The Waterstreet Grille/Sixth City Diner is being filled again in WHD with Charkha: exotic Indian cuisine

^ Excellent! we need good Indian downtown. Indigo on Prospect had crazy bad hours, then, closed down, I think.

 

 

"^open from 11-2:30, and then from 5-10.

 

You're defending that?

 

A homogenized society where all the robots must eat lunch before 230pm? And all must eat breakfast at 7:15? I bet a lot of people eat lunch at or after 230---not every day, but if they're busy on something, they may not get out til 230. I frequently do. I certainly wasn't going to wait until 5pm that day to eat. I instead ate elsewhere and vowed never to return there, as not to reward such silliness.  Perhaps that's why they closed. If dinner was dead, they should have NOT opened for dinner and expanded lunch hours when they had the momentum and staff on hand."

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That's the hours that most moderate-upscale restaurants keep.  Also, we were federally mandated to serve all customers, whether white, black, old, young, human, or robot.  Also, if you stay open for lunch late enough, that's dinner.  Also, now I remember why I stopped waiting tables.

^if you really think people should not be allowed to eat in our society between 230pm and 500pm, then I'm happy you're not waiting tables anymore.

Keep it civil, folks.

 

In other news, I totally called that Indian place. Toldja, toldja.

^if you really think people should not be allowed to eat in our society between 230pm and 500pm, then I'm happy you're not waiting tables anymore.

 

I think it's generally easier for cafes and more casual restaurants to maintain constant hours than it is for more upscale establishments.  For instance, I used to work at Heck's, and we stayed open throughout the day.  This made sense because the menu remained more or less the same and we catered to a more casual crowd that was more likely to have a late lunch.  The downtown dining crowd is clearly bifurcated between a lunch and dinner crowd.  It makes obvious sense for most establishments to maintain lunch hours because of the large workforce population.  This crowd overwhelmingly eats between the hours of 12pm and 130pm.  Most places give some latitude to those who prefer to eat before 12 and after 130, but for all intents and purposes, businesses make their money in this key hour-and-a-half window.  However, the margins for lunch time profit are generally very slim, and most restaurants must make the majority of their money by changing their menu (higher prices) for the later crowd.  The break that occurs between 230 and 5pm gives the restaurant a chance to prepare their kitchens for the dinner menu, and for the new shift of workers to arrive and prepare the restaurant generally.  The vast majority of the dinner group will generally arrive in the 6pm-8pm  window.  Again, there is some latitude given to those who would prefer to eat earlier or later, but these types of restaurants make almost all of their dinner money in this time frame.  Of course, we would all like for our favorite restaurants to be open whenever it is convenient for our needs and desires, but it makes little sense, from a business perspective, for many restaurants to remain open when so few customers are likely to patronize their establishments.

 

2 of Cleveland's little urban gems, on the urban gem E. 6th St, Sapporo Sushi and Teahouse Noodles both close in mid-afternoon and then re-open at dinner time for a couple hours.

I highly recommend both  :-)

^if you really think people should not be allowed to eat in our society between 230pm and 500pm, then I'm happy you're not waiting tables anymore.

 

I think it's generally easier for cafes and more casual restaurants to maintain constant hours than it is for more upscale establishments.  For instance, I used to work at Heck's, and we stayed open throughout the day.  This made sense because the menu remained more or less the same and we catered to a more casual crowd that was more likely to have a late lunch.  The downtown dining crowd is clearly bifurcated between a lunch and dinner crowd.  It makes obvious sense for most establishments to maintain lunch hours because of the large workforce population.  This crowd overwhelmingly eats between the hours of 12pm and 130pm.  Most places give some latitude to those who prefer to eat before 12 and after 130, but for all intents and purposes, businesses make their money in this key hour-and-a-half window.  However, the margins for lunch time profit are generally very slim, and most restaurants must make the majority of their money by changing their menu (higher prices) for the later crowd.  The break that occurs between 230 and 5pm gives the restaurant a chance to prepare their kitchens for the dinner menu, and for the new shift of workers to arrive and prepare the restaurant generally.  The vast majority of the dinner group will generally arrive in the 6pm-8pm  window.  Again, there is some latitude given to those who would prefer to eat earlier or later, but these types of restaurants make almost all of their dinner money in this time frame.  Of course, we would all like for our favorite restaurants to be open whenever it is convenient for our needs and desires, but it makes little sense, from a business perspective, for many restaurants to remain open when so few customers are likely to patronize their establishments.

 

 

Bumsquare, you are absolutely correct.  That's the way it has always worked at any of the upscale restaurants I've worked at (and I've worked for some of the best chefs and restauranteurs in Ohio, NYC and LA) and for the reasons you mention.  Apparently, the other commenter doesn't quite understand  how certain restaurants work.  Not all can be open all the time.

^I'm not saying restaurants need to be open all the time--i'm not saying fine dining should be available at 3 or 4 or even 1am. I'm talking about 230 in the afternoon, at which A LOT of people each lunch. You think all the cool, hip programmers and software designers stick to the 9-5 suit and tie office schedule? (Or that they don't eat at or need to eat at such restaurants?) Restaurants still need to run A/C or heat between 3pm and 5pm and still have staff around and lights on---so the "shutdown" of operations isn't that real, but it is far offset by what it does to consumers and its image.

 

 

 

Im gonna get whiplash.

How do we have these two similar conversations going on in two different threads?

 

Guys, if you want to discuss specific hours for specific cleveland restaurants, that's fine, but a general discussion about whether or not restaurants should or should not be open in the mid-afternoon hours is not for this thread.

Jack in the Box is coming to Cleveland.

Jack in the Box is coming to Cleveland.

Jack in the Box is coming to Cleveland.

 

I'm curious as to where and when? I've only heard of them opening restaurants in Cincy and Dayton.

 

And just to finish the hours debate, Lola closes between lunch and dinner. That's hardly uncommon because of prep, etc. Notably, Greenhouse Tavern stays open but it's always been dead when I've gone around 3.

The best part of Jack in the Box coming to Cleveland is that we'll get to see their funny/creepy clown commercials on TV.

Jack in the Box is coming to Cleveland.

 

Do they only do suburban locations or is their a chance it will actually be in the city.

Jack in the Box is coming to Cleveland.

 

Do they only do suburban locations or is their a chance it will actually be in the city.

 

They are in suburban and urban locations.

 

The only good thing out of this, is my brother will never set foot in this, he's Coulrophobic!  Which is a plus for me if he pisses me off! HA!

Not sure where, or when, or how many exactly, just know its in the next 3-6 months.

The former Melange at La Place in Beachwood is becoming a one-off restaurant from the founder of Bravo/Brio... Chain fan or not - they'll surely know what they're doing...

 

A local restaurant proprietor will add a new "simple, classic American grill" in Beachwood's La Place.  The Cedar Creek Grille, owned by Lindey's Restaurant Group, will open by September, owner Rick Doody told the Planning & Zoning Commission at Thursday's meeting.

 

http://beachwood.patch.com/articles/new-restaurant-coming-to-la-place

 

 

Rick Doody...? Really...  Anyway they have good reviews for their similar place in Columbus that has been there 30 years. 

 

Also, a Lizardville will be opening in Beechwood as well. 

Melt opening up a location in Mentor... When I heard he was looking at Mentor and Willoughby I was hoping he would choose Willoughby cause I HATE Mentor. Anyways he said Mentors population density appealed to him. Ha! Its less than 2,000 people per square mile. Lowest in Lake County.

 

Melt Coming To Mentor

http://mentor.patch.com/articles/melt-coming-to-mentor

I dont know why they avoid the City of Cleveland

Melt opening up a location in Mentor... When I heard he was looking at Mentor and Willoughby I was hoping he would choose Willoughby cause I HATE Mentor. Anyways he said Mentors population density appealed to him. Ha! Its less than 2,000 people per square mile. Lowest in Lake County.

 

Melt Coming To Mentor

http://mentor.patch.com/articles/melt-coming-to-mentor

 

I too find that odd since Willoughby seems to be a better fit although there doesn't seem to be much in the way of vacant places in their downtown. Perhaps that was the difference. And in defense of Matt's density comment, I think he was referring to the amount of people that live in and visit Mentor. It certainly fits that criteria as it is the hub of Lake when it comes to dining and big box retail.

^ i dont understand this.  Fish had them hooked.  He had the suburb people coming into the city and inner ring suburbs for a grilled cheese sandwich.  Now he has given them a free pass to stay out in the burbs.  SMH

You've got to think downtown is next...(melt)

 

Also, they're not divulging the location - but for the Independence one, they foolishly applied for liquor license many months before - and, well, let's just say that was made public pretty quickly...

^ i dont understand this.  Fish had them hooked.  He had the suburb people coming into the city and inner ring suburbs for a grilled cheese sandwich.  Now he has given them a free pass to stay out in the burbs.  SMH

Winking Lizard has a pretty good business model for being successful in the suburbs.

It took them a while before landing a downtown location.  Now with "lizardville" they will have two

^ i dont understand this.  Fish had them hooked.  He had the suburb people coming into the city and inner ring suburbs for a grilled cheese sandwich.  Now he has given them a free pass to stay out in the burbs.  SMH

Winking Lizard has a pretty good business model for being successful in the suburbs.

It took them a while before landing a downtown location.  Now with "lizardville" they will have two

 

Yeah, but Melt started in the inner rings.  You would have thought downtown would have been a natural expansion point before the suburbs (if the suburbs even had to become an option, Melt was doing great without diluting their brand).

I am honestly really surprised so many people think Melt would be a good concept for downtown. While I have not been to the CH location, my friends who have been also complain about long wait times for the food. Not like the Lakewood location, but still, this doesnt' seem to be the type of food that can be cooked up in a hurry for a downtown lunch crowd.

Melts target crowd has never and will never be a lunch crowd.  They have one of the best craft beer draft lists in the city and are geared towards a social event.  It would be great addition for downtown, or even Ohio City.

Ah, yes. In that case, totally agree. But how could they possibly move downtown and only be open for dinner? There are a handful of places I can think of with that model, at best.

i wouldn't say they are diluting their brand, they are just opening in places that the people on here don't agree with.  having a far east side location would probably dilute their brand less than having one right in between two places that are already only fifteen minutes apart. 

I'm not saying a downtown location would necessarily compete with the other locations or that it wouldn't work, but a mentor location seems, to me, to be a much less risky bet.

^I think they would be open for lunch. But it wouldnt be a go-to place for a quick in and out lunch.  I would think you would go there if you werent on a time crunch and were taking out of town clients/or had plenty of time to enjoy lunch. 

I'm still trying to imagine the grilled cheese that's worth a three hour dining experience (counting wait time).  Does Fish soak the bred in heroine the night before?  Are there any Melt dissenters our there?

Melts target crowd has never and will never be a lunch crowd.  They have one of the best craft beer draft lists in the city and are geared towards a social event.  It would be great addition for downtown, or even Ohio City.

 

The Independence Melt is definitely a popular lunch spot.  I have the great pleasure of working off of Rockside Road, and it's usually pretty tough to get a table.  They actually do a pretty good job of getting you in an out in 45min-hour.  I still think it's kind of gross and a ripoff though.  They only get my business because the other options out here are Zoup!!! and Chipotle.

There is a perfect time to go to Melt, Unfortunately I cant remember lol. Its either 4, 5 or 6 pm. There is little to no wait surprisingly. Go at 7pm or later and you could wait 2 hours for seat for 2. Anybody remember what the good time is?

I think the wait times are down, especially during the week.  With the additional locations, the last three or four times i have been there, i have been in and out.  I would never in a million years wait 3 hours for Melt.  Time is too valuable.

^^You are correct on those times. Also, if you go right at opening on the weekdays (forget Saturday or Sunday), and anytime after nine.

 

Having worked there (the Lakewood location) for a spell, I can tell you the wait times are only exaggerated because of a combination of inexperienced kitchen staff and main kitchen being half the size of a garage. When I worked there (the main grill) I can assure you the ticket times were RARELY, if ever, over a half hour. The time is added on people camping at the table, and just so many customers waiting to get in.

 

It really does not take that long to make a grilled cheese... regardless of whether it is "gourmet" or not.

 

 

a heroine like, say, Wonder Woman? :)

 

I am a little bit of a Melt dissenter I guess, for just the reason you state. I cannot abide waiting 2.5+ hours for any meal to begin, or to have to be waiting for them to unlock the doors so you can be sure to get a seat.

Melts target crowd has never and will never be a lunch crowd.  They have one of the best craft beer draft lists in the city and are geared towards a social event.  It would be great addition for downtown, or even Ohio City.

 

The Independence Melt is definitely a popular lunch spot.  I have the great pleasure of working off of Rockside Road, and it's usually pretty tough to get a table.  They actually do a pretty good job of getting you in an out in 45min-hour.  I still think it's kind of gross and a ripoff though.  They only get my business because the other options out here are Zoup!!! and Chipotle.

 

I would suggest Dibella's which is practically right next door to Melt on Rockside.  Best subs in town in my opinion.

I hit up Dibella's fairly regularly.  It's good and surprisingly cheap.  I wish Gentile's on Broadview in Old Brooklyn was slightly closer, though.  They have far and away the best sandwiches in town in my opinion.  Plus, it's right next to Michael's Bakery.  I make the trip sometimes when I'm feeling unappreciated at work and feel an hour and a half lunch is justified. 

That's good to know about Dibella's, as there is one in strongsville and I've never visited as I didn't know how the food was and never heard anyone say anything about them.

I've heard some rumblings about a Cleveland location for Melt ... It wasn't downtown but there was a focus on lunch crowd. Not sure if this is still actively being pursued, though ... this was several months back.

Matt Fish is just quoted in the PD as saying there would be another "Greater Cleveland-Cuyahoga County" location in the next year - beyond Mentor... The way that's phrased (or at least the way it was quoted) doesn't seem to indicate a downtown location, but who knows.  Weren't they looking for a downtown-area corporate kitchen in which to prep, though?

There's a new coffeehouse on Prospect downtown. It looks great and is open late, called Nexus.

There's a new coffeehouse on Prospect downtown. It looks great and is open late, called Nexus.

 

Appreciate your due diligence.  I think there was a huge discussion on this place somewhere upthread.  Glad you noticed though and keep spreading the word

There's a new coffeehouse on Prospect downtown. It looks great and is open late, called Nexus.

 

Says they're open only until 9 p.m., and closed all day Sunday.....

 

http://nexuscleveland.com/

I'm still trying to imagine the grilled cheese that's worth a three hour dining experience (counting wait time).  Does Fish soak the bred in heroine the night before?  Are there any Melt dissenters our there?

 

I'm not a huge fan of Melt.  It's an okay sandwich, but it's certainly not worth the wait.  And although I've never noticed this, from some of my other big eating friends, they apparently rip-off customers on amount of meat they use on their sandwiches.

 

That being said, I do appreciate the fact that people like the food and that the Cleveland Heights location has become a bit of an eastside destination.  I think it's unfortunate that the new location is going to cut into some of that CH traffic. 

I like Melt, and I've never noticed them skimping on the meat. And if you don't want to wait three hours, order it through delivermefood.com or do carry-out. Pretty simple.

I'd think the only way the amount of meat on a sandwich would be considered a "rip-off" at a restaurant is if the menu states how many ounces will go on a sandwich and then less is intentionally put on the finished product.

I'm still trying to imagine the grilled cheese that's worth a three hour dining experience (counting wait time).  Does Fish soak the bred in heroine the night before?  Are there any Melt dissenters our there?

 

I'm not a huge fan of Melt.  It's an okay sandwich, but it's certainly not worth the wait.  And although I've never noticed this, from some of my other big eating friends, they apparently rip-off customers on amount of meat they use on their sandwiches.

 

That being said, I do appreciate the fact that people like the food and that the Cleveland Heights location has become a bit of an eastside destination.  I think it's unfortunate that the new location is going to cut into some of that CH traffic. 

 

Why do you say or think that?  Didn't people have a fear (why I don't understand) that the CH location would cannibalize the original location?

 

Again, why the negative?