2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

Why are they using timber from Austria, rather than USA grown?   

In addition to what Enginerd said, I think the wood for INTRO has to be Austrian because "mass" timber is not yet available in this country. Binderholz, the Austrian company, has acquired a Florida lumber company and plans to start production in the US, but their rep didn't say exactly when.

 

The amount of timber required for  INTRO is also amazing - 8-9,000 cubic meters, according to the Binderholz rep.  That's about 300,000 cu. ft. Dan Whalen said the construction crew will be 6-10 joiners. That for the timber work only, I'm assuming.

here is a very interesting pdf re mass timber in america:

 

https://www.awc.org/pdf/education/des/ReThinkMag-DES610A-MassTimberinNorthAmerica-161031.pdf

I forgot to mention that Whalen said the plates and fasteners for joining the timber are MADE IN CLEVELAND.  🙂

23 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

Why are they using timber from Austria, rather than USA grown?   

 

Although the product is called "mass timber" it's not solid wood.  It's a laminate, like plywood.  So there is a lot of adhesive in their binding smaller pieces of wood together in layers to build up to a thicker "timber" beam. 

 

I suspect that because the layers are thicker than the thin layers used to make plywood, special equipment is needed in the manufacturing process that isn't yet available in the U.S.

yes the pdf above mentions there are several styles of laminated mass timber: cross, glue, nail and dowel laminates and even concrete+wood i think. 

 

i wonder which style market sq intro is using?

On 10/29/2020 at 11:37 AM, mrnyc said:

yes the pdf above mentions there are several styles of laminated mass timber: cross, glue, nail and dowel laminates and even concrete+wood i think. 

 

i wonder which style market sq intro is using?

Binderholz

 

Edited December 16, 20204 yr by MrR

On 10/28/2020 at 11:40 AM, urbanetics_ said:

Tuned into a fantastic webinar this morning hosted by the Greater Cleveland Partnership on INTRO. It featured a panel consisting of various project team members such as Dan Whalen/Harbor Bay, the Port of Cleveland, and Binderholz (the timber company).

 

There were several really interesting takeaways:

 

-The first shipment of Austrian timber will be arriving at the Port of Cleveland in a matter of days (from Antwerp)
-LEED Gold goal, and apparently this will be CLE’s first large residential building to achieve this
-Unit interiors (walls/ceilings) will be 50-60% exposed timber (a very beautiful light wood)
-Transit proximity is a draw for potential retailers

IF you are interested here's a link to the GCP hour long webainar:

 

https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/3135070899736242448

 

On 10/30/2020 at 2:30 AM, Larry1962 said:

IF you are interested here's a link to the GCP hour long webainar:

 

https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/3135070899736242448

It's worth listening to - especially the impressive Mr. Whalen.

First batch of timber arrived at the port.

 

https://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/INTROwood100320.aspx

 

Quote

With timber in port, INTRO begins its rise to become the country's tallest all-wood building
MARK OPREA | THURSDAY, DECEMBER 03, 2020

 

The 3,000 cubic meters of Austrian wood spent nearly three weeks on the Atlantic, riding the seaway into the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, through Montreal and Niagara, 53 miles across Lake Ontario and, finally, on Monday, November 9, into the Port of Cleveland receptor dock on the edge of the city.

 

After the 22-day journey that began in Fügen, Austria, the timber's now set to reach its ultimate destination: the bustling residential construction site at the intersection of West 25th Street and Lorain Avenue.

 

This isn't just any old crate-load of European log.

 

The first third of timber—all pre-measured, pre-cut, and pre-glued with a special laminate—will, by next summer, assemble to be the tallest building in the country composed entirely out of wood.

The planned complex—a 115-foot tall, 288-unit residential property dubbed INTRO—the latest from Chicago-based Harbor Bay Real Estate, plans to ride the surge in Cleveland's luxury real estate, despite COVID-19, while aiming high, from a developer standpoint.

...

 

 

Intro going vertical tomorrow. 
 

 

View from GLB this past weekend.

 

On 12/16/2020 at 7:52 AM, Ardoonave said:

View from GLB this past weekend.

 

 

cool

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by MrR

A couple of pics from yesterday:

 

This is REALLY going to be an IMPOSING and NEW LANDMARK for Ohio City and help take the neighborhood to the next level! 

 

And I can't wait till we find out who the NEW retailers will be...

 

 

 

3 hours ago, MrR said:

looking back at ya 

 

Is this on the fence/sidewalk? Either way, great shot! Also @Ardoonavenow I'm thirsty lol

Has anyone seen if the timber is being placed yet?

58 minutes ago, sooner said:

Has anyone seen if the timber is being placed yet?

They have started

 

3 hours ago, marty15 said:

They have started

Pics or it didn't happen lol I kid, but its the UO thing...

15 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

Pics or it didn't happen lol I kid, but its the UO thing...

 

Just now, marty15 said:

 

lol I was kidding but awesome, thanks for posting

Any insight on the retail tenants? I know a Bank of America branch was confirmed.. was a pharmacy (Walgreens?) mentioned? I could see a nicer Starbucks Reserve going in here -- Starbucks surprisingly does not have a location in Ohio City yet. 

22 minutes ago, mas1092 said:

Any insight on the retail tenants? I know a Bank of America branch was confirmed.. was a pharmacy (Walgreens?) mentioned? I could see a nicer Starbucks Reserve going in here -- Starbucks surprisingly does not have a location in Ohio City yet. 

 

Ohio City Inc would push back on that, BIG TIME - Starbucks, that is. 

 

Anyways... It seems like this timber is going to take a long time to build and may be more labor intensive than usual. Am I wrong? Just going off the progress since last week and my untrained eye

This is probably the first time using these products and method of building for many of the people on site. I have to imagine there was a watch n learn demonstration, then a few test assemblies with extra scrutiny from the lumber supplier.

1 hour ago, mas1092 said:

Any insight on the retail tenants? I know a Bank of America branch was confirmed.. was a pharmacy (Walgreens?) mentioned? I could see a nicer Starbucks Reserve going in here -- Starbucks surprisingly does not have a location in Ohio City yet. 

37 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Ohio City Inc would push back on that, BIG TIME - Starbucks, that is. 

 

Anyways... It seems like this timber is going to take a long time to build and may be more labor intensive than usual. Am I wrong? Just going off the progress since last week and my untrained eye

 

Pushback from OCI because Starbucks is a chain?  I can respect that as I'd take a non-starbucks over a starbucks any day if the coffee is of at least equal quality. But if its the 'anti-chain' argument, why ban Starbucks but not Walgreens? Like the old days, there were plenty of independent pharmacies "(Apothocaries").

As someone who lives in Hingetown and has to drive to either Gordon Square or the Edgewater neighborhood to find a drug store, we are in dire need of one nearby. 

^Not disputing that---just wondering how sincere are the moral standards of OCI.

21 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Not disputing that---just wondering how sincere are the moral standards of OCI.

 

I'd argue the value add of the neighborhood. There are about 6-7 local coffee shops within a mile of intro - the nearest drug store, to my knowledge, is downtown

Let's not put this on OCI, this is a forumer speculating about what they would do.

Just now, X said:

Let's not put this on OCI, this is a forumer speculating about what they would do.

 

Correct. Sorry if my comment implicating anything official. But I'd argue this would be a perfect issue to advocate for and NOT be a NIMBY lol.

 

Anyways, does anyone have insight on the timeframe of construction of timber versus more traditional builds? 

38 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Correct. Sorry if my comment implicating anything official. But I'd argue this would be a perfect issue to advocate for and NOT be a NIMBY lol.

 

Anyways, does anyone have insight on the timeframe of construction of timber versus more traditional builds? 

Both Dan Whalen and @KJP have made multiple statements that this manufactured wood product will go up faster than traditional building methods. 

41 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Correct. Sorry if my comment implicating anything official. But I'd argue this would be a perfect issue to advocate for and NOT be a NIMBY lol.

 

Anyways, does anyone have insight on the timeframe of construction of timber versus more traditional builds? 

Binderholz, Harbor Bay's mass timber supplier, offers some generalizations about efficiency on their website:

 

https://www.binderholz.com/en-us/mass-timber-solutions/wood-as-a-building-material/

 

On 12/22/2020 at 1:10 PM, Dougal said:

Binderholz, Harbor Bay's mass timber supplier, offers some generalizations about efficiency on their website:

 

https://www.binderholz.com/en-us/mass-timber-solutions/wood-as-a-building-material/

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 20214 yr by MrR

33 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Both Dan Whalen and @KJP have made multiple statements that this manufactured wood product will go up faster than traditional building methods. 

 

And my inexperience in vertical construction makes itself abundantly clear lol 

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but just saw it, and was very good--not only about Intro, but Ohio City in general:

 

 

 

I found it here:  http://harbor-bay.com/-mktsq.html

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Both Dan Whalen and @KJP have made multiple statements that this manufactured wood product will go up faster than traditional building methods. 

It’s a finished, exposed product. Which mean columns won’t need to be framed around, drywalled, mudded, and painted. As well as the ceilings. I see a lot of time saved just right there. 

On 12/22/2020 at 2:24 PM, marty15 said:

It’s a finished, exposed product. Which mean columns won’t need to be framed around, drywalled, mudded, and painted. As well as the ceilings. I see a lot of time saved just right there. 

 

 corridors also

Edited January 4, 20214 yr by MrR

8 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

Pushback from OCI because Starbucks is a chain?  I can respect that as I'd take a non-starbucks over a starbucks any day if the coffee is of at least equal quality. But if its the 'anti-chain' argument, why ban Starbucks but not Walgreens? Like the old days, there were plenty of independent pharmacies "(Apothocaries").

because ohio city has an abundance of independent coffee establishments already competing with each other. Meanwhile, there is no pharmacy in sight, small/local or chain

Regarding Starbucks...  The developer needs to make the loan payment, and will need a certain number of qualifying leases in order to get construction loan draws from its lender. The developer will want a tenant like Starbucks that has a strong credit rating and can afford to pay higher rent than a local.  The lender will also have approval rights on the leasing that favor national tenants even though local businesses may be preferred by the community.  There could be some spaces reserved for local tenants that lender agrees to but not likely to be the prime spaces.

19 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'd argue the value add of the neighborhood. There are about 6-7 local coffee shops within a mile of intro - the nearest drug store, to my knowledge, is downtown

There’s a Rite Aid at 3402 Clark Avenue.

Lutheran Hospital Ambulatory Pharmacy: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/locations/lutheran-hospital/specialties/pharmacy

M-F 9-5, free parking up to 45 minutes
Will fill any rx, not just from CCF doctors

MetroHealth Ohio City medical building will have a pharmacy "coming later this year" at 4757 Lorain
https://www.metrohealth.org/locations/ohio-city-health-center

There are 4 pharmacies on Clark outside Ohio City - Walgreen's, Rite Aid, Clark Low-Cost, and Tony's.

Edited December 23, 20204 yr by buckeye1

12 hours ago, In the Know said:

Regarding Starbucks...  The developer needs to make the loan payment, and will need a certain number of qualifying leases in order to get construction loan draws from its lender. The developer will want a tenant like Starbucks that has a strong credit rating and can afford to pay higher rent than a local.  The lender will also have approval rights on the leasing that favor national tenants even though local businesses may be preferred by the community.  There could be some spaces reserved for local tenants that lender agrees to but not likely to be the prime spaces.

Exactly

On 12/22/2020 at 9:39 AM, marty15 said:

 

 

 

would would would that be wood?   😂

On 12/22/2020 at 1:42 PM, Pugu said:

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but just saw it, and was very good--not only about Intro, but Ohio City in general:

 

 

 

I found it here:  http://harbor-bay.com/-mktsq.html

 

Cool video.  I knew this was going up fast, but will it really be complete by Spring of next year??

Edited December 23, 20204 yr by Sapper Daddy

On 12/22/2020 at 10:42 AM, Pugu said:

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but just saw it, and was very good--not only about Intro, but Ohio City in general:

 

 

 

I found it here:  http://harbor-bay.com/-mktsq.html

 

 

Guy puts his two weeks notice in, and forty seconds later he's hitting the beer pretty good hahahaha.

 

 

Edited December 23, 20204 yr by surfohio

5 hours ago, marty15 said:

 

You're not the only one.  This is very...exciting.

Seeing as how they’re using wood timber for the floors, this is gonna go up super fast. No time wasted on building forms, running tension cables, pouring concrete, then letting it set up. Spring seems too ambitious. But before summer is over seems realistic. 

3 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said:

Cool video.  I knew this was going up fast, but will it really be complete by Spring of next year??

 

I think the video may be a little old--so spring 2021 was probably a target at some point in the past. The video calls the project "Market Square" so its before it was changed to "Intro" which was a while ago.

Yeah @KJP's  article in March said that in construction (including demolition) which would start in April would take up to 18 months to complete so I believe the time table is summer to fall.

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/financing-set-work-starts-at-ohio-citys.html