December 4, 20186 yr On 11/30/2018 at 9:08 PM, GCrites80s said: Some of the NW 'burbs are the cheapest (not Evendale or Glendale) so that plays a factor. A lot of times they also want cheap commercial rents for their stores with the building still being from the '50s and later so that it doesn't have knob & tube wiring and all of those other old Cincinnati things from the 1920s left over. It's the same deal in Columbus with Morse Rd., 161 and now the Southeast Side. They get to open up in something that was a Radio Shack or a Merk Pi's only 5 years ago rather than having to rehab and old derby hat store that was last used in the 1940s. Yeah, as I've noted before, immigrant enclaves tend not to cluster in hot neighborhoods like OTR or Northside where the rent is rapidly rising!
December 5, 20186 yr 4 hours ago, Jimmy Skinner said: I hear that 3CDC is taking over DCI. ... What is DCI?
December 5, 20186 yr 16 minutes ago, troeros said: What is DCI? Downtown Cincinnati, Inc: https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/
December 6, 20186 yr 3 hours ago, troeros said: Good news the lacheys space has a tenant again! ...and you're not going to tell us why? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 6, 20186 yr Just a heads up Babushka Perogies is opening Friday at 1200 main at the old royal spot. It will be a carry out window operating from 7pm to 2:30 am.Open only on weekends. Will feature classic perogies, Cincinnati chili perogies and pizza perogies. Also will feature Russian tea. The vodka bar is still on track for early next year. Nice to see this ongoing trend of carryout windows opening throughout otr. Now we currently have: Philly cheese steak Window Boom Box Buns Perogies Window Gomez Window Goodfellas Lucy Blue Glad to see otr late night options expanding slowly but surely. Edited December 6, 20186 yr by troeros
December 6, 20186 yr 3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: The new thing at Race & Liberty looks like it's going to have a window. Correct they will have a carry out taco window. Also Zundo is open till 2:30 am on the weekends and Taste of Belgium is now open till 1 am as well.
December 10, 20186 yr This post talks about a new bar on Main St that will be opening soon... not sure which bar it will be, but looks like it's going to have a gorgeous stained glass ceiling:
December 10, 20186 yr 1 hour ago, taestell said: This is a total guess, but could that be the Platform bar at 12th & Main? That was my thought as well, since I don't know of any other soon-to-open bars on Main. And it must have been quite expensive to get this stain-glassed ceiling, so it must be from a well-capitalized owner (like Platform).
December 10, 20186 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: That was my thought as well, since I don't know of any other soon-to-open bars on Main. And it must have been quite expen sive to get this stain-glassed ceiling, so it must be from a well-capitalized owner (like Platform). That is a safe assumption. There is also the new bar on main St behind the folks from road tripper's. It's on the opposite side of the the street from liberty bar and bottle. I believe it's called Garden Bar and Bizarre but I'm not sure how far they are away from opening.
December 11, 20186 yr Its going in the perogi/vodka bar. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
December 11, 20186 yr 1 hour ago, JYP said: Its going in the perogi/vodka bar. Didn't realize they had that kind of money.
December 11, 20186 yr 14 hours ago, troeros said: Didn't realize they had that kind of money. I’d assume this is something the building owner is installing rather than the tenant. Not sure what that portion of the ceiling looked like previously, but it would seem unlikely that a tenant would be able to leave a giant hole in the ceiling if/when they move out of the space.
December 11, 20186 yr I thought her pierogi place was a walk-up window. Do they have indoor seating as well? When do they open?
December 11, 20186 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: I thought her pierogi place was a walk-up window. Do they have indoor seating as well? When do they open? Before next March is what I heard. It will be a sit down European restaurant with a vodka bar. The walk up window is phase 1.
December 12, 20186 yr 3CDC and OTR Community Housing received historic tax credits for two buildings on Vine St: Quote 1513 Vine Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $3,138,993 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Address: 1513 Vine Street, Cincinnati, 45202 A project undertaken by Over-the-Rhine Community Housing in collaboration with 3CDC, 1513 Vine Street will be rehabilitated to its original function: eight affordable residential units above a first-floor commercial space. The four-story building was built in the late 19th century and is currently vacant. 1517 Vine Street (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $2,388,364 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Address: 1517 Vine Street, Cincinnati, 45202 The building at 1517 Vine Street in the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood will be rehabilitated by Over-the-Rhine Community Housing and 3CDC into six affordable rental units plus restaurant space on the first floor. Dating to the 1890s, the building exemplifies the Italianate style of architecture found in the neighborhood.
December 12, 20186 yr A couple of buildings up on Mohawk will be renovated into six apartments. The owners are recipients of the latest round of historic tax credits: Quote 222-226 Mohawk (Cincinnati, Hamilton County) Total Project Cost: $1,159,779 Total Tax Credit: $227,000 Address: 222-226 Mohawk, Cincinnati, 45214 The two residential buildings on Mohawk Street in Cincinnati were built around 1865. After approximately 130 years of use, they fell into severe disrepair and are vacant. Recently acquired by the Hamilton County Land Bank before being transferred to the applicant, the buildings will be rehabilitated into six new apartments.
December 12, 20186 yr 1629 Pleasant St approved for rehab by the HCB. Seems like pleasant Street will be fully gentrified, rehabbed and completely infilled from North to South of liberty in the next few years.
December 14, 20186 yr Developer to restore 2 historical OTR buildings A Cincinnati real estate developer plans to restore two historical buildings in Over-the-Rhine. The building at 226 Mohawk St. will become two apartments. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/14/developer-to-restore-2-historical-otr-buildings.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 16, 20186 yr Saw an Instagram post that there is a new lease for where Lacheys bar used to be. Not sure what it’s going to be though.
December 16, 20186 yr 25 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Saw an Instagram post that there is a new lease for where Lacheys bar used to be. Not sure what it’s going to be though. Probably someone with deep pockets. Wouldn't be surprised if it's already an established group in otr like Thunderdome group or 4EG..that lacheys space is really large and from what I understand is a very expensive location.
December 17, 20186 yr OTR parking permits launch Over-the-Rhine residents can submit applications for parking permits to the city of Cincinnati starting today. Residents who live within the Special Parking Permit Area, which runs east along Liberty Street, south on Sycamore, west on Central Parkway and north on Central Parkway back to Liberty, can pay $60 annually for a street parking permit. The passes will officially go into effect on Jan. 1. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/17/otr-parking-permits-launch.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 18, 20186 yr Thunderdome group is going to open a new Italian-themed restaurant, going into the commercial space at 1501 Vine St. This Enquirer article gets the address wrong (says it's going in at 1434 Vine), but I'm pretty sure the correct address is 1501 Vine: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/12/18/thunderdome-opening-italian-restaurant-vine-street-otr/2336833002/ Here's the 3CDC brochure on the property: https://www.3cdc.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2017/06/1501-Vine-reduced.pdf
December 18, 20186 yr 30 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Thunderdome group is going to open a new Italian-themed restaurant, going into the commercial space at 1501 Vine St. This Enquirer article gets the address wrong (says it's going in at 1434 Vine), but I'm pretty sure the correct address is 1501 Vine: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/12/18/thunderdome-opening-italian-restaurant-vine-street-otr/2336833002/ Here's the 3CDC brochure on the property: https://www.3cdc.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2017/06/1501-Vine-reduced.pdf Glad to see it’s an Italian restaurant. Don’t believe there really has been any new Italian ones opened in OTR.
December 18, 20186 yr 50 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Thunderdome group is going to open a new Italian-themed restaurant, going into the commercial space at 1501 Vine St. This Enquirer article gets the address wrong (says it's going in at 1434 Vine), but I'm pretty sure the correct address is 1501 Vine: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/12/18/thunderdome-opening-italian-restaurant-vine-street-otr/2336833002/ Here's the 3CDC brochure on the property: https://www.3cdc.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2017/06/1501-Vine-reduced.pdf 1501 Vine is not a 3CDC project (though they may be marketing it), it is one of the few on Vine done by a private developer. Jacob Vener did this project, which was a weird one-off as most of his properties were poorly run multi-family Denhart cast offs. Condos on the upper floors, along with a commercial condo for this space. I wonder if Thunderdome is buying the commercial condo or leasing it? Interesting as well is the article talks about using the basement for seating in addition to the main floor. There are basement vaults under both sidewalks in the building. I'm assuming they were repaired when Jacob renovated the building but when I was in there 5 years ago they were pretty sketchy structurally.
December 18, 20186 yr 16 minutes ago, mcmicken said: 1501 Vine is not a 3CDC project (though they may be marketing it), it is one of the few on Vine done by a private developer. Jacob Vener did this project, which was a weird one-off as most of his properties were poorly run multi-family Denhart cast offs. Condos on the upper floors, along with a commercial condo for this space. I wonder if Thunderdome is buying the commercial condo or leasing it? Interesting as well is the article talks about using the basement for seating in addition to the main floor. There are basement vaults under both sidewalks in the building. I'm assuming they were repaired when Jacob renovated the building but when I was in there 5 years ago they were pretty sketchy structurally. Interesting! I was also confused when the article mentioned 3CDC since I didn't think they owned 1501. I guess they're just somehow helping with the commercial space.
December 18, 20186 yr 19 minutes ago, mcmicken said: Interesting as well is the article talks about using the basement for seating in addition to the main floor. There are basement vaults under both sidewalks in the building. I'm assuming they were repaired when Jacob renovated the building but when I was in there 5 years ago they were pretty sketchy structurally. Is it similar to Myrtle's basement? The problem with that basement is that there might be a crowd down there but there is no way to know from the street, and so Myrtle's looks pretty dead most of the time.
December 18, 20186 yr Talk about an OTR success story. Thunderdome group is exceptionally well run restaurant group. All of there ventures have been a home run in Cincy and in other cities as well (the Bakersfield in Indy is always packed). They know there stuff. I'm just slightly surprised there isn't a currito in OTR. I know there is one in the CBD but you would think they would add a currito in OTR and cater to the office crowd that work there that want something to grab and go.
December 18, 20186 yr 47 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Interesting! I was also confused when the article mentioned 3CDC since I didn't think they owned 1501. I guess they're just somehow helping with the commercial space. Looks like 3CDC purchased the commercial condo and they're leasing it to Thunderdome https://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0810004045100/2017/summary
December 19, 20186 yr Author Bakersfield, Eagle founders plan new OTR concept Thunderdome Restaurant Group, which owns Bakersfield and the Eagle, is planning a new restaurant on Vine Street in Over-the-Rhine. The yet-to-be-named Italian eatery will feature fresh pasta served in traditional and more creative styles, the Enquirer reports. The restaurant will be located on two floors at 1434 Vine St. and have seating for about 100 diners. more
December 19, 20186 yr I don't get why, at this point, 3CDC is still treating Thunderdome restaurants as meeting their "non-chain" requirement.
December 19, 20186 yr Just now, Robuu said: I don't get why, at this point, 3CDC is still treating Thunderdome restaurants as meeting their "non-chain" requirement. They've only "chained" out their restaurants after they've been successful here. So the Eagle and Bakersfiled we have are the original locations while the ones in other cities are the chains/franchises. Why would you not want one of the most successful restaurant groups in the city to open more new spots?
December 19, 20186 yr 4 minutes ago, Robuu said: I don't get why, at this point, 3CDC is still treating Thunderdome restaurants as meeting their "non-chain" requirement. 3CDC wants high quality that is tailored to the specific space/needs of OTR. I don't think 3CDC is opposed to "chains" per se... they just don't want tenants with an overly rigid model try to plot down on Vine St without any consideration for what makes Vine St unique. A new concept from a successful local restaurant group is exactly what 3CDC wants on Vine St. You can deride Thunderdome for expanding outside of Cincinnati, but I don't think 3CDC (or most people) view that as a liability at all.
December 19, 20186 yr I'm with Robuu in that I feel like 3CDC is being overly picky in this regard. Is it ok for other "local chains" to open up in OTR, just like Thunderdome has done elsewhere? Would a one-off second location of Indy's famous Milktooth be acceptable? What about Hattie B's, which already has a number of locations around the south? I get that 3CDC wants OTR to be locally-focused and unique, but is it really unique if someone from Indianapolis visits and finds all of the same restaurants on Vine Street that they have back home along Mass Ave? Thunderdome is especially egregious in this regard because there's nothing particularly "Cincinnati-focused" about their brands, so there's really nothing that would make a visitor want to see the "original location" when they visit Cincinnati. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
December 19, 20186 yr The Banks is set up to cater to that type of national chain or even Ftn Square or pretty much every area of downtown. OTR is almost like a food incubator where local chefs can try and grow their talent. If done right and not poisoned by national chain presence it can get a French Quarter feel to it, which is what I think 3CDC is attempting to do here. I spend a lot of time in Indy and Columbus and I feel a lot of sameness between both those cities. There is no character and they are dominated by the chain establishments. The local places compete next to a chain place and you feel like you can be anywhere USA when you are in those cities. THey are both bland as far as I am concerned. With OTR, you have the opportunity and it appears they are seizing on it, to put its location on the National map as a place to be for foodies. That is the long goal here I believe.
December 19, 20186 yr They allegedly wouldn't rent space to Aladdin's because it was a chain. It's a regional chain based out of Cleveland with ~30 locations. It isn't a Five Guys or Chipotle. I thought that was a weird decision.
December 19, 20186 yr 11 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: They allegedly wouldn't rent space to Aladdin's because it was a chain. It's a regional chain based out of Cleveland with ~30 locations. It isn't a Five Guys or Chipotle. I thought that was a weird decision. What space were they looking at?
December 19, 20186 yr I guess there are mixed-messages on what 3CDC's rules actually are. Or maybe they don't really have rules, but decide on a case-by-case basis. For my personal taste, the Thunderdome brand is getting really watered down. And it's disappointing that Vine Street, High Street, and Mass Ave are all starting to feel a bit samey with the Bakersfields and Eagles. You know how tech companies "reinvent" things like public transportation? It feels a bit like Thunderdome has done that with the chain restaurant, but in a way that people are slow to pick up on it. They've commodified/McDonaldized the twenty-teens' concept of authenticity.
December 19, 20186 yr 3CDC has always been open to chains but they have to be new to Cincy. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
December 19, 20186 yr On 12/6/2018 at 5:31 PM, troeros said: Correct they will have a carry out taco window. In addition to the taco window, they have painted a sign for "Holiday Spirits". I don't know what that means, especially since the "holiday" season is well underway and they're not near opening. Maybe they'll re-paint the sign seasonally?
December 19, 20186 yr 45 minutes ago, jwulsin said: In addition to the taco window, they have painted a sign for "Holiday Spirits". I don't know what that means, especially since the "holiday" season is well underway and they're not near opening. Maybe they'll re-paint the sign seasonally? I feel like I read somewhere that the name of the bar was going to have holiday in it. I could be wrong though
December 19, 20186 yr Holiday sports is the name of the bar. Not really connected with Christmas, more so with the British meaning of holiday.
December 20, 20186 yr 3CDC and DCI have merged, with DCI becoming a subsidiary of 3CDC: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/3-cdc-dci-merge-spur-development-south-otr/2368124002/ https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/20/downtown-cincinnati-inc-to-join-3cdc.html Edited December 20, 20186 yr by jwulsin
December 20, 20186 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: 3CDC and DCI have merged, with DCI becoming a subsidiary of 3CDC: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/3-cdc-dci-merge-spur-development-south-otr/2368124002/ https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/20/downtown-cincinnati-inc-to-join-3cdc.html I hope somehow, someway this leads to free streetcar fares. I read somewhere the gap that needs to be closed is not much ($200k/year? Don’t quote me on that!) when you subtract how much they have to pay to collect the fares. Edited December 20, 20186 yr by thebillshark www.cincinnatiideas.com
December 20, 20186 yr I was surprised in the Business Courier article that 3CDC emphasized the DCI money will only be spent in Downtown, and did not mention the possibility of extending the district or enacting a separate district for OTR.
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