53 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

The problem we still face with otr is that many people who go out and party on main Street think that one street is OTR. The older crowds who only stick to Vine Street, think the resturaunts they eat at on Vine is all of otr. It's very divided and I think the more we can "blend" the 2 areas the more people can realize otr is more than just x -street or x -blocks. 

I don't think anyone who's been to OTR more then once thinks this anymore.  There are plenty of restaurants, bars and shops on the streets not named Vine and Main.  

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Things indeed do change. I'm not arguing that Mt. Adams could never rebound. I am just echoing constant feedback I hear about Mt. Adams in which people complain about lack of parking, extremely narrow and confusing streets. 

 

People have always enjoyed convienence and simplicity. Going out to dinner or for drinks at the banks or otr is so much simpler.

 

I'd also argue that for college kids who live in Clifton, they probably have cheaper Uber rates for otr versus Mt. Adams which I'm sure plays a small role as well. 

 

 

 

everything you are saying is in the super short term. It's people's current impressions and needs. That doesn't mean that "Mt. Adams will never be back to where it once was."

15 years ago pretty much no one would have told you that OTR would be a desirable place. Things change. 

15 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I don't see this as any sort of problem.  In 10 years everything will be different.  Restaurants and bars come and go, as do entertainment districts in a city like Cincinnati.  In 10 years OTR could be dead and restaurants/bars will have migrated back to Mt. Adams.

 

Obviously this has happened many times in recent decades as a new hot entertainment district popped up and the old one completely died off, and this cycle repeated several times. However the issue now is that many neighborhoods have seen a lot more residential development and so new restaurants and bars could be NIMBY-ed out. We have already started to see this in pockets of OTR, like when residents of new townhomes on Republic Street protested the Holiday Spirits/Forty Thieves patio because it would bring ToO mUcH nOiSe to their street. This could push future entertainment districts into neighborhoods like the West End or Camp Washington where, unfortunately, the concerns of the existing residents aren't taken as seriously as the concerns of wealthier residents in other neighborhoods.

 

Main Street in particular is interesting. It was obviously a hot destination in the 90s/2000s and then almost completely died off, and then came back as a bar district again. In recent years, a wider variety of stores, restaurants, and bars have opened, but it still attracts a very different crowd than Vine. Without naming specific names, I get the sense that many of the establishments I enjoy on and around Main Street are struggling and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them closed in the next few years--either because business is bad or because their rent is going to double when their current lease is up. There has been an effort by Urban Sites to bring in wider variety of businesses to their retail spaces, and some are doing quite well but maybe others aren't. Ziegler Park hasn't yet had the massive spillover effect on eastern OTR that Washington Park had on western OTR. I still believe that one of the simplest and easiest things the city could do that would have a massive positive impact on western OTR would be to make both Main and Walnut two-way. It would disrupt existing traffic patterns, get people to drive down new streets and perhaps notice new businesses, cause people to slow down and stop treating those streets like highways, and make it a much more comfortable experience for pedestrians.

8 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

everything you are saying is in the super short term. It's people's current impressions and needs. That doesn't mean that "Mt. Adams will never be back to where it once was."

15 years ago pretty much no one would have told you that OTR would be a desirable place. Things change. 

 

I would definitely say don't make a decision where to open a bar based on the existence of Uber

10 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

everything you are saying is in the super short term. It's people's current impressions and needs. That doesn't mean that "Mt. Adams will never be back to where it once was."

15 years ago pretty much no one would have told you that OTR would be a desirable place. Things change. 

 

But the problem is that otr was ALWAYS a desirable place. Throughout its history, especially early on it was full of breweries, bars, beer gardens etc. Obviously the collapse had alot to do because of the West end being demolished and many of the poor people over taking otr.

 

But even the 90s and early 2000s before the riots hit, otr was still very much a popular place. 

 

3 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

But the problem is that otr was ALWAYS a desirable place. Throughout its history, especially early on it was full of breweries, bars, beer gardens etc. Obviously the collapse had alot to do because of the West end being demolished and many of the poor people over taking otr.

 

But even the 90s and early 2000s before the riots hit, otr was still very much a popular place. 

 

 

Your understanding of OTR is way off. It was a poor working class neighborhood for almost its entire existence until it was bombed out in the 20th Century and largely vacant. As soon as the inclines and streetcars came to Cincy OTR was seen as the least desireable neighborhood.

Main Street had cautious optimism in the 90s. It was a popular bar district. But everything else was not.

11 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

But the problem is that otr was ALWAYS a desirable place. Throughout its history, especially early on it was full of breweries, bars, beer gardens etc. Obviously the collapse had alot to do because of the West end being demolished and many of the poor people over taking otr.

 

But even the 90s and early 2000s before the riots hit, otr was still very much a popular place. 

 

 

This is just so extremely inaccurate. The only reason OTR could become the hot bar district in the 1990s was because it was undesirable. Rent was so cheap that dive bars and clubs could afford to open there, and there were no middle class or wealthy residents to NIMBY anything out of existence. 95% of people going to entertainment venues simply don't care about whether that venue is located in a beautiful historic neighborhood or not. People just went there to get drunk and party and did not care about OTR. Up until the 3CDC era renovations got into full swing, there was still a very widespread belief from many Cincinnatians that "OTR is just too far gone, it's a ghetto and a red light district, they need to just demolish the neighborhood and let it get redeveloped from scratch." You would hear WLW callers and read Enquirer LTEs where people would say this kind of thing all the time.

^I think what troeros is saying is that in theory OTR was always a desirable place due to its natural talent for good urbanism.

8 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

Your understanding of OTR is way off. It was a poor working class neighborhood for almost its entire existence until it was bombed out in the 20th Century and largely vacant. As soon as the inclines and streetcars came to Cincy OTR was seen as the least desireable neighborhood.

Main Street had cautious optimism in the 90s. It was a popular bar district. But everything else was not.

 

Why do all the history books talk about how otr had a booming brewery industry and once of the most dense cities with bars, theaters and saloons on almost every block? Every book I read on otr history discussed how the area was defined by alcoholism and entertainment very early on in it's history?

Edited November 20, 20195 yr by troeros

4 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Why do all the history books talk about how otr had a booming brewery industry and once of the most dense cities with bars, theaters and saloons on almost every block? Every book I read on otr history discussed how the area was defined by alcoholism and entertainment very early on in it's history?

 

Yeah. I think your confusing active with desirable. Breweries were dangerous workplaces. They emitted tons of waste that was spouted into the air and dumped into the public commons. 

 

Horses carried people and goods, which led to a really smelly environment. Prostitution was common. Violence was common. Pretty much everyone with money left the neighborhood because they had the means to do so.

 

Not saying they are equal, but the slums in Brazil are also really active places with people everywhere. It doesn't mean it's a desirable place for people.

9 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Why do all the history books talk about how otr had a booming brewery industry and once of the most dense cities with bars, theaters and saloons on almost every block? Every book I read on otr history discussed how the area was defined by alcoholism and entertainment very early on in it's history?

 

Prohibition, WW1 and the Germans not being the most welcome folk as well as the desire to move to the hills and get more space and air started the exodus that didnt end until recent history.

The Second St. bar district was torn down in 1997 to build Paul Brown Stadium.  Some of those bar owners relocated to Main St.  

 

The Main St. bar district was still going strong through 2003.  The thought that it was killed off right after the riot is totally incorrect.  The media keeps repeating that, but I was there.  I have the pictures to prove it.  I have a roll of film I took the night before they blew up Riverfront Stadium in December 2002.   Everywhere was packed.  

18 minutes ago, SleepyLeroy said:

Prohibition, WW1 and the Germans not being the most welcome folk as well as the desire to move to the hills and get more space and air started the exodus that didnt end until recent history.

 

I think the fact that OTR's population declined from ~45,000 at its peak to ~7,000 at its lowest says a lot about how desirable the neighborhood was during that span. Anyone with means to leave, left.

49 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Why do all the history books talk about how otr had a booming brewery industry and once of the most dense cities with bars, theaters and saloons on almost every block? Every book I read on otr history discussed how the area was defined by alcoholism and entertainment very early on in it's history?

 

I think you are confusing some things, considering OTR was early on the main part of the city along with downtown, there wasn't anything else there, so of course with Cincinnati being a booming and large city (I think in those times like 1870-1900 was in the 10 largest cities in America), that is where everything was.

 

Everyone else is correct, people got out of there as quickly as they could.

 

Now it is hip and desirable because of the architecture and history, if OTR 2019 was exaclty the same as OTR 1900, no one would want to visit there for a night out, I would assume.

 

In short, OTR was booming, etc. because it was the city of Cincinnati all 8 square miles, etc., period. The city of Cincinnati is now the entire metro of 4,800 square miles.

The neighborhoods of Cincy and NKY make this area unique. Hyde Park, Mt. Adams, OTR, MainStrasse,  Mt. Lookout, Northside, Walnut Hills, and im sure there are many more including places like Cheviot. There is a dilemma though. When those places were developed people didn't have two and three cars to a family. They used public transportation. If people did live in walkable neighborhoods and used public trans. then maybe the surrounding neighborhoods would change slower. Until a time comes when people actually walk again  there will be parking problems, changing neighborhoods, and  neighborhood strife. Up and coming v. failing businesses and unwanted neighbors. We either have to learn to deal with "the other" (city life) or live in suburbia and mow the lawn all weekend. 

The interiors of the former Mercy Housing buildings on Main Street are being cleared out. I'm not 100% sure but I believe these are being redeveloped as part of the Willkommen project. 

51 minutes ago, taestell said:

The interiors of the former Mercy Housing buildings on Main Street are being cleared out. I'm not 100% sure but I believe these are being redeveloped as part of the Willkommen project. 

 

These are the cluster of buildings adjacent to saint Mary's correct? Will the rehab create commercial space on the ground floor?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/11/21/2019-was-a-year-of-additions-expansion-in-otr.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

Another great year for OTR. 60 New Businesses, 400 new jobs created, and OTR Chamber moving to the renovated Columbia Building on Walnut 

Next year, a gym will be moving from downtown to 124 Findlay St (directly north of the Findlay Market parking lot): https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/11/21/exclusive-downtown-gym-expands-services-with-move.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

Gyms usually have early morning and late evening activity, which will be good for the area around Findlay Market. This gym has classes starting at 6am and the last class ends at 8:30pm. 

^Thanks for the 9 month head's up, Bizjournals.  

The new underground night club, ghost baby, has been dominating my Facebook. So many people talking about this club. I've never seen a club, let alone in otr, generate this much social media hype. 

 

I get it though, an undergroud night club is probably the most unique club setting you can get. You would normally find this in NYC or some other large city, not cincy. 

Edited November 22, 20195 yr by troeros

8 hours ago, troeros said:

You would normally find this in NYC or some other large city, not cincy.

 

Actually, you wouldn't find it in NYC or just about anywhere else, because other places don't generally have 1800s lagering cellars. That plus the CSO collaboration, plus the owners aggressively seeking media attention, is why there's so much hype.

9 hours ago, troeros said:

The new underground night club, ghost baby, has been dominating my Facebook. So many people talking about this club. I've never seen a club, let alone in otr, generate this much social media hype.

 

You clearly do not remember Club CLAU, which was where the Treehouse is now. 

 

The "highlight" was when Paris Hilton flew into Lunken Airport on her jet and spent 45 minutes at Club CLAU ("change lies ahead of us"), then jetted to the west coast where she took advantage of the time change to keep partying. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Robuu said:

 

Actually, you wouldn't find it in NYC or just about anywhere else, because other places don't generally have 1800s lagering cellars. That plus the CSO collaboration, plus the owners aggressively seeking media attention, is why there's so much hype.

 

Club owners are always douchey self-promoters.  Usually they profit mostly from laundering drug money through the club, all the while blowing said profits on their own $1,000/day cocaine habit. 

23 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

You clearly do not remember Club CLAU, which was where the Treehouse is now. 

 

The "highlight" was when Paris Hilton flew into Lunken Airport on her jet and spent 45 minutes at Club CLAU ("change lies ahead of us"), then jetted to the west coast where she took advantage of the time change to keep partying. 

 

 

 

 

Funny because one of the guys behind ghost baby was also part of club clau. 

 

I never went to clau but I have seen videos and I'm genuinely curious why it was so popular with the occasional celebs?

1 hour ago, Robuu said:

 

Actually, you wouldn't find it in NYC or just about anywhere else, because other places don't generally have 1800s lagering cellars. That plus the CSO collaboration, plus the owners aggressively seeking media attention, is why there's so much hype.

Not a lagering cellar but how about an ice cage? I've actually been to this bar, but I did not partake in the ice cage.

 

http://mehanatanyc.com/ice-cage/

 

 

Edited November 22, 20195 yr by DEPACincy

The "ice cage" falls into the "anyone could do this" category, if I'm understanding it correctly. NYC could do some more creative things with abandoned subway tunnels or the like that would be more like Ghost Baby and uniquish.

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

Not a lagering cellar but how about an ice cage? I've actually been to this bar, but I did not partake in the ice cage.

 

http://mehanatanyc.com/ice-cage/

 

 

 

Take up to 5 shots in 2 minutes...isnt the potentially illegal and the bar could be held liable and prosecuted in court if a person becomes drunk and commits a fatal dui?

23 minutes ago, Robuu said:

The "ice cage" falls into the "anyone could do this" category, if I'm understanding it correctly. NYC could do some more creative things with abandoned subway tunnels or the like that would be more like Ghost Baby and uniquish.

 

Right. I just thought it was really funny. It's a cheap gimmick. 

23 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Take up to 5 shots in 2 minutes...isnt the potentially illegal and the bar could be held liable and prosecuted in court if a person becomes drunk and commits a fatal dui?

 

You sign a release. But aside from that, it's on the Lower East Side. No one is driving there.

Saw this OTR community council agenda and thought some of the items mentioned were interesting. 

 

Does anyone know what the planned business is for 1304 main Street? I believe those are the buildings adjacent to St Mary's that were previously boarded up, but has continuous work being done on them now. 

 

Also it looks like the FCC related Findley market adjacent parking garage is also moving ahead. 

 

I'm curious though, I always hear how a parking garage near Findley market will help elevate that area of OTR. I guess my question is, in what way? 

OTR Community Council writing a letter in support of something doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to happen. See: Liberty Street Road Diet.

1 hour ago, troeros said:

I'm curious though, I always hear how a parking garage near Findley market will help elevate that area of OTR. I guess my question is, in what way? 

The area around the Market (frankly anywhere north of Liberty Street) does not have any structured parking. The redevelopment of this area is driving parking scarcity and will only continue as development increases there and on Vine Street north of Liberty. While generally easily accessible via the streetcar from parking garages located in southern OTR and downtown, most office workers, casual visitors, and residents don't use it and want more convenient parking. 

1 hour ago, taestell said:

OTR Community Council writing a letter in support of something doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to happen. See: Liberty Street Road Diet.

 

No it means that something is being presented and they are giving a letter of support towards the said presentation which I assume is in reference to Hamilton county presenting a parking garage in the Findley market area, which is what Hamilton County had set out to do initially.

25 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

No it means that something is being presented and they are giving a letter of support towards the said presentation which I assume is in reference to Hamilton county presenting a parking garage in the Findley market area, which is what Hamilton County had set out to do initially.

Stop making up things. Nowhere does it say a specific plan was presented to the Community Council. No public presentation of a county garage has ever been made to the community. If you actually read the letter it is very aspirational and has no actual detail.

 

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/a0d305fdbfaa9bd9b0bf72a30/files/0ed549ce-486d-4fd0-8b1d-2696ba9dac92/P_T_letter_re_parking_garage_FINAL.pdf

 

And it's "FINDLAY". 

46 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

Stop making up things. Nowhere does it say a specific plan was presented to the Community Council. No public presentation of a county garage has ever been made to the community. If you actually read the letter it is very aspirational and has no actual detail.

 

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/a0d305fdbfaa9bd9b0bf72a30/files/0ed549ce-486d-4fd0-8b1d-2696ba9dac92/P_T_letter_re_parking_garage_FINAL.pdf

 

And it's "FINDLAY". 

 

Hamilton county commissioner was just quoted in the business journal how their goal and expectation is for a Findley market garage. 

 

Isnt hamilton county ultimately in control of the funds they promised FCC Cincinnati for the structured parking portion. 

52 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

Stop making up things. Nowhere does it say a specific plan was presented to the Community Council. No public presentation of a county garage has ever been made to the community. If you actually read the letter it is very aspirational and has no actual detail.

 

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/a0d305fdbfaa9bd9b0bf72a30/files/0ed549ce-486d-4fd0-8b1d-2696ba9dac92/P_T_letter_re_parking_garage_FINAL.pdf

 

 

 

Has there been any conversation regarding the character of this garage?   Would it be underground and/or incorporated into a development?

 

I continue to be disturbed by the fact that 3CDC has only built two underground garages - each below parks. 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Has there been any conversation regarding the character of this garage?   Would it be underground and/or incorporated into a development?

 

I continue to be disturbed by the fact that 3CDC has only built two underground garages - each below parks. 

 

 

 

 

I would hope it's a mixed use garage but I doubt it.

9 hours ago, mcmicken said:

And it's "FINDLAY". 

 

9 hours ago, troeros said:

 

Hamilton county commissioner was just quoted in the business journal how their goal and expectation is for a Findley market garage. 

 

Are you seriously unable to get this after multiple forumers have pointed it out to you or are you just trolling?

5 minutes ago, JYP said:

 

 

Are you seriously unable to get this after multiple forumers have pointed it out to you or are you just trolling?

 

Im not in college anymore where I am being graded by my professor on spelling.

 

This is the internet where people post memes of cats and make a million dollars taking half naked selfies on Instagram. Relax, this isn't our corporate office email chain. 

 

 

11 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Has there been any conversation regarding the character of this garage?   Would it be underground and/or incorporated into a development?

 

I continue to be disturbed by the fact that 3CDC has only built two underground garages - each below parks. 

 

No details around the character of the proposed garage have been finalized. The letter was simply to voice that the Community Council agrees that having a parking garage near Findlay Market would be good for the neighborhood, and superior to having all parking consolidated at the FCC stadium site. At Monday's OTRCC meeting, the letter passed with overwhelming support (I think there was 1 dissenting vote). Hopefully, the County Commissioners will continue to press for the "multi garage approach".

 

In terms of design, because it's within the OTR Historic District, any new construction would have to go before the Historic Conservation Board. Joe Hansbauer did say that an idea had been proposed for putting some office on top of the parking garage. But nothing has been finalized or confirmed. Personally, I think adding more office space near the market would be good for the neighborhood (increasing business to Findlay Market and helping drive demand for housing), and would be a good way for the County to make more revenue from parking throughout the year. 

2 hours ago, troeros said:

Im not in college anymore where I am being graded by my professor on spelling.

 

This is the internet where people post memes of cats and make a million dollars taking half naked selfies on Instagram. Relax, this isn't our corporate office email chain. 

 

Repeatedly mis-spelling names is not about "grammar". It's about being respectful to people and organizations. You've been corrected multiple times and continue to write "Findley". You post a lot on this forum, and so it shows you spend a lot of time and energy thinking about these places. Please show some respect by writing "Findlay" correctly. 

4 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

No details around the character of the proposed garage have been finalized. The letter was simply to voice that the Community Council agrees that having a parking garage near Findlay Market would be good for the neighborhood, and superior to having all parking consolidated at the FCC stadium site. At Monday's OTRCC meeting, the letter passed with overwhelming support (I think there was 1 dissenting vote). Hopefully, the County Commissioners will continue to press for the "multi garage approach".

 

In terms of design, because it's within the OTR Historic District, any new construction would have to go before the Historic Conservation Board. Joe Hansbauer did say that an idea had been proposed for putting some office on top of the parking garage. But nothing has been finalized or confirmed. Personally, I think adding more office space near the market would be good for the neighborhood (increasing business to Findlay Market and helping drive demand for housing), and would be a good way for the County to make more revenue from parking throughout the year. 

 

I think a garage for sure would make a lot more money at the Market than at the FCC site throughout the year. I love going to Findlay but this past year holy cow, hard to find any type of parking at all. Normally would park and have to walk 5 blocks or so. Getting some structured parking would really help more businesses for 1 thing, to get those quicker sales by people dropping in quick, and 2, would help stop the creation of MORE surface lots and encourage more development.

 

I don't think 1 garage is going to do it in the Findlay area, they are going to need to build at least 2 (probably with the Freeport Row Project) and then probably need a couple garages on Vine Street over there before enough is built to help with development and induced demand.

2 hours ago, troeros said:

 

Im not in college anymore where I am being graded by my professor on spelling.

 

This is the internet where people post memes of cats and make a million dollars taking half naked selfies on Instagram. Relax, this isn't our corporate office email chain. 

 

 

 

Troeros I enjoy your posts and think you have a lot of insightful opinions, etc. This isn't the biggest deal in the world but it would be like if I continually called you the wrong name. We are a community here within the greater community so we like our favorite places to be called by and spelled correctly, it's more out of respect for the community, our home which we all share and care and love together, than anything about correcting you on grammar.

57 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

No details around the character of the proposed garage have been finalized. The letter was simply to voice that the Community Council agrees that having a parking garage near Findlay Market would be good for the neighborhood, and superior to having all parking consolidated at the FCC stadium site. At Monday's OTRCC meeting, the letter passed with overwhelming support (I think there was 1 dissenting vote). Hopefully, the County Commissioners will continue to press for the "multi garage approach".

 

In terms of design, because it's within the OTR Historic District, any new construction would have to go before the Historic Conservation Board. Joe Hansbauer did say that an idea had been proposed for putting some office on top of the parking garage. But nothing has been finalized or confirmed. Personally, I think adding more office space near the market would be good for the neighborhood (increasing business to Findlay Market and helping drive demand for housing), and would be a good way for the County to make more revenue from parking throughout the year. 

 

Hopefully the county intends to engage with Joe Hansbauer/Corporation for Findlay Market as a true partner on this project. I think one of the lots on Elder Street between Central Parkway and Elm Street would be the perfect place for a garage that would support both Findlay Market and the stadium. Additionally, this could provided the needed parking for additional development on the remaining lots. I know Model Group wants to build a new apartment building adjacent to the Parkway Towers building (which they also own and plan to renovate), and if the county builds a garage nearby, that could potentially satisfy the parking demand for those residents.

41 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

Hopefully the county intends to engage with Joe Hansbauer/Corporation for Findlay Market as a true partner on this project. I think one of the lots on Elder Street between Central Parkway and Elm Street would be the perfect place for a garage that would support both Findlay Market and the stadium. Additionally, this could provided the needed parking for additional development on the remaining lots. I know Model Group wants to build a new apartment building adjacent to the Parkway Towers building (which they also own and plan to renovate), and if the county builds a garage nearby, that could potentially satisfy the parking demand for those residents.

 

We are running out of publicly-owned lots and so if building affordable and low-income housing is any sort of goal, these are the places to do it rather than attempt to buy large parcels at market rate or ignore the matter altogether.  I recognize the irony in building housing for people who probably can't afford cars above a public parking garage, but that's where we're at.  

 

I think building a garage similar to the county's circa-1997 garage on Sycamore is a mistake.   There is potential to build a very large underground garage that extends beneath Logan & Elder streets:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1154783,-84.5210325,3a,75y,174.01h,82.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGZrzFhdlDHqhPBKxuecszQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

 

Underground garages are always preferable but they can cost 2-3 times more.  When the government is paying for it I would always expect them to go the least expensive route.  Not that;s I'd ever expect it to happen but I wish the county would look into an automated below ground parking garage.  They take up a lot less space and can be cheaper then a normal parking garage.  Japan has lots of them due to their lack of space.  

In a neighborhood with height restrictions, it's easy to see how building an underground garage could be more economical in the long run. It enables building more rentable/marketable space above the garage. Or, as @jmecklenborg said, it enables building affordable/low-income housing on land already publicly-owned.

6 hours ago, troeros said:

This is the internet where people post memes of cats and make a million dollars taking half naked selfies on Instagram. Relax, this isn't our corporate office email chain. 

 

UrbanOhio is neither a meme hosting platform nor a general purpose social network. It is supposed to be a place where people--whether they be architects, urban planners, transportation professionals, or simply city enthusiasts--can have educated discussions about Ohio's cities and related urban issues. Please be respectful to the other people on this forum who do this stuff for a living or spend their spare time volunteering for their community council or other organizations. Saying "this is just the internet, so who cares" is disrespectful to the many people who do care about having meaningful discussions on this forum.

On 11/27/2019 at 10:35 PM, troeros said:

 

Im not in college anymore where I am being graded by my professor on spelling.

 

This is the internet where people post memes of cats and make a million dollars taking half naked selfies on Instagram. Relax, this isn't our corporate office email chain. 

 

 

 

You went to college? Perhaps your professor didn’t grade you harshly enough. 

 

If you would like to be taken seriously and have effective communication, things like spelling and grammar matter.  Hence, why no one takes you seriously.  

Edited November 30, 20195 yr by jeremyck01