10 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

so is mortons the only landry joint in the cle area now?

 

no chart house or dos caminos?

 

i have a landry card, but hardly use it.

 

its worth it though if you have business travel because you get back more than you paid upfront on your birthday, plus specials.

 

speaking of, i just remembered mccormick and schmick used to have the best happy hour food in midtown here in ny, too bad it crapped out here too. my sis in law worked at the original in seattle years ago.

 

blando corporate isn't always all bad lol.

 

https://www.landrysinc.com/brand-listing?distance=10&id=aae607c0a32b4884950681164dc8cab4

There is a Houlihans in Westlake and a Brick House Tavern in Cuyahoga Falls near Akron.

Does anyone know what is going in Solon at the old Applebee’s then some Taco concept and lastly Rose’s Italian Kitchen??

17 minutes ago, osu87 said:

Does anyone know what is going in Solon at the old Applebee’s then some Taco concept and lastly Rose’s Italian Kitchen??

Urgent med office

7 Brew 'drops' first Cleveland-area coffee drive-thru in Parma Heights

 

Emerging coffee brand 7 Brew dropped its first drive-thru-only coffee shop in Greater Cleveland at a site in Parma Heights on Wednesday.

 

And when 7 Brew says "dropped," it means the Rogers, Arkansas-based franchising company trucked in and lowered by a crane a double-wide coffee shop at 6671 Pearl Road. The Parma Heights shop is expected to open later this winter and add 50 jobs, company representative Jenna Costanzo said in an email.

 

The Parma Heights shop appears to be the fourth 7 Brew drop in Ohio. Massillon and Zanesville — both of which already are open — were followed by Lancaster in the Columbus area about a week ago, according to LinkedIn pages for Rick Nader, president and partner, and Derek Stevens, the Medina-based operations director, for Motley 7 Brew, the franchisee that is opening the Ohio market.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2023/11/01/7-brew-drops-first-cleveland-coffee-drive-thru.html

 

http://Il Rione Team to Open Pizza Shop at Former Edison's Space in Tremont | Food News | Cleveland | Cleveland Scene (clevescene.com)

Hearing that Heritage Steak & Whiskey at Eton will open "on or around" Black Friday.  No replacement lined up yet for Mitchell's, but not surprising since it is a large space (had multiple party/meeting rooms, two dining rooms, and a bar).  My colleagues and I had a meeting in the "Captain's Quarters" party room two weeks before they closed.  So by spring 2024, two of the four larger vacant restaurant spaces should be occupied once again (Agave & Rye and Heritage).

 

26 minutes ago, SgtBarone said:

Hearing that Heritage Steak & Whiskey at Eton will open "on or around" Black Friday.  No replacement lined up yet for Mitchell's, but not surprising since it is a large space (had multiple party/meeting rooms, two dining rooms, and a bar).  My colleagues and I had a meeting in the "Captain's Quarters" party room two weeks before they closed.  So by spring 2024, two of the four larger vacant restaurant spaces should be occupied once again (Agave & Rye and Heritage).

 

 

OpenTable went live today for Heritage starting Thanksgiving week - already booked! Note: the original announcement of this particular restaurant took place on the Eton Facebook page in December 2021 - so it's been a long, long 2 year road. 

Edited November 8, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

LOL, I hope the wait for a table or a steak is shorter than the wait for the restaurant itself.  I can't even remember when signs first went up.

1 hour ago, urb-a-saurus said:

LOL, I hope the wait for a table or a steak is shorter than the wait for the restaurant itself.  I can't even remember when signs first went up.

 

Teaser "steakhouse" coming soon signs went up Dec 2021 - when the now inactive  Eton Facebook posted with pics of sign. Flemings closed July 2019. So space empty 4.5 years, wow. 

Any word on when Steak in Tremont, the old Parallax, is opening? Completely forgot about it until I was down there a couple weeks ago to check out the progress on Driftwood and saw the signs on the building. Francona is a partner I believe.

On 11/8/2023 at 4:36 PM, SgtBarone said:

Hearing that Heritage Steak & Whiskey at Eton will open "on or around" Black Friday.  No replacement lined up yet for Mitchell's, but not surprising since it is a large space (had multiple party/meeting rooms, two dining rooms, and a bar).  My colleagues and I had a meeting in the "Captain's Quarters" party room two weeks before they closed.  So by spring 2024, two of the four larger vacant restaurant spaces should be occupied once again (Agave & Rye and Heritage).

 

The former Bravo! space at Eton is "lease pending" for likely restaurant.

1 minute ago, eyehrtfood said:

The former Bravo! space at Eton is "lease pending" for likely restaurant.

Wonder who?  That space is huge.

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

Wonder who?  That space is huge.

New Eton brochure on Stark site shows pending for this space.. 7,100 sf vs 5,500 for former Paladar, 6,800 for new Heritage, etc...

 

I have only a hunch that it is a new-to-market Italian or Southern restaurant - or one previously announced for Beachwood. It may also be a restaurant in Stark's existing Crocker Park.

9 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

New Eton brochure on Stark site shows pending for this space.. 7,100 sf vs 5,500 for former Paladar, 6,800 for new Heritage, etc...

 

I have only a hunch that it is a new-to-market Italian or Southern restaurant - or one previously announced for Beachwood. It may also be a restaurant in Stark's existing Crocker Park.

I can only hope Maggiano’s returning to Cleveland with a smaller space than BP.

10 minutes ago, osu87 said:

I can only hope Maggiano’s returning to Cleveland with a smaller space than BP.

 

Would love that, but they've been closing (Seattle, The Grove/LA) not opening in recent years.

 

North Italia is the expanding brand I'm thinking of. 

4 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

Would love that, but they've been closing (Seattle, The Grove/LA) not opening in recent years.

 

North Italia is the expanding brand I'm thinking of. 

That would be a nice addition too

 

any word on Chuy’s I know at one point you said they were looking by Pinecrest. I also would love to see True Food Kitchen here.

On 11/10/2023 at 4:01 AM, osu87 said:

That would be a nice addition too

 

any word on Chuy’s I know at one point you said they were looking by Pinecrest. I also would love to see True Food Kitchen here.

 

Published reports and Orange Village council records had Chuy's originally looking at locations where BJs's and Coopers Hawk are now across from Pincrest. Columbus restaurant manager told friend, earlier this year, "Cleveland in 2024" or similar but TBD. 

 

True Food in original leasing plan for a Pinecrest where Kitchen Social is now.l, but no further word. 

Edited November 15, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

Nice article on Heritage Steak & Whiskey:

 

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/first-look-heritage-steak-and-whiskey-opening-at-eton-on-friday-november-24-43131789

After a great meal at the new Heritage Steak at Eton tonight, I passed by Michael Symon's Mabel's BBQ space at Eton - which never seemed to be busy - and appears it has, seemingly, closed - with social media account removed, etc... If so, it made it only about 18 months - at a time when the downtown  location seems to have never been stronger. 

 

If gone, that's 3 high profile restaurant closings at Eton in just a few months. The early store closings every night, post-Covid, sure don't help the foot traffic.

Edited December 3, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

Yeah, it's permanently closed. Paladar (biggest ouch), Mitchells, Bravo, Flemings, B Spot -- goddamn, all my 2010s spots there keep dying. Tough industry.

 

God bless the Barnes & Noble. HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE!!!!!

 

Edited December 3, 20231 yr by TBideon

2 hours ago, TBideon said:

Yeah, it's permanently closed. Paladar (biggest ouch), Mitchells, Bravo, Flemings, B Spot -- goddamn, all my 2010s spots there keep dying. Tough industry.

 

God bless the Barnes & Noble. HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE!!!!!

 

 

Paladar and Bravo closings at Eton were part of major, chainwide closings for both of those, B Spot was the last in its chain when it closed - and Mitchells shrunk from about 2 dozen restaurants at its max to 7-8 now - so mst of these involved troubled restaurants t groups. 

 

With that said, closings aren't great to see - but neither is a landlord, in Stark, continuing to allow Covid-like hours for the retail stores at Eton.

 

(No lack of diners tonight at Heritage - where 5 of their 7 steaks run $70-$86, a la carte. Wow!)

i was always a sucker for chuy’s in austin. that is one chain that for sure would be great to have.

29 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

i was always a sucker for chuy’s in austin. that is one chain that for sure would be great to have.

I was pretty unimpressed with Chuy’s when I lived there but that was relatively (4 years) recently. However give me one of the taco chains please! It seems insane to me that breakfast tacos aren’t a thing everywhere. How about a Tacodeli in a strip mall somewhere?

Now, California Pizza Kitchen has closed at Legacy Village after 20 years. What in the actual heck is going on? Will there be any restaurants left in this town, chain or otherwise, a year from now? And I can almost bet more closings coming soon based on empty parking lots. 

 

Is this happening everywhere or just Cleveland?

Edited December 4, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

^ Not great news, but it’s a tired concept that screams 1990s and wasn’t it still in Chapter 11 not that long ago? I thought that location could have been in trouble a couple of weeks ago when I was at Legacy and wanted to get some lunch. I noticed it was closed and it was almost 1pm. 

12 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

Now, California Pizza Kitchen has closed at Legacy Village after 20 years. What in the actual heck is going on? Will there be any restaurants left in this town, chain or otherwise, a year from now? And I can almost bet more closings coming soon based on empty parking lots. 

 

Is this happening everywhere or just Cleveland?

Agreed with roman specific to CPK and this time of year is typically when restaurants/store closures happen.

 

Plus, what do we expect when every other suburb decides it wants to be the next Beachwood or Westlake and it has to have a mall/lifestyle center? Except each one of those suburbs are located in a low growth region, drawing on a stagnant pool of diners and shoppers, and it’s the luck of the draw as to what anchor tenants each place gets.

 

Add in online shopping, the pandemic, the economy, etc. and the fact our region was said to be over retailed before all this, as unpleasant as it is, I see it more as an overdue correction. 

38 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

Now, California Pizza Kitchen has closed at Legacy Village after 20 years. What in the actual heck is going on? Will there be any restaurants left in this town, chain or otherwise, a year from now? And I can almost bet more closings coming soon based on empty parking lots. 

 

Is this happening everywhere or just Cleveland?

Wow, I just ate lunch there one week ago. With that being said, don’t forget they also left the ultra busy Easton in Columbus.

That does suck, but 20 years isn't terrible for a restaurant. It ran its course.

I wonder if there has been any word updates on the old Bravo space at Eton

On 12/2/2023 at 7:49 PM, eyehrtfood said:

After a great meal at the new Heritage Steak at Eton tonight, I passed by Michael Symon's Mabel's BBQ space at Eton - which never seemed to be busy - and appears it has, seemingly, closed - with social media account removed, etc... If so, it made it only about 18 months - at a time when the downtown  location seems to have never been stronger. 

 

If gone, that's 3 high profile restaurant closings at Eton in just a few months. The early store closings every night, post-Covid, sure don't help the foot traffic.

The website says Mabels Eton will be closed thru Dec 10th

The restaurant biz is not for sissies.  My gut tells me the current labor situation is driving out marginally profitable shops.  Even years ago the hardest part of running a restaurant was finding help.  Finding GOOD help was even more of a challenge.  Just the nature of the beast.  

 

I have experience in the business so I am always judging an operation when I go out to dinner or even ordering take out.  The last 3-4 years I have been stunned by operating issues at all levels of the industry, from fast food to high end (although less problems at more high end places usually, but they still exist more than before).  It is clear to me that the biggest problem is the inability to find experienced hard working employees.  I cannot tell you how often lately I have entered a restaurant that was clearly understaffed (with the resulting chaos) or fully staffed with people that would have never been hired in the past, but shops are desperate for warm bodies.  It is a stressful and constantly exhausting issue for owners and managers who are clearly working even harder themselves.  In the end it can just be too much and if you are only marginally profitable you often just throw in the towel.  It just is not worth the aggravation.  This can be true with both chains and independents or family own places.

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by Htsguy

20 minutes ago, TBideon said:

That does suck, but 20 years isn't terrible for a restaurant. It ran its course.

 

Fair - but so many of the upscale chains  have died here in recent years - some due to corporate-wide issues (Bravo!,  Paladar, etc...) and some for others reasons - like Maggiano's (12 years), to J Alexander's (24ish years), to Mitchell's (20 years) - and some for short periods 1-2 year periods (Ruth's Chris 2.0, City Works, Cantina Laredo) that can't bode well for more upscale chains that are here or could be coming... - restaurants which are signs of sucessful, prosperous shopping areas - and supportive clientele. 

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

9 minutes ago, osu87 said:

The website says Mabels Eton will be closed thru Dec 10th

Then that is news but not normal - yesterday it said closed Nov 14-19 but obvi still closed. Do successful restaurants close for periods like this for no apparent reason? No! Doubt they'll reopen unless something up their sleeve (back to B Spot?) Perhaps the UO post caused them to update. Odd.

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

22 minutes ago, osu87 said:

Wow, I just ate lunch there one week ago. With that being said, don’t forget they also left the ultra busy Easton in Columbus.

And closed in PIT and have closed twice in Indy - and peaked in the '80s/90s, but....

21 minutes ago, osu87 said:

I wonder if there has been any word updates on the old Bravo space at Eton

I check regularly nothing I can see yet. 

12 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

The restaurant biz is not for sissies.  My gut tells me the current labor situation is driving out marginally profitable shops.  Even years ago the hardest part of running a restaurant was finding help.  Finding GOOD help was even more of a challenge.  Just the nature of the beast.  

 

I have experience in the business so I am always judging an operation when I go out to dinner or even ordering take out.  The last 3-4 years I have been stunned by operating issues at all levels of the industry, from fast food to high end (although less problems at more high end places usually, but they still exist more than before).  It is clear to me that the biggest problem is the inability to find experienced hard working employees.  I cannot tell you how often lately I have entered a restaurant that was clearly understaffed (with the resulting chaos) or fully staffed with people that would have never been hired in the past, but shops are desperate for warm bodies.  It is a stressful and constantly exhausting issue for owners and managers who are clearly working even harder themselves.  In the end it can just be too much and if you are only marginally profitable you often just throw in the towel.  It just is not worth the aggravation.  This can be true with both chains and independents or family 

 

Interesting offshoot of Covid. I live in Chagrin Falls and restaurants here including 17 River ($6MM/year in revenue), Jojo's, M Italian, etc.. have never been busier. Crazy busy many nights. I'm admittedly staying closer to home myself than before - except for Cordelia in downtown CLE.. CAN'T stop going to Cordelia...

14 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

Then that is news but not normal - yesterday it said closed Nov 14-19 and clearly was closed on 12/2 but website now say "closed 12/3-12/10?"  Oh, please.. Do successful restaurants close for weeks long periods like this for no apparent reason? No! Doubt they'll reopen unless something up their sleeve (back to B Spot?) Perhaps the UO post caused them to update. Odd.

 

41 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

Interesting offshoot of Covid. I live in Chagrin Falls and restaurants here including 17 River ($6MM/year in revenue), Jojo's, M Italian, etc.. have never been busier. Crazy busy many nights. I'm admittedly staying closer to home myself than before - except for Cordelia in downtown CLE.. CAN'T stop going to Cordelia...

My night to go out is Wednesday (I won't bore you with the reason why).  The last couple of months I have been very surprised at how busy the places I have been going to (higher end) on a Wednesday evening.  This was the case at three different places in Little Italy and at Fahrenheit on Public Square.  Also M Italian in Chagrin.

2 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

Interesting offshoot of Covid. I live in Chagrin Falls and restaurants here including 17 River ($6MM/year in revenue), Jojo's, M Italian, etc.. have never been busier. Crazy busy many nights. I'm admittedly staying closer to home myself than before - except for Cordelia in downtown CLE.. CAN'T stop going to Cordelia...

Yes Chagrin has turned into a restaurant mecca.  

Also, at Van Aken, that troubled spot that started out as Jonathan Sawyers place has recently signed a new concept from Doug Katz which will undoubtedly do well as the People in Shaker love and miss him since the closing of Fire.  

I still think on top of all the other issues, Pinecrest really made it that much more difficult for the restaurants in these corridors.  

14 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

Fair - but so many of the upscale chains  have died here in recent years - some due to corporate-wide issues (Bravo!,  Paladar, etc...) and some for others reasons - like Maggiano's (12 years), to J Alexander's (24ish years), to Mitchell's (20 years) - and some for short periods 1-2 year periods (Ruth's Chris 2.0, City Works, Cantina Laredo) that can't bode well for more upscale chains that are here or could be coming... - restaurants which are signs of sucessful, prosperous shopping areas - and supportive clientele. 

 

Have chains not been on a downward trajectory for the last 10-15 years?  count me in as not really surprised by this.  More and more people want a meal you cant get at the same location across the country

12 hours ago, willyboy said:

Yes Chagrin has turned into a restaurant mecca.  

Also, at Van Aken, that troubled spot that started out as Jonathan Sawyers place has recently signed a new concept from Doug Katz which will undoubtedly do well as the People in Shaker love and miss him since the closing of Fire.  

I still think on top of all the other issues, Pinecrest really made it that much more difficult for the restaurants in these corridors.  

Katz will have success wherever he opens up a place.  Everything he touches turns to gold.  The combination between of quality, the energy, the uniqueness and concept really set him apart.  With him and Booms pizza coming into Van Aken, i think you can kiss any concern of vacancy issues goodbye

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by BelievelandD1

21 minutes ago, BelievelandD1 said:

Katz will have success wherever he opens up a place.  Everything he touches turns the gold.  The combination between thhe quality, the energy, the uniqueness and concept really set him apart.  With him and Booms pizza coming into Van Aken, i think you can kiss any concern of vacancy issues goodbye

Agree.  For Van Aken, it was a matter of finding its footing and getting the right restaurants in there.  Doug's place will be the golden ticket though.     

14 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

Then that is news but not normal - yesterday it said closed Nov 14-19 but obvi still closed. Do successful restaurants close for periods like this for no apparent reason? No! Doubt they'll reopen unless something up their sleeve (back to B Spot?) Perhaps the UO post caused them to update. Odd.

Mabel's has been closed because many of their staff members have helped get Heritage up and running.  Same ownership group I believe.  My guess is that Stark is being patient with Mabel's.

34 minutes ago, BelievelandD1 said:

 

Have chains not been on a downward trajectory for the last 10-15 years?  count me in as not really surprised by this.  More and more people want a meal you cant get at the same location across the country

 

I love great local places like Cordelia and cookie cutter - but delicious- upscale chains. I don't personally believe consumers as a whole are off chains, but I do believe Cleveland habits have kept many away 

43 minutes ago, SgtBarone said:

Mabel's has been closed because many of their staff members have helped get Heritage up and running.  Same ownership group I believe.  My guess is that Stark is being patient with Mabel's.

 

I wondered if this might be the case - but, still, unusual. Doug Petkovic is a partner in Mabel's but Michael Symon is not an announced partner in Heritage - but Heritage jobs were being advertised as from "Michael Symon Restaurants' - amd the GM is a Michael Symon Restaurants veteran, so. 

 

(Note: The Hanger steak (served with bone marrow),the pork chop, and the incredible hash browns at Heritage were pretty world class on first visit, IMHO.)

On 12/4/2023 at 6:21 PM, eyehrtfood said:

 

Is this happening everywhere or just Cleveland?

It's not like every offramp on 271 has a major, region leading, mall/lifestyle center/plaza competing against all the others. 

 

If 10 floor condo buildings were going up like hotcakes along Richmond and SOM, all the malls might have a chance. But it's largely a shell game of shuffling things around.

Reddit reports Corky and Lenny's is closed permanently.

 

If that's true, wow...

That would be a WOW.  It is easily one of the oldest eateries in Greater Cleveland.

53 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Reddit reports Corky and Lenny's is closed permanently.

 

If that's true, wow...

Covid really changed their business. They never got back to normal hours, which is either their choice or what business allowed. 

On 12/4/2023 at 7:29 PM, eyehrtfood said:

 

Interesting offshoot of Covid. I live in Chagrin Falls and restaurants here including 17 River ($6MM/year in revenue), Jojo's, M Italian, etc.. have never been busier. Crazy busy many nights. I'm admittedly staying closer to home myself than before - except for Cordelia in downtown CLE.. CAN'T stop going to Cordelia...

 

On 12/4/2023 at 8:16 PM, Htsguy said:

My night to go out is Wednesday (I won't bore you with the reason why).  The last couple of months I have been very surprised at how busy the places I have been going to (higher end) on a Wednesday evening.  This was the case at three different places in Little Italy and at Fahrenheit on Public Square.  Also M Italian in Chagrin.

Interesting to see you guys talking about M Italian - my wife tended bar there for about 4 years (~2016-2020). They always put out good food. (My wife then went to nursing school to get out of the restaurant industry.)