February 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: LP IV will go back to the DTC this month: It has a very urban feel to it.
February 20, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, amped91 said: LP IV will go back to the DTC this month: Is that surface parking that you can see at the west end of the building, first picture, permanent or is that a spot for a future phase?
February 20, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Is that surface parking that you can see at the west end of the building, first picture, permanent or is that a spot for a future phase? If I remember correctly, it’s owned by the funeral home and they were unwilling to sell.
February 20, 20241 yr Apartments planned for Columbus' Discovery District tweaked, adding units and removing parking Pizzuti Cos. has submitted new plans for a proposed fourth phase of Library Park. The developer wants to expand its downtown development near Topiary Park and the downtown branch of the Columbus Metropolitan Library by demolishing a 1930s two-story apartment building on South 9th Street and constructing a new seven-story, 160,000-square-foot building in its place. Pizzuti Cos. secured approval for a different design for this phase from the Downtown Commission in May. That version would have included 120 apartments and a three-floor parking garage with 106 spaces. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/02/20/pizzuti-downtown-columbus-apartments.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 20, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, amped91 said: If I remember correctly, it’s owned by the funeral home and they were unwilling to sell. Hopefully the city actually starts charging businesses for having parking lots and they decide to sell eventually.
February 20, 20241 yr In defense of the funeral home parking lot - I recently took by elderly in-laws to a funeral there - the parking was necessary as they cannot walk that far anymore. They also use it for staging of funeral processions. I do agree that pay lots should be taxed in a way that encourages development.
February 20, 20241 yr It takes the right developer. There's a way where both the funeral home and developer could come out happy with some level of structured parking for the funeral home and residences above. And then you'd also have covered parking during services to protect vehicles and patrons in inclement weather. There's a way, but it has to be the right partnership. And this is the case with alot of properties. Partnerships are hard.
February 20, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Pablo said: In defense of the funeral home parking lot - I recently took by elderly in-laws to a funeral there - the parking was necessary as they cannot walk that far anymore. They also use it for staging of funeral processions. I do agree that pay lots should be taxed in a way that encourages development. I guess that is true. I feel they could work out something with a developer to have spaces reserved for funerals, but who knows. Edited February 20, 20241 yr by VintageLife
February 21, 20241 yr Agree with the posters above. And I'd prefer a separate development on the parking lot anyway, rather than one large building that spans both. We need less block-long monoliths (ala Highpoint, Nicholas) and more variety downtown. If and when the funeral home decides it makes sense to develop the lot, we'll now get a better streetscape in the end Edited February 21, 20241 yr by NW24HX
February 21, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Apartments planned for Columbus' Discovery District tweaked, adding units and removing parking Pizzuti Cos. has submitted new plans for a proposed fourth phase of Library Park. The developer wants to expand its downtown development near Topiary Park and the downtown branch of the Columbus Metropolitan Library by demolishing a 1930s two-story apartment building on South 9th Street and constructing a new seven-story, 160,000-square-foot building in its place. Pizzuti Cos. secured approval for a different design for this phase from the Downtown Commission in May. That version would have included 120 apartments and a three-floor parking garage with 106 spaces. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/02/20/pizzuti-downtown-columbus-apartments.html "More units less parking" is like an urbanists wet dream project update lol.
February 21, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, NW24HX said: Agree with the posters above. And I'd prefer a separate development on the parking lot anyway, rather than one large building that spans both. We need less block-long monoliths (ala Highpoint, Nicholas) and more variety downtown. If and when the funeral home decides it makes sense to develop the lot, we'll now get a better streetscape in the end I agree whole heartedly. I've been trying to articulate the same idea and explain why so many people hate 5 over 1 buildings. I think this illustration from Strong Towns sums it up nicely.
February 22, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, Pablo said: The funeral home apartments could be named "The Crematorium" If one prefers a more subtle nod, perhaps 'The Ashbury'
February 28, 20241 yr New Plan Calls for More Units, Less Parking in Downtown Apartment Project The Downtown Commission this morning approved changes to the fourth phase of Pizzuti Companies’ Library Park development. The new plan calls for a building that is the same height and overall size as the one previously approved, but that contains more apartments and fewer internal parking spaces. Last May, the commission approved a seven-story, 120-unit building for the northwest corner of Oak and South Ninth Streets (they also approved the demolition of the existing 1930s-era apartment complex on the site). The building contained a three-story, 106-space parking garage. The new plan calls for two floors of parking to be removed, leaving the building with just 30 spaces in a first-floor garage. That frees up space for five new first-floor walkup units and 24 new apartments on the second floor. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/02/27/pizzuti-apartments-library-park-downtown-approval.html & https://columbusunderground.com/new-plan-calls-for-more-units-less-parking-for-downtown-apartment-project-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 4, 20241 yr Yikes! I guess the only positive is it will be affordable units. Columbus State proposes $47M apartment project for downtown Columbus Columbus State Community College’s real estate arm plans to develop 160 apartments in a $47 million project next to the downtown campus. Columbus State Community Partners will work with affordable housing developer Woda Cooper Cos. on the apartments. Of the 160 units, 20 will be reserved exclusively for Columbus State students. Apartments will be priced for those making less than 80% of the area median income. Projected rents will range from $365 to $995 for a one-bedroom unit, $410 to $1,175 for a two-bedroom unit, and $440 to $1,295 for a three-bedroom unit, depending on income qualifications. The project would include two, 70-unit buildings as well as one, 20-unit building dedicated for students only, McKay said. Edited March 4, 20241 yr by VintageLife
March 4, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, amped91 said: I guess it matches the existing architecture? 😅 What the hell is that West elevation?! Why is it tucked into blank walls hahah, is that side at least hidden from view? Edited March 4, 20241 yr by VintageLife
March 4, 20241 yr Putting the design (or lack thereof) aside for a moment, I'm very confused by the selection of elevations they're showing. I don't understand the shape of the proposed building or why they're seemingly only sharing the less-prominent facades, with two of the three being internal to the site. If this is the entire east half of the block from Spring to Long along Cleveland Ave, the east facade and the NE/SE corners are going to be the most visible. There doesn't appear to be any special attention paid to the NE corner in the north elevation shared in the article. Really hoping this is basically a diagram of the building program and not an indication of the architectural approach, but why share it if that's the case? Yikes.
March 4, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said: Putting the design (or lack thereof) aside for a moment, I'm very confused by the selection of elevations they're showing. I don't understand the shape of the proposed building or why they're seemingly only sharing the less-prominent facades, with two of the three being internal to the site. If this is the entire east half of the block from Spring to Long along Cleveland Ave, the east facade and the NE/SE corners are going to be the most visible. There doesn't appear to be any special attention paid to the NE corner in the north elevation shared in the article. Really hoping this is basically a diagram of the building program and not an indication of the architectural approach, but why share it if that's the case? Yikes. Given how much crap these commissions give developers, I hope this project gets dragged through that too. It looks like a Hilton - not characteristic at all of the WD. It needs red brick and a more appropriate massing (i.e. larger windows, more uniformity, large glass features as an offset). There also needs to be a plan for street activation, as there is not much happening at that level in this area.
March 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, columbus17 said: Given how much crap these commissions give developers, I hope this project gets dragged through that too. It looks like a Hilton - not characteristic at all of the WD. It needs red brick and a more appropriate massing (i.e. larger windows, more uniformity, large glass features as an offset). There also needs to be a plan for street activation, as there is not much happening at that level in this area. Just found the location. This project needs shot down completely. That's prime real estate on that corner - to just put a residential building there would be a huge mistake. They need to add a commercial component to it and the architecture needs some interest and thought.
March 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Yikes! I guess the only positive is it will be affordable units. Columbus State proposes $47M apartment project for downtown Columbus Columbus State Community College’s real estate arm plans to develop 160 apartments in a $47 million project next to the downtown campus. Columbus State Community Partners will work with affordable housing developer Woda Cooper Cos. on the apartments. Of the 160 units, 20 will be reserved exclusively for Columbus State students. Apartments will be priced for those making less than 80% of the area median income. Projected rents will range from $365 to $995 for a one-bedroom unit, $410 to $1,175 for a two-bedroom unit, and $440 to $1,295 for a three-bedroom unit, depending on income qualifications. The project would include two, 70-unit buildings as well as one, 20-unit building dedicated for students only, McKay said. Another gray box? Looks done in Microsoft Paint. And please don't tear down 161 Cleveland, it's a wonderful Queen Anne-style house with a prominent history.
March 4, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, M said: Another gray box? Looks done in Microsoft Paint. And please don't tear down 161 Cleveland, it's a wonderful Queen Anne-style house with a prominent history. This project belongs in the suburbs. It's even worse if its supposed to take up the entire block from Spring to Long.
March 4, 20241 yr I'm going to write the commission and say it overwhelms the Trinity Episcopal Church and that should get them to nix it.
March 4, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, columbus17 said: It looks like a Hilton But is that really the best comparison when our latest Hilton looked like this? It looks like one of those Public Storage office buildings.
March 4, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said: But is that really the best comparison when our latest Hilton looked like this? It looks like one of those Public Storage office buildings. Yes! It's horrible on every account.
March 4, 20241 yr Almost seven years later Brad DeHays is finally done with the Standard building at 4th and Long. Looking at the interior photos it'd be hard for me to justify $1,500 for a one bedroom after seeing what $1,585 gets you at the Madison. Interior photos here: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/03/04/apartments-downtown-now-leasing.html Edited March 4, 20241 yr by aderwent
March 4, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, aderwent said: Almost seven years later Brad DeHays is finally done with the Standard building at 4th and Long. Looking at the interior photos it'd be hard for me to justify $1,500 for a one bedroom after seeing what $1,585 gets you at the Madison. Interior photos here: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/03/04/apartments-downtown-now-leasing.html He has absolutely no idea how to price apartments. The micro apartments he has above Hadley’s downtown are super overpriced.
March 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said: The exterior looks a lot better though! I'll give them that. Yes, he does great work to almost all of his buildings, but beyond that is 100% clueless what to do after. He is even worse at managing restaurant spaces and should sell that portion of his business off.
March 5, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, PrestoKinetic said: The exterior looks a lot better though! I'll give them that. I actually am not thrilled with it - unlike Madison they didn't make any effort to restore the original masonry. It's still in rough shape - especially at the top.
March 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: I actually am not thrilled with it - unlike Madison they didn't make any effort to restore the original masonry. It's still in rough shape - especially at the top. They did months of work to restore the first two floors' masonry facade and remove whatever coating had been on it previously - I assume that portion is as good as it can get, given its state. But i agree that the top of the building could have been treated better beyond just painting over what was there. That said, though I'm not in love with the final product, I much prefer it to what was there prior.
March 5, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said: They did months of work to restore the first two floors' masonry facade and remove whatever coating had been on it previously - I assume that portion is as good as it can get, given its state. But i agree that the top of the building could have been treated better beyond just painting over what was there. That said, though I'm not in love with the final product, I much prefer it to what was there prior. It's better, yes, just looks unfinished. The bottom limestone needed some more work too. What really upsets me is how they weren't forced to redo the sidewalks/street lamps/trees per Columbus street guidelines. That corner is hideous and could have used it.
March 5, 20241 yr Housing Planned for Key Corner Across From Columbus State Campus Columbus State Community College and Woda Cooper Companies announced a plan yesterday to build a 160-unit apartment complex at the corner of Cleveland Avenue and East Long Street. Twenty of the apartments would be reserved for Columbus State students. The new development, to be called Innovation Pointe, will sit at the northwest corner of the intersection and will require the demolition of several buildings. The project is being spearheaded by Columbus State Community Partners, a nonprofit organization affiliated with the college that was created several years ago to lead development efforts. “This innovative development will address a key impediment to student success – housing insecurity – while bringing affordable rents within reach of lower-wage workers to a highly desirable downtown location,” said Zachary Woodruff, the college’s chief real estate development officer, in a statement. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/housing-planned-for-key-corner-across-from-columbus-state-campus-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: Housing Planned for Key Corner Across From Columbus State Campus Columbus State Community College and Woda Cooper Companies announced a plan yesterday to build a 160-unit apartment complex at the corner of Cleveland Avenue and East Long Street. Twenty of the apartments would be reserved for Columbus State students. The new development, to be called Innovation Pointe, will sit at the northwest corner of the intersection and will require the demolition of several buildings. The project is being spearheaded by Columbus State Community Partners, a nonprofit organization affiliated with the college that was created several years ago to lead development efforts. “This innovative development will address a key impediment to student success – housing insecurity – while bringing affordable rents within reach of lower-wage workers to a highly desirable downtown location,” said Zachary Woodruff, the college’s chief real estate development officer, in a statement. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/housing-planned-for-key-corner-across-from-columbus-state-campus-bw1/ I really hope this gets shot down, what an absolutely horrible building for that area. I have a really bad feeling the commission will push it through because it is affordable housing. They want the entire block and want to buy the building at long and grant as part of it. It would be a shame for this to be allowed, without major reworking.
March 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: Housing Planned for Key Corner Across From Columbus State Campus Columbus State Community College and Woda Cooper Companies announced a plan yesterday to build a 160-unit apartment complex at the corner of Cleveland Avenue and East Long Street. Twenty of the apartments would be reserved for Columbus State students. The new development, to be called Innovation Pointe, will sit at the northwest corner of the intersection and will require the demolition of several buildings. The project is being spearheaded by Columbus State Community Partners, a nonprofit organization affiliated with the college that was created several years ago to lead development efforts. “This innovative development will address a key impediment to student success – housing insecurity – while bringing affordable rents within reach of lower-wage workers to a highly desirable downtown location,” said Zachary Woodruff, the college’s chief real estate development officer, in a statement. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/housing-planned-for-key-corner-across-from-columbus-state-campus-bw1/ This is garbage.
March 6, 20241 yr Come on now... someone finally tries to build actual affordable rental units in an urban part of the city and we call it "garbage". Low income affordable rental developments are always going to look like a Hampton Inn. Edited March 6, 20241 yr by TIm
March 6, 20241 yr They shouldn't though. That's part of the stigma and cheap materials increase maintenance costs or lead to greater overall appearance degradation over time. Affordable housing shouldn't be so easily spotted. The more it blends in aestetically, the more it contributes to a healthy community. By accepting or advocating for distinctly different exterior appearance, it contributes to overall perceptions of communities and unconscious biases from things like other builders and people renting etc. The stigma of affordable housing and more historically misidentified as 'section 8' housing is still present. It's important that we promote greater integration of affordable housing in our communities, even when it comes down to design.
March 6, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: Come on now... someone finally tries to build actual affordable rental units in an urban part of the city and we call it "garbage". Low income affordable rental developments are always going to look like a Hampton Inn. No one is mad about it being affordable housing, people are mad that they want to take an entire city block for only 120 units and absolutely zero ground floor interaction. There is no reason that they can’t include ground floor retail space.
March 6, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: Come on now... someone finally tries to build actual affordable rental units in an urban part of the city and we call it "garbage". Low income affordable rental developments are always going to look like a Hampton Inn. Then don't put them on prime real estate. Also, maintenance is going to be a nightmare and its going to be known as the block eyesore. Give the people some dignity that are living there and create a respectable building, or build it where it's not on one of the hottest sites in the area.
March 6, 20241 yr I just can't get behind any of this, sorry. "it's prime real estate, there's no ground floor retail". People need homes and we don't have enough! This city is massive, it's just one lot let the people have more affordable housing options. This place is going to give someone an opportunity to go to college, this place will give someone an opportunity to turn their life around. I don't care how it looks or where it is, get the people homes!
March 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, TIm said: I just can't get behind any of this, sorry. "it's prime real estate, there's no ground floor retail". People need homes and we don't have enough! This city is massive, it's just one lot let the people have more affordable housing options. This place is going to give someone an opportunity to go to college, this place will give someone an opportunity to turn their life around. I don't care how it looks or where it is, get the people homes! Fine, don’t add ground floor retail, it should still be higher than 4 stories. This isn’t the suburbs and 6 is the lowest it should be.
March 6, 20241 yr We're starting to see 4 stories become more standard in the suburbs (or in areas that would be suburbs in another city) and not just in the Old Towns.
March 6, 20241 yr Buildings can be 4 stories in cities, there isn't a rule against it. I'm just happy my neighbors is Columbus who might be struggling are going to have more options for affordable housing. Huge portions of the actual city limits are basically suburbs so I have no issue with some not as tall buildings even in the more urban parts of the city. We have the space, it's fine.
March 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TIm said: I just can't get behind any of this, sorry. "it's prime real estate, there's no ground floor retail". People need homes and we don't have enough! This city is massive, it's just one lot let the people have more affordable housing options. This place is going to give someone an opportunity to go to college, this place will give someone an opportunity to turn their life around. I don't care how it looks or where it is, get the people homes! Then stuff it in the suburbs. The land is cheaper there anyways.
March 6, 20241 yr 59 minutes ago, TIm said: Buildings can be 4 stories in cities, there isn't a rule against it. I'm just happy my neighbors is Columbus who might be struggling are going to have more options for affordable housing. Huge portions of the actual city limits are basically suburbs so I have no issue with some not as tall buildings even in the more urban parts of the city. We have the space, it's fine. If this faced an inner alley, great. This faces a MAJOR THOROUGHFARE and is adjacent to two others. Something spectacular, inviting, and useful for ALL should go on this site. Not a sleepy residential building that looks like a cheap hotel. There won't be street activation, there won't be architectural diversity, there's not even an attempt to implement public art or a pocket park to make this have some sort of amenity/landmark. Also, twenty housing units for Columbus State students won't make a dent. Unless this project was 100% for CSCC students (or anywhere over 50%) they can't justify needing this location. On top of that, even if they build it dirt cheap, I highly doubt the finances will work given the rents they wish to charge. It feels like they're trying to "patch" a problem and not fix it. I'd rather see a significant housing plan from CSCC and integration/cooperation with Jobs Ohio and other entities to transition lower income residents into higher paying jobs. Use this as an opportunity for a hand up and not a hand out. While their intentions are good, the execution thus far is not.
March 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Fine, don’t add ground floor retail, it should still be higher than 4 stories. This isn’t the suburbs and 6 is the lowest it should be. And public art and a pocket park. The corner of Spring/Cleveland would be great for a fountain, some dining tables, and a mural with some unique sculptures. Especially being so close to CCAD...
March 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: Then stuff it in the suburbs. The land is cheaper there anyways. The people who need the housing live in the city. They should build it where the people who need it live. How are they going to get to work when there isn't a reliable bus route from Reynoldsburg to where they work downtown? It's really that simple, plus let's not pretend like we all spend so much time on this street corner or anything. This will have 0 impact on you and will be a massive benefit to dozens of people. The people who work at the colleges in facilities, maintenance, custodial etc. all need places to live to. Edited March 6, 20241 yr by TIm
March 6, 20241 yr With how much "urban renewal" took place east of 4th you wonder what land values are like. At some point the surface lots and single story buildings full of car exhausts would get redeveloped. Such a shame that a massive neighborhood was lost.
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