January 29, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, GCrites80s said: Was that building built sometime around 1918? That heat phenomenon was instituted in response to the Spanish Flu. That way there would be air moving to vent the virus out of the building. Yep! 1920, so you might be on to something.
January 29, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Ram23 said: I looked through some old newspapers and found some tidbits. In 1947, the building was still 6 stories: When Kroger leased the space in 1959, it was only four stories: It also looks like the Kroger was a specialty/boutique store, billed as "Kroger on Race at Shillito Place." It was opened on October 18, 1960 and was designed by Raymond Loewy. According to another article, it was a test store of sorts and was one of the very first places to implement electronic checkout scanning. The Kroger store closed after Christmas in 1969. The space was used for a few things, notably an electronics store in the 80s - which leads me to ask: were those old electronics in original boxes in the windows of The Chong only there because they were still sitting there when Chong bought the building? Did he just never bother to move them? Wow an import beer selection in 1960? I didn't know that was a thing then. So this location only made it 10 years. Was it open concurrently to the Vine St. Kroger or did they move the party over there in 1970?
January 29, 20214 yr http://www.diggingcincinnati.com/2021/01/you-never-know-what-lies-beneath.html?fbclid=IwAR3CQZkVKl082qNJdmP_lCefDMoEq76e-uhVMRv1SqSn_Mc1tvGySk5U_S4 We have a Hannaford and a fire. Great history of the site in the article above
January 29, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Pdrome513 said: What struck me walking by is how much the false front interrupted the rhythm of buildings coming down Race and, by contrast, how a restoration of the original facade could completely change the feel of that part of downtown. Also, it’s pretty neat to see this happening and then 100 yards away the modern addition being added Tetris style to the boutique hotel project on Seventh. Is there any chance whatsoever a similar thing could be done to Shillito’s at some point? Does the original facade still exist underneath the new one or is that not possible? I agree restoration of the historic façade will definitely give that stretch of my Race Street a new vibe. In regards to Shillito and the article façade I believe that the façade is actually an expansion to the original building as well
January 29, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: It's interesting to see that comment regarding the size of the store compared to new suburban stores - when I was a kid a few of the original suburban Kroger stores were still in operation (i.e. Galbraith at Colerain, Northgate Mall, Camp Washington, etc.) and they were very small as compared to the supermarkets that came to replace them in the 1980s. That's interesting since we are about the same age and I don't remember any of those in Columbus when I was a kid. By then they were all '70s or newer and at minimum 35-40,000 sq. ft. We almost never went north of Morse Rd. though. Maybe there was one of those oldies left in the Short North (across from where the Montecristo Cigar Lounge is now but even by '82 might have been gone) or Clintonville but we never went to those. Even the old Italian Village and Circleville Krogers weren't that old or small. Any Downtown Kroger was long gone. I suppose that in Cincinnati Kroger didn't have Big Bear to contend with that lead to all those arms races in Columbus, Lancaster, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Huntington. Even the Krogers in those towns got upsized every 10-15 years in order to try and take on Big Bear with Big Bear firing back and making them add additional locations. Would those towns all have 2-3 big Krogers like they do if it wasn't for Big Bear? Nearly crapped my pants when I did start seeing tiny old Korgers in Appalachian Ohio in my 20s like Wellston (RIP), Blanchester and Nelsonville. Like the old Blanchester one was so small that it's now a regular-size AutoZone. Edited January 29, 20214 yr by GCrites80s
January 29, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, preservationrestoration said: http://www.diggingcincinnati.com/2021/01/you-never-know-what-lies-beneath.html?fbclid=IwAR3CQZkVKl082qNJdmP_lCefDMoEq76e-uhVMRv1SqSn_Mc1tvGySk5U_S4 We have a Hannaford and a fire. Great history of the site in the article above Wow, it was a Schottenstein's for two years and then later Willis Music in the '80s. I only knew of Willis Music in Eastgate Mall. It almost looks like there was a stage and dance floor upstairs.
January 29, 20214 yr Eh, fresh air had been a tenet of healthcare for a long time already. Before reliable thermostats it was easier to just overheat a building and let the everyone open their windows to regulate the temperature. Steam heating systems are very difficult to balance as it is, so there weren't really other options.
January 31, 20214 yr On 1/29/2021 at 1:54 PM, richNcincy said: Looks like a “Jumbotron” coming soon to Central Parkway It looks even bigger in person. Is it going to tell me when the organic avocados are on sale?
February 2, 20214 yr I knew the Carew Tower was a little past its prime, but I didn't expect this: Duke Energy threatens to cut electric service to Carew Tower; owner says 'everything will be resolved.' The owner of the iconic Carew Tower in Cincinnati says the lights will stay on and Duke Energy will be paid. Duke Energy said it plans to disconnect electric service to the building Feb. 10, according to a Fox19 report.
February 2, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, RealAdamP said: I hope this isn't the start of carew beginning to end up like plaza hotel. Highly Unlikely. If I had to guess a buyer will convert it to residential at least partially. Maybe some for sale condos. I was up on one of the unoccupied floors about 4 years ago and although everything was super dated with some ripped out walls and debris on the floors the building seemed structurally fine and not rotting at all. Who ever buys this building will easily win lots of tax credits because of its history and prominence.
February 2, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, 646empire said: Highly Unlikely. If I had to guess a buyer will convert it to residential at least partially. Maybe some for sale condos. I was up on one of the unoccupied floors about 4 years ago and although everything was super dated with some ripped out walls and debris on the floors the building seemed structurally fine and not rotting at all. Who ever buys this building will easily win lots of tax credits because of its history and prominence. I'd love to see an acquisition by someone who can maybe do what they did similar to LeVeque Tower in Columbus. Convert it into mixed use with retail/restaurants, office, hotel, apartment and condo's. Mixed use is the way to go IMO for better variety and stability.
February 2, 20214 yr Quote Quote I'd love to see an acquisition by someone who can maybe do what they did similar to LeVeque Tower in Columbus. Convert it into mixed use with retail/restaurants, office, hotel, apartment and condo's. Mixed use is the way to go IMO for better variety and stability. It's already got all that except the apartments and condos, which would be a great fit for a portion of the tower. I'd like to see some portion of the tower remain office as small, mid-priced office space seems to be disappearing.
February 3, 20214 yr On 1/26/2021 at 7:55 PM, ColDayMan said: See Urban Sites’ plans for former Fifth Third office building Urban Sites has started transforming 530 Walnut, the office building it purchased last fall from Fifth Third Bancorp, putting its distinct twist to the property. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/01/26/see-urban-sites-plans-for-former-53-office-build.html Looks like they found some interesting stuff under the drop ceilings. Link
February 4, 20214 yr https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2021/01/30/historic-photos-19th-century-race-street-building/4325172001/?fbclid=IwAR3cTCQi6SCNvQChoUp_oBHBd1JTEHB07x1m3H9mk9LlQWRbXtpfi5BAmxI A few more historic photos that make up the Chong buildings. You can see the detail a bit more in these photos
February 4, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, preservationrestoration said: https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2021/01/30/historic-photos-19th-century-race-street-building/4325172001/?fbclid=IwAR3cTCQi6SCNvQChoUp_oBHBd1JTEHB07x1m3H9mk9LlQWRbXtpfi5BAmxI A few more historic photos that make up the Chong buildings. You can see the detail a bit more in these photos I’d love to see them add the two floors back.
February 4, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, preservationrestoration said: https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2021/01/30/historic-photos-19th-century-race-street-building/4325172001/?fbclid=IwAR3cTCQi6SCNvQChoUp_oBHBd1JTEHB07x1m3H9mk9LlQWRbXtpfi5BAmxI A few more historic photos that make up the Chong buildings. You can see the detail a bit more in these photos Wow those are great! Very intrigued by the one showing the building to the south at its full height after Butler Brothers re-cladding. Hard to tell if it's just a problem with the photo print, but it does look kind of...hmm...crispy.
February 4, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Ucgrad2015 said: I’d love to see them add the two floors back. Well I guess we do know that it can support two additional floors
February 4, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: Wow those are great! Very intrigued by the one showing the building to the south at its full height after Butler Brothers re-cladding. Hard to tell if it's just a problem with the photo print, but it does look kind of...hmm...crispy. I guess I just assumed that that the top of that building got lopped off at The same time. But obviously from these photos it was not
February 4, 20214 yr kinda funny how the photographer masked out the names on the signs also this guy Edited February 4, 20214 yr by dotunderscore forgot
February 23, 20214 yr Man, just having that massive brick facade removed really livens up the streetscape and makes it feel more intimately scaled! Edited February 23, 20214 yr by The_Cincinnati_Kid
February 23, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, wjh2 said: I would like to know what they found when clearing out the upper floors. There were some really old Singer sewing machines that you could see through the window before they started removing the brick.
February 23, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, Yves Behar said: Any idea what the plan is for this place? I’m assuming they want to bank off of the two new hotels right by, so I’d say bottom floor retail / restaurants and top floors being apartments.
February 23, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Yves Behar said: Any idea what the plan is for this place? 3CDC stated recently (when they began removing the brick false facade) that they're not sure yet what will make the most sense. They're going to re-assess after the selective demolition is complete.
February 26, 20214 yr https://local12.com/news/local/convention-place-mall-set-to-be-demolished-cincinnati Coming down within the next 3 months they state. Hopefully with the new insurance tax credit we’ll get to see a pretty substantial project on this site. Would you guys rather see a shorter building that takes up all of the parking lots on this block or a taller structure that only takes up half? Edited February 26, 20214 yr by Ucgrad2015
February 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://local12.com/news/local/convention-place-mall-set-to-be-demolished-cincinnati Coming down within the next 3 months they state. Hopefully with the new insurance tax credit we’ll get to see a pretty substantial project on this site. Would you guys rather see a shorter building that takes up all of the parking lots on this block or a taller structure that only takes up half? Tall & half. I'm kinda sick of the multi surface multi material short block long thing. It isnt Cincinnati, it isnt even urban. It is everywhere and we need to build up again. I realize the other way is better profit wise and it makes the number......YAWN. Sorry dozed off there.
February 26, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, SleepyLeroy said: Tall & half. I'm kinda sick of the multi surface multi material short block long thing. It isnt Cincinnati, it isnt even urban. It is everywhere and we need to build up again. I realize the other way is better profit wise and it makes the number......YAWN. Sorry dozed off there. Totally agree with you. I’d rather have something that adds to the skyline and will help balance it out since Queen City Tower IMO kind of threw off the balance some. Plus leaving those lots open will allow other developers to build more towers.
March 1, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Dev said: Google Photos automatically made a pretty seamless panoramic for me What a block changer!!!! Even if they dont add the missing floors back onto these buildings, this has completely transformed this area. Human scaled and detailed buildings have always been my favorite.
March 1, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, TheCOV said: What a block changer!!!! Even if they dont add the missing floors back onto these buildings, this has completely transformed this area. Human scaled and detailed buildings have always been my favorite. What will they do with the parts of the buildings where the stone work has been destroyed?
March 1, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, TheCOV said: What a block changer!!!! Even if they dont add the missing floors back onto these buildings, this has completely transformed this area. Human scaled and detailed buildings have always been my favorite. 3CDC hasn't decided yet: On 2/23/2021 at 3:07 PM, jwulsin said: 3CDC stated recently (when they began removing the brick false facade) that they're not sure yet what will make the most sense. They're going to re-assess after the selective demolition is complete.
March 1, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: What will they do with the parts of the buildings where the stone work has been destroyed? Assuming the stone is still stable, I would honestly like them to keep it as-is. New modern aluminum windows adjacent to the beat up texture of the old ripped up stone could look awesome and really showcase the delicate history of the building. I'm sure some parts, like the exposed brick on the North end, will get re-clad for water intrusion. Some other parts will get bondo and sanded down like the cast iron facades around town, but the stone might just get a clear sealer on it. My fear is that it gets a painted EIFS facade on the vertical portions that looks like fake stone similar to the first two stories of the Cincinnatian Hotel.
March 1, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, ucgrady said: My fear is that it gets a painted EIFS facade on the vertical portions that looks like fake stone similar to the first two stories of the Cincinnatian Hotel. I didn't know that about the Cincinnatian, but I see what you're saying. Anybody know if the original stone under the EIFS? This cool photo (from Cincinnativiews.net) shows The Palace/Cincinnatian around the time of the construction of the Terrace Plaza (hence the huge pit) across 6th Street.
March 1, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: What will they do with the parts of the buildings where the stone work has been destroyed? It is possible to have this repaired, or replaced with duplicates. Or they can weatherproof as needed, and leave it as-is and let the history speak for itself.
March 2, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, jwulsin said: 3CDC hasn't decided yet: We've looked at this project and question whether the stone work can be restored at any reasonable cost. Unfortunately, previous owners have ground it down to what maybe the point of no return. A terrible shame, but making it uneconomical to redevelop the building at all would be a bigger shame. It also has extremely deep floor plates which makes it a challenge for housing, but we'll see.
March 9, 20214 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/09/gidding-jenny-former-tj-maxx-buildings-downtown.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s Former downtown TJ MAXX and the building to the right are for sale. Would make a great urban target with all the new residential units coming online downtown in the next few years.
March 9, 20214 yr I know the 4th street historic district has expanded in the past, but are these buildings in the district as well? There are a lot of businesses in the Historic West Fourth street area that have popped up (Handzy, Deeper Roots, Forage, etc) and they are really working on having a collective brand https://historicwestfourth.com/ . With 4th and Race opening soon, plus the huge City Club renovation across the street I have a lot of hope for 4th Street going forward. If we get an urban Target, I want it to fill the windowless base of the terrace plaza, though this location would be good for something larger scale than the little independent shops down the street.
March 11, 20214 yr $69M conversion of downtown office building to apartments lands historic tax credit The planned conversion of a downtown historical office building to apartments landed $5 million in state tax credits at the end of 2020, after an error was corrected. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/10/textile-building-lands-historic-tax-credit.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 11, 20214 yr On 3/9/2021 at 1:56 PM, Ucgrad2015 said: Former downtown TJ MAXX and the building to the right are for sale. Would make a great urban target with all the new residential units coming online downtown in the next few years. Please call it former Gidding-Jenny
March 12, 20214 yr Textile Building owner: ‘Fourth Street is going to be awesome’ The owner of downtown Cincinnati’s Textile Building is preparing to start redevelopment of the historical office building later this year. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/12/textile-building-owner-fourth-street-is-going.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 12, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: Textile Building owner: ‘Fourth Street is going to be awesome’ At least it's someone else than the Loring Group. Still salty about being made to move out of the Lombardy during a pandemic (unit still available 10 months later)
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