April 13, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, originaljbw said: Any pictures of what was there before the plaza? Just did some quick cyberslacking digging. Aerial map from 1951 shows some structures there. A few photos from early to mid 20th century show nondescript 2-3 story brick buildings.
April 13, 20205 yr Wonder if there was any thought of saving this? Anyone know if it was built with the plaza, or did some of it exists before.
April 13, 20205 yr Author 1 minute ago, freethink said: Wonder if there was any thought of saving this? Anyone know if it was built with the plaza, or did some of it exists before. It was built with the plaza 31 years ago. It will be demolished. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20205 yr Author Looking forward to Dan's news.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Looking forward to Dan's news.... Man, that job.. every little boy’s dream.
April 14, 20205 yr ^ awesome to see that! **** i see milwaukee is getting a tall woody! https://onmilwaukee.com/market/articles/milwaukee-mass-timber.html
April 14, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, urbanetics_ said: For an epic plaza demo video, check this out!! This is the best thing I’ve watched since the lockdown started. I keep watching it over and over like I still do the final 3 minutes of the Cavs championship game in 2016?
April 14, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said: Man, that job.. every little boy’s dream. I do love seeing the < 40 crowd making waves in real estate. We need more visionary, young real estate development professionals like Dan in every community. Kudos!
April 14, 20205 yr really glad to see this moving forward. I've always hated that dumb plaza. I bought paint a few months ago at the SW store and the manager there seemed very indignant, like they were NOT going anywhere and she seemed sure that Harbor Bay plans would not be approved by Ohio City...
April 14, 20205 yr 34 minutes ago, gottaplan said: really glad to see this moving forward. I've always hated that dumb plaza. I bought paint a few months ago at the SW store and the manager there seemed very indignant, like they were NOT going anywhere and she seemed sure that Harbor Bay plans would not be approved by Ohio City... This plan was approved over a year ago and she knew they were moving by late fall. Nothing was official so the manager was most likely following company protocol by not discussing future real estate plans with customers. Edited April 14, 20205 yr by Clefan98
April 14, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, KJP said: Looking forward to Dan's news.... Hmm... I'm wondering if this alludes to retail or corporate tenant announcements?
April 14, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, BJBaes said: Hmm... I'm wondering if this alludes to retail or corporate tenant announcements? I'm guessing retail. I might be wrong, but it's my understanding "Intro" is name of the apartment complex.
April 14, 20205 yr Author Good point by the former planning director.............. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20205 yr Except for the rear walls, most of the Plaza is already DOWN! Here's some more photos from about 20 minutes ago.
April 14, 20205 yr Wow, that was fast! I expected there would be several days of knocking down stuff, not 1. I'm sure it will take a little while to dig out foundations and so forth, still.
April 14, 20205 yr Note to self. In extreme weather don’t bother sheltering in 1980s cookie-cutter strip malls. My hovercraft is full of eels
April 15, 20205 yr So excited about this project! Quick question - does anyone know how tall the building will be on the corner of Gehring & Lorain? The one that is listed as 5,430sf? I’m hoping the building doesn’t obstruct the view of the iconic WSM’s clock tower on the drive over from Tremont on Abbey Ave. A few of the renderings looked like its lower than the “main section” along W25th. Edited April 15, 20205 yr by justagirlfromcle
April 15, 20205 yr Author 1 minute ago, justagirlfromcle said: So excited about this project! Quick question - does anyone know how tall the building will be on the corner of Gehring & Lorain? The one that is listed as 5,430sf? Im hoping the building doesn’t obstruct the view of the WSM’s clock tower on the drive over from Tremont! It would look like this: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, justagirlfromcle said: So excited about this project! Quick question - does anyone know how tall the building will be on the corner of Gehring & Lorain? The one that is listed as 5,430sf? I’m hoping the building doesn’t obstruct the view of the iconic WSM’s clock tower on the drive over from Tremont on Abbey Ave. A few of the renderings looked like its lower than the “main section” along W25th. 53 minutes ago, KJP said: It would look like this: They really did a great job with the setbacks along Lorain Ave to maintain sight lines of the Market. One note on this rendering - that Lorain frontage will still be two stories, but the main structure behind it will be two stories taller than shown in this rendering. So the building will be 8 stories beyond the foreground setback, and 9 stories along W 25th. They added additional height to the apartment building once the talker office component was postponed. I’d like to think they added the height just so it would still be the tallest mass timber building in the US when it’s done, since that’s what they had previously been claiming for the office building. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 15, 20205 yr Not sure if this is the correct location to post this, but I sure do hope the Westside Market survives until the completion of this development. I think they can compliment one another. https://trib.al/6ZOarEt Edited April 15, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
April 15, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Not sure if this is the correct location to post this, but I sure do hope the Westside Market survives until the completion of this development. I think they can compliment one another. https://trib.al/6ZOarEt “Hey, West Side Market, you look great!” said INTRO. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 16, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: “Hey, West Side Market, you look great!” said INTRO. "Thanks for the complement!" said the West Side Market.
April 17, 20205 yr A couple quick ride-by pics from this evening. Man, they knocked this thing down fast!
April 19, 20205 yr Bitter-sweet memories of this plaza. I had one of my most satisfying life experiences there, when I walked into the Time Warner Cable/ Spectrum store with their box and wires, put it on the counter and told them goodbye forever and good riddance. My hovercraft is full of eels
April 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, roman totale XVII said: Bitter-sweet memories of this plaza. I had one of my most satisfying life experiences there, when I walked into the Time Warner Cable/ Spectrum store with their box and wires, put it on the counter and told them goodbye forever and good riddance. I'm still using them for internet unfortunately. It's about the best there is in my Cleveland neighborhood.
April 19, 20205 yr While most strip malls are abhorrent, you must admit that this one was one of the more attractive designs. Not that its demise isn't a sign of progress and its replacement a much better use of the land, but I think we can all agree there are so many other stripmalls that are far less attractive and should suffer the same fate. Edited April 19, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
April 20, 20205 yr I just realized I've been to the market area hundreds and hundreds of times. And yet, I don't think I have ever even once set foot in that strip mall parking lot. Anyhow, it's going to be wonderful watching this new construction going vertical. Looking forward to a nicely placed camera keeping track of the action.
April 20, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, surfohio said: I just realized I've been to the market area hundreds and hundreds of times. And yet, I don't think I have ever even once set foot in that strip mall parking lot. Anyhow, it's going to be wonderful watching this new construction going vertical. Looking forward to a nicely placed camera keeping track of the action. ha if you did, you probably would've been towed. Those tow truck drivers were relentless.
April 20, 20205 yr In 2007 I was robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight coming out of the plaza’s Subway. This all feels like such closure. Good riddance! ?
April 20, 20205 yr I ran to the market on lunch break today and it's nearly a flat slab now and very little left- I'd imagine by the end of this week it'll be entirely devoid of any plaza remnants. While they were loading up concrete and whatnot there was a drilling rig on the periphery on W25 across from the candle shop or so. They aren't messing around.
April 20, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, CCC said: In 2007 I was robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight coming out of the plaza’s Subway. This all feels like such closure. Good riddance! ? Haha! I think my jumping was the same year in the same spot!
April 20, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Haha! I think my jumping was the same year in the same spot! Was probably the same perp!
April 20, 20205 yr Author 1 hour ago, GISguy said: I ran to the market on lunch break today and it's nearly a flat slab now and very little left- I'd imagine by the end of this week it'll be entirely devoid of any plaza remnants. While they were loading up concrete and whatnot there was a drilling rig on the periphery on W25 across from the candle shop or so. They aren't messing around. I was told they are going straight from demolition to excavation/construction. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 20, 20205 yr 43 minutes ago, KJP said: I was told they are going straight from demolition to excavation/construction. LOL https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 22, 20205 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 23, 20205 yr Coverage from Scene, plus a couple quotes from Whalen. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/04/22/the-market-plaza-strip-mall-is-now-completely-demolished-basement-work-beginning-on-timber-framed-intro-project Quote The Market Plaza Strip Mall is Now Completely Demolished, Work Beginning on INTRO ProjectPosted By Vince Grzegorek Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm After years of uncertainty and changes, Harbor Bay Real Estate's market plaza project in Ohio City across from the West Side Market is finally underway. .... Next up is digging the parking basement, Whalen said. If the demolition was a stunning change, just wait until the next part takes shape. "This is going to be a big hole. Huge," he said. "It was an expensive decision to put the parking in the basement, but we wanted to have a dynamic greenspace on the property. So, this is going to be a 70,000-square-foot, 26-foot-deep hole." That should be done by July. What's not to love? If only every project could afford to put parking below grade.
April 23, 20205 yr What does this guy mean "after years of uncertainly". This is probably one of the fastest moving projects in town from first announcement to shovels in the ground. The scale changed and there was that subsidy blip, but the developers always moved forward with very little hesitancy and at a pretty quick pace. I wish every development in town moved this fast. Edited April 23, 20205 yr by Htsguy
April 23, 20205 yr It seems that drill rig is from PSI, a geotechnical testing firm (not a production foundation drilling rig). Am I missing something? Surely all the design and underground work would be complete by now, so I wonder what they're testing at this stage? Sounds like the next thing we'll see is heavy excavation equipment perimeter shoring to hold up the deep hold for the future parking structure. Does anyone know the foundation structure (slab, caissons, etc.)?
April 23, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: What does this guy mean "after years of uncertainly". This is probably one of the fastest moving projects in town from first announcement to shovels in the ground. The scale changed and there was that subsidy blip, but the developers always moved forward with very little hesitancy and at a pretty quick pace. I wish every development in town moved this fast. Don't read anything into it - Scene isn't allowed to publish an article without at least a passing allusion to its innate loathing of any development within the city limits.
April 24, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, cleB said: It seems that drill rig is from PSI, a geotechnical testing firm (not a production foundation drilling rig). Am I missing something? Surely all the design and underground work would be complete by now, so I wonder what they're testing at this stage? Sounds like the next thing we'll see is heavy excavation equipment perimeter shoring to hold up the deep hold for the future parking structure. Does anyone know the foundation structure (slab, caissons, etc.)? From what I understand it'll be a slab foundation. And the PSI drill rig is doing geotechnical testing of areas previously inaccessible because of the plaza buildings.
April 28, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, freethink said: Looks like some of the sheet piling has arrived. Just rode my bike past, ya beat me to it! Lol.
April 28, 20205 yr Author More. This is from my wife..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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