April 8, 20187 yr thats a shame about hsw but i’m in the camp it seems most are that except for the polish boys it was mediocre at best. i think it was a little better at bbq fests when they maybe upped their game, but not much. cle and ohio for that matter have a historically terrible bbq history. for that matter and despite the hype machine for places like fette sau, blue smoke, yadda yadda nyc is no better. i save up my bbq jones for the tried and true classic outlets in other states.
April 26, 20187 yr not really too enthused about this because of that lazy, tired lead in remark, you know the one! -- but i suppose any publicity is good. from the nydailynews today: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/under-the-radar-food-towns-america-gallery-gallery-1.3951795?pmSlide=1.3951809
April 27, 20187 yr Farewell to a amazing Cleveland Heights spot. :'( La Cave du Vin closing in Cleveland Heights Updated 10:52 AM; Posted 8:45 AM By Marc Bona, cleveland.com, mbonaCleveland[/member].com CLEVELAND, Ohio - La Cave du Vin will close Sunday, April 29, after more than 20 years in business. Laura Honeycutt Baxter, owner of the wine and beer shop in Cleveland Heights, posted the news via Facebook: "End of An Era, with a whole lot of gratitude. It's with mixed emotions that I must announce that La Cave du Vin will close its doors after almost 23 years in business. This Sunday evening, April 29, 2018 will be our final hurrah. http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/la_cave_du_vin_closing_in_clev.html#incart_m-rpt-1
April 27, 20187 yr Farewell to a amazing Cleveland Heights spot. :'( La Cave du Vin closing in Cleveland Heights Updated 10:52 AM; Posted 8:45 AM By Marc Bona, cleveland.com, mbonaCleveland[/member].com CLEVELAND, Ohio - La Cave du Vin will close Sunday, April 29, after more than 20 years in business. Laura Honeycutt Baxter, owner of the wine and beer shop in Cleveland Heights, posted the news via Facebook: "End of An Era, with a whole lot of gratitude. It's with mixed emotions that I must announce that La Cave du Vin will close its doors after almost 23 years in business. This Sunday evening, April 29, 2018 will be our final hurrah. http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/la_cave_du_vin_closing_in_clev.html#incart_m-rpt-1 Heck. Another big loss.
April 27, 20187 yr Cleveland Heights leadership is asleep at the wheel IMO. I disagree. In my experience, C.H. has many programs (and good loans) available for small business owners. I'm disappointed about this closure and used to love to go there - but that's my point, USED to. I haven't gone very much in years, for really no reason in particular. I guess maybe just more options and I do different things now. Serious question - what could/should C.H. have done about this?
April 27, 20187 yr Cleveland Heights leadership is asleep at the wheel IMO. I disagree. In my experience, C.H. has many programs (and good loans) available for small business owners. I'm disappointed about this closure and used to love to go there - but that's my point, USED to. I haven't gone very much in years, for really no reason in particular. I guess maybe just more options and I do different things now. Serious question - what could/should C.H. have done about this? I'm not speaking of this particular business in general. They need to manage the parking situation. From what I remember, all of the parking is coin meters. They should modernize the payment method of the parking. The Cedar-Lee neighborhood used to allow free evening parking which was good for the theater and other businesses. In their wisdom, they decided nickle and diming customers was more important than a thriving business community,
April 27, 20187 yr Cleveland Heights leadership is asleep at the wheel IMO. I disagree. In my experience, C.H. has many programs (and good loans) available for small business owners. I'm disappointed about this closure and used to love to go there - but that's my point, USED to. I haven't gone very much in years, for really no reason in particular. I guess maybe just more options and I do different things now. Serious question - what could/should C.H. have done about this? I'm not speaking of this particular business in general. They need to manage the parking situation. From what I remember, all of the parking is coin meters. They should modernize the payment method of the parking. The Cedar-Lee neighborhood used to allow free evening parking which was good for the theater and other businesses. In their wisdom, they decided nickle and diming customers was more important than a thriving business community, They have started to modernize it, but yeah they could improve. My understanding is you can't just switch out the meters - they need electricity. They city does currently do one free weekend a month in all the business districts.
April 27, 20187 yr Cleveland Heights leadership is asleep at the wheel IMO. I disagree. In my experience, C.H. has many programs (and good loans) available for small business owners. I'm disappointed about this closure and used to love to go there - but that's my point, USED to. I haven't gone very much in years, for really no reason in particular. I guess maybe just more options and I do different things now. Serious question - what could/should C.H. have done about this? I'm not speaking of this particular business in general. They need to manage the parking situation. From what I remember, all of the parking is coin meters. They should modernize the payment method of the parking. The Cedar-Lee neighborhood used to allow free evening parking which was good for the theater and other businesses. In their wisdom, they decided nickle and diming customers was more important than a thriving business community, They have started to modernize it, but yeah they could improve. My understanding is you can't just switch out the meters - they need electricity. They city does currently do one free weekend a month in all the business districts. If they can do one free weekend and not have issues with parking volume, then they can do every weekend free. They could convert the garage into ticketed parking so that people can enjoy the neighborhood with no worry of time expiring on meters.
April 27, 20187 yr Pretty sure the Cedar Lee garage is based on paying at a machine and entering your space #. Coventry garage still has old-school meters. It's been a few months since I've used them though.
April 27, 20187 yr Pretty sure the Cedar Lee garage is based on paying at a machine and entering your space #. Coventry garage still has old-school meters. It's been a few months since I've used them though. It would be better if you could pay as you leave though. That's what I'm getting at.
April 27, 20187 yr Cleveland Heights leadership is asleep at the wheel IMO. I disagree. In my experience, C.H. has many programs (and good loans) available for small business owners. I'm disappointed about this closure and used to love to go there - but that's my point, USED to. I haven't gone very much in years, for really no reason in particular. I guess maybe just more options and I do different things now. Serious question - what could/should C.H. have done about this? Agreed. Not to diverge too much from the convo, but I think it's just CH, conventry, isn't as much of a destination draw to people outside the nearby neighborhood as it was in the past (90s, 00s), because of the growth of other new places (University Circle specifically) and craft beers and better wines at area watering are much more available than they were even 5 years, let alone 15-20. Yes, I know these numbers are 7 years old, but population of little italy, cleveland heights, and unversity circle didn't grow in from 2000-2010 (1); I don't have time to get numbers for LI and UC, but Cleveland Hts was relatively stagnant from 2010-2013 (2) 1- pg. 15 of Austrian, Ziona; Hexter, Kathryn W.; Cyran, Ellen; Boehnlein, Paul; Townley, Bryan; and Kalynchuk, Kenneth, "University Circle & Little Italy Study: Demographic Trends, Property Assessment, and Recommendations for Neighborhood R evitalization" (2015). Urban Publications https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/urban_facpub/1325 2 - https://factfinder.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/13_3YR/DP02/1600000US3916014
April 27, 20187 yr I thought all this time everyone was talking about a famous coffeehouse called La Cave from the 60's which featured big name musical acts of the day. I didn't think that could still be in business--lol (and no, I was never there. I was too young at the time) https://case.edu/ech/articles/l/la-cave/ http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
April 28, 20187 yr I went on a date about 3 years ago with someone who lived in CH. She said ‘Let’s meet at La Cave du Vin’. Despite going to Coventry plenty, including countless gigs at the Grog Shop, I had to ask her where it was. It was a Friday night and it was pretty much dead. I remember thinking at the time it couldn’t last too long. My hovercraft is full of eels
April 28, 20187 yr I went on a date about 3 years ago with someone who lived in CH. She said ‘Let’s meet at La Cave du Vin’. Despite going to Coventry plenty, including countless gigs at the Grog Shop, I had to ask her where it was. It was a Friday night and it was pretty much dead. I remember thinking at the time it couldn’t last too long. I've actually always seen it crowded. Then again I was far from a regular. It was more of a special occasion kind of place since I was on the west side. The place was open for 20 years, maybe they just want to retire? RIP Barking Spider, Coquette, original Big Fun and now La Cave.
April 29, 20187 yr Finally! They've got menus up in the windows..... Landmark, in Renovated Clifton Diner Spot, Will Open on Monday April 30 https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/04/24/landmark-in-renovated-clifton-diner-spot-will-open-on-tuesday-april-30 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 6, 20187 yr According to signage outside, Hot Sauce Williams will soon be an Angie’s Soul Cafe. Isn’t that what that location used to be before it was HSW? My hovercraft is full of eels
May 6, 20187 yr It was originally built as a Sisters Chicken... (Wendy's failed chicken concept) http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/sisters.htm
May 7, 20187 yr It was originally built as a Sisters Chicken... (Wendy's failed chicken concept) http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/sisters.htm I’m getting a mid-80’s vibe from those pictures. Is that about right?
May 7, 20187 yr It was originally built as a Sisters Chicken... (Wendy's failed chicken concept) http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/sisters.htm I’m getting a mid-80’s vibe from those pictures. Is that about right? My friend worked at the one in Amherst in the late 80's... so that's about right I'd say.
May 7, 20187 yr Forgot to mention above that Raving Med in PHS also shut its doors recently. Shame, I liked it and ate there pretty often although it did get quieter and quieter over the last 6 months or so. They never extended the hours or the menu beyond servicing the M-F 9-5 crowd. What probably did for it was when the excellent Zaytoon opened not too far away, doing kind of the same thing (and more), but much better. Given the location, I’m sure something will pop up there soon to replace it. My hovercraft is full of eels
May 7, 20187 yr Ohio City Burrito opens in downtown Cleveland Updated 5:23 AM; Posted 4:01 AM By Nikki Delamotte, cleveland.com NDelamotteUllmanCleveland[/member].com CLEVELAND, Ohio - West 25th St. staple Ohio City Burrito's second shop is now open in downtown Cleveland at 526 E. Superior Ave., the former Leader Bar and Grill. In honor of the new location, today's visitors can get a free sample of chili-lime popcorn from Campbell's Sweet Factory, Ohio City Burrito's neighbor both downtown and in Ohio City, while supplies last. The cozy shop seats around 20, and a patio adds an additional 15 seats. Hours are 10:30 a.m.-10 p.m., Monday through Saturday. The brother-and-sister team of Jeff and Michelle Pizzuli planted the popular build-your-own concept's first location in Ohio City in 2009. The casual spot quickly became a hit for the lunchtime crowd and late-night eaters alike. http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/05/ohio_city_burrito_opens_in_dow.html
May 22, 20187 yr Just learned Latitude closed from this article: "Detroit Shoreway to Welcome Flight Cleveland, a Wine Shop and Bar, This Fall... a wine shop and bar, in the former home of Latitude 41n (5712 Detroit Ave.) in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood." Anyone know why Latitude closed? I used to go there a lot. Then one day, I noticed the prices were higher, the food didn't taste good---just okay, AND everyone I ate with felt a little ill within a hour or so, but no one threw up. So after that, I never went back. I thought maybe they changed kitchen staff or ownership or something. But now I see they've shut down? Very curious if anyone has any details. According to Scene: "According to neighborhoods reps, the lease had expired and Brown will be transitioning into a different career path. (Messages to Brown went un-returned.)" https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/04/05/after-11-years-in-detroit-shoreway-latitude-41n-will-close-this-sunday If anyone knows the story, would love to hear it. Thanks.
May 22, 20187 yr ^I heard the owner just wanted to travel and explore other careers/lifestyles Pugu[/member] . I'm not at all certain as to the authenticity of that report, however. So if someone else can confirm or deny that would be great
May 22, 20187 yr ^I heard the owner just wanted to travel and explore other careers/lifestyles Pugu[/member] . I'm not at all certain as to the authenticity of that report, however. So if someone else can confirm or deny that would be great Yeah, that isn't entirely true. The newish owner of the building and Carol (former owner of Lat 41) never got along. The decision to close Latitude was 100% due to owner/tenant issues that couldn't be worked out. She's currently looking for other options along Detroit Ave, but hasn't had any luck finding a spot that will meet her needs. Carol would like to focus more time on her catering business, while still operating a small cafe.
May 22, 20187 yr Thanks. There usually is more to the story when someone says, 'yeah, gonna leave--try something new....' thanks for the insight.
May 22, 20187 yr Hello bistro in front of Beachwood Place is now open An "upscale" Eat-n-Park. Makes me laugh every time.
June 5, 20187 yr Shake Shack sneak peek, opening up in Pinecrest on Thursday New York City's famous burger stand Shake Shack will open its first location in Ohio on Thursday at the new Pinecrest development in Orange Village. The restaurant, known for its burgers, crinkle-cut french fries, shakes and concrete desserts, opens June 7 at 11 a.m. More below: https://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/06/52d50b00266336/shake_shack_sneak_peak_opening.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 7, 20187 yr Good to see this space coming back to life. Arcadian Space in Gordon Square Has Been Claimed by Blue Habanero Mexican Cleveland diners watched for three long years as management methodically transformed the old City Grill at W. 65th and Detroit into Arcadian, a contemporary showpiece designed by local architect Robert Maschke. But after just four months in business, in a move that shocked even the staff, the restaurant abruptly locked its doors and ceased operating. That took place a year and a half ago, and since that time many potential operators have kicked the proverbial tires on the one-of-a-kind Detroit Shoreway property. Finally, a new owner has claimed the building and a new tenant has been named. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/06/04/arcadian-space-in-gordon-square-has-been-claimed-by-blue-habanero-mexican
June 7, 20187 yr ^love Mexican--so looking forward to Blue Habanero. Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?
June 7, 20187 yr It's as much a burger and fries place as Jeni's is just an ice cream shop. Shake Shacks usually have a charm to them, with higher quality meat (and veggie options), really good shakes, higher caliber clientele and customer service alike, the workers paid quite a bit more than generic fast food places, some unique sauces i.e. Shake Sauce. The place just has a good vibe.
June 7, 20187 yr ^love Mexican--so looking forward to Blue Habanero. Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something? Cleveland resident's tastes aside, I think many diners and developers all over the world are fairly excited about Shake Shack based on its tremendous recent national and international growth. This is a Danny Meyer restaurant, far more than your average Wendy's or McDonalds. So it's not just a Cleveland thing......
June 8, 20187 yr Yes this is hardly a McDonald’s or Wendy’s that is down the road every 5 miles, The same ones complaining about this would be the same ones complaining if Columbus or Cincinnati got the first shake shack in Ohio first
June 8, 20187 yr Thanks all for the insight. The same ones complaining about this would be the same ones complaining if Columbus or Cincinnati got the first shake shack in Ohio first I'm not complaining about Shake Shack--just trying to understand what it is that people are so enthusiastic about it. To that end, why would I complain if Columbus or Cinci got something before Cleveland if I had no idea what the something was? No need to make this a C vs C vs C matter.
June 8, 20187 yr You weren't trying to understand anything. When you're trying to understand, you don't call people desperate.
June 8, 20187 yr People are enthusiastic about it because they got gobbled up by the hype. The same thing would happen if an inn n out came to Ohio. The masses on the coasts sell to everyone that their burger and fry places are the best and the conversation generated around these places is pretty remarkable. I’ve had both, they are fine fast food, but nothing I would write and ask the company to open up one on Ohio. It is what it is, it’s a decent fast food experience, if you get a cheat day and want to make the trek to pinecrest, go for it.
June 8, 20187 yr RIP Anthony Bourdain. Sorry, not exactly on topic but I needed to post it somewhere. Loved that guy
June 8, 20187 yr RIP Anthony Bourdain. Sorry, not exactly on topic but I needed to post it somewhere. Loved that guy Isn't that what the entertainment thread is for? Celebrity deaths? Truly sad though...
June 8, 20187 yr You weren't trying to understand anything. When you're trying to understand, you don't call people desperate. What's with all the ultrasensitivity? I was trying to understand. Here's what I said: "Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?" It IS, according to the replies a burger and fries place. And people ARE excited about it. So that is pretty "desperate" of us as a community. Sorry if you're offended by that. Or if you think the burger place is fine dining. Or whatever.
June 8, 20187 yr You weren't trying to understand anything. When you're trying to understand, you don't call people desperate. What's with all the ultrasensitivity? I was trying to understand. Here's what I said: "Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?" It IS, according to the replies a burger and fries place. And people ARE excited about it. So that is pretty "desperate" of us as a community. Sorry if you're offended by that. Or if you think the burger place is fine dining. Or whatever. I was really excited when Yuengling got introduced to Ohio, and it turns out I hate it. It has nothing to do with a burger place and has everything to do with availability. The same would be true if a Sports Authority moved to Cleveland and the same was true, for me, when Orvis opened on the East Side.
June 8, 20187 yr People are enthusiastic about it because they got gobbled up by the hype. Its also an incredible burger if you haven't tried it. IMO better than Five Guys, B Spot or (barely) Swenson's.
June 8, 20187 yr People are enthusiastic about it because they got gobbled up by the hype. Its also an incredible burger if you haven't tried it. IMO better than Five Guys, B Spot or (barely) Swenson's. I have tried it. Its a good burger, Its not mind blowingly better than other burgers we have in town. Its a good burger though. If its convenient i would grab one.
June 8, 20187 yr You weren't trying to understand anything. When you're trying to understand, you don't call people desperate. What's with all the ultrasensitivity? I was trying to understand. Here's what I said: "Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?" It IS, according to the replies a burger and fries place. And people ARE excited about it. So that is pretty "desperate" of us as a community. Sorry if you're offended by that. Or if you think the burger place is fine dining. Or whatever. I was really excited when Yuengling got introduced to Ohio, and it turns out I hate it. It has nothing to do with a burger place and has everything to do with availability. The same would be true if a Sports Authority moved to Cleveland and the same was true, for me, when Orvis opened on the East Side. There is something to this. People tend to want what they don't have. Then when they have it, realize maybe the build up was bigger than the commodity itself. Yuengling is a great example. I remember having fake excitement that they were coming here. I dont think ive ever bought a Yuengling in Ohio
June 8, 20187 yr Bingo. It's consumerism at its finest. The experience that your having something exclusive. It gets you exited to spend the money. Doesn't matter that it's really no better than plenty of other options in the area. When Flipside opened in FEB I thought they had pretty good burgers. High quality ingredients, put together well, interesting toppings. That was a local chain and didn't seem to get the excitement going though. I still say Johnny's Little Bar has my favorite burger in town. I'm headed out to Pinecrest next week for an event at City Works. Its free. Kind of interested to see what goes on over there. But will most likely never be back even for a Shake Shack burger 8)
June 8, 20187 yr I've never been to a Shake Shack so I won't comment on the food but I do think there is a bit of the 'ol Coastal thing working here as in "Wow, we are finally getting a hip Shake Shack. Great to be invited to sit with the cool kids." Reminds me of a time back in the 70's when all of us in Ohio heard how great Coors beer was. Then I was at a party where someone had just got back from Colorado and they brought some Coors beer. Man I remember thinking "Here it is, I finally get to taste what people had been raving about." So I had a Coors and my first thought was "What? This tastes like water with a little beer added." it was nothing but still, everyone there was saying what great beer it was. At the time I was too young (17) to have the courage of my convictions so I remained silent and just went along but to this day I remember the incident as maybe my first lesson that the crowd is not always right.
June 8, 20187 yr People are enthusiastic about it because they got gobbled up by the hype. Its also an incredible burger if you haven't tried it. IMO better than Five Guys, B Spot or (barely) Swenson's. I have tried it. Its a good burger, Its not mind blowingly better than other burgers we have in town. Its a good burger though. If its convenient i would grab one. I went to meet friends at Shake Shack a few weeks ago at the local mall, as we were curious about the hype. Nope. Really long line with over an hour wait lol.
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