September 3, 20195 yr Looks to be owned by a 209 E Court LLC with a mailing address in NYC. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
September 3, 20195 yr Yeah those showed up last week, but there aren't any floor plans posted, so they're trying to lure people into a tour of the construction site an a closing or two a few months before an owner can move in.
September 3, 20195 yr FC Cincinnati Corporate Offices painted recently the base of the existing building on 4th Street. Not a bad color choice...
October 1, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, 646empire said: Any movement on the Hilton brand hotels at 4th and walnut? They have all tax credits that can possibly be achieved. Developers are dragging there feet at the moment. Some unexpected issues in permitting as well.
October 1, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, savadams13 said: They have all tax credits that can possibly be achieved. Developers are dragging there feet at the moment. Some unexpected issues in permitting as well. Interesting. I hate when developers get these credits then the project stalls. Hopefully we at least see work on The Kimpton at 5th and walnut start soon? It’s been sitting a long time and was awarded credits a long time ago.
October 1, 20195 yr I live at 7th and Race where two buildings are being converted into boutique hotels. With how long the delay was between announcement and actual start it sure seemed like both projects fell through. But both hotels are moving forward full steam right now. Hopefully these projects end up going the same way.
October 1, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: I live at 7th and Race where two buildings are being converted into boutique hotels. With how long the delay was between announcement and actual start it sure seemed like both projects fell through. But both hotels are moving forward full steam right now. Hopefully these projects end up going the same way. Thats very good to hear, how is construction of the additional floors going at the Marriott?
October 1, 20195 yr 24 minutes ago, 646empire said: Thats very good to hear, how is construction of the additional floors going at the Marriott? Very slowly. That building just needs a ton of work, and that’s not even counting the new floors that will be added. It isn’t going to get done until 2021. The other one though is moving real quick. I would think it could open in the first half of next year.
October 1, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: Very slowly. That building just needs a ton of work, and that’s not even counting the new floors that will be added. It isn’t going to get done until 2021. The other one though is moving real quick. I would think it could open in the first half of next year. Cool, I was hoping both would be done by fall 2020. Maybe they will pick up the pace a bit ?
October 15, 20195 yr FYI: A new thread has been created for the various ongoing Court Street projects.
October 16, 20195 yr Does anyone know if the building adjacent to 5/3 on the square can support additional floors?
October 16, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Does anyone know if the building adjacent to 5/3 on the square can support additional floors? The annex building? To the north of the square. If that is what your referring to no it was not built to hold additional floors. Worked on a feasibility study back in 2005 to determine
October 16, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, savadams13 said: The annex building? To the north of the square. If that is what your referring to no it was not built to hold additional floors. Worked on a feasibility study back in 2005 to determine We maybe 5/3 can develop their air rights above the old Macy's to expand their corporate campus that direction.
October 16, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said: We maybe 5/3 can develop their air rights above the old Macy's to expand their corporate campus that direction. 5/3 sold those air rights to 3CDC. Not to pop that balloon but that's probably not going to happen.
October 30, 20195 yr Reading through the historical packet it appears that 414 central is going to become a brewery? https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/november-4-2019-staff-report-and-attachments/ first i I had seen of this....
October 30, 20195 yr That will be used by Rebel Mettle Brewery, which was originally planning to go into the former Clyffside Brewery on McMicken, but the timing didn't work out. On 8/26/2019 at 5:20 PM, ColDayMan said: Downtown getting first new brewery in more than a decade Downtown Cincinnati is getting its first new brewery in more than a decade – and the city's first veteran-owned brewery – in a project coming to Fourth Street. Rebel Mettle Brewery is coming to 412 Central Ave. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/26/exclusive-downtown-getting-first-new-brewery-in.html
October 30, 20195 yr I think this is the same group that was going to be in the Hamilton/Sohn Brewery. Rebel Mettle.
October 31, 20195 yr 18 hours ago, NsideProp said: I think this is the same group that was going to be in the Hamilton/Sohn Brewery. Rebel Mettle. It is. Apparently Hamilton/Sohn/Clyffside is still not out of the running for a second location.
October 31, 20195 yr 34 minutes ago, mcmicken said: It is. Apparently Hamilton/Sohn/Clyffside is still not out of the running for a second location. Interesting share more!
November 13, 20195 yr 15 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Too many pots on the stove right now for 3CDC, but they created this for themselves by allowing local government to be hostile to out of state developers. Can you elaborate? Did an out of town developer want to redevelop fountain place? Just seems odd that if 3cdc is simply redeveloping the property by including office space on the upper levels, and new commercial tenants on the ground floor that it would take almost a year for any activity or movement since there purchase back in January. Seems counter productive towards 3cdc mission of "reactivating spaces and the urban core" by letting Cincinnati's most prime real estate sit completely vacant for so long now without any movement or progress on the site.
November 13, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, troeros said: Can you elaborate? Did an out of town developer want to redevelop fountain place? Just seems odd that if 3cdc is simply redeveloping the property by including office space on the upper levels, and new commercial tenants on the ground floor that it would take almost a year for any activity or movement since there purchase back in January. Seems counter productive towards 3cdc mission of "reactivating spaces and the urban core" by letting Cincinnati's most prime real estate sit completely vacant for so long now without any movement or progress on the site. Cranley and company have made a hostile environment for out of town developers. Giving preference to 3CDC and local benefactors to his campaign. I have seen a number of out of town developers pass on Cincinnati knowing about this environment. I dont hate on 3CDC but they are stretched thin at the moment internally on all the different projects they are working on. Fountain Place is on the back burner at the moment. Edited November 13, 20195 yr by savadams13
November 13, 20195 yr 41 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Cranley and company have made a hostile environment for out of town developers. Giving preference to 3CDC and local benefactors to his campaign. I have seen a number of out of town developers base Cincinnati by know about this environment. I dont hate on 3CDC but they are stretched thin at the moment internally on all the different projects they are working on. Fountain Place is on the back burner at the moment. 100% Disagree, from everything I have heard over the past few weeks Fountain Place is definitely not “on the back burner”. It’s actually priority number 1. The city/Cranley recognizes this property can’t sit vacant much longer it’s a massive drag on everything around it. I’m hoping/ thinking we get news in the next few weeks or so.
November 13, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, savadams13 said: Cranley and company have made a hostile environment for out of town developers. Giving preference to 3CDC and local benefactors to his campaign. I have seen a number of out of town developers base Cincinnati by know about this environment. I dont hate on 3CDC but they are stretched thin at the moment internally on all the different projects they are working on. Fountain Place is on the back burner at the moment. Just browsing 3cdc current projects page... They are still wrapped up with; Behlen Building Meiner's Building 4th and Race Doesn't seem that much of a heavy work load at the moment compared to past years.
November 13, 20195 yr The are also in the planning stages on building out townhomes on Pleasant, and infilling Vine in between 15th and Liberty. Also, while I have no information on this, I have to assume they are trying to purchase the Wade's land behind the old Krogers.
November 13, 20195 yr 44 minutes ago, JoeHarmon said: The are also in the planning stages on building out townhomes on Pleasant, and infilling Vine in between 15th and Liberty. Also, while I have no information on this, I have to assume they are trying to purchase the Wade's land behind the old Krogers. Sure, but as mentioned before 3cdc is literally not making improvements to fountain place, they are just filling in the vacant businesses with new businesses. I understand if they were going to build a new mixed use tower on that site but they arent...so your telling me it takes a year to find businesses to open at fountain place?
November 13, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, troeros said: Just browsing 3cdc current projects page... They are still wrapped up with; Behlen Building Meiner's Building 4th and Race Doesn't seem that much of a heavy work load at the moment compared to past years. Exactly. I had looked at their project list a few weeks or so ago and thought the same thing. The fact is they do have lots of projects that are in the planning stage including Fountain Place but that’s about it at the moment. Now that the 1010 Kroger project along with those small court street buildings are pretty much done, 3CDC doesn’t actually have much under construction* to warrant all this “3CDC is overwhelmed with so many projects” talk I keep seeing lol.
November 14, 20195 yr Willkommen is also a huge project. Not to mention other ongoing efforts around Court Street. If the city had let F&C do 4th & Race themselves as originally planned, that would free 3CDC up to work on something else. But Cranley had to bring in 3CDC as a partner on that project.
November 14, 20195 yr Seems as good a time as any to ask: can anyone ELI5 what 3CDC is doing with their parking leases around the urban core and why they are doing it?
December 12, 20195 yr Historical downtown building sells; owner plans renovations Historical downtown building sells; owner plans renovations. Property name: 133 W. Fourth St. Behind the deal: Craft worked with the buyer and seller to come to terms on the historical building. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/12/11/historical-downtown-building-sells-owner-plans.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 23, 20195 yr Temporary road diet on Vine. As far as I know, traffic hasn't really been affected.
December 24, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, DEPACincy said: Temporary road diet on Vine. As far as I know, traffic hasn't really been affected. Short term pain brings long term gain. Bringing 4th Street back to life with both new construction and historic renovations begins to reconnect the riverfront to Downtown. Hopefully this further justifies building over FWW. Edited December 24, 20195 yr by thesenator Clarity
December 24, 20195 yr Some great questions posted by Steve Dieters on FB. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Part 1. Random questions boiling beneath the surface to end the year and looking for answers in the coming year for the city of Cincinnati: What’s the status of the hillside rehabilitation along Columbia Parkway? Is it on budget or is a surprise(s) coming? What’s the abatement strategy for the city and the developers who seek them now that the agreement with board of education is expiring with no agreement in place? For 2020 can city council in the spirit of Murray Seasongood and good government break this reliance of “emergency” ordinances that the developer community has come to rely on to achieve their goals? Rightly and wrongly it appears to being used to “game” the system and circumvent the needs of the city as a whole for the benefit of a few. To what degree will the city and developers use The Port in the coming year to create new tax dodging entities for their benefit? Will 2020 be the year when an elected official asks the question, “If people can afford $400 to $600,000+ houses in the neighborhoods while seeking an abatement why can’t they afford to pay the real estate taxes for them?” The developers in OTR who bought abated property literally on the wrong side of the streetcar tracks find the costs to connect the water main $100,000+ since they have to horizontally drill under the tracks. The typical new connection by the water department charges $2300 and is still short of covering the costs. The question is to what extent will these developers who have typically already received an abatement and not to mention the inherent property enhancer of the streetcar as described in the studies leading up to its construction will ask the city taxpayers/water utility ratepayers to cover this enhanced cost? This is an issue where entrepreneurial risk and the principle of caveat emptor for the developer meet the road-literally and figuratively. What is the status of the pre-school promise with enrollment and performance? It has been on line for a couple of years now. When will the streetcar eventually be “free” and how will that revenue shortfall be covered? What is the projected increase in ridership? Edited December 24, 20195 yr by thesenator Formatting
December 24, 20195 yr Tax abatements are only one small issue facing the funding of public schools. The much bigger issue is that they are primarily funded via local property taxes - not from a statewide method that evens the playing field across the state. If you're going to get upset and put some effort into changing things, put that effort into the problems that exist at the state level.
December 24, 20195 yr 58 minutes ago, thesenator said: The developers in OTR who bought abated property literally on the wrong side of the streetcar tracks find the costs to connect the water main $100,000+ since they have to horizontally drill under the tracks. The typical new connection by the water department charges $2300 and is still short of covering the costs. The question is to what extent will these developers who have typically already received an abatement and not to mention the inherent property enhancer of the streetcar as described in the studies leading up to its construction will ask the city taxpayers/water utility ratepayers to cover this enhanced cost? This is an issue where entrepreneurial risk and the principle of caveat emptor for the developer meet the road-literally and figuratively. This is obviously wrong. Nobody is paying $100K+ for a residential water service, using a well established technology employed throughout the construction industry.
December 26, 20195 yr On 12/24/2019 at 12:36 PM, jim uber said: This is obviously wrong. Nobody is paying $100K+ for a residential water service, using a well established technology employed throughout the construction industry. A 2" line one the streetcar route is $6,080 - GCWW has fixed rates for these: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/water/water-sewer-service-charges/rates-for-installation-of-water-service-branches/ If it is a 4" or larger line (usually for sprinklers) then it's a different story - but $100,000 seems high.
December 26, 20195 yr 34 minutes ago, Ram23 said: A 2" line one the streetcar route is $6,080 - GCWW has fixed rates for these: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/water/water-sewer-service-charges/rates-for-installation-of-water-service-branches/ If it is a 4" or larger line (usually for sprinklers) then it's a different story - but $100,000 seems high. Incidentally, if you buy a vacant city lot where a house once stood, said lot might or might not have a water connection. If it does and you want to maintain said connection for future development, you have to pay a nominal water bill of about $7 per month. If you elect to be cut off, it is roughly $6,000 to be reconnected in the future.
January 10, 20205 yr I really hope this happens. The current design of the downtown library is so anti-urban with its massive setbacks, underutilized plazas, and parking lot at the NW corner of Ninth and Walnut. Having street-level retail (and potentially housing above) right next to the streetcar stop would be huge.
January 10, 20205 yr The idea to pair [affordable] housing with a great civic amenity like a library is an outstanding idea that has proven positive in other cities. https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-affordable-housing-libraries-0728-20190719-5kwcmtfycjbypjrabtvytulpia-story.html
January 11, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, taestell said: I really hope this happens. The current design of the downtown library is so anti-urban with its massive setbacks, underutilized plazas, and parking lot at the NW corner of Ninth and Walnut. Having street-level retail (and potentially housing above) right next to the streetcar stop would be huge. This would be amazing! Would be great for increasing pedestrian traffic around the library. This seems costly though? I wonder if 3cdc would be willing to partner with them on the residential portion.
January 15, 20205 yr On 1/10/2020 at 2:49 PM, taestell said: I really hope this happens. The current design of the downtown library is so anti-urban with its massive setbacks, underutilized plazas, and parking lot at the NW corner of Ninth and Walnut. Having street-level retail (and potentially housing above) right next to the streetcar stop would be huge. I'd be totally up for option A, but it looks like options B and C would mean that the library garden would be demolished to create a new main entrance. The library garden is one of my very favorite spaces in the city; it's a little oasis. I'd hate to see it go for a bigger development when there's all these parking lots on Walnut that are begging for development.
January 15, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, northsider said: I'd be totally up for option A, but it looks like options B and C would mean that the library garden would be demolished to create a new main entrance. The library garden is one of my very favorite spaces in the city; it's a little oasis. I'd hate to see it go for a bigger development when there's all these parking lots on Walnut that are begging for development. the library garden is on the vine street side of the north building. This is on the walnut street side of the south building. This is where the raised bed with ivy is (and the parking lot) by the streetcar stop www.cincinnatiideas.com
January 15, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, thebillshark said: the library garden is on the vine street side of the north building. This is on the walnut street side of the south building. This is where the raised bed with ivy is (and the parking lot) by the streetcar stop The Vine Street garden is actually the children's garden, which was built when they made the northern expansion. I'm talking about the Reading Garden, which is on 8th Street. If you haven't been I highly recommend it, it's a beautiful space with lots of shade and a pond. Very relaxing to sit there and read while hearing city sounds but feeling enclosed and private. Again, looking at the doc that Taestell linked, this space would be gone under options B and C to make a new main entrance.
January 16, 20205 yr I think the 8th St "Reading Garden" could be maintained in some way, even if some version of Options B/C were pursued. I agree that it's a lovely urban oasis, and I think it would be even more special if the development on Walnut happened. Versions B and C both have entrances to the library along Walnut (as well as the existing entrances on Vine), so that might be sufficient. If an entrance along 8th is necessary, it could be directly to the side of the Garden, or potentially there could be an entrance "through" the garden. The design would have to be sensitive to the garden, to not destroy what makes it feel special... but I think a good landscape architect could pull it off.
February 9, 20205 yr Taken 2/9. Photo one is the new music venue at the banks. Photo 2 is the new towns place suites. Photo 3 is the new Kinley hotel.
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