21 hours ago, Largue said:

I love "renderings" that are just screengrabs from Sketchup. At least put a LITTLE effort into it.

Maybe effort was put and they still posted an old image.

Cincinnati.com: Teak is reopening, bringing Thai to a new neighborhood

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2019/04/26/teak-thai-restaurant-reopening-over-rhine-near-washington-park/3552799002/

 

 

Officially official. Teak was one of the best resturaunts in Mt Adams during it's heyday and will be easily one of the top resturaunts in otr if it can mimic it's early success

Google maps already has it listed at 1200 Race. 

All week I've been hearing about people from my work going down to Nashville to party on Broadway Street, and how Nashville is such a fantastic city. I've even seen that Nashville have begun offer Double Decker bus tours around Nashville, as if it's some grand city like NYC/Chicago/London. It's popularity has become nuts (and there's really not much to do in nashville if your not into drinking heavily and simultaneously listen to country music)...

 

Then I think to myself, Nashville is essentially defined by Broadway Street. People are going down in droves to party on Broadway St...Yet I'm over here thinking to myself OTR has essentially more bars (probably double) than all of Broadway Street. Maybe it's not as compact (most of Broadway st bars are in the span of a few blocks), but I'm still wondering why the hell people are so obsessed with Broadway St and Nashville when OTR is essentially offering the same thing minus the 3am last call, and live country music.

 

It makes me wonder if Broadway St, and it's night life can be a huge reason for Nashville tourism and growth...why can't we do the same for OTR and Cincinnati? 

Edited April 26, 20196 yr by troeros

Is open container allowed on Broadway in Nashville? I really enjoyed walking around the French Quarter and other New Orleans neighborhoods while carrying around a drink. I’m not even a big drinker, but just being able to walk around with one felt nice and encouraged movement through the neighborhood rather than staying in one or two establishments. It seems like this might be a good idea for OTR, though it could also get kind of rowdy.  

15 minutes ago, edale said:

Is open container allowed on Broadway in Nashville? I really enjoyed walking around the French Quarter and other New Orleans neighborhoods while carrying around a drink. I’m not even a big drinker, but just being able to walk around with one felt nice and encouraged movement through the neighborhood rather than staying in one or two establishments. It seems like this might be a good idea for OTR, though it could also get kind of rowdy.  

 

Broadway street is open container. But again, it's not this massive historic district or anything of that nature. It's a street that stretches a fee blocks long, lined up with the same type of honkey tonk live country music bar, copy/pasted throughout. 

 

I just don't get why literally everyone goes there for their bachelor/bachelorette parties. Also, this is Nashville's main night life spot. It's not like cincinnati where you have OTR, Covington, The Banks, Northside, etc where you can have a vast rotating entertainment neighborhood options.

 

It's literally a street, with the same bars, and that's it. And it is being crowned as the jewel of Nashville and the premier party destination in America and the #1 reason for Nashville's popularity and growth as a city. 

 

If we can leverage OTR the same way Nashville leverages Broadway St then Cincinnati can also have bachelorettes crying about the NFL draft ruing their wonderful planned party weekend. 

 

 

Please for the love of all that's Holy don't wish bachelorette parties on to Vine street! We can do better than that! Love to all the ladies and all that but no, just no. 

 

 

On 4/26/2019 at 5:53 PM, troeros said:

 

Broadway street is open container. But again, it's not this massive historic district or anything of that nature. It's a street that stretches a fee blocks long, lined up with the same type of honkey tonk live country music bar, copy/pasted throughout. 

 

I just don't get why literally everyone goes there for their bachelor/bachelorette parties. Also, this is Nashville's main night life spot. It's not like cincinnati where you have OTR, Covington, The Banks, Northside, etc where you can have a vast rotating entertainment neighborhood options.

 

It's literally a street, with the same bars, and that's it. And it is being crowned as the jewel of Nashville and the premier party destination in America and the #1 reason for Nashville's popularity and growth as a city. 

 

If we can leverage OTR the same way Nashville leverages Broadway St then Cincinnati can also have bachelorettes crying about the NFL draft ruing their wonderful planned party weekend. 

 

 

I can't stand Nashville but you're making some pretty false statements about it.  OTR may have more bars then Broadway (honestly I'm not sure it does) but the Broadway bars are way bigger then anything in OTR.  Pretty much all the bars there are multi level with rooftops.  They can fit a lot more people on Broadway then we can in OTR because of the size of the buildings.  Nashville also has plenty of other places for night life options then just Broadway.  Do you really think they don't have other neighborhoods that are popular to go out to?  The people that actually live in Nashville rarely go out on Broadway as that's where the tourists go. 

 

Personally I don't want OTR to become like Broadway in Nashville.  That place has no soul, no character.  Becoming the French Quarter of the Midwest is much more comparable given types of buildings that are in OTR.  

On 4/26/2019 at 5:53 PM, troeros said:

 

Broadway street is open container. But again, it's not this massive historic district or anything of that nature. It's a street that stretches a fee blocks long, lined up with the same type of honkey tonk live country music bar, copy/pasted throughout. 

 

I just don't get why literally everyone goes there for their bachelor/bachelorette parties. Also, this is Nashville's main night life spot. It's not like cincinnati where you have OTR, Covington, The Banks, Northside, etc where you can have a vast rotating entertainment neighborhood options.

 

It's literally a street, with the same bars, and that's it. And it is being crowned as the jewel of Nashville and the premier party destination in America and the #1 reason for Nashville's popularity and growth as a city. 

 

If we can leverage OTR the same way Nashville leverages Broadway St then Cincinnati can also have bachelorettes crying about the NFL draft ruing their wonderful planned party weekend. 

 

 

Does anyone live on Broadway in Nashville? Based on my time there a few years ago I don't get that sense.  A huge visitor driven scene is not as compatible with a truly mixed use neighborhood like Over-the-Rhine. While increasing the numbers of visitors is key to sustained redevelopment, making Over-the-Rhine a "premier party destination" is not an appropriate vision for the neighborhood.

I hate to break it to you, but OTR is already a huge bachelor/bachelorette party destination. My sister just had hers there this past weekend. I'm going to a bachelor party in OTR this summer for a friend who is from Cleveland and lives in Columbus. He has no connection to Cincinnati but wanted to do his bachelor party here because it is close for most of the attendees and he has heard from other people that they had fun on a bachelor party here. Basically go out any weekend on Main Street and you'll see women wearing the bride/bridesmaid sashes stumbling around. 

Not on Broadway, but they definitely live on Second Ave., which is where the downtown nightlife was originally centered.  It all started with an Olde Spaghetti Factory and a Hooters back in the 90s...there was also the TNN Dance Ranch show that was filmed nightly in a bar whose name I can't remember on the northeast side of Second.   I believe that the Hooters s still going strong.

 

The Hard Rock Café that is still there was there on Second in the 90s, with its gift shop in the small row building at the corner of Second and Broadway.  Just south, and facing Broadway, was the Planet Hollywood.  Around 1998, a year or two after the tornado that damaged a bunch of the buildings, there was a NASCAR Café opposite the Planet Hollywood, but that didn't last long.  

 

The nightlife didn't shift to Broadway until around 2010, after the Schimerhorn Center and new Country Hall of Fame buildings started pulling tourists south of Broadway to the newly-coined "SoBro" area.  Previously, Broadway was the edge of the downtown, but it thereafter became the center.  The convention center and a bunch of towers sprouted in Sobro after about 2012.  

 

 

 

I had my bachelor party in OTR last month after a Reds game.  We had a blast and in the process were able to change some perceptions on that so called "streetcar to nowhere".   Most of the (22) guys were from the Cincy/Indiana/Hamilton burbs, Indianapolis, and the Canton area.   Funny enough, the guys from the local burbs were the ones most pleasantly surprised with how the evening went.  I heard several times, from different guys how there is so much more to do in Cincy than the bachelor party they went to in Nashville a few months back. 

Some of the places I recall that we went after the rained out Reds game included Sam Adams Brewery, Rhinegeist, Taft, Arnolds, Holy Grail, Goodfellas, Gomez, just to name a few.   Some guys stayed in the Omni and others stayed at the new Holiday Inn on Broadway.

 

All in all, it was a great night aside from the monsoon rains

15 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

I hate to break it to you, but OTR is already a huge bachelor/bachelorette party destination. My sister just had hers there this past weekend. I'm going to a bachelor party in OTR this summer for a friend who is from Cleveland and lives in Columbus. He has no connection to Cincinnati but wanted to do his bachelor party here because it is close for most of the attendees and he has heard from other people that they had fun on a bachelor party here. Basically go out any weekend on Main Street and you'll see women wearing the bride/bridesmaid sashes stumbling around. 

 

Which is great. That is a lot different than trying to make Over-the-Rhine "the premier party destination in America". I was responding to the comment that the streets of Over-the-Rhine should be packed with drunken partiers all the time to compete with "the #1 reason for Nashville's popularity and growth as a city".

15 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

 

Which is great. That is a lot different than trying to make Over-the-Rhine "the premier party destination in America". I was responding to the comment that the streets of Over-the-Rhine should be packed with drunken partiers all the time to compete with "the #1 reason for Nashville's popularity and growth as a city".

 

If otr had the population density to support the amount of bars on weekdays (especially on main St) as much it does already on weekends then it would be. 

 

The French quarters, Broadway St...what do they have in similar? People go their to drink, party, unwind. 

 

French quarter might have more substance due to the history, size and architecture, but it is still largely where people go first and foremost to get drunk and party. 

41 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

If otr had the population density to support the amount of bars on weekdays (especially on main St) as much it does already on weekends then it would be. 

 

I've recently noticed some of the Main Street bars have bigger crowds now during the week than they did  when I moved here two years ago. The first time I stepped foot in a Main Street bar on a Wednesday night I was blown away that any of these places could stay in business. There was no one at any of those bars during the week. Now you usually see a small after work crowd at a lot of the places. This will only continue to get better as more apartments/condos open around the basin. 

9 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I've recently noticed some of the Main Street bars have bigger crowds now during the week than they did  when I moved here two years ago. The first time I stepped foot in a Main Street bar on a Wednesday night I was blown away that any of these places could stay in business. There was no one at any of those bars during the week. Now you usually see a small after work crowd at a lot of the places. This will only continue to get better as more apartments/condos open around the basin. 

 

The resurgence of the 1990s Main Street is coming full circle. Cue the rebirth of Have a Nice Day Cafe and Sycamore Gardens.

3cdc is filing an application to the HCB under the name 1400 Vine LLC, to demolish the Kroger building and construct a commercial parking lot. 

 

My question is...Does this mean there is a delay with the proposed infill project for the Kroger lot? It will be quite disappointing if we have to wait another handful of years to see movement on this lot by 3cdc...

I don't think there's ever been a proposed infill project. There's been an assumed infill project.

 

Very disappointing if this is true. It will be years before they build over a new surface lot. They won't do this for a 2 year period.

1 minute ago, ryanlammi said:

I don't think there's ever been a proposed infill project. There's been an assumed infill project.

 

Very disappointing if this is true. It will be years before they build over a new surface lot. They won't do this for a 2 year period.

 

No there were renderings shown (I believe some members of Cincy Business courrier were presented some renderings by 3cdc last year and they tweeted about this instance) so they definitely have a plan. 

 

Maybe it's a financing issue?

 

4th and Race, Fountain Square tower, new Convention HQ hotel...makes me think maybe 3cdc is running tight on money due to their recent project load?

Also, maybe they want to phase this out?

 

Meiners, and Behlen building this summer/Fall?

 

Then the rest of the historic buildings adjacent to the Behlen for phase 2 and the Weilert building and it's adjacent historic building for the last phase before working on the Kroger infill site?

 

That's the only logic I can think of. 

I can't imagine them creating a brand new paid surface lot with necessary infrastructure, permitting, etc just to build on top of it in 2021.

 

Have you seen drawings anywhere?

I can think of a few possible reasons 3CDC might build a temporary parking lot replacing the OTR Kroger:

• They think they can purchase the Grammer's Place properties along Walnut in a few years and roll all of those properties into one huge new development, covering most of that block
• They believe that they won't be able to get office tenants for Meiners/Behlen unless they have more parking nearby, so they need a temporary lot immediately
• They have decided to move forward with a new infill project replacing the cell phone store on Liberty first, so they have put the Kroger site on the back burner

It should also be noted that 3CDC also has some pretty substantial infrastructure for the parking lot at the SW corner of Central Parkway and Walnut (the former Monro) so I wouldn't expect that parking lot to be developed any time soon.

2 hours ago, troeros said:

 

If otr had the population density to support the amount of bars on weekdays (especially on main St) as much it does already on weekends then it would be. 

 

The French quarters, Broadway St...what do they have in similar? People go their to drink, party, unwind. 

 

French quarter might have more substance due to the history, size and architecture, but it is still largely where people go first and foremost to get drunk and party. 

 

But do we want that? Over-the-Rhine has an opportunity to be a true mixed use neighborhood. An attempt to making it heavily focused on only one avenue, be it residential, office, retail, or entertainment threatens to make it a neighborhood devoid of vitality. A neighborhood focused only to "get drunk" in is not a sustainable nor desirable path.

 

6 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

 

But do we want that? Over-the-Rhine has an opportunity to be a true mixed use neighborhood. An attempt to making it heavily focused on only one avenue, be it residential, office, retail, or entertainment threatens to make it a neighborhood devoid of vitality. A neighborhood focused only to "get drunk" in is not a sustainable nor desirable path.

 

 

It's been sustainable for new Orleans and Nashville for quite some time now. 

Looks like they can do 100-110 parking spaces in the Kroger space.  

24 minutes ago, taestell said:

I can think of a few possible reasons 3CDC might build a temporary parking lot replacing the OTR Kroger:

• They think they can purchase the Grammer's Place properties along Walnut in a few years and roll all of those properties into one huge new development, covering most of that block
• They believe that they won't be able to get office tenants for Meiners/Behlen unless they have more parking nearby, so they need a temporary lot immediately
• They have decided to move forward with a new infill project replacing the cell phone store on Liberty first, so they have put the Kroger site on the back burner

It should also be noted that 3CDC also has some pretty substantial infrastructure for the parking lot at the SW corner of Central Parkway and Walnut (the former Monro) so I wouldn't expect that parking lot to be developed any time soon.

 

I was under the impression that the kroger infill development would also include some type of structured parking like the Mercer project. 

 

 

What you are essentially asking for is for OTR to become what Main Street was in the the 1990s. Nothing but a party zone. No high end condos, no office space, no nice restaurants, just bars and bars and bars.

 

As someone who was drawn to this neighborhood based on the late 2000s version of the neighborhood, and invested here based on that vision, I absolutely do not want the neighborhood to devolve back into a party zone where drunken crowds trash the neighborhood every weekend and residents have to deal with cleaning up the mess. I understand that as a downtown neighborhood, we will always have more than our fair share of bars and will be a destination for people from other places to party, and I'm fine with that. But you have to have a balance between that and amenities that neighborhood residents want. If 3CDC's vision for OTR was Beale Street, I would have never invested here in the first place.

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

It's been sustainable for new Orleans and Nashville for quite some time now. 

 

The French Quarter gets a pretty bad rap, as does most of New Orleans, for its drinking above all else mentality and the associated crime, debauchery, and mess that it causes.  It's mostly been able to succeed despite its reputation, but there's definitely people who avoid it because of that.  Compare Charleston or Savannah to New Orleans in that respect. 

Having been to the NOLA twice in the last year for weddings, if OTR ends up like the French Quarter I will consider it a massive failure. The French Quarter is a very cool place, but it’s also far dirtier, seedier, and more claustrophobic than OTR is now. It has a sort of grime that attaches to every surface, whether it’s a thin layer of vomit (I’m not kidding) or the accumulated patina of so many tidying-ups but not one wholesale refresh (like what we’ve been afforded with OTR.) I’d prefer we continue to look to Old City or Brooklyn for inspiration rather than the French Quarter—and certainly not anything within a good distance of Nashville. 

Edited April 30, 20196 yr by Pdrome513

1 hour ago, taestell said:

What you are essentially asking for is for OTR to become what Main Street was in the the 1990s. Nothing but a party zone. No high end condos, no office space, no nice restaurants, just bars and bars and bars.

 

As someone who was drawn to this neighborhood based on the late 2000s version of the neighborhood, and invested here based on that vision, I absolutely do not want the neighborhood to devolve back into a party zone where drunken crowds trash the neighborhood every weekend and residents have to deal with cleaning up the mess. I understand that as a downtown neighborhood, we will always have more than our fair share of bars and will be a destination for people from other places to party, and I'm fine with that. But you have to have a balance between that and amenities that neighborhood residents want. If 3CDC's vision for OTR was Beale Street, I would have never invested here in the first place.

 

Exactly. Nashville has nothing remotely like Over-the-Rhine. Advocating for a party zone to the exclusion of office, retail, and residential is a recipe for disaster.

 

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

It's been sustainable for new Orleans and Nashville for quite some time now. 

 

Define sustainable. Bars and clubs generate ground floor traffic only and vacant upper floors. What is "cool" eventually changes (see Mt. Adams, Mainstrasse, 90's Main Street, etc). My guess is that the value of the property and the income from residents and office/retail employees is higher per comparable SF on Over-the-Rhine's Vine Street then Nashville's Broadway.

1 minute ago, mcmicken said:

 

Exactly. Nashville has nothing remotely like Over-the-Rhine. Advocating for a party zone to the exclusion of office, retail, and residential is a recipe for disaster.

 

 

Define sustainable. Bars and clubs generate ground floor traffic only and vacant upper floors. What is "cool" eventually changes (see Mt. Adams, Mainstrasse, 90's Main Street, etc). My guess is that the value of the property and the income from residents and office/retail employees is higher per comparable SF on Over-the-Rhine's Vine Street then Nashville's Broadway.

 

I could argue that the success of Broadway street has trickled down to the rest of Nashville and created a ripple effect of development. New hotels, new residential skyscrapers, new mixed use development...I honestly believe it's due to the unbelievable success of Broadway street becoming a magnet for local and international tourists 24/7 of the calendar year. 

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

I could argue that the success of Broadway street has trickled down to the rest of Nashville and created a ripple effect of development. New hotels, new residential skyscrapers, new mixed use development...I honestly believe it's due to the unbelievable success of Broadway street becoming a magnet for local and international tourists 24/7 of the calendar year. 

Okay... Even if this is the case, I'm still not seeing how this applies to OTR as a successful, sustainable mixed-use district.

If Cincinnati wants a wide street with large bars, restaurants, music venues, clubs and sporting events... oh wait it's called Freedom Way and Cincinnati already has one. All we need to do is make it an open container district (or Outdoor Refreshment Area) and we will be done. It even already has a Tin Roof!

Edited April 30, 20196 yr by ucgrady

45 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

I could argue that the success of Broadway street has trickled down to the rest of Nashville and created a ripple effect of development. New hotels, new residential skyscrapers, new mixed use development...I honestly believe it's due to the unbelievable success of Broadway street becoming a magnet for local and international tourists 24/7 of the calendar year. 

 

Nashville has strip clubs -- lots of them -- whereas Cincinnati has zero and NKY's aren't real strip clubs.  

 

 

 

 

OTR is pretty close to being past maturation of the bar/restaurant retail scene and we could see a shift over the next 18 months as most of the original Gateway Quarter leases are beginning to expire.

3 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I was under the impression that the kroger infill development would also include some type of structured parking like the Mercer project. 

 

 

 

It could but if they don't get the lots on Walnut, it probably won't be big enough.

2 hours ago, Pdrome513 said:

Having been to the NOLA twice in the last year for weddings, if OTR ends up like the French Quarter I will consider it a massive failure. The French Quarter is a very cool place, but it’s also far dirtier, seedier, and more claustrophobic than OTR is now. It has a sort of grime that attaches to every surface, whether it’s a thin layer of vomit (I’m not kidding) or the accumulated patina of so many tidying-ups but not one wholesale refresh (like what we’ve been afforded with OTR.) I’d prefer we continue to look to Old City or Brooklyn for inspiration rather than the French Quarter—and certainly not anything within a good distance of Nashville. 

 

Old City is a good example to follow, IMO. 2nd Street has a reputation of being party central, and it certainly is on the weekends, but the neighborhood as a whole has a healthy mix of office, retail, residential, and institutional uses. And the architecture is superb. I think this is where OTR is headed. 

46 minutes ago, JYP said:

OTR is pretty close to being past maturation of the bar/restaurant retail scene and we could see a shift over the next 18 months as most of the original Gateway Quarter leases are beginning to expire.

 

That's interesting. I wonder if we will see some of the restaurants and retail shops that took a chance on Vine Street decide to seek out a different location in the neighborhood where they can get a more favorable lease (assuming 3CDC would try to raise their rent) and/or a larger space. I wouldn't be surprised if Model Group or UrbanSites poached one of the Dan Wright or Thunderdome restaurants into one of their storefronts. Dan Wright has already shown that he's willing to take another step into a less-developed section of the neighborhood by putting Holiday Spirits/Forty Thieves at Liberty & Race. It would have a huge impact in terms of spreading the successes of Vine Street out into other parts of the neighborhood.

9 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

That's interesting. I wonder if we will see some of the restaurants and retail shops that took a chance on Vine Street decide to seek out a different location in the neighborhood where they can get a more favorable lease (assuming 3CDC would try to raise their rent) and/or a larger space. I wouldn't be surprised if Model Group or UrbanSites poached one of the Dan Wright or Thunderdome restaurants into one of their storefronts. Dan Wright has already shown that he's willing to take another step into a less-developed section of the neighborhood by putting Holiday Spirits/Forty Thieves at Liberty & Race. It would have a huge impact on the neighborhood in terms of spreading the successes of Vine Street out into other parts of the neighborhood.

 

When does Venice on Vine lease expires?

 

God bless them for their mission... But their pizza is average and their storefront is to large for a key corner of otr. 

 

I know they came at a time when otr was less desirable, but I really hope we see something more worthy on that corner.

Edited April 30, 20196 yr by troeros

1 minute ago, troeros said:

 

When does Venice on Vine lease expires?

 

God bless them for their mission... But their pizza is average and their storefront is to large for a key corner of otr. 

 

I know they came at a time when otr was less desirable, but I really we see something more worthy on that corner.

They or OTRCH owns the building, I can't recall exactly but it has not been market rate owned in decades.

 

So they will be there as long they want to.

1 minute ago, JYP said:

They or OTRCH owns the building, I can't recall exactly but it has not been market rate owned in decades.

 

So they will be there as long they want to.

 

Ah OTRCH. God bless those saints. Adding no value in the neighborhood whatsoever once again. 

1 minute ago, troeros said:

 

Ah OTRCH. God bless those saints. Adding no value in the neighborhood whatsoever once again. 

That is an extremely nieve take on that organization. 

 

OTRCH provides affordable housing and has partnered with 3CDC on projects to further protect affordable units in the neighborhood.

 

Venice on Vine is a job training program for neighborhood kids and can help teach valuable skills. I bet many of the people trained here have gone on to work in the restaurants you covet so much in OTR.

 

http://pip-cincy.com/

 

These are valuable programs that help create a ladder of opportunity for the people whose families have lived in OTR for a generation or more.

Add to that both of these organizations worked in this neighborhood for years before anyone cared enough to form 3CDC and pour billions of dollars into it. The orgs that merged to form OTRCH were misguided and idealistic but in its current iteration, its a much-needed force for good in OTR.

I've been told that the Kroger site will be a 100 space surface parking lot by November. Something was said about still needing to obtain certain parcels for the redevelopment project to move forward. 

16 minutes ago, Happenstance said:

I've been told that the Kroger site will be a 100 space surface parking lot by November. Something was said about still needing to obtain certain parcels for the redevelopment project to move forward. 

 

Makes me wonder if this pertains to the Grammer owned lots facing Walnut

5 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

I can't imagine them creating a brand new paid surface lot with necessary infrastructure, permitting, etc just to build on top of it in 2021.

 

I believe the surface parking lot at Mercer and Vine was around for less than 3 years (2010ish - fall 2012) before they tore it up and began building Mercer Commons. Although that was a fairly basic parking lot without any lighting beyond the existing street lights.

 

17 minutes ago, Happenstance said:

I've been told that the Kroger site will be a 100 space surface parking lot by November. Something was said about still needing to obtain certain parcels for the redevelopment project to move forward. 

 

I would think that 3CDC would connect a new surface lot replacing the Kroger building with their existing lot on Walnut, just south of Mecca. It would be a pretty substantial lot.

The blue outline shows how big the temporary parking lot could be. The dotted blue outline could be included as well, depending on 3CDC's plans for the Wielert's building. The red outline is the former Grammer's Place site that I would bet 3CDC is trying to acquire as well.

37 minutes ago, taestell said:

The blue outline shows how big the temporary parking lot could be. The dotted blue outline could be included as well, depending on 3CDC's plans for the Wielert's building. The red outline is the former Grammer's Place site that I would bet 3CDC is trying to acquire as well.

 

Looking at that, it makes sense why 3cdc might want to hold off on redeveloping the kroger site until they can somehow acquire the grammer lot. 

 

I just hope whatever development occurs, they will preserve that small story building, instead of demolishing it like the Grammers initially wanted to. It would be nice to do something similar to what 3cdc did with 15th and Vine, in which the infill preserved and was made the sole standing building a part of it's development. 

I think troeros just got JYP-smacked!

12 hours ago, mcmicken said:

 

Exactly. Nashville has nothing remotely like Over-the-Rhine.

 

I remember when I lived in Tennesse 20~ years ago, well before Nashville's rise, and if Tennesseans had visited Cincinnati they were always sort of intimidated by it.  It was a notch more intense in every respect in the way that the most of the east coast is as compared to Cincinnati. 

 

I remember one girl telling me she had Mapquest directions off the highway to Bogart's that took her straight up Vine St. from downtown.  This was around 1998.  She was shocked and awed by the nonsense going on on Vine St. in OTR, then the hill, then the Short Vine strip, which was really eclectic and unpredictable at the time. 

 

Yeah, let's drive to Music City to hear worse cover bands than can be heard on a Tuesday night in any no-name Ohio town:

 

 

 

 

 

It looks like they're planning to build another garage in the central part of the block, like they've done at Mercer Commons. Probably will see some plans once they acquire all the parcels with a piece of the center (@taestell's red square).