Posted March 21, 200619 yr http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2006/03/20/daily8.html Sports Commission bids for H.S. football championships Business First of Columbus - 9:27 AM EST Tuesday The Greater Columbus Sports Commission hopes to hit paydirt with its proposal to bring the state's high school football championship games to Central Ohio. The commission said Monday it has submitted a bid to the Ohio High School Athletic Association to host the title games from 2007 to 2009 at Crew Stadium and Dublin Coffman High School. The Division I, II, III and IV championships would be played in 22,500-seat Crew Stadium. The Division V and VI contests would be at Coffman, whose stadium can handle up to 10,000 spectators. More at link above:
March 23, 200619 yr Columbus is getting gready, you've got basketball and the Buckeyes, why steal from two cities that are defined by football? The income/recognition to Columbus will be so minimal compared to the impact seen in Canton and Massillon, I can't see why Columbus even cares. This really ticks me off, and I'm not even much of a football fan.
March 24, 200619 yr Re: Cincinnati.... Ohio finals here? Bengals, county bid on '07-09 prep title games BY TOM GROESCHEN | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER Local football fans who have long complained about the long drive to watch their teams play for state titles may soon get relief. Hamilton County and the Bengals have officially entered the bidding to host the Ohio High School Athletic Association state football championship games. Paul Brown Stadium would host the six Ohio title games (Divisions I-VI) from 2007-09. There would be an option for 2010-11. Full story at: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/SPT030101/603230376/1078/rss12
March 24, 200619 yr Darnit!, why do the big cities always feel they have to rape the little guys! This is no worse than a company moving to West Chester.
March 25, 200619 yr My alma mater has made it to the Division 6 State Title games in 1997, 1999, and 2004 (and they were unfortunately State Runner-ups each year). I went to the 1999 game in Canton and the 2004 game was in Massillon; very fun atmosphere! I cannot see High School football being played anywhere else other than Stark County! It's tradition.
March 26, 200619 yr Seems a little ridiculous for Cincy to host the games. They are in the corner of the state. Stark is not centrally located, but its much closer to the overall population than Cincy is.
March 26, 200619 yr Stark AND Cincinnati both are not appropriate for the state, as they are in a corner of the state. Columbus is the logical choice, as everybody can get to Columbus in 3 hours or less. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 200619 yr Or that. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 200619 yr Hell No. I attend at least 1 title game each year at each stadium and I ask fans from each team would you rather it be in another city like Columbus? I never get a YES to that question. People love the atmosphere.. They can hit the pro football Hall.... The freeway access makes it that much more logical. I talked with a few OHSAA people at the games last year and they told me these big cities must put a huge load of cash/effort if they wanted them, and they each said they DOUBT it would be anywhere other than Canton - Massillon for 3-5 more years.
March 27, 200619 yr Well, of COURSE the people up there wouldn't want it to leave. It's like asking somebody from Sandusky "How would you feel if the Top Thrill Dragster skidaddled to Geauga Lake?" Columbus, to me, makes the most logic. Capital city, center of state, 3 hours from everybody, and the flagship university. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 200619 yr ^And where are you again? While we are at it, lets move every town's identity to Columbus so that it can be close to everybody! All the sculpture and Icefest from Hamilton, the ballons and Middfest from Middletown, whatever from Springfield, Lima, Zanesville, Marrietta, Lorain, etc, etc, etc. Give it all to greedy Cbus!!!
March 27, 200619 yr ^What does the Icefest (local attraction) have to do with the State Football Championship (statewide attraction)? Columbus would make a good choice for the same reason it's the Capital City, Location, Location, Location. Crew Stadium is right off of I-71, which happens to connect the 3 largest cities in Ohio.
March 27, 200619 yr Thank you for logic, John. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 200619 yr ^What does the Icefest (local attraction) have to do with the State Football Championship (statewide attraction)? Columbus would make a good choice for the same reason it's the Capital City, Location, Location, Location. Crew Stadium is right off of I-71, which happens to connect the 3 largest cities in Ohio. And where are you? Anyway, you've even driven my point deeper, a statewide event means much more than a local event. Taking it will take more than anything I've mentioned. I would think Urban fans like yourself recognize that there is more than just Cbus (or Cincy, Clvelnd). You display you dispair about deteriorating small towns, yet you won't take the time to drive to them for a football game? Wow, I think this might be the first time I've disagreed with ColDay.
March 27, 200619 yr I understand the idea of smaller towns holding events. But I don't see anything wrong with Columbus, the capital and center of the state, gaining the football championships (as basketball and pretty much everything else is already here). Massillon will still be big in high school football, state championships or not. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 200619 yr ^Tell me you wouldn't fell raped if you were a Massillon/Canton area resident. Cbus has enough (like you said, everything) and IMO shouldn't spent its time fretting about not holding one measly event that means so much to a community. I'll give you the final word.
March 27, 200619 yr Make up your mind, is the State Football Championship a big deal or a "measly" event. Unfortunately when I was in high school our football team sucked ass (S-T-E-B-B-I-N-S, Stebbins Indians are the best, YES!) so I've never had to make the long haul to Massillon. I guess this is about weighing the wants/needs of Massillon versuses the wants/needs of the rest of the state.
March 27, 200619 yr at crew stadium? bah! that's a soccer stadium. it has fucking one dollar brat nights. let masillion keep the high school football championship. central location...man it would still take a week to ride a horse from any corner of the state, not much less than stark county. go bucks!
March 27, 200619 yr ^Its measly to Cbus, its huge to Massillon. You should find that in my context. Yeah, no one shows up @ OSU for the state championships in Wrestling and basketball. No one spends money in restaurants the week of all the final 4s. :roll: Like Massillion will turn into a ghost town if the state football finals are moved to Columbus.
March 27, 200619 yr Hell No. I attend at least 1 title game each year at each stadium and I ask fans from each team would you rather it be in another city like Columbus? I never get a YES to that question. People love the atmosphere.. They can hit the pro football Hall.... The freeway access makes it that much more logical. You must not be talking to Cincinnati people, because everyone down here gets real tired of having to drive so far north in order to collect their state championship. The state championship should be held in Cincy without a doubt. Yes it is not centrally located, but HS football here is a passion. -Elder's 'Pit' is seen as one of the top ten places to watch a football across the nation. -HS playoff games held at PBS consistantley draw huge crowds (40,000 or so a few yrs ago, 30,000+ last year for a second round game). -Cincinnati is the first city to ever have three teams in the top 25 nationally at one time (Elder, St. X, Colerain) -Cincinnati teams are also distancing themselves from the rest of the competition statewide (one could say that the real state championship was held in Cincy last year between St. X and Colerain at PBS). Cincinnati IS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL...bring the championships to Cincy where they belong. On another note: why is football different from the majority of the other OHSAA sports. These other sports two teams, from the same city, can face off for the title. However, this does not happen and ofter times deserving teams are knocked out unfairly early when they should be in the championship or semis.
March 27, 200619 yr ^Its measly to Cbus, its huge to Massillon. You should find that in my context. Yeah, no one shows up @ OSU for the state championships in Wrestling and basketball. No one spends money in restaurants the week of all the final 4s. :roll: What? It will still have the same amount of economic effect in both places, but who has that smaller economy? I remember staying in a hotel in Greene (just north of Canton) and they were advertising the tournament as one of their main amentities/whatever you call them on cards in the lobby. Do you think Cbus hotels need this event as much as they do? :roll: Like Massillion will turn into a ghost town if the state football finals are moved to Columbus. I didn't say that, but I did say it will be a big blow to them without it. Cbus isn't really going to get too excitied about just another tournament, but the whole Massillon area seems to be excitied about it year-round. We went to a church service in N. Canton last year and the minister told us "we just have to go see Massillon's stadium!" and then he gave us directions, right in the reception line, and this is June!
March 28, 200619 yr ^Its measly to Cbus, its huge to Massillon. You should find that in my context. Yeah, no one shows up @ OSU for the state championships in Wrestling and basketball. No one spends money in restaurants the week of all the final 4s. :roll: What? It will still have the same economic effect in both places, but who has that smaller economy. I remember staying in a hotel in Greene (just north of Canton) and they were advertising the tournament as one of their main amentities/whatever you call them on cards in the lobby. Do you think Cbus hotels need this event as much as they do? :roll: You're trying to mix economies of scale with emotional attachment. It makes your rebuttal sound like a misguided attempt at socialist theory. Not all things are equal, otherwise everything would be equally spread out instead of being grouped in geographical locations (due to physical and/or social reasons). Since when does city population equate hotel economies? If anything, Columbus would have more hotels, closer to the stadiums than Massilion/Canton would have for theirs. If you're so concerned about the economies of small towns, go spend your money there. Like Massillion will turn into a ghost town if the state football finals are moved to Columbus. I didn't say that, but I did say it will be a big blow to them without it. Cbus isn't really going to get too excitied about just another tournament, but the whole Massillon area seems to be excitied about it year-round. We went to a church service in N. Canton last year and the minister told us "we just have to go see Massillon's stadium!" and then he gave us directions, right in the reception line, and this is June! I'm going to let you in on a secret. The State football championships weren't always held in Massillon. Until the Mid-80s they were held in......COLUMBUS! At the 'Horseshoe.' Yes, HS football is a major deal in Massillon. Yes, Paul Brown-Tiger Stadium is new, big, and nice. But is it fair for Cincy Moeller, or N. Price Hill, or St. Henry to travel 100-200 miles to play Cleveland St. Ignacious, Warren Harding, or Chardon at location that is within 50 miles for them? That's is why some of us favor moving the football finals back to Columbus. If you care so much for Massillon, move there!
March 28, 200619 yr I would like to see role reversals in the state for a few years. Lets have all the team from the northeastern part of the state come on down to Cincy for the championship. Just trying to even out the injustices over the past some odd years. Lets have this title game in Cincy where it belongs!
March 28, 200619 yr What? It will still have the same economic effect in both places, but who has that smaller economy. I remember staying in a hotel in Greene (just north of Canton) and they were advertising the tournament as one of their main amentities/whatever you call them on cards in the lobby. Do you think Cbus hotels need this event as much as they do? :roll: You're trying to mix economies of scale with emotional attachment. It makes your rebuttal sound like a misguided attempt at socialist theory. Not all things are equal, otherwise everything would be equally spread out instead of being grouped in geographical locations (due to physical and/or social reasons). Since when does city population equate hotel economies? If anything, Columbus would have more hotels, closer to the stadiums than Massillon/Canton would have for theirs. If you're so concerned about the economies of small towns, go spend your money there. I don't think so. I'm relating hotels to events, not population, and as I said, the hotels of Stark have a lot less`to hold, which is why this is a much bigger deal to them. I'll refer you to Hamilton, where the Hamiltonian is only full 3 or 4 weekends a year, all Miami events. Luckily most of Starks hotel's are off 77 and can catch tourism in the summer, but Massillon's hotels are kind of off the beaten path, like Hamilton. I do spend my money in small towns, and if this is representitive of big city mentality, I don't think I'll ever drop another dime in Cbus, I'll give it to Grove City and Pickerington! I didn't say that, but I did say it will be a big blow to them without it. Cbus isn't really going to get too excitied about just another tournament, but the whole Massillon area seems to be excitied about it year-round. We went to a church service in N. Canton last year and the minister told us "we just have to go see Massillon's stadium!" and then he gave us directions, right in the reception line, and this is June! I'm going to let you in on a secret. The State football championships weren't always held in Massillon. Until the Mid-80s they were held in......COLUMBUS! At the 'Horseshoe.' Yes, HS football is a major deal in Massillon. Yes, Paul Brown-Tiger Stadium is new, big, and nice. But is it fair for Cincy Moeller, or N. Price Hill, or St. Henry to travel 100-200 miles to play Cleveland St. Ignacious, Warren Harding, or Chardon at location that is within 50 miles for them? That's is why some of us favor moving the football finals back to Columbus. If you care so much for Massillon, move there! Thats no secret, actually the article states the move to Massillon was in 1990, but DON'T tell me that you can't get attached to something in 15 years, that this event hasn't changed the area. I don't see your driving argument either, its not like Ohio is some mammoth state, or Massillon is out in the middle of hocking hills or something. Anywhere you move it, someone will have an advantage. Columbus Brookhaven, Lancaster, etc. are probably all over moving it to Cbus. I can't move to every small city in Ohio Magyar and I really don't get that statement. As a general rule, many UO forumers are fans/supporters of numerous Ohio cities, not all of which they can make their home in.
April 10, 200619 yr Dublin? Dublin bids with Columbus for football division championships Thursday, April 6, 2006 By MICHAEL RACEY Villager Staff Writer If Dublin and Columbus tourism officials get their way, the state's football championship games will be in central Ohio next year -- and possibly for the next two to four years after that. The Dublin Convention and Visitors Bureau, in conjunction with Dublin City Schools, Experience Columbus and the Greater Columbus Sports Commission, submitted a proposal to the Ohio High School Athletic Association to move all six football division championship games to either Dublin Coffman High School Stadium or Columbus Crew Stadium. Representatives of the bureau and commission presented the proposal to OHSAA officials on March 30. More at: http://www.thisweeknews.com/?edition=Dublin&story=thisweeknews/040606/Dublin/News/040606-News-127208.html
April 10, 200619 yr Dublin!??! DUBLIN!??! Well, atleast they have PF Chang's. PF Chang's > Massillon, duh. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 12, 200619 yr Oh well. Stark County to host state football title games again 11:33 AM, Thursday, May 11, 2006 By DON DETORE Repository sports editor It’s unanimous. The Ohio High School Athletic Association’s Board of Control voted unanimously Thursday morning to continue to hold the state’s championship football games in Stark County. The OHSAA has awarded Stark County a three-year contract for the games that also includes two option years. More at: http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=285544
May 12, 200619 yr “The difference is, in other places, it’s just another event they’re bidding on...Here, the event takes precedence." This guy gets me. I'm glad this was taken into consideration in the decision, it renews my faith in humanity and the future of Ohio's smaller cities.
September 1, 200618 yr From the 8/30/06 Massillon Independent: Battle lines drawn for state title games By R.J. VILLELLA [email protected] Local tourism experts are aware of a new challenge to take the Ohio High School Football Championships away from Stark County but remain confident they can put together another bid package that will hold other envious cities at bay. The current contract with the Ohio High School Athletic Association – which means roughly $3 million a year to the local economy in tourism – runs through 2009, with option years for 2010 and 2011, said John Kiste, head of the Canton/Stark Visitors and Convention Bureau. More at: http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=10002&r=0&Category=
June 15, 200816 yr http://blog.cleveland.com/tlr/2008/06/pennsylvania_rolls_once_again.html Pennsylvania rolls once again in Big 33 romp over Ohio Posted by Josh Langenbacher, Special to The Plain Dealer June 14, 2008 23:33PM Categories: Football Hershey, Pa. -- Before kickoff of the Big 33 game Saturday night, there was some sentiment which suggested it would be more competitive than recent editions. So much for that.
June 15, 200816 yr Well so much for the game that doesn't matter. Those future Ohio State players will continue their dominance over penn st. or pitt or whichever p-team it is that's guaranteed defeat courtesy of the Buckeyes, lol...
June 15, 200816 yr The best Big 33 fact, and the only one worth knowing: There has been a Big 33 player in every Superbowl. Ever.
June 17, 200816 yr Where is this "Pennsylvania" again? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 4, 200915 yr Two very different men, two very different backgrounds, both making a huge difference on and off the field, both playing for the state championship in their respective divisions this weekend. Glenville coach’s best victories come off field: http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/3238203054953397675/glenville-coachs-best-victories-come-off-field/ Still inspired by his games on the field, Maple Heights' Todd Filtz has given state finalist Mustangs his winning fire. http://www.cleveland.com/hssports/blog.ssf/2009/12/still_inspired_by_his_game_on.html
January 6, 201114 yr Cincinnati 'loaded' with football prospects for 2012 By Mike Dyer • [email protected] • December 27, 2010 http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20101227/SPT0301/12280334/
January 17, 201114 yr Proposal would shake up OHSAA playoffs Size wouldn't be everything in move to solve eternal public-vs.-private debate Friday, January 14, 2011 By Steve Blackledge, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH For years, Ohio High School Athletic Association officials have heard complaints that parochial schools have an unfair advantage in state high-school championships. Commissioner Dan Ross and the OHSAA took the first steps toward a system that, while confusing, could help bring balance to the state-tournament system in eight sports by changing how teams are assigned to divisions. The group's Board of Directors voted 9-0 to submit a proposed bylaw to a vote of the 829 member schools in May. Currently, schools are classified solely according to their enrollment. If a majority of schools approve, teams will be divided according to an "athletic count" formula based on enrollment and adjusted according to three other factors - a school's boundary area (including open enrollment), its socioeconomic status and recent postseason performance in each sport. The proposal is "one of a kind," OHSAA spokesman Tim Stried said. "Other states have been grappling with this issue, but we're the only one to come up with a plan." Ross was quick to point out that it is not without flaws, but he called it a starting point for dealing with the private-vs.-public debate. A hot-button topic for years, it reignited after parochial schools won five of the six state football championships last month. MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/01/14/proposal-would-shake-up-ohsaa-playoffs.html
February 15, 201114 yr For those of you who are fans of Ohio high school football or any other sport, I encourage you to follow @OHSAASports! http://twitter.com/#!/OHSAASports
May 19, 201114 yr High schools: OHSAA playoff changes rejected Schools narrowly defeat high-school rebalancing effort Wednesday, May 18, 2011 By Steve Blackledge, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH A proposal to change how Ohio high schools are assigned to state athletic tournaments has been narrowly defeated, but the issue of improving competitive balance is not going away. The proposal sought to address an ongoing debate that parochial and private schools hold an unfair recruiting advantage over public schools. The closeness of the vote, 332-303, suggests that school administrators might be willing to consider a revamped proposal as early as next May. Twenty-two percent of the schools in the Ohio High School Athletic Association, or OHSAA, did not vote, officials said. READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/05/18/ohsaa-playoff-changes-rejected.html?sid=101
October 19, 201113 yr http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/6397146003942122747/hs-football-sixth-weekly-associated-press-poll/ Mentor and Maple Heights used to play just about every year (until a couple years ago). Indeed, last year Maple was the first school from the old Greater Cleveland Conference to ever win a state football title. Two close wins in a row (after twenty straight by ten points or more) put Avon ahead of Maple in the state poll for the first time this year. Oh, and Maple had a bye week and is 7-0, but there's no comments section on the article.
October 23, 201113 yr Too bad that Maple's undefeated season has to get tarnished next week. The giant is sleeping no longer
October 23, 201113 yr Regardless of what happens next week, Heights will be making the playoffs for what I believe to be the first time ever. But they will also have a chance to win their first LEL title in at least two decade I believe. Sadly I think with Mentor leaving this year and Shaker Heights leaving next year, the future of the LEL may be in doubt.
October 23, 201113 yr The LEL isn't going anywhere. Losing long time members Mentor and Shaker takes away from some of the tradition, especially Shaker. But it wasn't too long ago that the LEL gained Euclid and Bedford when the GCC broke up. Admiral King drops out and Warren G Harding comes in. I went to the homecoming game this weekend and Heights looked real good. The lineman headed to Wisconsin (Dodson?) is as advertised and they have a stable of backs and recievers, not to mention a dual threat QB. They're extremely hard to slow down. Defefnse isn't too shabby either. With the exception of the Shaw and Euclid games, each one has pretty much been over by halftime. Next week is going to be a real test and should be a great game between two unbeaten teams. I'm hoping STO airs it.
October 23, 201113 yr The LEL isn't going anywhere. Losing long time members Mentor and Shaker takes away from some of the tradition, especially Shaker. But it wasn't too long ago that the LEL gained Euclid and Bedford when the GCC broke up. Admiral King drops out and Warren G Harding comes in. I think that WGH's membership in the LEL is fluid. They're kind of a geographic oddball in the LEL and I think they'll move elsewhere if the right opportunity presents itself. Also, if the NOC loses another member or two (possible, for instance, if/when the Parma School District moves from three to two high schools), I suspect that Euclid and Cleveland Heights will be high on their list as replacements. Ultimately I think one of two things are going to happen with the LEL and it will depend on the NOC. First, the NOC breaks up and the schools move in three directions towards more geographically-based conferences. If that happens, a lot of the former LEL schools now in the NOC (plus Solon, Brush, Mayfield, etc.) may look to get back in the LEL or form a league with a lot of the current LEL schools. Second, the LEL will outright merge with the NOC, which will now become a four-division superconference. I kind of miss the days of the old LEL Lake with Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, Euclid, Mentor, Lakewood, Elyria and one of the Parma high schools (I believe Valley Forge). That was a heck of a league.
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