June 6, 200718 yr What I would love to see on Broadway Commons is a vast greenspace which would extend down the center of Central Parkway in a similar fashion to Piatt Park. That's not a half bad idea...and I've never heard anyone suggest that before. I would pay an 8% sales tax if we buy the sacremento kings and build them an arena on Broadway commons. Agreed...I too would pay an 8% sales tax to have the Royals back...maybe build the arena in the same area as the Gardens. There seems to be enough land for it there, and would give that area a kick in the pants.
June 6, 200718 yr Central Parkway is the great untapped resource of downtown. If 3CDC could get developers to build a row of residential buildings along the boulevard, you could really have something. For instance: In the center of the street: Boston's Public Garden: A model for Broadway Commons?
June 6, 200718 yr Author Central Parkway is the great untapped resource of downtown. If 3CDC could get developers to build a row of residential buildings along the boulevard, you could really have something. A UC planning class did a neat study/renderings on this very subject several years ago. I think I have a copy and will try to dig it up.
June 6, 200718 yr Great ideas. One important part about the Broadway commons site is Eggleston, which was the extension of the canal to the river. It is still the easiest way for many of us to access the river. If Eggelston was an extension of the parkway/park, terminating at the river...
June 6, 200718 yr I also like the greenspace idea. Broadway commons would be the ideal main light rail hub with subway portal just to the west :-) A rehabbed greyhound station and a link to the streetcar line on eggleston.
June 6, 200718 yr The Gateway Quarter has a MySpace page and has added a bunch of photos from the tour of living on June 3rd. You can view them here!
June 12, 200718 yr I have heard rumblings from a few people this weekend about Christian Moerlein scouting the Gateway Quarter for a brewpub. Obviously just rumors at this point, but wow would this make Vine the place to be!
June 12, 200718 yr So over the weekend I went and checked out Metronation, City Roots, and Park + Vine. Really liked all stores and just a great feel. Metronation is huge; A lot bigger than their old location. City Roots is still getting stuff in (as is Metronation) but they have fresh-cut flowers so I bought some of those. Park + Vine has just a range of stuff and I didn't think prices were too bad. For instance I didn't think the price of Seventh Generation Laundry Detergent was much different than Tide. Picked up a few things and there was a photograph on the wall that I really liked . . reasonably priced I guess but didn't break down to purchase . . yet (if still there). In other news, signes are on some of the storefronts of new tenants. MiCA in O'Bryonville is opening a location "in the Q" and there was a sign for a salon/spa place in the Ducanson Building as well. I think I read at least one more but can't remember.
June 12, 200718 yr From shopmica.com website: The news is out! We’re opening a second store in the beautiful, newly rehabbed area in Over the Rhine called “the Gateway Quarter”, or “the Q” for short. If you haven’t been to 12th & Vine in a while, check it out - the changes that have occurred in the last few months are amazing. Look for “MiCA in the Q” to open September 15 (or so), 2007, and check back here often to see progress reports. Thanks to all our friends and family who voted on the name. We’re going with the vote for now, which was “MiCA in the Q” by far, although Carolyn still loves the sound of “MiCA 12th & Vine”, so we might try that one on for a while too. The new store will feature local artists and designers creating work with a slightly “urban” feel, some of our favorites from MiCA contemporary craft, like angela adams and Wingard, and new surprises, too! We’ll be joining MetroNation, Park & Vine and can’t wait for the new restaurant by Jean-Robert a few doors down. Look for the announcement of the Opening Bash! Then come down and have a glass of wine with us, listen to some music, and see the new space.
June 12, 200718 yr this area is really exploding. are there any affordable apartments in the Q? I am in the market for an apt. and I would love to live here!
June 13, 200718 yr The store owners are absolutely fantastic...I met Dan, from Park + Vine, and he was really cool. We just chatted it up for a little while...very welcoming and just great environments overall!
June 13, 200718 yr If one was looking to rehab an existing building in OTR to the tune of 120-200 or so rental units with a very urban/lofty feel, do any of you have suggestions on any particular buildings or areas to look at? Could be old warehouse, school, church, brewery, etc. I'm looking for something with characteristically unique architecture to preserve. Would prefer to be on the south side of the district and near the more artsy areas. Any suggestions would be appreciated as I begin the search for just the right building.
June 13, 200718 yr A great place to start would be to come to the Over the Rhine Brewery District meeting tonight Wednesday June 13, 2007 5:30 P. M. Meeting to be hosted by Mike Bootes, 132 East McMicken Avenue (Over- the-Rhine Boatworks) *Look for the Brewery District sign* that is the place where you can find about two dozen over the rhine developers and property owners. Every meeting starts with about half an hour to an hour of socializing so make some contacts, they know the market.
June 13, 200718 yr If one was looking to rehab an existing building in OTR to the tune of 120-200 or so rental units with a very urban/lofty feel, do any of you have suggestions on any particular buildings or areas to look at? Could be old warehouse, school, church, brewery, etc. I'm looking for something with characteristically unique architecture to preserve. Would prefer to be on the south side of the district and near the more artsy areas. Any suggestions would be appreciated as I begin the search for just the right building. 120 - 200 units? I'm not sure of any building in OTR that would fit that many. Most of the larger buildings that would be suited to a project of that size would be in the Brewery District, north of Liberty.
June 13, 200718 yr That is a lot of units for south of say Liberty. I would also suggest Over the Rhine Chamber of Commerce or the Over the Rhine Foundation. Mike Morgan (Ex. Dir of OTR Foundation and Brewery District) would probably be at the meeting tonight and he'd be a good source. And I am sure folks like Michael Redmond on this board could also help. Largest single building I can think of off the top of my head south of Liberty other than say the current SCPA (which will eventually be empty) is the peeling grey brick building on 12th behind the YMCA. It may have storage in it. Sorry I don't have a name or an actual address. I can do some digging . . .
June 13, 200718 yr A cool area within the Brewery District is up on the hill towards Clifton Heights, where the Metal Blast building is. This area is very impressive where the hills slope down and meet the historic brick buildings of Over-the-Rhine. I would concur with BallHatGuy's suggestion of The School for the Creative and Performing Arts building: This site would be a popular spot for condos because it overlooks a nice greenspace in beautiful Pendleton: One of the great things about OTR is the array of historic churches that dot the neighborhood. I would suggest looking into this church at 15th and Race Street. 3CDC has bought up alot of property around this church and it could be a good place to put in a unique condo conversion.
June 13, 200718 yr Terrific suggestions. I love the look of all three of those, and the SPCA building looks to be very solid--from that picture. Any ideas on their time frame for exiting? Also, who would be a good contact person at 3CDC to bounce some ideas off of, and see what they may have for sale?
June 13, 200718 yr The plan is to move into the new SCPA by the summer of 2009. At 3CDC, a good person to talk to is Chad Munitz, the Executive Vice President for Development. Here is a link to the 3CDC staff: http://www.3cdc.org/content.jsp?articleId=99
June 13, 200718 yr the owner of the metal blast building is looking to develop it and is almost always at the brewery district meetings
June 13, 200718 yr Right, and like I said in the post, this is a really cool area with nice group of historic buildings. If the area is substantially renovated it could become a great district in the northern part of OTR. I should also mention that if the new streetcar proposal is implemented, it will link much of the neighborhood to downtown and the riverfront. This will add alot a value to areas such as the Brewery District.
June 13, 200718 yr And don't forget old St. John's Unitarian at Elm & 12th. http://www.huff.com/search/detail.php?MLNumber=1044091&PPropertyType=28&ListingAgentID=&frmaction=search It can't fit that many units but maybe add up some properties on 12th between Elm and Central Parkway . . . Great (potential) corner! Sorry I don't have a photos of the whole church . . .
June 13, 200718 yr Who is the owner of the Metal Blast building? I'll try to find him at the meeting tonight.
June 13, 200718 yr I think it's Denny Dellinger. He had big plans for the structure that he released to the media a couple of years ago. I haven't heard much about his plans recently. Some of the other Urban Ohio forumers might have more information on the building's ownership. The National Trust for Historic Preservation has a profile of the property on their website and they list Katrina Dellinger as the contact.
June 13, 200718 yr I think it's Denny Dellinger. He had big plans for the structure that he released to the media a couple of years ago. I haven't heard much about his plans recently. Some of the other Urban Ohio forumers might have more information on the building's ownership. The National Trust for Historic Preservation has a profile of the property on their website and they list Katrina Dellinger as the contact. Denny is the owner, and he'll be there tonight, he is the Secretary for the Brewery District CURC. I'll be there as well, I'm the Interim ED. I'll make sure to look for you. Steve
June 13, 200718 yr ^ Denny is correct in terms of contact I would guess. He's the person at the meetings, the Saints & Sinners Tour, and such.
June 13, 200718 yr I just stumbled acrossed that link myself when trying to find out more about the building. Even that may be a little too small, 50K sqft. Looks like in order to get the density I need, I may have to look towards new construction. Possibly something similar in styling to the Gateway Condos. Do people view that as too modern and a poor fit with the historic architecture? I'd rather preserve some existing buildings, but the only way to make it work financially seems to be to do something on a much larger scale.
June 13, 200718 yr Even that may be a little too small, 50K sqft. Looks like in order to get the density I need, I may have to look towards new construction. Possibly something similar in styling to the Gateway Condos. Do people view that as too modern and a poor fit with the historic architecture? I'd rather preserve some existing buildings, but the only way to make it work financially seems to be to do something on a much larger scale. The HCB guidelines allow for modern infill, as long as it maintains material, massing, window openings, etc. I don't think the Gateway I condos meet any of those requirements, and am not sure how they were approved. Personally I think modern design can fit in, but it takes a talented designer to get it to work. Another possible site might be the Moerlein Bottling Plant/KD Lamp on 1910 Elm. I believe it is for sale again after the Moerlein Gardens project fell through. Between the two buildings, I think the plans called for around a 100 units.
June 13, 200718 yr IPossibly something similar in styling to the Gateway Condos. Do people view that as too modern and a poor fit with the historic architecture? I'd rather preserve some existing buildings, but the only way to make it work financially seems to be to do something on a much larger scale. I'm not against new construction, but I do not care for the Gateway Condos. I've been inside a few of them, and I did not care for the floor plans very much. The layouts seemed awkward. For the price, I would have expected more high end finishes, but instead they had laminate countertops and such. They also have residential units on the first floor, which I would not want. I think it would be better to have either commerical units or common areas for the residents on the first floor. The Gateway Garage is even worse. I find it rather ugly.
June 13, 200718 yr Oh nice! I vividly recall the Metal Blast building! It's good to see it is on the list for reuse. Does anyone have information about this church?
June 13, 200718 yr ^^ I agree with mcmicken on both counts. Modern can work when done well. And personally, I do not think Gateway was done well. And the Moerlein Gardens project site I thought of as well as a possibility for the size you were thinking.
June 14, 200718 yr These are a little farther out, but are fantastic buildings...they are actually in the West End but here goes: Hamilton County Auditor Info 1101 YORK ST 54,642sf Hamilton County Auditor Info 1034 HULBERT AVE 98,114sf *this one is right next to the above property (south)...and also includes the white building on the far left in the image* Both have great accessibility to I-75 and great visibility from the interstate...these might one day be better for a commercial use, but they just scream loft living to me.
June 14, 200718 yr I am concerned about the idea of having commercial units on the first floor of every building that gets built. It is not practical. You end up with a bunch of empty offices/retail. It you look at big cities, they have specific areas that have commericial spaces in first floor buildings (i.e. Michigan Ave or State Street in Downtown Chicago). Those areas are surrounded by office or residential buildings that have no retail on the first floor or very limited retail. The important thing in any urban planning is to have desireable commercial space balanced with residential. too much commcercial space and you can end up with a bunch of empty windows which would make a street look dismal as you walk down the sidewalk.
June 14, 200718 yr Many of the buildings on the side streets do not have commercial storefront. For Vine, Main and a few others, commercial storefronts are totally appropriate.
June 14, 200718 yr The important thing in any urban planning is to have desireable commercial space balanced with residential. too much commcercial space and you can end up with a bunch of empty windows which would make a street look dismal as you walk down the sidewalk. When I said commercial I was referring more towards office uses...not retail as you are referring to. I agree, there would be an extreme abundance of retail space if every building has street-level retail. But that simply is not possible with many buildings.
June 14, 200718 yr The important thing in any urban planning is to have desireable commercial space balanced with residential. too much commcercial space and you can end up with a bunch of empty windows which would make a street look dismal as you walk down the sidewalk. Agreed, but much of the current stock that we have all have commercial spaces in them. For places like Main, and eventually Vine, we need to adopt a zero vacant store front policy. By this I mean we steal the idea that malls have been using for a long time, take empty storefronts and use them for advertising for other existing retail in the immediate and even not so immediate area. This solves three problems, first as people unfamiliar with the area drive down either Main or Vine they will have the feeling of activity-Second, and just as important, it can drive potential customers from one point to another within the same neighborhood-And finally, it could generate some much needed advertising revenue to our property owners, I believe people would prefer seeing an advertisement for Park&Vine in an empty store front on Main vs. just an empty white box. 1034 HULBERT AVE 98,114sf *this one is right next to the above property (south)...and also includes the white building on the far left in the image* I almost had this building sold a few months ago to a company out of Dayton that does Iron work. It is a great building.
June 14, 200718 yr I think a quick cheap way to fill up the storefronts would be to paint the walls white and use them as free/cheap galleries for the Art Academy CCM, DAAP, etc. until buyers can be found
June 14, 200718 yr I think a quick cheap way to fill up the storefronts would be to paint the walls white and use them as free/cheap galleries for the Art Academy CCM, DAAP, etc. until buyers can be found Absolutely, once again, a win win for both parties and it promotes an image of a boom in business, which will drive more business.
June 14, 200718 yr make two calls, one to the property owner/realtor and one to the career development officer/administrator at the school
June 14, 200718 yr I think a quick cheap way to fill up the storefronts would be to paint the walls white and use them as free/cheap galleries for the Art Academy CCM, DAAP, etc. until buyers can be found Absolutely, once again, a win win for both parties and it promotes an image of a boom in business, which will drive more business. That is a really good idea i had
June 14, 200718 yr I also think it is important to sit down and discuss this will all property owners in the area and explain to them that they are not just giving the space away for no reason. We assume that everyone is on the same page with us and ideas like these surely have popped into the head of the owners but you would be surprised.
June 14, 200718 yr You would have to watch that advertisement on empty storefronts. If anyone has been to where North Bend meets Harrison Ave in Cheviot, you will know what I mean. Tacky! The next thing you know Cashland and Elk & Elk got their mugs posted on the front of a building
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