the sub-basement a bar. 1313 Vine
October 18, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, Jimmy Skinner said: ^ I know the contractor working on this space, and they have been under construction for a few months now to make the sub-basement a bar. 1313 Vine Awesome..guess that means they are close to wrapping up with the winter projected opening date for ghost baby.
October 23, 20195 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/23/wine-and-jazz-bar-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline This is awesome. Wine and Jazz Bar coming to OTR in the Behlen Building...wonder if this might be the death of Schwartz Point.. Great news for Vine Street. Bustling when resturaunts are open but is eeiry quiet after 10pm...adding a mixture of bars and live music venue will nicely increase the pedestrian count during later hours in the night which helps create an otr that is much more active at night than simply main Street and also helps increase safety for others...criminals are less likely to commit a crime when you constantly have pedestrians and cars driving/walking out and about.
October 23, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, troeros said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/23/wine-and-jazz-bar-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline This is awesome. Wine and Jazz Bar coming to OTR in the Behlen Building...wonder if this might be the death of Schwartz Point.. Great news for Vine Street. Bustling when resturaunts are open but is eeiry quiet after 10pm...adding a mixture of bars and live music venue will nicely increase the pedestrian count during later hours in the night which helps create an otr that is much more active at night than simply main Street and also helps increase safety for others...criminals are less likely to commit a crime when you constantly have pedestrians and cars driving/walking out and about. I agree it is good whenever a vacant building gets renovated and a new establishment opens, but I would caution you to not over-interpret any single opening/closing. You seem to oscillate between extremes of saying OTR is about to collapse and OTR is booming. It's a big enough neighborhood that there will always be some establishments opening and some closing.
October 23, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: I agree it is good whenever a vacant building gets renovated and a new establishment opens, but I would caution you to not over-interpret any single opening/closing. You seem to oscillate between extremes of saying OTR is about to collapse and OTR is booming. It's a big enough neighborhood that there will always be some establishments opening and some closing. I'm not blind to the fact that businesses fail. Most of the time due its own quality, or lack thereof. That said the businesses that were lost this year like The Rook stung. But yes, overall I agree with your outlook. Don't get to high with the highs, don't get to low with the lows. I think otr is still at a state where every business, big or small, plays a big role in otr overall state.
October 23, 20195 yr On October 3rd, a chunk of properties in the triangular block bound by Vine, McMicken, Elder were purchased by "Nassau Avenue Investments", with mailing address 1826 Race St (office location of Model Group). 1804 Vine, 1806 Vine, 35 E McMicken (all one building/parcel) 1812 Vine 29 E McMicken 1814 Vine 1816 Vine, 1818 Vine 1820 Vine, 1822 Vine
October 23, 20195 yr That's great news. I was wondering when we would hear more on Model's developments around Findlay Market. Exactly what is needed to help clean up Vine Street and around Findlay Playground. I wonder if there are any residents in these buildings?
October 23, 20195 yr I was trying to figure out what they paid for these. It looks like they paid $364K for 1804 Vine, 1806 Vine, 35 E McMicken (all one building/parcel) $500K for 1812, 1814, 1816 Vine $525K for for 1820/1822 Vine I saw 500K listed for all three of those properties on Vine, but I doubt each building was 500K, guessing it was 500 for the group. Can anyone confirm?
October 23, 20195 yr It's funny to think about the hundreds of times I have walked or biked along the first E block of McMicken, and how I've never been able to look at the buildings because of all of the guys selling drugs. 2-3 weeks ago I took exactly one photo of the buildings next to Kroger before the dealers started yelling at me for taking photos. It's amazing how resilient these guys have been in a few spots despite the total collapse of drug dealing everywhere else in the neighborhood over the past 10 years.
October 23, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: It's funny to think about the hundreds of times I have walked or biked along the first E block of McMicken, and how I've never been able to look at the buildings because of all of the guys selling drugs. 2-3 weeks ago I took exactly one photo of the buildings next to Kroger before the dealers started yelling at me for taking photos. It's amazing how resilient these guys have been in a few spots despite the total collapse of drug dealing everywhere else in the neighborhood over the past 10 years. Next to kroger? Really? Its hard to drug deal there anymore because you have way to much pedestrian traffic nowadays. I don't know how you continue to drug deal when you have people left and right, and families walking by with little kids. I thought drug dealers like areas with no foot traffic or very little foot traffic?
October 24, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: It's funny to think about the hundreds of times I have walked or biked along the first E block of McMicken, and how I've never been able to look at the buildings because of all of the guys selling drugs. 2-3 weeks ago I took exactly one photo of the buildings next to Kroger before the dealers started yelling at me for taking photos. It's amazing how resilient these guys have been in a few spots despite the total collapse of drug dealing everywhere else in the neighborhood over the past 10 years. All the drug dealing from findlay park moved to the area around grant park. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you got yelled at if you tried to take any photos around that area. I feel there's a lot of people who are dead set on keeping OTR free from any change from what it was 15 years ago. I was getting some street level photography south of Liberty street on Elm street and had people yelling and threatening me for whatever reason.
October 24, 20195 yr 21 hours ago, troeros said: Next to kroger? Really? Its hard to drug deal there anymore because you have way to much pedestrian traffic nowadays. I don't know how you continue to drug deal when you have people left and right, and families walking by with little kids. I thought drug dealers like areas with no foot traffic or very little foot traffic? Walked by that spot this morning and it was empty. 3CDC started working on the utilities for the old Weilert's building next to the old Kroger. I think shutting down the street plus parts of the sidewalk has dispersed them for now. But then again, maybe I was there too early. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
October 24, 20195 yr Drug dealers lurk in areas where they feel they can be under the radar which you can only really determine when you actually visit a place for yourself and walk around. It is totally visceral, it's not like drug dealers make a map of which areas have foot traffic and which areas don't. It's similar to how when you walk down any street in any city you can almost instantly tell whether it feels "safe" or "unsafe". As a general rule, yes, adding more foot traffic to an area will make it feel "safer" and eventually result in the illicit activity moving somewhere else. But other things play a role, like the types of street lighting and streetscape materials and the condition of the surrounding buildings (see "broken windows theory"). The difference in streetscape alone explains a lot about why Vine Street "feels" different north and south of 15th Street.
October 24, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, JYP said: Walked by that spot this morning and it was empty. 3CDC started working on the utilities for the old Weilert's building next to the old Kroger. I think shutting down the street plus parts of the sidewalk has dispersed them for now. But then again, maybe I was there too early. It is amazing how often the City of Cincinnati gets away with completely closing a public street without the social justice crowd noticing or getting worked up about it. The only exception I can recall is when the city put up multiple roadblocks on McMicken a few years ago in order to discourage the prostitution that was happening up there and members of the community created the "We Ain't Trickin' Open Up McMicken" petition. 15th Street was roadblocked for a long time and people didn't really seem to notice or care. Findlay Playground has been closed for about a year now supposedly for "renovation" and I think we all know that's a flimsy excuse for why it's actually closed. The closures on Vine Street are due to utility work but I have no doubt that the city is letting the utilities take their sweet time in order to make the closure as long as possible. Do you really need to close the entire street for 6 weeks to do utility work? It seems like they are reopening it to cars most nights but at various times it's completely closed with traffic detoured via 15th and Elm/Race.
October 24, 20195 yr On the 1500 block of Elm I have had a front row seat to changes in street drug dealing/using, prostitution, and public intoxication/urination/defecation over the past 10 years. 10 years ago it was the Wild West - some truly crazy people, fights, screaming, loud car stereos stopping for a half hour at 3AM... some times I could count 100+ people within a half block. Now, there's rarely more than 6 folks just hanging around, with most of those being extremely resistant drug dealers who've been in and out of prison their whole lives. I think their market has shifted elsewhere, and the ones that are left are sort of the lower rung. The people who are left all know my name and say hello to me when I walk past. Like they're trying to be good neighbors. It's very weird. What I've found most remarkable is the gradualness of the changes. I can't tell you how many times I've thought "that's it, they're gone!" but instead of some sea-change it's moved just about at the same pace as redevelopment - just as gradually. Recently 3CDC bought the L&S market building across the street, along with two lots behind it on pleasant, and another building on Race, from slumlord Aaron Etzler (which I think marks his formal exit from the neighborhood). Something like $850K for everything. Now, once L&S market's lease runs out, 3CDC will boot them out of there. Without a local shifty bodega for cover, that will, probably, be the last nail in the dealers coffin. But, from beginning to end, my guess it will end up being 15 years.
October 24, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, jim uber said: Recently 3CDC bought the L&S market building across the street, along with two lots behind it on pleasant, and another building on Race, from slumlord Aaron Etzler (which I think marks his formal exit from the neighborhood). Model Group also bought a bunch of properties from him in the last month up around corner of Vine and McMicken.
October 24, 20195 yr 16 minutes ago, jim uber said: On the 1500 block of Elm I have had a front row seat to changes in street drug dealing/using, prostitution, and public intoxication/urination/defecation over the past 10 years. 10 years ago it was the Wild West - some truly crazy people, fights, screaming, loud car stereos stopping for a half hour at 3AM... some times I could count 100+ people within a half block. Now, there's rarely more than 6 folks just hanging around, with most of those being extremely resistant drug dealers who've been in and out of prison their whole lives. I think their market has shifted elsewhere, and the ones that are left are sort of the lower rung. The people who are left all know my name and say hello to me when I walk past. Like they're trying to be good neighbors. It's very weird. What I've found most remarkable is the gradualness of the changes. I can't tell you how many times I've thought "that's it, they're gone!" but instead of some sea-change it's moved just about at the same pace as redevelopment - just as gradually. Recently 3CDC bought the L&S market building across the street, along with two lots behind it on pleasant, and another building on Race, from slumlord Aaron Etzler (which I think marks his formal exit from the neighborhood). Something like $850K for everything. Now, once L&S market's lease runs out, 3CDC will boot them out of there. Without a local shifty bodega for cover, that will, probably, be the last nail in the dealers coffin. But, from beginning to end, my guess it will end up being 15 years. There is that really weird store (I don't know if it's a bodega or what) by the Columbia building on Walnut where Tucker's used to be I think. They still deal there as well and are sometimes aggressive at night to passerbys. I'm genuinely impressed that they have the balls to do that with so many people going in and out of bars and restaurants. It's like they don't want to give up their neighborhood or way of life it seems.
October 24, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, taestell said: The closures on Vine Street are due to utility work but I have no doubt that the city is letting the utilities take their sweet time in order to make the closure as long as possible. Do you really need to close the entire street for 6 weeks to do utility work? It seems like they are reopening it to cars most nights but at various times it's completely closed with traffic detoured via 15th and Elm/Race. I thought the same thing but they had a fair amount of crews going at last night at 9:30 on Vine St so the closure could be pretty legit.
October 24, 20195 yr I wouldn't be surprised if they keep that stretch of vine closed till the road diet starts next spring, and have it shut down for another year or two.
October 24, 20195 yr On 10/23/2019 at 3:35 PM, jwulsin said: On October 3rd, a chunk of properties in the triangular block bound by Vine, McMicken, Elder were purchased by "Nassau Avenue Investments", with mailing address 1826 Race St (office location of Model Group). 1804 Vine, 1806 Vine, 35 E McMicken (all one building/parcel) 1812 Vine 29 E McMicken 1814 Vine 1816 Vine, 1818 Vine 1820 Vine, 1822 Vine Thinking about this by Model, this is really going to be transformational for NOL. It will be the start of another gateway to Findlay Market or more or less a gateway to Vine Street from Findlay Market. They won't be on such an island anymore from other redevelopment. Here is the set of buildings: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1156954,-84.5166254,3a,75y,23.18h,92.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIqGBUHn_Cw8gvm3I0RnmZA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 You see these two buildings, I wonder if anything is going on with them: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1156954,-84.5166254,3a,75y,269.76h,95.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIqGBUHn_Cw8gvm3I0RnmZA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Model already started their march east down Elder toward Vine. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1155117,-84.5178133,3a,75y,32.6h,99.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syQdd_rzVHvjoeJzBfMCAJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 You've got to assume at some point in the next two to three years we hear of the redevelopment of Findlay Playground into an underground garage and probably at some point, for worse or better, the move of Our Daily Bread to another location.
October 24, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, tonyalexander said: Kro-gone-o... Looks weird without the Kroger building. Hopefully it won't be a parking lot for too long.
October 24, 20195 yr Model might renovate the buildings but the people who move in might suck. The small house on the W. Clifton hill that was renovated about 3 years ago won't sell in large part because of the new tenants in the row houses that Model just renovated last year: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1622448/105-W-Clifton-Ave-Cincinnati-OH-45202 Arguments, stuff being thrown, car stereos, broken glass, the usual.
October 25, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said: Model might renovate the buildings but the people who move in might suck. The small house on the W. Clifton hill that was renovated about 3 years ago won't sell in large part because of the new tenants in the row houses that Model just renovated last year: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1622448/105-W-Clifton-Ave-Cincinnati-OH-45202 Arguments, stuff being thrown, car stereos, broken glass, the usual. #gentrifcation
October 25, 20195 yr 16 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: Model might renovate the buildings but the people who move in might suck. The small house on the W. Clifton hill that was renovated about 3 years ago won't sell in large part because of the new tenants in the row houses that Model just renovated last year: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1622448/105-W-Clifton-Ave-Cincinnati-OH-45202 Arguments, stuff being thrown, car stereos, broken glass, the usual. If you're talking about the row houses at 19-27 W Clifton, you're mixing up Model Group with Model Construction. Model Construction provided construction for those row houses, but they are owned and managed by Over-the-Rhine Community Housing. I live adjacent to OTRCH buildings on E Clifton. I don't think it's helpful to say that people who live in OTRCH's buildings "might suck". I like my neighbors and I appreciate the work OTRCH does. In any neighborhood, there's always the risk of having an annoying neighbor. I lived on a quiet street in Oakley for 7 years with a very annoying grumpy old man next door who was honestly more annoying than anybody I've dealt with since living in OTR.
October 25, 20195 yr Just now, jwulsin said: If you're talking about the row houses at 19-27 W Clifton, you're mixing up Model Group with Model Construction. Model Construction provided construction for those row houses, but they are owned and managed by Over-the-Rhine Community Housing. I live adjacent to OTRCH buildings on E Clifton. I don't think it's helpful to say that people who live in OTRCH's buildings "might suck". I like my neighbors and I appreciate the work OTRCH does. In any neighborhood, there's always the risk of having an annoying neighbor. I lived on a quiet street in Oakley for 7 years with a very annoying grumpy old man next door who was honestly more annoying than anybody I've dealt with since living in OTR. Thanks for the clarification. I have lived next to plenty of people who've sucked and I didn't hesitate to yell at them and call the police. I unwittingly bought a house next to a 4-unit building that is rented to people coming out of rehab, so the stream of nonsense is unending. I occasionally have stuff thrown into my yard and onto my roof, along with coming home to people sitting on my porch. Plus hours-long arguments and regular police visits.
October 25, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: Thanks for the clarification. I have lived next to plenty of people who've sucked and I didn't hesitate to yell at them and call the police. I unwittingly bought a house next to a 4-unit building that is rented to people coming out of rehab, so the stream of nonsense is unending. I occasionally have stuff thrown into my yard and onto my roof, along with coming home to people sitting on my porch. Plus hours-long arguments and regular police visits. Why do you think they behave this way?
November 1, 20195 yr O Pie O is opening a 2nd location in OTR in the recently renovated Columbia Building by 3CDC. It will be in proximity to 16 bit/Longfellows/Homemakers Bar etc.
November 3, 20195 yr So I was at Findley market today, and I haven't really gone their in a while for whatever reason but today I did. Has the idea of extending the market through the Findley market surface lots ever come up? Maybe it's just me, but the market itself is good but really small in comparison to other peer city markets. It's basically one longish hallway with quite a bit of empty vending space with alot of the vendors selling similar stuff. Sure there are other vendors in the Italianatte buildings across from the indoor segment but it seems almost disjointed..like there is no real flow so to speak. I think it would be really interesting if they could extend the market and build another canopy indoor market space that is like a 2nd extension... The area is cool and the architecture and art that surround the area is cool, but there is something really lackluster about the experience as a whole. Not sure why...not bad, not good, just not a really exciting market compared to some other city urban farmer markets.
November 4, 20195 yr On 11/2/2019 at 11:15 PM, troeros said: quite a bit of empty vending space with alot of the vendors selling similar stuff I don't see how the cure to this would be expanding, unless there were a successful campaign to solicit new vendors to fill everything up. I feel like having the permanent stores flanking the market which can flex into outdoor stalls is solid, I don't think the size is an issue. On the parking lots, I'd like to see underground parking with mixed retail/residential on top. North Market in Columbus feels more spread out to me but not bigger (as in more vendors), especially when factoring in Silverglades, Maverick, etc. in the stores outside the market hall. West Side Market in Cleveland is massively bigger, although it has a ton of vendors selling the same things (if you want kielbasa and macarons, boy are you set). I'm not sure which peer city market you might be thinking of which is much more substantial, other than West Side Market. I think the best thing for the market would just be residential infill in the market's vicinity. If it could be more active and full of vendors 7 days a week, perhaps with extended hours, that would be a better scenario than having a larger market. Bringing more customers to the area would be the best way to accomplish this. Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Robuu
November 5, 20195 yr Spruce Nail Shop is expanding and moving out of their small Vine Street location and into 1818 race street and expect to hire 30 plus people. They arent taking all of 1818 race but is the Hickory Wald Food Hall Concept still a go? I really hope that's still in the works...
November 5, 20195 yr 49 minutes ago, troeros said: Spruce Nail Shop is expanding and moving out of their small Vine Street location and into 1818 race street and expect to hire 30 plus people. They arent taking all of 1818 race but is the Hickory Wald Food Hall Concept still a go? I really hope that's still in the works... 30 workers sounds like they would take up a lot of real estate in that space. I think the food hall idea is probably dead. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
November 5, 20195 yr I'm sure Kroger kind of sucked up the market for a food hall. I wouldn't open one with Kroger and Findlay Market, there's not room for another one that could sustain itself.
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