February 2, 201411 yr Do you mean like something akin to The Squaire at the Frankfurt Airport? Albeit at a smaller scale since that thing is massive. I've traveled under the Squaire on the InterCity Express to/from Cologne, and next to it a few years later on the shuttle between terminals. Yes it is definitely huge...... I stayed at one of the Hilton properties there a couple months back.... Not only is it huge, it's also very confusing to navigate by car, hahaha. I would've much preferred to be on a train! Despite its size, I think it is a very nice addition to the airport, especially with the high speed rail terminal underneath.
February 2, 201411 yr View of the Hilton and Hilton Garden Inn from INSIDE the building. The opposite end houses the Luftansa HQ, and the stuff in between is shops and restaurants/cafés.
February 3, 201411 yr Do you mean like something akin to The Squaire at the Frankfurt Airport? Albeit at a smaller scale since that thing is massive. I've traveled under the Squaire on the InterCity Express to/from Cologne, and next to it a few years later on the shuttle between terminals. Did you know that it started out as a featureless "platform" or "deck" above the train station? I've seen pictures of this "before" scene but now I can't find one. Yes it is definitely huge..... Robert Heinlein envisioned actual moving roads (operating side by side at 5mph intervals with the maximum speed determined by road size) traveling between cities and development occurring near or even on the roads. Of course, he also envisioned ultra-efficient solar panels being developed first. Close to my first thought, imagine something like this making the trip....
March 14, 201411 yr From Urban Scale, "How Your City Can Succeed In Transit Oriented Development" http://urbanscale.com/blog/how-your-city-can-succeed-in-transit-oriented-development/ The article highlights the 5 top US metro regions for TOD. And coming in at #5? You guessed it, Cleveland, Ohio! I was definitely shocked to see us make this list. Of course the paragraph focused mainly on the HealthLine.
March 14, 201411 yr I think a lot of cities will be extremely disappointed with the results of their BRT if they head that direction. Our $$ number is because its Euclid Avenue which happens to be home to MAJOR institutions all with massive expansion already planned. So unless they have a similar situation I doubt they will see much development at all. Unfortunately I do not think we deserve #5 at this point. Im starting to question the validity of all these articles which blindly spit out our inflated number. If they truly believe the Healthline numbers, I cant really trust anything they report on.
March 14, 201411 yr From Urban Scale, "How Your City Can Succeed In Transit Oriented Development" http://urbanscale.com/blog/how-your-city-can-succeed-in-transit-oriented-development/ The article highlights the 5 top US metro regions for TOD. And coming in at #5? You guessed it, Cleveland, Ohio! I was definitely shocked to see us make this list. Of course the paragraph focused mainly on the HealthLine. Correction: the article ONLY focused on the Health Line. The REAL rapid transit in this town, might was well not exist. And of course, that $5.8 billion un-truth about HL-spurred development, has been quoted so many times and not seriously challenged, it has been taken as fact (i'm stopping just short of calling it an outright lie, but...). I'm sure JoeC and the RTA gang popped the champagne cork re this article, seeing as how they dubbed BRT as the “Better Rapid Transit.” Ugh!
March 26, 201411 yr Author "@yfreemark: Check out MPC's overview of Chicago's TOD Ordinance at http://t.co/JW6DXuTrRW Boosts density and reduces parking minimums" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 11, 201411 yr Author FYI: University Circle TOD project announced. More details and discuss it at: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2977.msg703838.html#msg703838 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 201411 yr Author An update on Shaker Heights' new "downtown" to be built starting next year (after the Warrensville-Chagrin-Van Aken-Northfield intersection is simplified for $18 million this year)...... http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2014/06/shaker_heights_van_aken_distri.html#incart_river Shaker Heights' Van Aken district redevelopment to create hundreds of new jobs, housing units By Chanda Neely, Northeast Ohio Media Group on June 03, 2014 at 12:36 AM, updated June 03, 2014 at 2:58 PM SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- Just how much economic development is happening outside downtown Cleveland? To find out, Northeast Ohio Media Group and The Plain Dealer collected information about more than 100 economic development projects in the suburbs. Here is the biggest current project in Shaker Heights. Development: The Van Aken district redevelopment will include construction of 100,000 square feet of retail space, 160 luxury apartments and 30,000 square feet of office space along the Van Aken Blue Line. Type: mixed use Address: Van Aken Shopping Center, Farnsleigh Road lot and westbound Van Aken Boulevard Estimated cost: $64 million Developer: RMS Investment Corporation Owners: RMS and the city of Shaker Heights Time frame: Construction will begin next year and run through 2017. Number of jobs created: More than 370 ### "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 201411 yr Good to see FCE making an investment in their own backyard! An update on Shaker Heights' new "downtown" to be built starting next year (after the Warrensville-Chagrin-Van Aken-Northfield intersection is simplified for $18 million this year)...... http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2014/06/shaker_heights_van_aken_distri.html#incart_river Shaker Heights' Van Aken district redevelopment to create hundreds of new jobs, housing units By Chanda Neely, Northeast Ohio Media Group on June 03, 2014 at 12:36 AM, updated June 03, 2014 at 2:58 PM SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- Just how much economic development is happening outside downtown Cleveland? To find out, Northeast Ohio Media Group and The Plain Dealer collected information about more than 100 economic development projects in the suburbs. Here is the biggest current project in Shaker Heights. Development: The Van Aken district redevelopment will include construction of 100,000 square feet of retail space, 160 luxury apartments and 30,000 square feet of office space along the Van Aken Blue Line. Type: mixed use Address: Van Aken Shopping Center, Farnsleigh Road lot and westbound Van Aken Boulevard Estimated cost: $64 million Developer: RMS Investment Corporation Owners: RMS and the city of Shaker Heights Time frame: Construction will begin next year and run through 2017. Number of jobs created: More than 370 ###
June 11, 201411 yr Author Well, it's not technically Forest City Enterprises even though the players are or have been affiliated with FCE. The RMS = Ratner, Miller and Shafran. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 201411 yr ^^ Not a very good article; much more detail is needed... I'm also disappointed with only 160 luxury apts, esp given the considerable size of the Van Aken footprint... Keep in mind, the currently-rising luxury apt building in the tiny FEB footprint is going to have 243 units... ... Finally, I know that RTA chose the .3 mile Blue Line (plus University Circle bus service) as the Locally Preferred Alternative, but I never heard that FTA made the award. Did I miss something?
June 11, 201411 yr Author ^^ Not a very good article; much more detail is needed... I'm also disappointed with only 160 luxury apts, esp given the considerable size of the Van Aken footprint... Keep in mind, the currently-rising luxury apt building in the tiny FEB footprint is going to have 243 units... ... Finally, I know that RTA chose the .3 mile Blue Line (plus University Circle bus service) as the Locally Preferred Alternative, but I never heard that FTA made the award. Did I miss something? No, you didn't. The LPA has to go through preliminary engineering and an EIS before the FTA will let GCRTA apply for construction funding. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 201411 yr ^^That wasn't really an article, just a blurb that was part of a PD/Cleveland.com series looking at projects in every area community. I'm sure we'll see more reporting once the proposal is further along. As far as I know (per a presentation on the SH city website), RMS has signed some sort of MOU with the city, but I don't think we really know much about what will actually get built and when. My impression is that the unit count and timeline may be very preliminary/speculative. [Edited for typo]
June 11, 201411 yr ^You're probably right; I am more disappointed with the format than the writer -- who's actually very good. I hope the PD does give this important project the coverage that it deserves. It seems to have been flying under the radar despite the fact that work has started there ... I hope you're right about this being speculative. As a part-time Shaker resident who has read the general proposals (from a few years ago), on their website as well as the Shaker Magazine, I was under the impression this would have a lot larger residential scale than the snapshot blurb portrayed... I know Shaker all along has admitted that it will not be office heavy simply because the City's high taxes/bedroom status doesn't make Shaker company friendly. But there is still great potential given the prime crossroads/TOD potential... StrapHanger, did FTA grant RTA for their Blue Line + bus extensions? I know the demolition (Starbucks is history) and road reconfiguration process has begun in earnest...
June 13, 201411 yr Author This was posted in the Opportunity Corridor thread, but I jazzed up the Fairfax CDC graphic so I could post it here..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 201410 yr Author A couple more station-area developments (but I wouldn't classify either as TOD given their current design)..... Little Italy http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6542.msg711664#msg711664 Shaker Heights - Van Aken District http://shakeronline.com/assets/downloads/city-projects/vadistrictpresentation_3-11-14_finalweb.pdf Note the parking lot is placed between the existing Warrensville station at bottom and the pedestrian nexus + greatest concentration of buildings at the top. If this were TOD, it would be the other way around. Granted, it's just a conceptual rendering and, long-term, the Farnsleigh station (off the image to the left) will be the rail station closest to this development after the Warrensville station is moved to the SE quadrant of the Chagrin-Warrensville intersection. But who knows when that will actually happen.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 201410 yr Innovation Square looks interesting... I hope it comes to pass... As for Van Aken, I can't really conceptualize where things will be... It certainly looks nice, esp. with the E. 4th-esqe dining 'alley' and the parking deck on top of the retail -- which is where it should be.
June 17, 201410 yr ^OK thanks, that helps ... I understand that funding is not in place for the RTA extension to Northfield Rd...yet. I'm surprised this project has gone this far without this funding; demolition of the Starbucks at the end of the Blue Line has already occurred. KJP notes that the conceptual planned development addresses the already existing Farnsleigh station rather than the one planned on the extension...I thought RTA chose the rail extension as the locally preferred alternative. Does this mean Farnsleigh could be the new Blue Line terminal?
June 17, 201410 yr Author ^OK thanks, that helps ... I understand that funding is not in place for the RTA extension to Northfield Rd...yet. I'm surprised this project has gone this far without this funding; demolition of the Starbucks at the end of the Blue Line has already occurred. KJP notes that the conceptual planned development addresses the already existing Farnsleigh station rather than the one planned on the extension...I thought RTA chose the rail extension as the locally preferred alternative. Does this mean Farnsleigh could be the new Blue Line terminal? The three pictures across the bottom of the rendering I posted are where the Blue Line's existing terminal is located, so the view looks generally north from there. The bus is heading southerly on Farnsleigh. The current Warrensville terminal will continue to serve that function until the Blue Line is extended across the Chagrin/Warrensville intersection to the new intermodal station. GCRTA has selected this as its LPA, but I don't know if GCRTA has submitted an application to the FTA for funding. The thought was that GCRTA would seek New Starts/Small Starts funding but I seem to recall GCRTA may instead seek Rail Modernization funds which may be easier for them to get. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 201410 yr I was confused by that birds eye rendering of the proposed Van Aiken project at first, too, till KJP pointed out that the street on the left is Farnsleigh and I realized the street on the right doesn't currently exist. I could be wrong, but I think all these renderings and images are really just meant to communicate the "feel" of the possible project, but not any actual massing/design direction. I'm sure we'll see some site plans in due course. I'd feel better if I saw an article making clear what RMS's vision and commitment are, even if very general. Right now this thing is just a road project with a non-binding MOU, the terms of which haven't been disclosed, as far as I know. As for "Innovation Square"... I'm happy there's some planning effort to think ahead for this area, but I'm fairly underwhelmed by the vision. Not sure how meaningful it is, though. Anyone know if the land in this area has already been aggregated into pubic or institutional ownership? There are still several 1-4 family homes in the area, even east of 105th, and it's unclear to me if things are already in motion to get them out or if this is just a very notional long term plan for now. Other than to satisfy a Cleveland-Clinic style clean slate fetish, not sure we'd really need to plow over all the homes in the area to implement some major aspects of this type of plan.
June 17, 201410 yr Author The east side of 105th is intended to be a clean slate for office/medical/research development. But the west side is intended to be a clean slate for a new mixed-income neighborhood. The reason why I like it is these are substantial development sites and with residential and employment uses involved, it means a good mix of potential ridership for the 105th station. So it's not just all one kind of traffic at one direction at the same time every day. A high-ridership station is where people use it more than just to get to/from work, but to/from go shopping, go to/from eating/drinking out, go to/from school, etc. etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 201410 yr ^I guess what I'm asking is who intends these to be clean slates, and are they really "intending" (i.e., lining up resources behind it) or just envisioning. If this is just a long term vision of the Fairfax CDC, I'm not going to worry much about what the picture shows. If the Clinic is actively buying land East of 105th, or if the county land bank or city already own huge chunks (which is possible), it's a little more immediate. Either way, I'm sure these are just conceptual doodles and I should just chill. I definitely agree that planning for the mix of uses in the area is solid.
June 17, 201410 yr ^So let me understand again, Quincy will be closed to car traffic so you will no longer be able to connect between the 2 streets (E.105/OC and Quincy)? But there will be a ped bridge where the current Quincy is connecting to the existing RTA Rapid headhouse ... kinda like what was done on the West Side at W. 65 where the old Madison Ave. bridge was replaced with a ped-only bridge? Is this correct?
June 17, 201410 yr ^So let me understand again, Quincy will be closed to car traffic so you will no longer be able to connect between the 2 streets (E.105/OC and Quincy)? But there will be a ped bridge where the current Quincy is connecting to the existing RTA Rapid headhouse ... kinda like what was done on the West Side at W. 65 where the old Madison Ave. bridge was replaced with a ped-only bridge? Is this correct? I don't understand this either. However, as an infrequent user of this station. Sometime I use it to visit my grand parents as I hate the No. 3 bus. When entering the station you're on Quincy, if a bus is coming, you have to make a mad crazy person dash around the corner to get to the Northbound bus stop. In addition, if you're going south, if you're not at the stop, the bus will blow past. I can't tell you how many buses I've missed because a driver didn't see me. From a passenger point of view the improvements are much needed.
June 17, 201410 yr Author ^I guess what I'm asking is who intends these to be clean slates, and are they really "intending" (i.e., lining up resources behind it) or just envisioning. If this is just a long term vision of the Fairfax CDC, I'm not going to worry much about what the picture shows. If the Clinic is actively buying land East of 105th, or if the county land bank or city already own huge chunks (which is possible), it's a little more immediate. Either way, I'm sure these are just conceptual doodles and I should just chill. I definitely agree that planning for the mix of uses in the area is solid. It's a long-term vision of Fairfax CDC. But I suspect the clean-slate east of East 105th is something the Clinic may have in mind. Call it a hunch. ^So let me understand again, Quincy will be closed to car traffic so you will no longer be able to connect between the 2 streets (E.105/OC and Quincy)? But there will be a ped bridge where the current Quincy is connecting to the existing RTA Rapid headhouse ... kinda like what was done on the West Side at W. 65 where the old Madison Ave. bridge was replaced with a ped-only bridge? Is this correct? No. Quincy over the NS and RTA tracks will remain open to all vehicles. Quincy under the CSX tracks immediately east of East 105th will be closed to vehicles but kept open to bikes, peds and emergency services. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 201410 yr Author Crains has an update on the ThinkBOX project. Case Western Reserve University to break ground on first phase of 'innovation hub' By TIMOTHY MAGAW http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140618/FREE/140619782/case-western-reserve-university-to-break-ground-on-first-phase-of?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 Great to see this investment coming to the newly rebuilt GCRTA UC-Cedar Red Line station (that's the Lincoln Storage building at left to be renovated into the Thinkbox) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 201410 yr Every time I ride the Red Line and approach Superior I look out at all the potential for TOD especially along Hayden Avenue. Also I think that redevelopment of both strip malls along Euclid Avenue into residential with retail at the bottom would create a strong interest in RTA transit especially rail given its speed advantage over the HL. Finally a rehab of the apartments along Euclid that wrap into Superior hill would be amazing, the structures themselves are beautiful and would be a quick sell especially given the proximity to both the HL and Red Line. This all seems far fetched given the financial situation with East Cleveland and developers interest level, but a guy can dream.
June 22, 201410 yr Author Yeah, there's a lot more lower-hanging fruit out there right now along the rail lines. I think once University Circle gets more built out around the existing rail stations (I'm including Little Italy and East 105th in that), then you'll see it spread west and east. Interesting question is what happens to GCRTA's existing bus loop at UC-Cedar. I was touring some out-of-towners around on Friday and they asked that question. GCRTA hasn't sold that property, nor would I expect them to until the UC-Cedar station is finished and the bus station is moved to the north side of Cedar. You may recall there were was a conceptual idea from about 10 years ago for developing the bus loop site with a bus station on the ground floor and a mid-rise condo/apartment building next to it.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 201410 yr Yeah, there's a lot more lower-hanging fruit out there right now along the rail lines. I think once University Circle gets more built out around the existing rail stations (I'm including Little Italy and East 105th in that), then you'll see it spread west and east. Interesting question is what happens to GCRTA's existing bus loop at UC-Cedar. I was touring some out-of-towners around on Friday and they asked that question. GCRTA hasn't sold that property, nor would I expect them to until the UC-Cedar station is finished and the bus station is moved to the north side of Cedar. You may recall there were was a conceptual idea from about 10 years ago for developing the bus loop site with a bus station on the ground floor and a mid-rise condo/apartment building next to it.... Doing something with that bus loop would be fantastic. I've always been disappointed with the location of the UC station as it seems out of the way and to far from the action, it has a feel of being in the middle of the highway. Something to add to TOD or connect the station better with the rest of the area would do wonders. I remember back in high school at John Hay I was apart of the architecture program in my school and we worked with city architects to design a bridge that stretched from the station to the corner of where the School of Arts is. Something like that would help as well, and be much safer to pedestrians. I am not aware of that plan though, I didn't become fully interested in urban planning and development until around my sophomore year in high school, about 5 years ago, that beautiful though!
June 22, 201410 yr Off topic, but how is a bridge going to make residents, students and visitors safe? IMO, bridges and fences say, "this area is unsafe and this is the way between point "A" and "B" as there is nothing else to see in the area, so beware!"
June 22, 201410 yr Author Off topic, but how is a bridge going to make residents, students and visitors safe? IMO, bridges and fences say, "this area is unsafe and this is the way between point "A" and "B" as there is nothing else to see in the area, so beware!" I get what he's saying. The wide, curving streets with heavy, fast-moving traffic in that area isn't exactly pro-pedestrian. It really isolates the UC-Cedar station from areas to the west of Stearns-Stokes. This is one place where I think an overhead walkway would be useful. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 201410 yr Off topic, but how is a bridge going to make residents, students and visitors safe? IMO, bridges and fences say, "this area is unsafe and this is the way between point "A" and "B" as there is nothing else to see in the area, so beware!" I get what he's saying. The wide, curving streets with heavy, fast-moving traffic in that area isn't exactly pro-pedestrian. It really isolates the UC-Cedar station from areas to the west of Stearns-Stokes. This is one place where I think an overhead walkway would be useful. Eeeeeeeh, that would look so Vegas tacky.
June 22, 201410 yr Author Eeeeeeeh, that would look so Vegas tacky. Doesn't have to be. Plenty of European cities have pedestrian crossovers or underpasses lined with shops and/or plazas. I thought the former loop was to become park land. You may be right. I don't remember. I think that would be unfortunate. There already is a park to the east of the tracks -- Ambler Park? We need more ridership generators around transit stations. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 201410 yr I think the current plan is to just return it to nature. Plant grass and some trees. This leaves the ability for development in the future as it wont be an actual park.
June 26, 201410 yr I thought the former loop was to become park land. You may be right. I don't remember. I think that would be unfortunate. There already is a park to the east of the tracks -- Ambler Park? We need more ridership generators around transit stations. There is a creek under that land draining from the Shaker Lakes and buried as it passes through Ambler Park, under the tracks and then under the west-bound MLK to Euclid before re-emerging and flowing into the MLK parkway. There were plans to "daylight" some of that creek, although the funds for that seem highly unlikely. At any rate, building structures above a creek would require careful engineering, meaning that the banks probably would not be so eager to finance the project. Yes, we need more activity around the stations. But that is going to be difficult in this area.
June 27, 201410 yr Author There is a creek under that land draining from the Shaker Lakes and buried as it passes through Ambler Park, under the tracks and then under the west-bound MLK to Euclid before re-emerging and flowing into the MLK parkway. There were plans to "daylight" some of that creek, although the funds for that seem highly unlikely. At any rate, building structures above a creek would require careful engineering, meaning that the banks probably would not be so eager to finance the project. Yes, we need more activity around the stations. But that is going to be difficult in this area. Doan Creek. Daylighting it here might be a pretty water feature as part of a development. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 201410 yr There is a creek under that land draining from the Shaker Lakes and buried as it passes through Ambler Park, under the tracks and then under the west-bound MLK to Euclid before re-emerging and flowing into the MLK parkway. There were plans to "daylight" some of that creek, although the funds for that seem highly unlikely. At any rate, building structures above a creek would require careful engineering, meaning that the banks probably would not be so eager to finance the project. Yes, we need more activity around the stations. But that is going to be difficult in this area. Looking at a map, I can kind of picture where Doan Creek runs underground. It appears the proposed apartment tower on the current Children's Museum space seems to be close to the underground waterway. Does anyone know if this is going to have an effect on the engineering of this project?
June 27, 201410 yr There is a creek under that land draining from the Shaker Lakes and buried as it passes through Ambler Park, under the tracks and then under the west-bound MLK to Euclid before re-emerging and flowing into the MLK parkway. There were plans to "daylight" some of that creek, although the funds for that seem highly unlikely. At any rate, building structures above a creek would require careful engineering, meaning that the banks probably would not be so eager to finance the project. Yes, we need more activity around the stations. But that is going to be difficult in this area. Doan Creek. Daylighting it here might be a pretty water feature as part of a development. Daylighting and removing the cool stonework that makes up the stream bank would improve the water quality exponentially. Critics like the stonework, and argue that re-naturalizing the stream bank would take up too much valuable space.
June 27, 201410 yr Off topic, but how is a bridge going to make residents, students and visitors safe? IMO, bridges and fences say, "this area is unsafe and this is the way between point "A" and "B" as there is nothing else to see in the area, so beware!" I get what he's saying. The wide, curving streets with heavy, fast-moving traffic in that area isn't exactly pro-pedestrian. It really isolates the UC-Cedar station from areas to the west of Stearns-Stokes. This is one place where I think an overhead walkway would be useful. Eeeeeeeh, that would look so Vegas tacky. I agree with an overhead walk at this location. Sometimes you have to give a little on ascetics to achieve a much more important goal. The Stearns-Stokes blvd area is a potential growth area, including the proposed luxury high-rise apt building on the current Children's Museum site. Besides let's face it, that particular corner, with its bland office buildings (including the County Morgue), that backside of Case's campus, isn't all that beautiful to begin with. Sometimes we're too quick to react to progress based on past precedent that isn't necessarily applicable (ie, the Horseshoe walkway that IS a visual impairment to the historic Higbee's building as opposed to one over a nondescript corner like MLK/Cedar Hill)... I'm often guilty of it myself... A reasonably attractive overhead walkway that would enhance TOD possibilities for the area trumps the minimal aesthetic concerns
June 27, 201410 yr Author Doan Brook shouldn't be under that site if they followed the natural path at all. You're right! It's not. This view is from the railroad bridge over Cedar, looking southerly at the streetcar loop where the GCRTA bus loop is today. Doan Brook is in the foreground.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 201410 yr Doan Brook shouldn't be under that site if they followed the natural path at all. You're right! It's not. This view is from the railroad bridge over Cedar, looking southerly at the streetcar loop where the GCRTA bus loop is today. Doan Brook is in the foreground.... I've never seen that picture before. I can't picture that on a map. Help me visualize this on Google Maps, obi wan.....er KJP
June 27, 201410 yr Author I've never seen that picture before. I can't picture that on a map. Help me visualize this on Google Maps, obi wan.....er KJP You should learn to follow the ways of The Force.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 201410 yr I think it's essentially this view, but taken from 15 feet higher: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.499904,-81.60603,3a,75y,248.23h,93.98t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seIa1XWq4tLQ5xwzywJZGTw!2e0 EDIT: never mind, KJP did it faster and better.
Create an account or sign in to comment