It's nice to see the cafe patio at the corner of West 25th and Lorain have people sitting there each time I've gone by there.

Looks incredible but... a concrete dog park?? Doesn't sound very fun for the dogs using it or their owners.

1 hour ago, clandman1123 said:

Looks incredible but... a concrete dog park?? Doesn't sound very fun for the dogs using it or their owners.

 

 

i took look and actually if its like i think it looks pretty perfect. its part concrete and i think part sod or something in the middle area. i assume they can easily hose it down and clean it. if people pick up as they should then it would be ideal.

 

based on my experiences of all the dog parks out here around ny you do not want it to be all sod as the dogs kick up a heck of a gross dust, especially when it gets busy, so bad for the humans, and the all tar or concrete dog parks are not great for the dogs.

Intro grand opening ceremonies. (Thread)

 

I wanted to go but I'm out of the country. 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

I wanted to go but I'm out of the country. 

Are you in Austria negotiating deals for the timber on Phase 2?

14 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Are you in Austria negotiating deals for the timber on Phase 2?

 

Not my job, Mon. However I am close...in Germany visiting with Ukrainian refugee family members.

39 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Not my job, Mon. However I am close...in Germany visiting with Ukrainian refugee family members.

I'll be in Germany tomorrow. But way up north so probably not in your neck of the woods. 

2 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Are you in Austria negotiating deals for the timber on Phase 2?

I believe the Austrian supplier was planning a US (Florida?) facility; it might be on line by now.

On 8/11/2022 at 2:13 PM, KFM44107 said:

I'll be in Germany tomorrow. But way up north so probably not in your neck of the woods. 

 

I'm up north...between Hannover and Hamburg.

19 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I'm up north...between Hannover and Hamburg.

Nice. I'm going to Hamburg, then Kiel, then Berlin. Enjoy. 

12 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

Nice. I'm going to Hamburg, then Kiel, then Berlin. Enjoy. 

Perhaps a UO meetup on the Reeperbahn? 😜

2 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Perhaps a UO meetup on the Reeperbahn? 😜

Going to be there tonight. Three guys in Cleveland Browns shirts is gonna stick out. 

5 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Going to be there tonight. Three guys in Cleveland Browns shirts is gonna stick out. 

Sadly, not in the Deshaun Watson era.... 🤦‍♂️

 

 

World class signage is finally up for Pioneer at Intro.

Finally made it up to Edda coffee recently. It's a pretty large space and was still packed with people working and hanging out (weekday afternoon)

I had originally posted to ask about the status of leasing at Intro - but scrolled up the thread to see Michelle Jarboe’s  report in mid August that 297 apartments were 95% leased- a figure even higher than I would’ve guessed.
 

That sure  sounds like the perfect data to encourage the move-ahead on phase 2 - I think we’re  all dying to hear the  news about phase 2 starting. Hope we get a bomb about that from @KJP before the year’s end. 

Edited October 14, 20222 yr by CleveFan

11 hours ago, CleveFan said:

That sure  sounds like the perfect data to encourage the move-ahead on phase 2

 

If it helps get you excited Intro Phase 2 won a mass timber award this summer: https://www.woodbusiness.ca/winners-announced-for-2m-mass-timber-competition-building-to-net-zero-carbon/

 

And even better they are foregoing TMUD applications for phase 2 which to me is a sign they A)don't have financing worries and B)want to move fast which is really encouraging.

 

 

58 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

 

If it helps get you excited Intro Phase 2 won a mass timber award this summer: https://www.woodbusiness.ca/winners-announced-for-2m-mass-timber-competition-building-to-net-zero-carbon/

 

And even better they are foregoing TMUD applications for phase 2 which to me is a sign they A)don't have financing worries and B)want to move fast which is really encouraging.

 

 

Is it just residential, or are they still including the office component?

Phase 2 is residential. Phase 3 is office.

@KJP  Any idea if the recent rise in interest rates has put a damper on any short terms plans (or for that matter long term plans) for additional phases?  This aspect of development is starting to make me nervous.  I imagine marginal projects have already been shut down and even those on more solid footing have the developers taking a second look at the numbers.

I just spoke with one of the region's largest apartment developers about this subject this morning. He says the rise in interest rates is his biggest concern right now, but the rise in apartment rents locally is covering those costs. This will be reported on at NEOtrans' sponsor/contributor-only Parlor page later today. I haven't spoken to Harbor Bay's Dan Whalen about this, however.

^It is amazing how the rental market in Cleveland has trended in recent years.  I recall as recently as 5 years ago extensive discussions on this forum lamenting the lack of new high rise development in Cleveland and those UO members in the the industry lecturing us that until average rentals were over $2.00 a square foot, it was not going to happen.  It seems like it has been a blink of an eye and some buildings are approaching $3.00 a square foot and having no problems with leasing.

7 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

It seems like it has been a blink of an eye and some buildings are approaching $3.00 a square foot and having no problems with leasing.

 

Just off the top of my head I believe the Intro and Lumen apartments are over $3/sqft. But your point still stands it is incredible how in just a few years it seems like the rental market has gotten impossibly hot. Love what this means for new development in the city.

Yes but like a lotta things in life this is good news bad news. Higher prices per square foot are great for developers, not so great for renters. Such is life.

On 10/10/2022 at 2:43 PM, viscomi said:

Finally made it up to Edda coffee recently. It's a pretty large space and was still packed with people working and hanging out (weekday afternoon)

 

I heard a that a roasting operation is underway

Edited October 18, 20222 yr by MrR

Dan Whalen on Crains Cleveland's podcast today. Solid episode. Mostly focused on the restaurants, but the first half is focused more on the building itself. There's even a quick nod to phase two!

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/landscape/podcast-introducing-jaja-intro-cleveland-development

@Ethanthanks for sharing that podcast - great listen, everybody. A couple cliff notes from the podcast- 
 

 Intro, despite being significantly eclipsed in height by a building in Milwaukee, remains the largest mass timber building by area and  volume  in North America. 

 

You can’t help but be impressed with the pro-Cleveland entrepreneurial energy and savvy of Dan Whalen and his team. 
 

The top floor event space at Intro is all ready booked every weekend into 2024 and the new steakhouse, Jaja, sounds like a restaurant experience that everyone in the Cleveland area will want to try. 
 

Whalen acknowledges that an Intro 2 project is in the works and that it could be “big”.  
 

If you haven’t already, check out the introcleveland.com website for some way cool aerials of the completed project and it’s relationship to downtown - there’s no better views of Cleveland and the lake than from Intro’s top floor perspective - and the potential for further expansion of a 21st century urban lifestyle just outside downtown is really underscored by Intro.  There’s zero doubt in my mind - build a quality urban experience for residents in the city - and they will come, quickly and in large numbers. 
 

What a great addition to the “landscape”. 

Edited October 26, 20222 yr by CleveFan

On 10/26/2022 at 1:43 PM, CleveFan said:

... and the new steakhouse, Jaja, sounds like a restaurant experience that everyone in the Cleveland area will want to try.

 

Just looked up some info (menu's, pics, etc) on Jaja, definitely looks like an interesting place!!

1 hour ago, dar124 said:

 

Just looked up some info (menu's, pics, etc) on Jaja, definitely looks like an interesting place!!

My sister went there last week. Said the food was great but that it’s all shareable-style, even the steaks 🤷‍♂️

It’s all about portion control people. 

My coworker moved into Intro a couple months ago and it sounds like they're working out kinks left and right. Walls are thin (apparently they're working on fixing that), some fixtures didn't work and stuff like that. I'd imagine this is an issue with any new build and tight move-in schedule, but yeah..

5 minutes ago, GISguy said:

My coworker moved into Intro a couple months ago and it sounds like they're working out kinks left and right. Walls are thin (apparently they're working on fixing that), some fixtures didn't work and stuff like that. I'd imagine this is an issue with any new build and tight move-in schedule, but yeah..

Maybe a dumb question but how do you fix thin walls at this point?

Just now, Htsguy said:

Maybe a dumb question but how do you fix thin walls at this point?

 

I'm guessing? additional blown-in insulation. He was saying they could hear their neighbors, uh, hanging out, while they were watching TV multiple times.

2 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

I'm guessing? additional blown-in insulation. He was saying they could hear their neighbors, uh, hanging out, while they were watching TV multiple times.

Ha ha.  I lived in Bridgeview about 20 years ago and had the same issue.  When I first moved in my corridor was relatively empty so I didn't think there were any issue with thin walls.  Then a guy moved in next door and I heard him "hanging out" all the time (he sure had a lot of stamina) and this really un-nerved me.  All of a sudden I had to take steps so he did not hear me "hanging out".  It resulted in some awkward pre hanging out conversations.

5 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Ha ha.  I lived in Bridgeview about 20 years ago and had the same issue.  When I first moved in my corridor was relatively empty so I didn't think there were any issue with thin walls.  Then a guy moved in next door and I heard him "hanging out" all the time (he sure had a lot of stamina) and this really un-nerved me.  All of a sudden I had to take steps so he did not hear me "hanging out".  It resulted in some awkward pre hanging out conversations.

 

Congrats on the sex

19 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Congrats on the sex

They never said they were hanging out with others...

Edited November 10, 20222 yr by Ineffable_Matt

Actually pretty disconcerting to hear this anecdotal about thin walls at Intro.  Nothing worse than being able to hear conversations and “things” going on in your neighbor’s unit.  I had that experience in an apartment once - I promptly moved out after the lease was up.  (I also had a neighbor with unbelievable stamina) 
 

It’s also surprising given the attention to detail as projected by Dan Whalen with respect to every detail at Intro.  If they missed this, they missed one really important detail. Hopefully, this isn’t an issue throughout the building and/or it somehow gets fixed. 

As someone who works in property management, unless the building is an 150 year old masonry structure, you are always going to have "thin walls".  1/2" drywall vs 5/8" thick drywall vs plaster....Doesn't matter. People who live in apartments need to accept this as a fact of life. My wife and I hung out for many years in apartments. No sense in even trying to conceal anything in a new build apartment complex unless it was deigned by a sound engineer.

4 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Actually pretty disconcerting to hear this anecdotal about thin walls at Intro.  Nothing worse than being able to hear conversations and “things” going on in your neighbor’s unit.  I had that experience in an apartment once - I promptly moved out after the lease was up.  (I also had a neighbor with unbelievable stamina) 
 

It’s also surprising given the attention to detail as projected by Dan Whalen with respect to every detail at Intro.  If they missed this, they missed one really important detail. Hopefully, this isn’t an issue throughout the building and/or it somehow gets fixed. 

Yeah I am hoping it is not a big issue with a related huge cost to fix.  Something like this could affect the math of a Phase 2 making it more difficult.

58 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

As someone who works in property management, unless the building is an 150 year old masonry structure, you are always going to have "thin walls".  1/2" drywall vs 5/8" thick drywall vs plaster....Doesn't matter. People who live in apartments need to accept this as a fact of life. My wife and I hung out for many years in apartments. No sense in even trying to conceal anything in a new build apartment complex unless it was deigned by a sound engineer.

Pretty shocked that would still be true in luxury units.

33 minutes ago, X said:

Pretty shocked that would still be true in luxury units.

Trust me, the term "luxury" only refers to upgraded amenities and higher end finishes. In a lower rent market like CLE, units are separated by minimum fire code requirements only. Anything extra is value-engineered out right away and added soundproofing is considered a big, costly extra. 

4 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

Trust me, the term "luxury" only refers to upgraded amenities and higher end finishes. In a lower rent market like CLE, units are separated by minimum fire code requirements only. Anything extra is value-engineered out right away and added soundproofing is considered a big, costly extra. 

Then any consumer preference to hit the road for a sfh as soon as they can afford it is 100% justified.

^And there is part of the reason for the preference of single family housing in our region. It is just too darn affordable here. The barrier to entry is very low compared to other regions. Couple that with HGTV-ism, and every millenial is lining up to buy their own home. It is not all bad since the city proper offers that housing type. It just all needs a lot of work. 

2 hours ago, YO to the CLE said:

As someone who works in property management, unless the building is an 150 year old masonry structure, you are always going to have "thin walls".  1/2" drywall vs 5/8" thick drywall vs plaster....Doesn't matter. People who live in apartments need to accept this as a fact of life. My wife and I hung out for many years in apartments. No sense in even trying to conceal anything in a new build apartment complex unless it was deigned by a sound engineer.

Yep -- but recognize it as the design choice that it is.  There are ways to isolate and minimize sound transmission, but you have to pay for it.  Since we generally don't, we get a preference for single-family housing and a common belief that apartment living means hearing your neighbors.

 

14 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

^And there is part of the reason for the preference of single family housing in our region. It is just too darn affordable here. The barrier to entry is very low compared to other regions. Couple that with HGTV-ism, and every millenial is lining up to buy their own home. It is not all bad since the city proper offers that housing type. It just all needs a lot of work. 

 

Trust me, the term "luxury" only refers to upgraded amenities and higher end finishes. In a lower rent market like CLE, units are separated by minimum fire code requirements only. Anything extra is value-engineered out right away and added soundproofing is considered a big, costly extra. 

 

Then any consumer preference to hit the road for a sfh as soon as they can afford it is 100% justified.

 
This one hits home. 
 
As a current resident of one of these newer buildings on the west side, its aggravating to see whats passing for "luxury" - these units are, in many cases, nothing more than sterile boxes with marble countertops. The idea that someone would willingly pay north of $2000 to rent in Cleveland already rests on thin ice, and this kind of stuff just turns up the heat. 
 
Did I mention that my cabinets aren't big enough for a 10" dinner plate? 
 

Edited November 10, 20222 yr by ASP1984

Sounds like Intro's not handling this weather very well: https://www.tiktok.com/@allisonkuch/video/7180412870268570922?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=7170324215688807978

1 hour ago, bikemail said:

Sounds like Intro's not handling this weather very well: https://www.tiktok.com/@allisonkuch/video/7180412870268570922?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=7170324215688807978

That is horrible. I actually had an extremely similar situation in Florida when living in a brand new building when a Category 1 hurricane came in with winds blowing straight at our very heavy, storm resistant sliding doors.

 

Seeing the glass bend and water seep through and unto our carpet made me as unhappy and annoyed as she looks.

 

Luckily there’s a fairly quick warmup on its way…

On 11/9/2022 at 11:12 AM, YO to the CLE said:

As someone who works in property management, unless the building is an 150 year old masonry structure, you are always going to have "thin walls".  1/2" drywall vs 5/8" thick drywall vs plaster....Doesn't matter. People who live in apartments need to accept this as a fact of life. My wife and I hung out for many years in apartments. No sense in even trying to conceal anything in a new build apartment complex unless it was deigned by a sound engineer.

I live in a high rise in Chicago on Lakeshore drive built in 1962 as a rental and went condo in 1977, and the demising walls are thick drywall (and maybe plaster on top of it) metal studs with that "s" shaped plastic baffling between units. The interior unit partion walls are weirdly 2" thick solid concrete that are plastered over (removing them is a beeatch!).  I rarely hear neighbors. A friend of mine lives in Marina City (iconic corncob) built that same year and his is also super quiet and built the same way. Try hammering a nail in the wall and it will bend. The union had something to do with this building technique then. I should note that no interior walls are load bearing, all floors are concrete slab column/core supported.

 

The windows were replaced on mine in 2007 because 40yo windows are not covered by insurance.  If one pops out and kills someone, the condo assoc is on the hook. Anyway, even when I had the old (single pane) windows I didn't have frost or frozen shut balcony doors and neither does he. We both have "in wall sleeve" AC units and snow and frost don't come in.

 

You don't have to go back 150 years, even in the 80's the buidlings were built better. A friend that has a high rise condo built in 2004 in the South Loop is a mess and he has special assessments out the ass.

 

This might be a concerning trend with how these buildings are being built since the mid 90's and up till now. If they are shoddy, todays hot building becomes a hot mess in the future.

Im pretty sure any Apartment consisting of Window Walls is going to experience the same when its ZERO degrees outside