August 3, 20186 yr Honest question: What do the hundreds of thousands of people across cities in Europe do in situations like that? I stayed in an airbnb in Paris on the 7th floor with no elevator in a 200+ year old building. If you break your leg, what you do in that situation? Or maybe its not really that common for something like that to happen to those people because they aren't out 4 wheeling or jet skiing on the weekends. They have universal healthcare so they get their injuries fixed instead of letting them nag for years?
August 3, 20186 yr There are plenty of walkups in other US cities and obviously tons around the world. It's something you have to deal with when living in certain urban environments.
August 3, 20186 yr Honest question: What do the hundreds of thousands of people across cities in Europe do in situations like that? I stayed in an airbnb in Paris on the 7th floor with no elevator in a 200+ year old building. If you break your leg, what you do in that situation? Or maybe its not really that common for something like that to happen to those people because they aren't out 4 wheeling or jet skiing on the weekends. This is completely anecdotal, but it seems like I see a lot of elderly people in foreign countries and even in some big US cities that have no problems walking around, going up stairs, etc. If you saw them from a distance you would assume they are 50 or 60, not 80 or 90. But in most of the US, most of our elderly people have all sorts of problems getting around, struggling to even walk more than a few steps without a cane or mobility scooter. It's almost like, if you spend your entire life in urban areas, walking multiple blocks to go places and going up multiple flights of stairs every day, it's no big deal; but if you spend most of your life in the suburbs, driving everywhere, you run into more health problems as you get older...
August 3, 20186 yr Property values get high enough and people will... though at a discount to everything around it. Yeah a younger person might, but then would learn their lesson the first time they get sick or injured and can hardly get back into or out of their unit. Doesn't always work this way in larger cities, I think Travis is right on this.
August 3, 20186 yr We have a neighbor here in E. Walnut Hills across the street and he is 80 I could have sworn he was 65, the dude gets up on his three story roof and is chopping down trees and stuff, it's incredible!
August 3, 20186 yr This is completely anecdotal, but it seems like I see a lot of elderly people in foreign countries and even in some big US cities that have no problems walking around, going up stairs, etc. If you saw them from a distance you would assume they are 50 or 60, not 80 or 90. But in most of the US, most of our elderly people have all sorts of problems getting around, struggling to even walk more than a few steps without a cane or mobility scooter. It's almost like, if you spend your entire life in urban areas, walking multiple blocks to go places and going up multiple flights of stairs every day, it's no big deal; but if you spend most of your life in the suburbs, driving everywhere, you run into more health problems as you get older... I notice this as well. Whenever I am at Kroger, I see people who are in their 50's or even younger really struggling to get from their vehicle to the store, and then grabbing one of those electric scooters. I have seen several young but very overweight people do the same. But abroad you see older people climbing in and out of trams/metros/mini-busses with bags, riding bikes with loads on their back, and everything else.
August 3, 20186 yr So is the new addition going to front 3rd street or Main? It will front Hammond Street. You will probably see it sticking out visually from Second street than Third Street
August 6, 20186 yr Boutique hotel planned for historic Main Street buildings Three historic downtown Cincinnati buildings could be combined to become a boutique hotel. Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. is scheduled to go before the Historic Conservation Board on Aug. 6 for a certificate of appropriateness and zoning relief for the buildings at 308-316 Main St. 3CDC is proposing to demolish a rear portion of the buildings and construct an addition to create a 93-room hotel. New signage and canopies are being proposed and will require zoning relief. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/08/06/exclusive-boutique-hotel-planned-for-historic-main.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 7, 20186 yr Planned boutique hotel on Main Street lands key approval A plan to combine three historic buildings on Main Street in downtown Cincinnati received a key approval on Monday. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/08/07/planned-boutique-hotel-on-main-street-lands-key.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 11, 20186 yr Is 3rd time the charm to convert former P&G office building into a hotel? A former Procter & Gamble Co. office building in downtown Cincinnati could get new life as a hotel. This marks the third time building owner Scott Street Partners has had a deal with a hotel operator to open a hotel at 299 E. Sixth St. The two previous deals to convert the 10-story historic building into a hotel did not come to fruition. According to the Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credit application for the project, the conversion of the Duttenhofer Building, also known as the Sycamore Building, would be a $27.5 million investment. The project is requesting more than $2.7 million in tax credits. Cont. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
January 22, 20196 yr I wonder if this is for the spot where cvs was. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/22/cincinnati-developer-negotiating-lease-for-fortune.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline. Edited January 22, 20196 yr by Ucgrad2015
January 31, 20196 yr There was a fire at 312 Plum this morning causing the building to be evacuated. I hope there wasn't too much damage. That building was just renovated within the past couple of years.
January 31, 20196 yr On 1/22/2019 at 6:26 AM, Ucgrad2015 said: I wonder if this is for the spot where cvs was. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/22/cincinnati-developer-negotiating-lease-for-fortune.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline. This ended up being Amazon: https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/143-dayton-random-development-and-news/?do=findComment&comment=874833 "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
January 31, 20196 yr "Negotiating Lease for Fortune 100 Retailer"..... aka a fu**ing Amazon distribution center. Not even back office jobs, just another distribution center like what is opening in Monroe. Biz Courier really overhyped this one.
January 31, 20196 yr 32 minutes ago, edale said: "Negotiating Lease for Fortune 100 Retailer"..... aka a fu**ing Amazon distribution center. Not even back office jobs, just another distribution center like what is opening in Monroe. Biz Courier really overhyped this one. Two different, unrelated stories. The downtown CVS and the Kettering Business Park site are owned by two different Cincinnati developers (Flaherty & Collins and TW Development, respectively). Edited January 31, 20196 yr by BigDipper 80 “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
January 31, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, taestell said: There was a fire at 312 Plum this morning causing the building to be evacuated. I hope there wasn't too much damage. That building was just renovated within the past couple of years. Looks like there is mostly smoke damage to the building. SHP Design is in the building and posted they were allowed to go back in and work. So i assume all is fine, plus the lunch lobby wasnt cancelled today.
February 1, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, BigDipper 80 said: Two different, unrelated stories. The downtown CVS and the Kettering Business Park site are owned by two different Cincinnati developers (Flaherty & Collins and TW Development, respectively). The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel. Edited February 1, 20196 yr by edale
February 1, 20196 yr 52 minutes ago, edale said: The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel. No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers.
February 1, 20196 yr 18 minutes ago, savadams13 said: No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers. Who can blame them? 4th and Race has been a complete fiasco from the beginning, and Millhaus was treated extraordinarily badly by the city. They won the RFP to develop market rate housing on the lot next to City Hall, only to have that taken away from them by some good ol' Cincinnati nepotism which awarded the land to Cincinnati Public Radio. If PG Sittenfeld ever runs for Mayor, I hope people call him out on that stunt. We practically begged out of town developers to come to Cincy in the Mallory administration, and then when they showed interest and came to town, they got run through the ringer. Imagine being Millhaus and spending all that time and money to design a project, win the RFP, and then have it all taken away from you at the last minute for some stupid homer project. They weren't even asking for a subsidy! Same thing happened with Promo West and concert venue at The Banks. Columbus company wants to develop something positive in Cincinnati, only to be chased out by defensive, myopic locals. It's stuff like this that makes me think the city will never really turn the proverbial corner. It's much too incestuous and skeptical/hostile to outsiders.
February 1, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, edale said: The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel. I mixed up FDP Cincinnati Inc with Flaherty & Collins, because the FDP folks are run by a David Flaherty. Anyway, I was referring to this article, which also refers to a Fortune 100 company at the CVS and is distinct from the Kettering Business Park article. The article you linked always mentioned that it was a project destined for Kettering, not Cincinnati. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
February 1, 20196 yr ^ Yes, it always mentioned it was going to Kettering. I wasn't confused with the Downtown CVS site. I was merely saying the article makes a big deal of calling it a "lease for a fortune 100 retailer", but it's just another distribution center, which is really not that big of a get in the grand scheme of things. Greater Cincinnati is getting one of those near the airport in Kentucky and one in Monroe. They're crap jobs that don't pay well, and will probably be fully automated as soon as Bezos can figure out how to do so.
February 1, 20196 yr Ah, gotcha. Wasn't sure if you were mixing up the two articles, but it looks like it was me just putting too much thought into it! I'd agree, warehouse jobs really aren't great and it's worrisome how quickly a lot of communities in Ohio have been to cash in on them. They're most likely just a "quick hit", not any sort of good long-term solution. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
February 1, 20196 yr A lot of the B2B and large-item warehouses seen in Groveport such as Whirlpool and Kubota are long-term, but things like Amazon and some apparel warehouses can see their companies become uncool at any time.
February 1, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, edale said: Who can blame them? 4th and Race has been a complete fiasco from the beginning, and Millhaus was treated extraordinarily badly by the city. They won the RFP to develop market rate housing on the lot next to City Hall, only to have that taken away from them by some good ol' Cincinnati nepotism which awarded the land to Cincinnati Public Radio. If PG Sittenfeld ever runs for Mayor, I hope people call him out on that stunt. We practically begged out of town developers to come to Cincy in the Mallory administration, and then when they showed interest and came to town, they got run through the ringer. Imagine being Millhaus and spending all that time and money to design a project, win the RFP, and then have it all taken away from you at the last minute for some stupid homer project. They weren't even asking for a subsidy! Same thing happened with Promo West and concert venue at The Banks. Columbus company wants to develop something positive in Cincinnati, only to be chased out by defensive, myopic locals. It's stuff like this that makes me think the city will never really turn the proverbial corner. It's much too incestuous and skeptical/hostile to outsiders. Exactly the current administration is playing the whole, "pay to play" scenario and becoming hostile toward out of town money. This is a reason why our city will continue to he outpaced by cities like Nashville and Columbus. We continue to only look inward and not outward. Our ideas are small not big. That conservative idealogy is strangling the big potential that could be downtown.
February 1, 20196 yr ^It's because local developers donated big to Cranley. They paid relative pennies to have the city set up sweetheart deals for them. That's why they had 700WLW and the Enquirer endlessly harass Mallory and then Qualls.
February 1, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, savadams13 said: No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers. I'm trying to piece this together re. Terrace Plaza. Birkhla is still trying to get the Terrace signed over to him and I think on this one at least Cranley seems to back them getting the building and redeveloping how they came out with the renderings. I say that because Cranley came out with a smear campaign (rightfully so) of the current owners.
February 1, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, IAGuy39 said: I'm trying to piece this together re. Terrace Plaza. Birkhla is still trying to get the Terrace signed over to him and I think on this one at least Cranley seems to back them getting the building and redeveloping how they came out with the renderings. I say that because Cranley came out with a smear campaign (rightfully so) of the current owners. Cranley is only doing this now because of Batsakes space. Yes, its an institution in this city, but fact of the matter is the mayor was inconvenienced from getting his weekly shoe shine and that is why he is showing he has a spine again. At the end of the day none of his players want the Terrace Plaza. If 3CDC or North American wanted the building, you better believe he would have acted harshly when the sale of the building debacle happened last summer.
February 2, 20196 yr On 2/1/2019 at 12:26 AM, jmecklenborg said: ^It's because local developers donated big to Cranley. They paid relative pennies to have the city set up sweetheart deals for them. That's why they had 700WLW and the Enquirer endlessly harass Mallory and then Qualls. Developers don't really look at each other as competitors. That mean's they're all buddy buddy and share ideas and techniques with each other all the time. It also means that even if Cranley is a crappy part-time developer he still gets to run in their circle -- doubly so now since he's the mayor.
February 4, 20196 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/04/exclusive-former-p-g-hq-sells-to-firm-with-ties-to.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline would be great if this building was converted to apartments. The windows itself would be a seller.
February 8, 20196 yr Didn't see a thread for this building, but the building that housed the former McHahn's store at the corner of Seventh and Race is now undergoing interior demolition. It will become a TownePlace Suites by Marriott. It is catty corner to the Jeweler's Exchange building that is also being converted into a hotel. This is going to be a busy corner!
February 8, 20196 yr Yeah I live across the street from both of these buildings and can confirm work is progressing. The Jewler's Exchange/former Payless has been getting demoed for weeks now and they seem to be close to finished. The former McHan's building just started demo recently. It's great to see some work being done at both of these buildings since there wasn't really anything for months after the hotels were announced. Just adding Butcher and Barrel greatly helped to liven up our corner. When these hotels go in it's going to make a huge difference.
February 8, 20196 yr Cincinnati Bell and the parking garage across the street do a tremendous job of sucking the life out of this part of downtown. Hoping that these hotel developments may push the Shillito project forward and continue to move west. Another potential catalyst for this part of downtown is a two-way protected bike lane connecting Central Parkway to the Ohio River Trail. I think Randy Simes proposed this idea a while ago and I think about it all the time, living off Elm and walking and biking to my gym on 4th almost daily.
February 8, 20196 yr 30 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said: Another potential catalyst for this part of downtown is a two-way protected bike lane connecting Central Parkway to the Ohio River Trail. I think Randy Simes proposed this idea a while ago and I think about it all the time, living off Elm and walking and biking to my gym on 4th almost daily. Would love to see this happen. I guess we'll have to wait until Cranley is gone.
February 16, 20196 yr I work in this building, and I know for sure the new owners are kicking out every tenant by November 2019. The new owners plan to convert the building from class C office to 12 stories of luxury apartments. Personally I think it's a bad idea , and I would convert the building to class B office imho
February 16, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, cin614 said: I work in this building, and I know for sure the new owners are kicking out every tenant by November 2019. The new owners plan to convert the building from class C office to 12 stories of luxury apartments. Personally I think it's a bad idea , and I would convert the building to class B office imho Responding to another thread about this... Converting existing Class-A-B-C(D-E-F-G...) Office into Residential or Hotel is the ONLY way Cincinnati will ever get a new office tower without some out-of-cincinnati corporation moving their HQ's to town. There are way more buildings that should be converted to Residential or Hotel. Textile, Carew, PNC, Cincinnati Bell, that awesome art deco tower at Race and Ogden (name?), all of Hamilton County's downtown buildings except for the Courthouse.
February 16, 20196 yr Our client, Sheal Becker sold it and supposedly obtained the agreement that it would always be called the Becker Building. He handled that on his own. There was a plaque down on 4th St. for a while. We were on a run. There was the Cincinnati Terminal Warehouse, the SOmethingorother Shoe Bldg on Pike St. and the Becker Building all in one year. We made a fortune in fees. The only business in the Becker Building was Scarborough Fashions (little girls smocked dresses) and there were at least 6 vacant floors. Edited February 16, 20196 yr by 1400 Sycamore
February 20, 20196 yr The former Wendy's location, 220 E Fourth St., is under renovation. No indication of what might be going in there. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 20, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Cygnus said: The former Wendy's location, 220 E Fourth St., is under renovation. No indication of what might be going in there. OurHealth expands into Cincinnati - Cincinnati Business Courier https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/08/primary-care-clinic-expands-into-cincinnati.html?ana=e_ae_set1&s=article_du&ed=2019-02-08&u=rUmErdL%2BHIqM7KA%2FhBPGREhNT%2BC&t=1549661242&j=86561991 "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
February 20, 20196 yr I missed that story as well. Great to see vacant retail space in the urban core being filled, especially by something other than bars and restaurants.
February 20, 20196 yr Replacing a fast food restaurant that I visited often with a medical/health office seems like the universe is trying to tell my fat @$$ something. "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
February 26, 20196 yr Dog park, yoga lawn coming to downtown apartment buildings The owners of four downtown Cincinnati apartment buildings are adding a new amenity that is expected to be unique in the city. This rendering shows the large yoga lawn and dog park that is being built at Saint Xavier Park in downtown Cincinnati. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/26/exclusive-dog-park-yoga-lawn-coming-to-downtown.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 6, 20196 yr Stett Logistics is moving from their current office in Fort Mitchell to 110 E 8th St in downtown. Not a huge company (23 people), but always good to see growing companies choose to move to downtown. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/06/exclusive-one-of-cincinnati-s-largest-logistics.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Edited March 6, 20196 yr by jwulsin
March 8, 20196 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/07/city-council-texts-allege-that-kmk-consulting-ceo.html?fbclid=IwAR0Lh2Oa2Gq55FoSwpMZ8mOIYKUpakgaS72vOxIhh4OSEV02CBnwqg9SJf4 Other Sittenfeld/Seelbach texts discuss another allegation by Black, which he disclosed to council, that Cranley sought to steer a major redevelopment project to a company that had held a fundraiser for him. Their texts came on April 18, hours after Black decided to make the allegation public. Cranley has never publicly addressed the specifics of the allegation other than to say that he acted ethically and transparently. Black’s allegation was based on a conversation he said he had with the city’s then-economic development director, Oscar Bedolla. Black alleged that Bedolla told him a lobbyist for a company seeking the air rights over the Town Center Garage across Central Parkway from Music Hall had told Bedolla “what was really going on” was that the firm’s owner had held a fundraiser for Cranley in 2016 and that Cranley had promised him the air rights. Bedolla has declined to comment on Black’s recollection of the conversation over the past 11 months, but the lobbyist, Jim Benedict, has denied the conversation took place.
March 12, 20196 yr Coming soon: Lytle Park renovations Major changes are coming to Lytle Park in the southeast part of downtown Cincinnati after the city’s Historic Conservation Board approved a plan by the Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners on Monday. The changes will include: New street furniture and amenities Rubberized exercise track New play equipment Replacement of trees and planting of new trees and landscaping Realignment of walkways A new fountain New fences and walls Signage around the fountain and retention of the historic Lytle Park sign Movement of the location of a statue of Abraham Lincoln closer to Fourth and Ludlow streets. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/12/coming-soon-lytle-park-renovations.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 15, 20196 yr 24 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: It's a shame I never got a chance to OD here. ...makin' bets on Ken-tucky Derrr-by Daaaaay.
March 25, 20196 yr Created a new thread for the Traction Building, which is being converted to a Kimpton hotel.
April 2, 20196 yr Conversion of downtown office building underway as developer tries 3rd time for tax credit A developer has started converting a historical downtown Cincinnati office building into apartments as it works for the third time to get a state tax credit to help complete the project. The Provident Building, located at the corner of Seventh and Vine streets in downtown Cincinnati, is being converted to 160 apartments. Pearl Cos. purchased the building in March 2018 for $6.75 million. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/02/exclusive-conversion-of-downtown-office-building.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 3, 20196 yr The amount of material thrown out of this building has been unbelievable. They have been in full-ass demo mode for over a month now, and they still are filling dumpsters as I type this. They must be doing a full interior gut of the building, and they recently started removing windows as well. With this project and the two hotel projects at 7th and Race I think 7th street is going to be a really nice street in a few years. It already has a very urban canyon feel, probably second only to 4th Street in downtown, and a fair amount of businesses and street life. Hopefully as these vacant buildings fill up something will finally infill those surface lots at 7th and Vine.
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