April 20, 20205 yr Author Do you have a link @acd to the source material? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 20, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, KJP said: Do you have a link @acd to the source material? http://www.cityofbrookpark.com/city-council/ The 3/3 and 2/18 approved council minutes PDF’s are the ones I quoted.
April 24, 20205 yr a great article about rivian and other startups that may come into play: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/manufacturing/rivian-other-electric-vehicle-startups-grapple-huge-cash-demands
April 25, 20205 yr Hmm...200 acres✓next to a major airport✓in a city filled with auto workers✓Someone wake up Frank J. and tell him to call the guv'nr...sounds like a perfect fit. Tesla is looking for a factory location. https://electrek-co.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/electrek.co/2020/04/25/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-gigafactory-halfway-east-coast/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2020%2F04%2F25%2Felon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-gigafactory-halfway-east-coast%2F
April 25, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, freethink said: Hmm...200 acres✓next to a major airport✓in a city filled with auto workers✓Someone wake up Frank J. and tell him to call the guv'nr...sounds like a perfect fit. Tesla is looking for a factory location. https://electrek-co.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/electrek.co/2020/04/25/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-gigafactory-halfway-east-coast/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2020%2F04%2F25%2Felon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-gigafactory-halfway-east-coast%2F SpaceX is putting up its first manned launch in late May, so I wouldn't expect any major Tesla decisions before then.
April 25, 20205 yr On 4/20/2020 at 11:50 AM, acd said: http://www.cityofbrookpark.com/city-council/ The 3/3 and 2/18 approved council minutes PDF’s are the ones I quoted. The "lack of financing" problem makes me think the hot prospect was never Rivian, as logical as that company seemed. Rivian has plenty of money. Edited April 25, 20205 yr by Dougal Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 12, 20205 yr now is the time for somebody to make a pitch for ford to sell off this property to musk: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32424876/elon-musk-move-tesla-from-california/
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: now is the time for somebody to make a pitch for ford to sell off this property to musk: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32424876/elon-musk-move-tesla-from-california/ I hope they're trying, but I so seriously doubt this would happen. The existing facilities are not big enough. Tesla Freemont is 5.3 million square feet. Walton Hills and the engine plant combined are almost 2 million square feet short of that. I also strongly suspect Tesla wants to stay in the southwest, otherwise they're shipping their batteries halfway across the country to make cars.
May 12, 20205 yr Would Ford even sell to a competitor anyways? I thought that was one of the issues with the properties languishing.
May 24, 20205 yr Author SUNDAY, MAY 24, 2020 New buyer(s) emerge for two Cleveland-area Ford plants After one failed bid to acquire Ford's Brook Park and Walton Hills plants, there is good news pointing to the eventual, productive re-use of both mammoth factories. Ford Motor Co. last week entered the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Voluntary Action Program (VAP) for its Brook Park Engine Plant No. 2 that closed nearly 20 years ago, according to a source who was not authorized to speak publicly about the development. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/05/new-buyers-emerge-for-two-cleveland.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 4, 20214 yr I now subscribe to Crains just to keep up with the actually-awesome Michelle Jarboe. -🧠✒️📰 The worst media enterprise in town was lucky to have her and were fools to lose her. Her incisive & thorough brand of journalism is worth paying for. Synopsis: DiGeronimo/Weston/Sannell are expected to close on Brook Park Ford around May 15 - with an eye towards manufacturing on a completely re-imagined site. 'Some built elements to remain. Crains Article: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/makeovers-two-former-ford-plants-could-be-500-million-plus-undertaking Scannell https://www.scannellproperties.com/ Edited April 5, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy
April 4, 20214 yr This is a big deal. The developers stated in the article that they are going to make renovations before finding a tenant and that they aren't going to wait for someone to come to them. They are going to be very proactive.
April 5, 20214 yr I'm surprised the city isn't interested in the property for future airport expansion.
April 5, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: I'm surprised the city isn't interested in the property for future airport expansion. I can't imagine why expansion would be necessary for an airport that is overbuilt for the passenger volume it currently handles (pre-pandemic). More so, I can't envision an uncomplicated expansion scenario that would require developing on the east side of SR 237, the Red Line and the Norfolk Southern mainline. While it's good to see these old car manufacturing plants redeveloped, we missed out on a revolutionary use of these plants. I'm still trying to find out what it was...perhaps Rivian. But I don't really know yet. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 5, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: While it's good to see these old car manufacturing plants redeveloped, we missed out on a revolutionary use of these plants. I'm still trying to find out what it was...perhaps Rivian. But I don't really know yet. I've been wondering that as well. I figured somebody would have leaked it by now. It's not just "who" but also why they passed on the deal. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 5, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, KJP said: I can't imagine why expansion would be necessary for an airport that is overbuilt for the passenger volume it currently handles (pre-pandemic). More so, I can't envision an uncomplicated expansion scenario that would require developing on the east side of SR 237, the Red Line and the Norfolk Southern mainline. Very true--however with a landlocked airport in the middle of a urban area you never know. It always helps to have land in proximity. Global warming could shift prevailing winds, making a longer Runway 10/28 more attractive. Or a multimodal Amtrak/Red Line/Rental Car facility could become fashionable...
April 7, 20214 yr On 4/5/2021 at 12:56 AM, Dougal said: I've been wondering that as well. I figured somebody would have leaked it by now. It's not just "who" but also why they passed on the deal. my brookpark ford people figure it was rivian, but who knows?
April 7, 20214 yr On 4/4/2021 at 9:56 PM, KJP said: I can't imagine why expansion would be necessary for an airport that is overbuilt for the passenger volume it currently handles (pre-pandemic). More so, I can't envision an uncomplicated expansion scenario that would require developing on the east side of SR 237, the Red Line and the Norfolk Southern mainline. While it's good to see these old car manufacturing plants redeveloped, we missed out on a revolutionary use of these plants. I'm still trying to find out what it was...perhaps Rivian. But I don't really know yet. I can actually think of quite a few instances of airports I’ve been to with taxiway bridges going over highways. Singapore, Memphis, Chicago come to mind. I had actually heard a rumor a couple years ago about that site being considered for a new terminal. It’s definitely close enough to the runways. And a Red Line station could easily be built over the tracks. Edited April 7, 20214 yr by marty15
April 7, 20214 yr Author All true, but why do it? Is it to relieve congestion at an airport that's bursting at the seams? Or is there a serious safety issue with the current design of the airport? Or is the expansion to accommodate an airline that's promising to put a hub at CLE? The feds won't fund such a massive, billion-dollar-plus project without any of these conditions being present. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 7, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: All true, but why do it? Is it to relieve congestion at an airport that's bursting at the seams? Or is there a serious safety issue with the current design of the airport? Or is the expansion to accommodate an airline that's promising to put a hub at CLE? The feds won't fund such a massive, billion-dollar-plus project without any of these conditions being present. Looking forward, the airport could look to acquire that property for potential future expansion. Acquire the property, clean it up, develop a plan (another one!), and wait. Build the new facilities the airport needs now with the thought they may some day be incorporated into a larger facility. I agree it makes no sense to build out something like a complete new terminal on the Ford site and take on the expense of building all the infrastructure to stretch the airport over the freeway... today. But, in the future it may make sense and preparing for that is not a bad idea.
April 8, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said: I agree it makes no sense to build out something like a complete new terminal on the Ford site and take on the expense of building all the infrastructure to stretch the airport over the freeway... today. But, in the future it may make sense and preparing for that is not a bad idea. If all you had to do was stretch over a freeway, that would be easy (or at least easier). But you are also stretching out over a very high volume rail line with what looks like four or five tracks.
April 8, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, bjk said: If all you had to do was stretch over a freeway, that would be easy (or at least easier). But you are also stretching out over a very high volume rail line with what looks like four or five tracks. You would have to lower the rail line which means building 7,000-foot-long, 0.5-percent gradient track ramps in three directions including at the west end of Rockport Yard ramping downward toward the busy mainline (railroad would never allow that) to drop down about 30-35 feet to provide enough overhead clearance for double-stack and tri-level auto-rack freight trains and runway pavement thicknesses of several feet. Give it up guys. Not gonna happen. It would be easier to fill in the Rocky River valley. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 8, 20214 yr If we ever did need expansion, wouldn't we simply tear down the IX and use that land? I agree with KJP that we don't need expansion, we need upgrades!
April 8, 20214 yr Of the airport terminal layouts considered during the Hopkins master plan process, only one included anything on the other side of the tracks (and it wasn't considered for future evaluation). The current preferred terminal design, and the entire master plan, does not include anything with the Ford properties. The rebuilding of the main terminal, roadways and landside operations will cost hundreds of millions of dollars and likely won't be completed for 10 to 20 years. Hopkins already has a debt of over $600 million from the last expansion. I understand a concern over the airports future ability to expand, but if that happens, it likely wouldn't be until years after the current proposals being planned are built. I don't think the land should sit empty for 25 years, waiting on a theoretical airport expansion that may not be necessary. Also if the airport needed to expand its footprint one day, an easier expansion might be to the north. There is over 150 acers of land already owned by the city of Cleveland north of I-480. If you include the developed parcels of the Cleveland Business Park, Sysco foods and a theoretical capping or bridging of I-480, its more than double the size of the Brook Park engine plant land (and no railways). The one aspect of the Hopkins new master plan that could affect the Ford properties is the proposed change in local roadway configuration. For further discussion about the current Hopkins expansion plans / master plan process not affecting the Ford Plant Redevelopment:
May 18, 20214 yr I live in Brook Park. Got a newsletter from the mayor a couple of weeks ago, a blurb about major purchase about to be made soon. Citing NDA, of course, he can't divulge much but said closing is all but a formality at this point and promises to be a "game changer" for the city. Did some Googling and best I could find was the attached blurb from Crain's (I don't have a subscription to it, so, no idea what the body says). Edited May 18, 20214 yr by gking11 forgot image link
May 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, gking11 said: I live in Brook Park. Got a newsletter from the mayor a couple of weeks ago, a blurb about major purchase about to be made soon. Citing NDA, of course, he can't divulge much but said closing is all but a formality at this point and promises to be a "game changer" for the city. Did some Googling and best I could find was the attached blurb from Crain's (I don't have a subscription to it, so, no idea what the body says). Up in the thread there is a discussion about this article along with an article by @KJP that you can read for free!
May 18, 20214 yr Author It's not going to be the regional economic game-changer that appeared possible a year or more ago. The redevelopment will be a game-changer for Brook Park, turning a tax-base burden into a tax-base contributor for the community. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 19, 20214 yr yeah $500M doesnt sound like regional change, but good for brookpark and for putting it to use.
May 19, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, mrnyc said: yeah $500M doesnt sound like regional change, but good for brookpark and for putting it to use. $500m is just for the redevelopment if I'm reading that correctly. That means purchase, remediation and new buildings on the properties. Brook Park alone is 195 acres and built engines since before the EPA was what it is, so you're looking probably $20m+ in remediation work there alone. Just for reference 489 acres of the former Bethlehem Steel plant in Buffalo is estimated at $35m.
July 4, 20213 yr For what it’s worth, got this in the mail yesterday…wonder who this “major corporation” is. https://imgur.com/a/xBogbJ3
July 5, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, skiwest said: Moen? Why? Are they moving from North Olmsted? I’d think they’d announce something like that. Location is prime for some sort of distribution center with air, rail, and highways right there, but that’s my 2 cents.
July 5, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, gking11 said: Why? Are they moving from North Olmsted? I’d think they’d announce something like that. It has been reported that they need additional space due to growth and may be looking for a new building. Edited July 5, 20213 yr by skiwest
July 5, 20213 yr Author 11 hours ago, skiwest said: It has been reported that they need additional space due to growth and may be looking for a new building. It's not Moen. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 6, 20213 yr Author 2 hours ago, B767PILOT said: Do you have an inkling as to who? Possibly. Checking with an old friend of mine from my Sun Newspapers days... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 11, 20213 yr Author SUNDAY, JULY 11, 2021 Amazon to be first tenant at Brook Park's ex-Ford site Northeast Ohio's transition away from an economy of heavy industries continues as the first tenant is revealed for the former Ford Motor Co. engine and casting plants in the Cleveland suburb of Brook Park. That tenant, according to two sources familiar with the redevelopment, is e-commerce giant Amazon. The 210-acre Ford Motor Brook Park Target Industrial-Advanced Manufacturing Campus, as the city calls it, will involve a multi-phase redevelopment of the 1.7-million-square-foot Ford Engine Plant No. 2 and its neighboring Cleveland Casting Plant site. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/amazon-to-be-first-tenant-at-brook.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 11, 20213 yr Disappointing for sure but makes sense on Amazon’s part. Unfortunately the great union jobs that were lost are being replaced by $15-$18/hr jobs that one cannot live off of. Glass half full - atleast it is something and hopefully better jobs are to come! Edited July 11, 20213 yr by cle_guy90
July 11, 20213 yr 8 hours ago, cle_guy90 said: Disappointing for sure but makes sense on Amazon’s part. Unfortunately the great union jobs that were lost are being replaced by $15-$18/hr jobs that one cannot live off of. Glass half full - atleast it is something and hopefully better jobs are to come! Definitely disappointing, another Amazon facility nit their HQ. Probably up for debate, but I think you can start to live off $18 an hour. Not lavishly of course, but that is much better than $7 or $8 an hour. Also not sure about working conditions with AMZ or if they give you a full 40 hours a week.
July 11, 20213 yr Thanks for the update @KJP I look forward to see what other companies they get in there besides Amazon. Also, pretty sure that is/was engine plant 2 along Snow Rd.
July 11, 20213 yr Author 4 minutes ago, viscomi said: Thanks for the update @KJP I look forward to see what other companies they get in there besides Amazon. Also, pretty sure that is/was engine plant 2 along Snow Rd. Thanks. Fixed. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 11, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, viscomi said: Thanks for the update @KJP I look forward to see what other companies they get in there besides Amazon. Also, pretty sure that is/was engine plant 2 along Snow Rd. I wonder what this means for air freight traffic at Hopkins. I remember 10 or so years ago, Lufthansa looked at CLE for that purpose but was told there was no room
July 11, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, B767PILOT said: I wonder what this means for air freight traffic at Hopkins. It would probably mean a lot more if there were a taxiway onto the ex-Ford property; but practically speaking that is not feasible. However, a dedicated bridge or tunnel for trucking or yellow gear might work. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 11, 20213 yr Author 5 hours ago, Dougal said: It would probably mean a lot more if there were a taxiway onto the ex-Ford property; but practically speaking that is not feasible. However, a dedicated bridge or tunnel for trucking or yellow gear might work. Or perhaps a conveyor system? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 11, 20213 yr Don’t get me wrong - this is positive news. But Is this more than just another distribution center? We’ll take the jobs of course but I’d hardly consider this “transformational for the region” as I believe the local mayor said in the newsletter.
July 12, 20213 yr 8 hours ago, B767PILOT said: I wonder what this means for air freight traffic at Hopkins. I remember 10 or so years ago, Lufthansa looked at CLE for that purpose but was told there was no room How about using the IX Center?
July 12, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, OldEnough said: Don’t get me wrong - this is positive news. But Is this more than just another distribution center? We’ll take the jobs of course but I’d hardly consider this “transformational for the region” as I believe the local mayor said in the newsletter. Agree. It’s transformational for the city of Brook Park, sure, but hardly the region. Have to wait and see who the other tenants are, but as for Amazon, I think it’s just another warehouse/distribution center. Hell of a strategic location, though, next to two major interstates and rail. As for air, I don’t see an economically viable way to bridge that location to the airport. You’d be talking about an absolutely massive and disruptive project. That said, got off the highway earlier today overlooking the old Ford plant. Demo already began.
July 12, 20213 yr Mayors of cities that lose their largest employer have to say ridiculous things like that. See Lakewood. Upon losing 1000 of the best paying jobs in the city and a full functioning hospital, Mayor Summers proclaimed; “Lakewood is going to be the healthiest city in the United States”. They’re all sleaze.
July 12, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Or perhaps a conveyor system? High maintenance and downtime, but it could work, too. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
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