Just read on Twitter that Greyhound is officially closing the downtown station and moving the stop to Arlington Heights?????? Yikes! 

25 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

This is a perfect example of an answer in search of a problem

There is literally an example of this problem occurring in the city right now with Stough turning the Davis site into a parking lot. Discussed on this very forum. 

7 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Just read on Twitter that Greyhound is officially closing the downtown station and moving the stop to Arlington Heights?????? Yikes! 

 

I mean, it's not unusual.  Dayton moved their downtown Greyhound station to Trotwood (an old Children's Palace, at that) years ago.  Columbus is also moving the Greyhound station out of downtown.

23 minutes ago, dnymck said:

There is literally an example of this problem occurring in the city right now with Stough turning the Davis site into a parking lot. Discussed on this very forum. 

It is a parking lot until something else will get bit there. I would rather have a parking lot than a building that is falling down and unsafe. I temporary parking lot for a few years is better economic use than just empty private land that will just generate litter. At least as a parking lot, there is incentive for the owner to provide more upkeep. Otherwise, it can get weedy and such. And remember, a parking lot is not going to be permanent. THe land is too valuable to just tear down buildings for parking now. This is not the 80s anymore. A developer can come by with the clear land and use it to build a bigger project going forward.  Same with the old OTR Kroger lot. Parking lots are not permanent they are just there until something better can be developed. Parking lot is no different than what has become of the project on Liberty that is being held up by some OTR Nimby's.  They are both empty blighted pieces of property. The parking lot is easier to maintain though. 

Just curious, what is the big problem with temporary parking lots, and where do you see that Cincinnati has a problem with them currently? 

 

If you go to Louisville, Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton, or Detroit, I can get such a need to limit parking lots. There are a lot more open spaces and parking lots spread through the center city. Cincinnati is still very dense. I do not notice the huge seas of parking there as much as I notice them in other markets. It also seems that over the past 20+ years the parking lots in the center city have become fewer - Casino took out a huge lot, Kroger filled in a lot, The Blonde took out a lot, The Banks project pretty much filled in a sea of parking. The lot on 5th and Plum is going to be a large hotel, 84.51 bulding replaced a big lot, Foundry was a lot for a few years that was redeveloped. 14th and Sycamore replaced a parking lot. 

 

Everywhere you look, it seems that parking lots are being redeveloped. Why isn't this a solution in search of a problem?

59 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

I mean, it's not unusual.  Dayton moved their downtown Greyhound station to Trotwood (an old Children's Palace, at that) years ago.  Columbus is also moving the Greyhound station out of downtown.

 

It's not super unusual, it just really sucks for anyone without a car.

 

I took a bus to Milwaukee this summer, and then got on a train from Milwaukee to Chicago. Everything was at a downtown transit center, which was clean, efficient, and convenient. I really wish more cities would invest in a centrally located intercity, multimodal transit hub. 

4 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

It's not super unusual, it just really sucks for anyone without a car.

 

I took a bus to Milwaukee this summer, and then got on a train from Milwaukee to Chicago. Everything was at a downtown transit center, which was clean, efficient, and convenient. I really wish more cities would invest in a centrally located intercity, multimodal transit hub. 

 

Oh, I don't disagree at all.  In a perfect world, Cincinnati's Greyhound Station should be at the Riverfront Transit Center with the streetcar connection.  But, ya know, America.

The fact that the Davis Furniture building was left to rot for a decade shows that no, the financial incentives do not exist to continually develop downtown land at its most effectiveness. It's pretty clear that the owner of the lot does not want to develop it into a higher use other than just a parking lot. The Dennison Hotel site is also an example of this since it is still sitting empty and is providing no direct economic benefit to anyone.

This is a systemic issue with Ohio's property tax system as dictated in the Ohio constitution. We massively undervalue land so parking lots in downtowns become ATMs for their owners, while providing the least economic return for the public. Ideally, this type of land speculation would be discouraged with a land value tax but that is not possible in Ohio. There could also be a tax on parking, but it's not clear if that political willpower exists in Cincinnati, and it has a very low cap in state law. Banning parking lots in the downtown core is just the easiest and simplest way to go about it for now.

37 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

Oh, I don't disagree at all.  In a perfect world, Cincinnati's Greyhound Station should be at the Riverfront Transit Center with the streetcar connection.  But, ya know, America.

 

 

 

Green hocker croakin'
In the Pygmy Twylyte
Crankin' an' a-coke'n
In the Winchell's do-nut Midnite
Out of his deep on a 'fore day run
Hurtin' for sleep in the Quaalude Moonlight

 

Green hocker in a Greyhound locker
Smokin' in the Pygmy Twylyte
Joined the bus
33rd seat
Doo-doo room
Reek replete

 

Forgot to post this. Took this Blink weekend. Assuming it’s the start of the new hotel behind the new Pure Romance headquarters. 

Edited October 31, 20222 yr by Ucgrad2015

On 10/30/2022 at 11:25 AM, Ucgrad2015 said:

Forgot to post this. Took this Blink weekend. Assuming it’s the start of the new hotel behind the new Pure Romance headquarters. 

 

Yep this is the start for the new Moxy Hotel by Marriott. They are keeping the building facades along Main Street and demo'd the buildings themselves, will be constructing a new building behind the preserved street facades.  It will butt up to the Pure Romance building and Fort Washington Capital building (70's glass facade building) 

Edited October 31, 20222 yr by savadams13

15 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

 

Yep this is the start for the new Moxy Hotel by Marriott. They are keeping the building facades along Main Street and demo'd the buildings themselves, will be constructing a new building behind the preserved street facades.  It will butt up to the Pure Romance building and Fort Washington Capital building (70's glass facade building) 

Some info and great photos of construction.

 

https://www.hifive1.com/in-the-works-moxy-of-cincinnati/

On 10/24/2022 at 10:48 AM, ColDayMan said:

 

I mean, it's not unusual.  Dayton moved their downtown Greyhound station to Trotwood (an old Children's Palace, at that) years ago.  Columbus is also moving the Greyhound station out of downtown.

 

The entire Greyhound real estate portfolio is in the process of being sold off.

 

 

3 hours ago, 646empire said:

Some info and great photos of construction.

 

https://www.hifive1.com/in-the-works-moxy-of-cincinnati/

 

Are there any renderings of the finished product? They mention, "the seventh floor will be home to the Observerie Rooftop Bar," so I'm expecting the rear addition will be about 3 stories taller than the historic facades.

7 hours ago, taestell said:

 

Are there any renderings of the finished product? They mention, "the seventh floor will be home to the Observerie Rooftop Bar," so I'm expecting the rear addition will be about 3 stories taller than the historic facades.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/08/06/exclusive-boutique-hotel-planned-for-historic-main.html

 

Heres the renderings from 2018. Not sure if the design has changed at all. 

Greyhound exits downtown site owned by Chavez Properties

By Meg Erpenbeck  –  Digital editor, Cincinnati Business Courier

Nov 2, 2022

 

Greyhound Lines Inc. is exiting its downtown location near Hard Rock Casino Cincinnati, officials confirmed Wednesday.

 

According to a news release, Greyhound has begun operations at its new facility located at 398 E. Galbraith Rd., effective Nov. 2. Greyhound previously operated from a 2.5-acre site located at 1005 Gilbert Ave.

 

The move comes roughly a year after downtown-based Chavez Properties purchased the site for $4.25 million. At the time, Martin Chavez II, who oversees the firm's non-parking, transitional properties, said the deal fits the company's strategy of chasing land deals with "attractive repositioning and/or higher and better use potential."

 

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44 minutes ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Greyhound exits downtown site owned by Chavez Properties

By Meg Erpenbeck  –  Digital editor, Cincinnati Business Courier

Nov 2, 2022

 

Greyhound Lines Inc. is exiting its downtown location near Hard Rock Casino Cincinnati, officials confirmed Wednesday.

 

According to a news release, Greyhound has begun operations at its new facility located at 398 E. Galbraith Rd., effective Nov. 2. Greyhound previously operated from a 2.5-acre site located at 1005 Gilbert Ave.

 

The move comes roughly a year after downtown-based Chavez Properties purchased the site for $4.25 million. At the time, Martin Chavez II, who oversees the firm's non-parking, transitional properties, said the deal fits the company's strategy of chasing land deals with "attractive repositioning and/or higher and better use potential."

 

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What’s are the chances that Hard Rock is going to put the hotel at this site? 

14 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

What’s are the chances that Hard Rock is going to put the hotel at this site? 

Last I heard the Hard Rock Hotel plans are done ready to go and it’s not at this site.

I'm hitting the powerball tongiht; here comes a Greyhound track.  

18 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

What’s are the chances that Hard Rock is going to put the hotel at this site? 

Hard Rock has expressed a preference in the past for someone to develop this site into multifamily. The hotel will go where the roundabout is I believe.

Using TIF funds to outsource the engineering.

That's great. Anything we can do to convert one-way streets in the CBD is going to go a long way towards making it feel like a neighborhood and not just a cluster of office buildings with one-way streets designed to let commuters zoom in at 9 a.m. and zoom out at 5 p.m. I hope they do Sycamore and Broadway next.

Cincinnati looks at converting Race and Vine streets to two-way downtown

By Chris Wetterich  –  Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Nov 8, 2022

 

The city of Cincinnati is looking at converting Race and Vine streets downtown into two-way streets.

 

In 2019, the city created a downtown pedestrian task force to look at ways to improve safety for people walking and moving around without a car downtown. One initiative included converting streets from one-way to two-way, which some transportation planners believe slows down traffic.

 

A third-party traffic engineering firm was hired to look at current conditions and to model traffic.

 

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Unfortunate that Broadway isn't included.

1 hour ago, Cygnus said:

Unfortunate that Broadway isn't included.

I think Vine/Race make more sense as a first step. Assuming it's successful, I wouldn't be surprised to see more streets in downtown converted to two-way, and I agree with you that Broadway/Sycamore would make sense to convert at some point in the future. 

I'm curious to hear the arguments on how this would help but my first instinct (I live off off Race between 6th/7th) is that it would be more dangerous for pedestrian traffic as you have cars coming from multiple directions.

 

Seems the city has given up on using any law enforcement to curb issues. The dirt bike dudes certainly didn't seem to care during last month's "traffic blitz"

 

 

22 minutes ago, dotunderscore said:

I'm curious to hear the arguments on how this would help but my first instinct (I live off off Race between 6th/7th) is that it would be more dangerous for pedestrian traffic as you have cars coming from multiple directions.

 

Seems the city has given up on using any law enforcement to curb issues. The dirt bike dudes certainly didn't seem to care during last month's "traffic blitz"

 

 

 

In general, traffic moves slower on two way streets vs. one way streets. If you have a one way like Race and Vine, you often have 2, maybe 3 lanes in a single direction. Drivers become overconfident and tend to not look for conflicts.

 

You also have two lanes that each feels like a through-lane, but cars still abruptly stop to turn. Drivers on a two-way street with one lane in each direction anticipate the need for cars to stop. The same is not often true of one-way streets with multiple lanes. This stopping causes other vehicles to quickly change lanes to get past a turning vehicle, which can be dangerous if you can't see past them (or aren't paying attention to your surroundings).

 

There are several other reasons, but these are probably the biggest. Yes, pedestrians have to look both ways, but it's likely with slower traffic.

Pedestrians need to put down their effing phones.  

 

I was in NYC last month for the first time in five years and was struck by all of the people using Google Maps to navigate...as a pedestrian.  They never looked up from Google Maps.  

 

Recently I worked with a few 20~ year-olds who don't know that street signs exist.  Literally.  I asked the one guy if he ever just looks at street signs out of curiosity while stopped at red lights and he said "no, I guess we're just from different generations, man".  

6 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Pedestrians need to put down their effing phones.  

 

 

Drivers need to put down their effing phones. Fixed it for you.

 

7 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

I was in NYC last month for the first time in five years and was struck by all of the people using Google Maps to navigate...as a pedestrian.  They never looked up from Google Maps.

 

What? I've spent a lot of time in NYC, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. including recently and I have NEVER seen this phenomenon. 

 

7 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Recently I worked with a few 20~ year-olds who don't know that street signs exist.  Literally.  I asked the one guy if he ever just looks at street signs out of curiosity while stopped at red lights and he said "no, I guess we're just from different generations, man".  

 

Well that's very weird. I don't know any 20-somethings that aren't aware of street signs. Heck, the children on my street are very aware of the names of the streets and use the street signs to navigate. I don't think this is a generational thing.

15 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Drivers need to put down their effing phones. Fixed it for you.

 

 

What? I've spent a lot of time in NYC, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. including recently and I have NEVER seen this phenomenon. 

 

 

Well that's very weird. I don't know any 20-somethings that aren't aware of street signs. Heck, the children on my street are very aware of the names of the streets and use the street signs to navigate. I don't think this is a generational thing.

Yeah....all of this is reading like a major exaggeration. I've lived in NYC almost 7 years now and the only time I've ever seen someone navigating via google maps is a tourist who is clearly just confused and trying to figure out where they're going. Or, in places that aren't a grid and therefore more challenging to navigate such as Lower Manhattan.

 

I struggle to believe there are any actual real humans unaware that street signs exist.

16 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

Yes, pedestrians have to look both ways, but it's likely with slower traffic.

When crossing a one-way street, I still look both ways. Partially it's out of habit but every time I realize I did it, I'm glad. I have zero trust that every driver will actually follow the rules of the road.

I do believe that there are young people who only navigate by Google Maps and don't know street signs exist, but they probably aren't people who would ever go into NYC and walk around.

2 hours ago, taestell said:

I do believe that there are young people who only navigate by Google Maps and don't know street signs exist, but they probably aren't people who would ever go into NYC and walk around.

 

You know how people use GPS while commuting and running errands in their neighborhoods - trips they've made hundreds of times?  Pedestrians are doing the same thing.  

 

 

 

2 hours ago, jmicha said:

I struggle to believe there are any actual real humans unaware that street signs exist.

 

I know a guy who owned a house in Clifton for 5+ years who claimed to have never seen or heard of a gaslight.  

36 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

You know how people use GPS while commuting and running errands in their neighborhoods - trips they've made hundreds of times?  Pedestrians are doing the same thing.  

 

 

 

 

Maybe they're playing Pokemon Go

 

 

 

19 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

 

In general, traffic moves slower on two way streets vs. one way streets. If you have a one way like Race and Vine, you often have 2, maybe 3 lanes in a single direction. Drivers become overconfident and tend to not look for conflicts.

 

You also have two lanes that each feels like a through-lane, but cars still abruptly stop to turn. Drivers on a two-way street with one lane in each direction anticipate the need for cars to stop. The same is not often true of one-way streets with multiple lanes. This stopping causes other vehicles to quickly change lanes to get past a turning vehicle, which can be dangerous if you can't see past them (or aren't paying attention to your surroundings).

 

There are several other reasons, but these are probably the biggest. Yes, pedestrians have to look both ways, but it's likely with slower traffic.

Thanks for the insight to the reasoning. For sure it's important to always look both ways (and both pedestrians and drivers need to put down phones).

 

2 existing intersections like the proposed are 4th/Broadway and 3rd/Central Ave.

 

 

 

 

On 11/8/2022 at 3:42 PM, dotunderscore said:

Seems the city has given up on using any law enforcement to curb issues. The dirt bike dudes certainly didn't seem to care during last month's "traffic blitz"

That's the feeling I get from this whole two way street change as well.

 

From the traffic counts Jefferson showing outliers going 60mph+ (I believe the peak was 80?) on a 35mph/25mph road, I find it hard to believe that the individuals or groups (the dirt bike dudes, atv guys, motorcycle group...) are going to stop what they're doing now that it's a two way road. I don't understand how the city government just ignores this problem when you can hear it across the city any time it's warm out.

The difference is that on a two-way street you will only have one travel lane in each direction, whereas on a one-way street you have two. So on Main Street, for example, you see cars or dirtbikes going way over the speed limit weaving between the two lanes. With a single travel lane you're limited by the slowest driver in that lane.

Am I off-base in thinking that the east-west streets generally feel more dangerous and high-speed in this respect than north-south? 

 

I am all for these conversions and look forward to more, but personally have the most close-calls nearest the highways. Speeding cars either rushing to hit the light to get onto the highway, or speeding off the highway and speeding to hit the last light before entering downtown. Thinking specifically of 7th & Broadway eastbound, 6th & Broadway westbound, and the 'poles' of 5th farthest from fountain and gov't square, but those are admittedly colored by my personal experience. 

That's definitely something they need to address as well. The East/West streets in OTR are generally narrow, not always continuous, and don't feed into major fast roads. Downtown that's not the case and people definitely treat them as extensions of the highway. It's a big problem that needs to be addressed.

2 hours ago, shawk said:

Am I off-base in thinking that the east-west streets generally feel more dangerous and high-speed in this respect than north-south? 

 

I am all for these conversions and look forward to more, but personally have the most close-calls nearest the highways. Speeding cars either rushing to hit the light to get onto the highway, or speeding off the highway and speeding to hit the last light before entering downtown. Thinking specifically of 7th & Broadway eastbound, 6th & Broadway westbound, and the 'poles' of 5th farthest from fountain and gov't square, but those are admittedly colored by my personal experience. 

5th in front of P&G is always shocking to me. Ridiculous number of lanes.

The companion bridge for BSB should be done in conjunction with converting all of the east/west streets to two-way, or at least allowing that option, but no one clearly cares.

If anything, building the new bridge makes it less likely the east-west streets will ever get converted to two-way. If there's a two lane onramp for I-75 N at the west end of Sixth Street, DOTE is going to make sure we keep two lanes headed towards that onramp, which means it's gotta stay one-way westbound.

 

The only real opportunity we have to convert an east-west street to two-way is Fourth Street, which will not connect to any highway ramps at either end once the new bridge is complete.

This project is underway as Lytle Park has been mostly fenced off.

 

Cincinnati's Lytle Park Renovation Project Breaks Ground

Nov 7, 2022

 

 

The Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners is excited to announce that the long-planned renovation of Lytle Park is set to break ground on November 7, 2022. This restoration project will bring new life to the underutilized park at the southeast corner of Downtown. 

 

Earlier this year, Cincinnati Parks re-bid the project within the City’s procurement guidelines and regulations. The impact of rapidly rising construction costs added $2 Million to the project since it was originally bid in 2018-2019. 

 

Western & Southern Financial Fund, which originally provided $1.6 Million toward the project, has agreed to provide additional contributions of almost $1.6 Million, for a total of $3.2 Million. The Board of Park Commissioners also agreed to use $400,000 in Park Board funding to help bridge the gap. The total cost of the project is expected to be $4.7 million.

 

“As frustrating as the project delays have been, we want to express our deep appreciation for the lasting commitment and funding Western & Southern has given to ensure this public park will be completely renovated for the enjoyment of generations of park neighbors, residents and visitors. They never wavered, and on behalf of all those who use and rely on our parks, we remain grateful to have their continued support,” said Jim Goetz, President of the Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners. 

 

”We are honored to be involved and appreciate the Park Board’s commitment to the Lytle Park neighborhood,” said Paul Silva, President of Eagle Realty Group, Western & Southern’s real estate investment subsidiary. “It is one of the best green spaces in the city, and we look forward to seeing more area residents, businesses and visitors re-discover the space.”

 

Cincinnati Parks Director Jason Barron added, “Restoring the highway tunnel has left Lytle Park a little bland. Well, that is about to change in a big way. We are excited to bring Lytle Park back to life and create an amazing public space where generations of Cincinnatians will get to have fun. The restoration of Lytle Park is another example of how Cincinnati is fortunate to have corporate partners like Western & Southern to help make big things happen.”

 

Completion is slated for fall 2023. Visit www.cincinnatiparks.com or @cincyparks on social media platforms for project updates.  

 

About the Project 

In January 2019, after a community engagement effort and collaboration with the project funding partner Western & Southern, the Board of Park Commissioners approved plans for the renovation and restoration of Lytle Park originally established as a Cincinnati Park in 1905. This renovation project became necessary due to the Ohio Department of Transportation’s (ODOT) Lytle Tunnel ventilation project completed in 2017. The project includes new hardscape with several plazas and brick walkways, a decorative fountain, a running track, new landscape, lighting, a boche ball court and benches (see images below for project rendering and site picture). 

 

The new park is made possible thanks to the generosity of Western & Southern Financial Group who, in addition to donating funds to renovate the park, have committed $40,000 annually to support ongoing maintenance. An additional $1.1 Million in funds received from ODOT as a result of the 2017 tunnel project will also be used.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, Cygnus said:

This project is underway as Lytle Park has been mostly fenced off.

 

Cincinnati's Lytle Park Renovation Project Breaks Ground

Nov 7, 2022

 

 

The Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners is excited to announce that the long-planned renovation of Lytle Park is set to break ground on November 7, 2022. This restoration project will bring new life to the underutilized park at the southeast corner of Downtown. 

 

Earlier this year, Cincinnati Parks re-bid the project within the City’s procurement guidelines and regulations. The impact of rapidly rising construction costs added $2 Million to the project since it was originally bid in 2018-2019. 

 

Western & Southern Financial Fund, which originally provided $1.6 Million toward the project, has agreed to provide additional contributions of almost $1.6 Million, for a total of $3.2 Million. The Board of Park Commissioners also agreed to use $400,000 in Park Board funding to help bridge the gap. The total cost of the project is expected to be $4.7 million.

 

“As frustrating as the project delays have been, we want to express our deep appreciation for the lasting commitment and funding Western & Southern has given to ensure this public park will be completely renovated for the enjoyment of generations of park neighbors, residents and visitors. They never wavered, and on behalf of all those who use and rely on our parks, we remain grateful to have their continued support,” said Jim Goetz, President of the Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners. 

 

”We are honored to be involved and appreciate the Park Board’s commitment to the Lytle Park neighborhood,” said Paul Silva, President of Eagle Realty Group, Western & Southern’s real estate investment subsidiary. “It is one of the best green spaces in the city, and we look forward to seeing more area residents, businesses and visitors re-discover the space.”

 

Cincinnati Parks Director Jason Barron added, “Restoring the highway tunnel has left Lytle Park a little bland. Well, that is about to change in a big way. We are excited to bring Lytle Park back to life and create an amazing public space where generations of Cincinnatians will get to have fun. The restoration of Lytle Park is another example of how Cincinnati is fortunate to have corporate partners like Western & Southern to help make big things happen.”

 

Completion is slated for fall 2023. Visit www.cincinnatiparks.com or @cincyparks on social media platforms for project updates.  

 

About the Project 

In January 2019, after a community engagement effort and collaboration with the project funding partner Western & Southern, the Board of Park Commissioners approved plans for the renovation and restoration of Lytle Park originally established as a Cincinnati Park in 1905. This renovation project became necessary due to the Ohio Department of Transportation’s (ODOT) Lytle Tunnel ventilation project completed in 2017. The project includes new hardscape with several plazas and brick walkways, a decorative fountain, a running track, new landscape, lighting, a boche ball court and benches (see images below for project rendering and site picture). 

 

The new park is made possible thanks to the generosity of Western & Southern Financial Group who, in addition to donating funds to renovate the park, have committed $40,000 annually to support ongoing maintenance. An additional $1.1 Million in funds received from ODOT as a result of the 2017 tunnel project will also be used.  

 

 

 

The design isn't bad,  I use the park often now, but where is Lincoln going? 

22 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

 

The design isn't bad,  I use the park often now, but where is Lincoln going? 

Behind the camera and to the right.

3 minutes ago, Dev said:

Behind the camera and to the right.

Ah sh*t, I fail at "I Spy" today... Thanks for pointing it out. 

It took them four years to build that hotel and the end product is insufferably boring.  

9 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

It took them four years to build that hotel and the end product is insufferably boring.  

I dont know what they could have done with the building though since it is in a historical district and was not going to be able to be torn down. 

So what comes next, W&S builds their new HQ or Eagle build a residential tower? I would imagine John Barrett would want to complete before retirement.


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6 minutes ago, lobanio0 said:

So what comes next, W&S builds their new HQ or Eagle build a residential tower? I would imagine John Barrett would want to complete before retirement.


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Residential tower of some sort. Not sure how tall it will be but it will likely be a residential tower.  Cant see anyone doing office in this environment right now.