a brutal brutalish transformed for 21c

On 5/24/2024 at 8:21 PM, RJohnson said:

a brutal brutalish transformed for 21c

Sir, this is an Art Deco building.

I guess articles about the building say International Style, but that cast stone is giving Union Terminal. Styles are like genres, fluid and fuzzy.

4 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

Sir, this is an Art Deco building.

 

2 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I guess articles about the building say International Style, but that cast stone is giving Union Terminal. Styles are like genres, fluid and fuzzy.

Im a little confused. your comment from 4 hours ago, is it stating that the building is an art deco building or are you saying my proposal of the reworked building looks to you like an art deco building?  If I'm not mistaken, I read an article on this site, urbanohio, that the building is a brutalist style building, and someone commented that the building shouldn't be altered very much from its current look. i cannot find that article or I would have quoted it in my comment. As far as my altered version goes my comment on my rendering has to do with brutalism and my lack of ability to alter this brutalist building style. for example, the old hilton convention center hotel has beautiful illustrations of its transformation, but if done no one can figure out how to replace the light bulbs that make the subtle brickwork economical. I guess you know a lot about this building and its international style and the cast stone. Or maybe you just left out a word or two. i.e., "is giving Union Terminal." in any event, I can't understand your statement. 

If this is an art deco building then it is probably the ugliest art deco building I have ever seen or someone confiscated all the art deco elements and took them to the wooden nickel. Furthermore, my comment said, "a brutal brutalish transformed for 21c". you see, it was sort of a self-critique and play on words at the same time. It was "brutal" as in ugly and brutalish alla representative santo not brutalist. now if I read any of this wrong let me know. but I attempted to correct the ugly parking lot into something more appealing to front 3rd. you see, when you stand in the lakefront park in Chicago and see the long row of beautiful buildings that run along the avenue I am reminded of the dutch guild-style buildings in Amsterdam. at present that building and its neighbor are not aesthetically pleasing buildings for the Cincinnati skyline or street wall. writing styles are like genres, fluid and fuzzy.

10 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

 

Im a little confused. your comment from 4 hours ago, is it stating that the building is an art deco building or are you saying my proposal of the reworked building looks to you like an art deco building?  If I'm not mistaken, I read an article on this site, urbanohio, that the building is a brutalist style building, and someone commented that the building shouldn't be altered very much from its current look. i cannot find that article or I would have quoted it in my comment. As far as my altered version goes my comment on my rendering has to do with brutalism and my lack of ability to alter this brutalist building style. for example, the old hilton convention center hotel has beautiful illustrations of its transformation, but if done no one can figure out how to replace the light bulbs that make the subtle brickwork economical. I guess you know a lot about this building and its international style and the cast stone. Or maybe you just left out a word or two. i.e., "is giving Union Terminal." in any event, I can't understand your statement. 

If this is an art deco building then it is probably the ugliest art deco building I have ever seen or someone confiscated all the art deco elements and took them to the wooden nickel. Furthermore, my comment said, "a brutal brutalish transformed for 21c". you see, it was sort of a self-critique and play on words at the same time. It was "brutal" as in ugly and brutalish alla representative santo not brutalist. now if I read any of this wrong let me know. but I attempted to correct the ugly parking lot into something more appealing to front 3rd. you see, when you stand in the lakefront park in Chicago and see the long row of beautiful buildings that run along the avenue I am reminded of the dutch guild-style buildings in Amsterdam. at present that building and its neighbor are not aesthetically pleasing buildings for the Cincinnati skyline or street wall. writing styles are like genres, fluid and fuzzy.

International Style according to the application for Historic Landmark (Item #2 in this HCB packet): https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/december-4-2023-case-materials-and-staff-reports/

 

5 hours ago, JYP said:

International Style according to the application for Historic Landmark (Item #2 in this HCB packet): https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/december-4-2023-case-materials-and-staff-reports/

 

thanks for the link. those were very nice photos of the Pogue building. Ive seen it for many years and never saw it this way. when I think international I think bauhaus maybe or what grew out of it. Is the seemingly attached charcoal building a part of it? maybe a later addition? those windows and doors remind me of a nightmare ghetto. needs more graffiti though. if the charcoal part is part of this property that inspires me. It is just not presented well. I'd love to see proposals making the two separate but equal, if you will, look. as it looks now seems like the last warehouse at the dock. i see seagulls flying and smell the sea.

Without reading up on the building, I labeled it Art Deco because of the cast stone elements and how they seem like embellishments to me and I am more familiar with International style eschewing any type of embellishment. Like I said in my follow up post, styles are fluid and art deco and international style buildings were being built at the same time, with the same technology, using the same tradespeople, and I will stand by this building have more art deco embellishment than the "purest" of international style buildings (Like the much referenced Terrace Plaza). In any case, I mostly wanted to point out that it is not a brutalist building. After reading up, I see that other architectural scholars who have done more research than me label it international style; even though they point out the most comparable projects to this one by Hake and Hake are both Art Deco: W&S and Shillito. 

44 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

After reading up, I see that other architectural scholars who have done more research than me label it international style; even though they point out the most comparable projects to this one by Hake and Hake are both Art Deco: W&S and Shillito. 

some poured/formed concrete that spans 2 floors and a semi-faux portico do not make that art deco for me. but a large brick slab of a building and whatever additional minimalist filagree the architect added to please the client doesn't change the fact that it is a "brutal brutalish building", especially my rendering. I figured your comments were claiming that my attempt to alter and make it more presentable was taking away the brutalist character of the building and making it "too" art deco.  you weren't saying that at all. quickly referring to an article, you read most likely online, is the bane of this generation. there are books that pinpoint elements of style and why and how they are used. pointing out the tradespeople, and saying your referenced buildings use the same materials and at the same time. have little to do with styles and motifs used at any particular time. and there is a reason why catherals are often called Romanesque or Gothic. and of course, some buildings use elements of both. I would love to hear the conversation between the Hakes and the client. the pogue building to your point was built in 1947. a quick google says that Art Deco was from 1919 to 1939. and even though wiki world says the following, "In spite of its impressive size, the Fourth Street store was not enough to contain the business after two decades. Shillito again used architect McLaughlin to erect an L-shaped six-story building with basement and sub-cellar[2] on the SW corner of Race and Seventh Streets, moving his store there in 1879". god, I hope this is a typo. i have included a few examples that to me a little closer to the definitions. when I think art deo it looks like the Chrysler building in NYC or the iconic Union Terminal. maybe this building was built in 1879 and later they added the art deco facade.

 

 

There are books about architecture? Nah, I don't believe that. 

 

I'm joking. I'm not sure where our conversation went down this path and I apologize for my contributions that got us here, less because I don't enjoy talking about architecture and more so because conversations about style are circular, unending, and lead nowhere. @RJohnson's original sketch and comment confused me, partially due to lack of capitalization and punctuation, and also maybe a few missing words (what was that about banes of generations?). From the illustrator's perspective, I thought the sketch was attempting to give a brutalist building an upgrade for the 21st Century. I didn't see it. My comment in response was alluding to a popular meme; "Sir (or Ma'am) this is a Wendy's." This is used by people (of certain generations) "to deflect overbearing or subjectively tiresome statements or questions, as well as comments that are bizarre."  1) the comment was bizarre because neither the existing building or my perception of the sketch are Brutalist. 2) the caption was subjectively tiresome to me because from the standpoint of someone with two architecture degrees, I am exhausted by folks equating Brutalism with ugliness. Replacing "Wendy's" with "Art Deco" was my attempt at appropriating the meme with my educated determination of the style of the building. After reading an article (such a hallmark of my generation) about the future of this specific building and the report that @JYP kindly posted, I can see that while there is plenty of cited examples of the building's Art Deco characteristics and like-buildings (and none of its brutalist characteristics, of which it does not have) the authors of the report ultimately determined that the building was and is an example of the International Style. Interestingly enough, I think this building's style would be more difficult to determine if it had been built as it was originally rendered, with limestone in place of the brick. In that case, I do think that the building would be indistinguishable, stylistically, from the updated Shillito façade which is markedly Art Deco. Would it still be considered an International Style building or would scholars put it in the Art Deco camp as they do the Shillito façade? 

 

In any case, I am ashamed that I took the bait and performed architecture snobbery here. I don't really like to do that, but it is a slow day for me. 

 

 

3 hours ago, RJohnson said:

maybe this building was built in 1879 and later they added the art deco facade.

 

This is exactly what happened. You can still see the original façade on the south side of the building.

 

I'm just trying to figure out what a brutal brutalish building is...

6 hours ago, RJohnson said:

quickly referring to an article, you read most likely online, is the bane of this generation.

it was a comment on someone with a smartphone taking the easy way out. "it is the bane of this generation". you might care to read your comment. it goes,  ...what was that about banes of generations?

 

On 5/24/2024 at 8:21 PM, RJohnson said:

a brutal brutalish transformed for 21c

 

again, if you actually read the description  "a brutal (referring to its ugliness) brutalish (maybe that was a "meme", referring to George Santos who said, I didn't say I was jewish or a jew, I said I was jewish.) remember.

 

3 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I can see that while there is plenty of cited examples of the building's Art Deco characteristics and like-buildings (and none of its brutalist characteristics, of which it does not have) the authors of the report ultimately determined that the building was and is an example of the International Style.

before we go any further, I on the other hand have no degrees in architecture, but am interested in architecture and its history. so I read, look and attempt to sketch ideas instead of writing about them. Just to let you know I was top of the class in every Evelyn Woodhead's Speed Reading Course I ever took. and I enjoy the chance to express myself in the queen's english. 

 

so i won this one because the authors more closely agreed with me. but then again writing styles are like genres, fluid and fuzzy. and besides the terrace hilton is brick and I think you think it is a brutalist-style building.

 

 

3 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

think this building's style would be more difficult to determine if it had been built as it was originally rendered, with limestone in place of the brick.

 

but it wasn't. it was built with brick and "looks" nothing like W&S or Shillitos. so since it was designed one way and built another, it is what I say it is and that is ugly. maybe the bastard child of Erte and Alison and Peter Smithson, those crazy "beats" and their bongos.

 

 

7 hours ago, RJohnson said:

"In spite of its impressive size, the Fourth Street store was not enough to contain the business after two decades. Shillito again used architect McLaughlin to erect an L-shaped six-story building with basement and sub-cellar[2] on the SW corner of Race and Seventh Streets, moving his store there in 1879". god, I hope this is a typo. i have included a few examples that to me are little closer to the definitions. when I think art deco it looks like the Chrysler building in NYC or the iconic Union Terminal. maybe this building was built in 1879 and later they added the art deco facade.

here I was talking about the art deco building on 7th. Are you telling me that 7th street building was first built and then later they replaced the facade with an art deco design? 

you said in your comment, "This is exactly what happened. You can still see the original façade on the south side of the building".

do you think I was talking about the pogue building? Do you have any idea when the facade changed? i read and skimmed a few wiki articles and I never saw a comment about that. you would think someone would have mentioned it. I went to the CHS website but was unable to break the code. i was unable to figure out how to peruse the wiki stacks at the historical society. 

 

as far as taking the bait and the direction this conversation went, I enjoyed it. and learned a lot, but not about architecture.

38 minutes ago, zsnyder said:

I'm just trying to figure out what a brutal brutalish building is..

this is your lucky day. go to third and race. gaze upon the "brutal beauty" of this "brutalish stack of bricks."  and we thank you.

 

34 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

do you think I was talking about the pogue building?

No.

34 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

Are you telling me that 7th street building was first built and then later they replaced the facade with an art deco design? 

Yes.

 

42 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

Do you have any idea when the facade changed?

1938

source: JSTOR (The collections in JSTOR include peer-reviewed scholarly journals, respected literary journals, academic monographs, research reports, and primary sources from libraries' special collections and archives.)

https://library.artstor.org/#/public/35170870

"When the original building opened in 1878, it housed the largest department store in the country. George Marshall Martin and George Roth updated the facade of the building in 1938. The Art Deco styling is seen in the horizontal interplay of granite, marble and limestone. The motifs seen on the facade are influenced by Mayan art. In 1982 Shillito's merged to become Shillito Rikes and in 1986 the department store came to be known as Lazarus. The original interior design, created by Cincinnati architect James W. McLaughlin, was modeled after Le Bon Marche in Paris. It consisted of an arcaded atrium, 120 feet high, capped by a glass dome 60 feet across. This feature has been restored with the opening of the residential Lofts at Shillito Place."

 

45 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

learned a lot, but not about architecture.

anything yet?

5 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

do you think I was talking about the pogue building?

thanks. and for the next answer, thanks. and for the following one, "I learned!" as many times as I've been in that alley and gone to play racketball at the workout place, I've never noticed that brick wall. and thanks for the reference material. 

i do appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. 

"Sir (or Ma'am) this is a Wendy's." I know nothing about this meme. probably a westside thing.

"I don't enjoy talking about architecture and more so because conversations about style are circular, unending, and lead nowhere." well it did lead somewhere. i learned that shillitos building was recladded, and you learned that the pogue building was, by the scholars, still considered an international style building".  and everyone knows that the scholars are always the final word.

"to deflect overbearing or subjectively tiresome statements or questions, as well as comments that are bizarre."  1) the comment was bizarre because neither the existing building or my perception of the sketch are Brutalist. 2) the caption was subjectively tiresome to me because from the standpoint of someone with two architecture degrees, I am exhausted by folks equating Brutalism with ugliness. 

let me just throw this out there for your consideration. maybe get another degree. then you could appreciate someone with questions. just ask socrates.

the word bizarre smells a bit snobbish. "your bizarre is my mundane." -Rrose Selavy.  but as a scholar yourself, with your degrees and such, I'm surprised you took the time to participate in the repartee.  look on the bright side you still got a chance to talk about something you hate talking about. 

Brutalism: a style of architecture or art characterized by a deliberate plainness, crudity, or violence of imagery. some would say the definition itself defines something ugly. I think it does. and, even if you had 4 degrees I would still think it is an ugly building. and, if you comment on my posts again I'll not only tire you, I will probably put you to sleep. c'est la vie.

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Model Group plans $26.5M conversion of two downtown buildings to residential

By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

May 30, 2024

 

Model Group plans to convert one downtown building currently used as a self-storage site, as well as another vacant structure, as part of a $26.5 million apartment project.

 

Oskamp Flats will bring 70 new, affordable senior housing apartments to 26 W. Seventh St. and 223 W. Fourth St. The developer received low-income housing tax credits earlier this month needed to make the project work.

 

“It gives it a high degree of likelihood we can get there,” Model Group CEO Bobby Maly said. “We’ve got some work to do, but that gives us basically the lion’s share of the funding to give it a real path to get started by early 2025.”

 

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So was looking at the other recent sales, looks like the mason(TRUSTEES OF THE SCOTTISH RITE BODIES OF THE VALLEY OF CINCINNATI) recently purchased the phoenix. Are they relocating , and Does this indicate that W&S is going forward with taking over their building?

Yes and yes.

What are Western and Southerns plan again for the Masonic Temple building? I thought I recall them floating the idea of turning the building into a event center a few years back...

He recently said they want to build a JW there and plus event space and other things. He said give them 2 to 3 years.

8 hours ago, jmblec2 said:

He recently said they want to build a JW there and plus event space and other things. He said give them 2 to 3 years.

 

Who is he and where did 'he' say they wanted to build a JW Marriott there?

John Barret: search " let's talk cincy" starts around min. 20.

Scottish Rite Masons buy building downtown, opening door for Western & Southern temple purchase

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jun 20, 2024

 

The Scottish Rite Masons will relocate to another building downtown, opening up a tantalizing development opportunity in a closely watched part of Cincinnati’s urban core.

 

Valley of Cincinnati, the local branch of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, closed June 4 on the purchase of 812 Race St. The building is the former longtime home of the Phoenix event center, which closed in December of last year.

 

The fraternity, through its trustee organization, paid $2.2 million for the building, according to Hamilton County Auditor records.

 

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That's some fortuitous timing for that article 

9 hours ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

Who is he and where did 'he' say they wanted to build a JW Marriott there?

He is the CEO of Western Southern, and extremely influential in Cincinnati. A division of his company owns multiple hotels including Lytle Park Hotel and a lot of property in that area. He said they would like to build a JW on top of a new parking structure and use the Temple building as a giant event-entertainment hub.

O/U on this happening before convention hotel?

 

While we are dreaming, it sounds like the places for skyscraper/high-rise to add to the skyline would be:

5th & Plum (Convention Hotel)

5th & Broadway (JW)

5th & Lawrence (WS HQ)

 

I assume all of these would be 300'+

 

Edited June 20, 2024Jun 20 by Rabbit Hash

1 hour ago, jmblec2 said:

John Barret: search " let's talk cincy" starts around min. 20.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TySuKt-AY

 

 

And the key quote: "If we can get parking, etc. with [the Masonic Temple], I'd love to build a JW Marriott on top of the new parking facility, and use the Masonic Temple as the hub of the place. The building is 340,000 feet. It's an entertainment mecca. All the things you can do in it. And we will do it!"

 

I think he meant to say "340,000 square feet", but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody know where the parking facility would be? Would it just be on the current surface parking at the corner of Broadway and 5th? That parking lot is roughly 70'x146', for a total footprint just over 10k sq ft.  I don't know enough about hotels to know if that's an appropriate footprint.

 

1 hour ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

That's some fortuitous timing for that article 

 

Oh, the reporters read UO.

52 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

O/U on this happening before convention hotel?

 

While we are dreaming, it sounds like the places for skyscraper/high-rise to add to the skyline would be:

5th & Plum (Convention Hotel)

5th & Broadway (JW)

5th & Lawrence (WS HQ)

 

I assume all of these would be 300'+

 

Zero percent chance this happens before The Convention Hotel, that project is imminent. Yes it’s been slow but that project is happening soon. 

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

I think he meant to say "340,000 square feet", but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody know where the parking facility would be? Would it just be on the current surface parking at the corner of Broadway and 5th? That parking lot is roughly 70'x146', for a total footprint just over 10k sq ft.  I don't know enough about hotels to know if that's an appropriate footprint.

 

 

There has been one at least one development concept in the past that called for demolishing the wing of the Masonic Temple that extends to Broadway. You basically lose one large theatre space within the building. That gives you a larger base for parking and a hotel tower.

 

If something like that happens, I hope the Broadway façade would be retained. 

This is the JW Marriot in Charlotte; just trying to think of precedents folks at the top might be looking at if a hotel is a potential for the site's future. The tower portion is about 13,000sf per floor. The corner of 5th and Broadway could hold ~11,000sf. A horrendous parking garage accompanies.

 

Given the comment "if we can get parking" I think that would mean that they have "got" parking and that parking is probably a block or so away. Will certainly be interesting to see the future of this corner of downtown if there are two new shiny towers in the relatively near future.

I'm certainly concerned about the parking comment. Hopefully they bury it somewhere nearby and lean heavily into shuttling and/or valet. IIRC the city is dropping a lane from 5th at Broadway to install a bump-out which will lead to protected 24/7 parking on the north side of the block. It would be great if the city continued you that for the south side of the block, and W&S end up turning the existing lot at the corner into some kind of amenity space.

the facade of the SW building, plus the facade of the Taft Theatre could be kept and springboard a return to a classical style of building, with greek columns. then brought into the 21C with a modernist and postmodernist twist like philip johnson would do. it would be nice to see what architects could do to coordinate past and future. If we can't go that far back maybe the art deco period? some say it's coming back around. parking garages across the street from p&g doesn't sound very nice, but storefronts with shops could work. put the garages in the back.

I can't believe that people are okay with the Taft Theater and Masonic Temple being demolished for yet another generic office tower. 

 

There has been this weird shift among online personalities in the last five years where everyone went from hyper-vigilant historic preservation to the exact same people vilifying you for holding up "progress", i.e. Coney Island. 

 

17 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

I can't believe that people are okay with the Taft Theater and Masonic Temple being demolished for yet another generic office tower. 

 

There has been this weird shift among online personalities in the last five years where everyone went from hyper-vigilant historic preservation to the exact same people vilifying you for holding up "progress", i.e. Coney Island. 

 

What are you talking about? John Barrett said he's hoping to build a JW Marriott (no mention of more office) and he specifically said he wants to the use the Masonic Temple as the "hub", extolling all the things you can "do in it". We don't know all the details, but it sure sounds like he wants to renovate it and re-use it. So, not sure why you're so certain it's going to be demolished for "yet another generic office tower".

I also seem to remember a residential tower at 3rd & Broadway as well. If only Barrett would go on a building spree, that corner of the CBD would fill up the skyline.

 

On 6/21/2024 at 11:32 AM, Rabbit Hash said:

I also seem to remember a residential tower at 3rd & Broadway as well. If only Barrett would go on a building spree, that corner of the CBD would fill up the skyline.

 

 

 

Yeah they tore down three historic row houses on Arch St. in anticipation of this tower and then...didn't build anything.   They two down two medium-sized buildings on 4th and...didn't build anything. 

They've always said their development goals were long-term and there was no indication back when they tore those Arch Street houses down that it would be for a replacement anytime soon.

 

I seem to also remember them saying they wouldn't be building anything new until after the Lytle Park project was through. It seems like they might actually be looking to gear up some of these projects, but this has historically never been a company that moves quickly. I do think we'll eventually see them do some major projects over there, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still years away from starting and will take a long time to complete the various projects they may have on their docket.

On 6/19/2024 at 3:40 PM, jmblec2 said:

He recently said they want to build a JW there and plus event space and other things. He said give them 2 to 3 years.

If Barrett said it then Eagle Development must be working on preliminary plans and working on achieving the flag for JW Marriott. This now eliminates another potential convention center hotel brand. So looks more and more like Omni for the convention center.

18 hours ago, jmicha said:

They've always said their development goals were long-term and there was no indication back when they tore those Arch Street houses down that it would be for a replacement anytime soon.

 

I seem to also remember them saying they wouldn't be building anything new until after the Lytle Park project was through. It seems like they might actually be looking to gear up some of these projects, but this has historically never been a company that moves quickly. I do think we'll eventually see them do some major projects over there, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still years away from starting and will take a long time to complete the various projects they may have on their docket.

He said 2 to 3 years.

2 hours ago, jmblec2 said:

He said 2 to 3 years.

At this rate this hotel may get built before the convention hotel. 

It feels like downtown is growing for sure but a lot of it being conversions.

 

I myself kind of wonder with the pandemic and WFH, if we won't continue to see more conversions until it hits a certain saturation point then start to see more residential towers being built?

 

I know I could do the work myself if I really wanted but does anyone have any idea about the residential population downtown now vs. say 2010? I think there used to be a report every year like the state of downtown but I can't seem to find it anywhere, it's been quite a few years since I read the report and I can't remember who published it?

It was published by Downtown Cincinnati, Inc., which is now part of 3CDC I believe.

 

State of Downtown

Edited June 25, 2024Jun 25 by The_Cincinnati_Kid

On 6/25/2024 at 1:04 PM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

It was published by Downtown Cincinnati, Inc., which is now part of 3CDC I believe.

 

State of Downtown

Thanks for that!

 

For downtown it looks like there is a ton of new residents on the docket already with the conversions going on, which should really bump up the numbers in the next 5 years or so.

Model Group plans to rehabilitate nine structures, build 107 apartments downtown, OTR

By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jun 27, 2024

 

Model Group plans a major, new $37.8 million project in downtown and Over-the-Rhine, converting nine mostly vacant historic buildings and constructing a new one for market-rate residential and commercial use.

 

The buildings will include a mix of studios, one- and two-bedroom apartments, with most of them being one bedroom. They will have 12,000 square feet of commercial space.

 

“Because we’ve got multiple buildings … this one is really more like what we’ve done in Over-the-Rhine,” Model Group CEO Bobby Maly told the Business Courier in May. “We’re renovating the buildings, but there aren’t a lot of amenities in the building. The amenity is the neighborhood.”

 

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I think this has been asked already but does anyone know if the Pendry Hotel is still happening? I thought I saw some people working on it when I was at Richter & Philips the other day.

Edited July 1, 2024Jul 1 by cblhaus

As far as I know, the Pendry Hotel is still moving forward, there seems to be active construction and I haven't heard anything about financing falling through or anything like that.

 

The Business Courier did publish a list of projects that got passed over for funding in the latest round of tax credits.

41 minutes ago, taestell said:

As far as I know, the Pendry Hotel is still moving forward, there seems to be active construction and I haven't heard anything about financing falling through or anything like that.

 

The Business Courier did publish a list of projects that got passed over for funding in the latest round of tax credits.

Cool, thanks! Should be an incredible addition to the city. I’ve looked at some pictures of their other hotels and they are stunning.

11 minutes ago, cblhaus said:

Cool, thanks! Should be an incredible addition to the city. I’ve looked at some pictures of their other hotels and they are stunning.

They recently started repainting the ironwork on the windows a dark green that looks great. Work is still progressing.

Work is proceeding, but no longer with the Pendry flag.  Still promising to be the most high end hotel in Cincinnati.

9 minutes ago, thesenator said:

Work is proceeding, but no longer with the Pendry flag.  Still promising to be the most high end hotel in Cincinnati.

You can't just drop this tea and leave the room!  Is the hotel still going to be a Montage-brand or more of a basic brand i.e. Hilton or Marriott boutique hotel?